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This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 25 апреля 2017 г. at 13:46:26

Artist: nachi
Title: bellow
Source: 東方地霊殿 ~ Subterranean Animism.
Tags: Varjharta Snowy Dream Satellite Touhou Project chireiden th11 C.Experiment ALADDIN Syrufit Studio Syrup Comfiture 坂上 なち Sakaue Nachi twinkle*twinkle ラストリモート last remote extra stage ZUN koishi komeiji 古明地こいし
BPM: 132
Filesize: 7195kb
Play Time: 03:53
Difficulties Available:
  1. easy (1,66 stars, 257 notes)
  2. lunatic collab (3,49 stars, 680 notes)
  3. satellite's normal (1,94 stars, 363 notes)
  4. snowy's hard (2,95 stars, 504 notes)


Download: nachi - bellow
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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TicClick | Satellite | Snowy Dream | TicClick & Varjharta
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Хотела дать звезду, а потом увидела, что все звездочки от людей с никами на букву S и остановