I agree with Kisses
removed produções from tags for be irrelevantKisses wrote:
well you won't be able to get it re-qualified then I'm afraid
Igor Sprite wrote:
this solve the problem with lopkyy in tagsKisses wrote:
but a way to help search for mappers that were involved in said mapsets (at least I'm 98% sure lol)
as kisses said tags is for help search and if you write lopkyy, you will find 5 maps that lopkyy helped meWafu wrote:
What problem does it solve? Giving you a general advice (essentially a mod) doesn't mean what Kisses said.
As I said "Giving you a general advice (essentially a mod) doesn't mean what Kisses said". It's hard to believe that they made something of the 3 things Kisses mentioned, there's no evidence on that.Igor Sprite wrote:
as kisses said tags is for help search and if you write lopkyy, you will find 5 maps that lopkyy helped me and writing igor sprite you will find many others without lopkyy in tags
i don't know if is required put collab when a mapper that helped you making a diff does not wantKisses wrote:
3) were part of a collab
Igor Sprite wrote:
i don't know if is required put collab when a mapper that helped you making a diff does not want
if yes, please show me and i will remove lopkyy from tags
If guest mapper (collab mappers are also guests) doesn't give a consent to put their name in tags, then agreeing with making the collab from their side would make no sense, if RC clearly says they must be credited.Ranking Criteria wrote:
The information of multiple mapset contributors must be provided in the mapset, if there is any guest mapper. This might be in the creator's words, via a storyboard or via naming the guest difficulties appropriately. You only need to provide information of guest mapper and corresponding guest part. Guest mappers must be added to the tags of a mapset. This helps others to know if the map uploader is the main contributor of the mapset and who else contributed to the given mapset.
Wafu wrote:
Igor Sprite wrote:
i don't know if is required put collab when a mapper that helped you making a diff does not want
if yes, please show me and i will remove lopkyy from tagsi will give his correct credit just waitRanking Criteria wrote:
The information of multiple mapset contributors must be provided in the mapset, if there is any guest mapper. This might be in the creator's words, via a storyboard or via naming the guest difficulties appropriately. You only need to provide information of guest mapper and corresponding guest part. Guest mappers must be added to the tags of a mapset. This helps others to know if the map uploader is the main contributor of the mapset and who else contributed to the given mapset.
Also, gave the map a quick glance. Looks relatively okay, could use some improvement, but the only thing I really want to mention is 01:35:950 (308) - in Muzukashii not having a finish here. It's inconsistent with the exact same part, and with other difficulties. fixed
Additionally, the background image doesn't seem related to the song or band in any way. The standards are changing, you can't just copy everything from the older map and hope it's correct. It would be nice if you would find some Silent Siren related image instead. The mp3 could be better too, I don't understand why to go for the lowest quality allowed (if you want help with that without having to change the offset, PM me on forums let's map a eletronic song, ANIME GIRL.jpg. see this map she ins't waking up D: .oh another "nonsense" BG
@Wafu I think the BG has taken from https://osu.ppy.sh/s/122444 and I think it's good to go, no need to fix anything elseWafu wrote:
Additionally, the background image doesn't seem related to the song or band in any way. The standards are changing, you can't just copy everything from the older map and hope it's correct. It would be nice if you would find some Silent Siren related image instead. The mp3 could be better too, I don't understand why to go for the lowest quality allowed (if you want help with that without having to change the offset, PM me on forums)
You've just proven how insensible that is. Other maps that passed qualified section don't allow you to do something. They just didn't check it or their threshold is pretty low. The second map is even a year old. Please, address the issue properly instead of using older maps as an argument.Igor Sprite wrote:
let's map a eletronic song, ANIME GIRL.jpg. see this map she ins't waking up D: .oh another "nonsense" BG
fixedSurono wrote:
wow its time to stop put memes in the serious thing such ranking map, its for offical content for this game right ? lol
1 thing for oni, 01:42:661 - change this sv to 0.90x to avoid 01:42:266 - this note 01:42:661 - blocked in the right screen, yeah just to make it neat the slowdown of sv alteration. yeah just minor
I dont find something wrong with BG, it fits well with the atmosphere of the song and yeah the song just tell about love and https://puu.sh/yO8Bz/409b90208a.png from the mapper told me, well
But it looks fine now. If not, can you raise the concern that you tell Igor?Sinnoh wrote:
bg is fine, tags are not
Sinnoh wrote:
bg is fine, tags are not
If it is moronic to pop a map over an issue that I brought up and is fully sensible, given all the arguments I've given (hence it's not just me thinking it doesn't fit, I'm explaining why it doesn't), then how is it not moronic to just say "it's fine" and bubble it without addressing it? No matter whether it fits or not, the issue was not addressed and it shouldn't have been rebubbled. Everything in the set contributes to mapset's quality, if I think it's not good enough because of any single part, I'm free to pop it.Naotoshi wrote:
Oh please, this is moronic. Will you go and pop every random map with an anime background? A background is nothing more than something to identify the map by and something the mapper thinks fits. Yes obvious this guy is rather lazy, not even bothering to write his own tags. Regardless, popping the map because he uses a background you don't find suitable is ludicrous.
I think I have started this ;w;Igor Sprite wrote:
wtf is happening with my map? ;-;
So, say why don't competent, i see all the text but i just found some vague assumptions and random words, u are sayng that are a problem here, but u don't ever show any example of how mapper can fix that, u just pop and "go find other"Wafu wrote:
Elaborate how the background is fine, using "atmosphere" as "it fits" doesn't seem very competent.
I would say, something with at least a bit of relevance. I'm not at all saying it can't be "an anime girl". It can be any wallpaper of the band, or just a nice photo of them, but it can also be a completely random anime/vn/whatever art that is irrelevant, but has a relevant theme at least (to the title or lyrics).Surono wrote:
I dont know but let other people giving more opinions about this and to determine it. as I thought, so it should be using artist, the album cover, or screenshot of the video clip from this song as bg? whats happening really
Saying that a background is not relevant to the song or the band nor the theme is not "random words and vague assumptions". It's objectively true. Surono's view is rather subjective because "atmosphere" of a song is different for everyone. Artist, lyrics and song is same for everyone, that's why I'm talking about these subjects when explaining the issue. I think that it's not my obligation to list the mapper all the possible backgrounds. If they asked, I'd be willing to help them search for some, but they may have a different taste for the concrete backgrounds. I'm not popping it only because the background is irrelevant, but also because discussion about it was skipped.Ataraxia wrote:
So, say why don't competent, i see all the text but i just found some vague assumptions and random words, u are sayng that are a problem here, but u don't ever show any example of how mapper can fix that, u just pop and "go find other"
If you see the lyrics, how BG u think that fits with the song, any example ?, if u just wanted to "say", u just pop because u want, not because there's a real problem in BG
You cannot use "yes, he helped me since the begin of my ranking process" as a means of justification. Just saying they helped you isn't enough, this basis would allow people to add so many unrelated mappers to their own sets. If they were involved with making so many changes then set sooo much that you deem it as a collab and/or GD then you must follow the other rules that apply, ie adding "Muzu by Loppky/Muzu collab with Loppky" or add "collab muzu" etc. You can't break this formality or it would aid in people trying to break other things as wellSurono wrote:
RebubbledSinnoh wrote:
bg is fine, tags are notidk but up to you guys<Surono> " lopkyy " do you really want it on tags?
<Igor_Sprite> yes
<Igor_Sprite> it's very very important to me
<Surono> did he mapped at least 50% of your map?
<Surono> or just some?
<Surono> if yes, change muzukashii as collab muzukashii and you can keep that name on tags
<Surono> if no, yeah just delete.. or those people will, yeah in the description is enough. on tags zz idk
<Igor_Sprite> yes, he helped me since the begin of my ranking process
<Surono> hmm
<Surono> just muzukashii right?
<Igor_Sprite> but it's right with ranking criteria
<Igor_Sprite> muzukashii and oni
<Surono> "collab" on diffnaming or just standard diffnaming doesnt matter if you already put statment in the descreption.
<Igor_Sprite> but i already fixed according the ranking criteria
<Surono> nice
<Igor_Sprite> mapper name in tags and informations in descripition
Can you just stop. PLEASE!Net0 wrote:
"You should never follow ranked maps to justify errors in qualified or pending maps." Errors should be justified by rules. Errors cannot be justified by an uneven treatmeant of mapsets.
already fixed the metadata and i will keep the lopkyy because he helped me to map some diffsNardoxyribonucleic wrote:
In this case, we should go back to address the cause of disqualification i.e. removal of irrelevant tags and fixing metadata issue. If Lopkyy is just a modder that helped the mapset, it would be better not to include their name in tags.
Stop with what? Are you out of your mind? I'm seriouslly discussing an issue brought up on the background. I'm not memeing or insulting anyone like a certain person does in all my map threads.Kisses wrote:
Can you just stop. PLEASE!Net0 wrote:
"You should never follow ranked maps to justify errors in qualified or pending maps." Errors should be justified by rules. Errors cannot be justified by an uneven treatmeant of mapsets.
Wafu, I believe that you got a bit too heated up into believing that this background is not suitable because of whatever reason. Vetoing it with such a drive against it doesn't seem very logical at this point, even less because the background does fit to the song's mood and atmosphere.Wafu wrote:
Only text bellow is really important
From now on, I would like if this discussion could continue by addressing only the issues brought up. My concern again is:
- Background is not relevant to the band Agree.
- Background is not relevant to the song Disagree. Even though you've said "using "atmosphere" as "it fits" doesn't seem very competent", I couldn't agree less. I think this is a very important aspect of choosing a background, no matter what - because the song is the main actor in a map.
- Background is not relevant to the lyrics or the theme of the song Can't judge at this point.
The "atmosphere" reasoning is imo way too subjective, because that kind of goes against the "image of a skull" example (and yes, kissing a skull would still be more relevant than this, even though the song is probably rather happy). Because if the song gives someone a bit darker feeling than to others, that means it would be suitable. I was talking about relevance that you cannot doubt about and can describe (or that a mapper could also explain other than by saying they feel it).Nardoxyribonucleic wrote:
Well, it is time to step in as the discussion is going nowhere as it seems.
About the current BG choice, I think it somewhat fits the song. Relevance of BGs is in fact a relative concept. As we all know in the common practice, certain degree of freedom is allowed in choosing background images for a map to show some connections with the song, be it the lyrics, theme or overall atmosphere. Unless it goes completely unrelated to the song (in this case, say an image of a skull for example), limiting BG choices for songs that are sung by a band with reality images is just too strict and out of the scope of current mapping context.
In this case, we should go back to address the cause of disqualification i.e. removal of irrelevant tags and fixing metadata issue. If Lopkyy is just a modder that helped the mapset, it would be better not to include their name in tags.
it's my first map to rank i don't know nothing D:Wafu wrote:
Anyway, that's all I'm willing to say about the background. But @Igor Sprite could say a word to it too, I don't feel like I deserve being ignored completely on this one by the mapper themselves.
well, you didn't make that clear at all in the veto post, if you had i'm 90% sure none of this would've happened... poor igorWafu wrote:
@Irreversible, the veto was not only because of the background. The discussion about tags was not finished and my suggestion about the background was entirely ignored. It must had been addressed by the mapper in order to be eligible for a bubble in the first place. I admit I should've stated all the reasons for a veto, I thought it was pretty obvious that the discussion was still happening. My apologies.
thanks, already fixedOkoratu wrote:
Dude wafu wtf - the amount of braincells we waste arguing about this.
something fitting the song's mood is so relative and majority seems to be against making a huge deal about this, i'm more concerned about Surono trying to end any discussion by just nominating the goddamn map right in the middle of it.
Case in point: For most people seems suitable enough, especially since it is original artwork without relation to anything else so here have the bg in a not shit-resolution (yay):
https://puu.sh/yOjzt/e7a6240d6e.jpg
Nifty wrote:
I don't know about the title/artist, but it sounds to me like igor needs to just remove lopkyy from the tags or add him to the diff names.
In the description it says "but didn't changed these name diffs as your request" which is the downfall of language barriers, and I would like igor to try to rephrase this to make some sort of sense.
The way I read it, it sounds like someone told you to not put lopkyy's name in the difficulties he helped map, which is just incorrect, but I didn't find one person in this thread who's told you that. This leads me to assume that lopkyy themselves told you to not put their name on the diffs (perhaps to not take credit or whatever), and that's also wrong and kind of breaking the rules, since you have to put whoever is involved with mapping the diff in the name.
"The information of multiple mapset contributors must be provided in the mapset" "This might be in the creator's words, via a storyboard or via naming the guest difficulties appropriately." "Guest mappers must be added to the tags of a mapset." so... ?Ranking Criteria wrote:
The information of multiple mapset contributors must be provided in the mapset, if there is any guest mapper. This might be in the creator's words, via a storyboard or via naming the guest difficulties appropriately. You only need to provide information of guest mapper and corresponding guest part. Guest mappers must be added to the tags of a mapset. This helps others to know if the map uploader is the main contributor of the mapset and who else contributed to the given mapset.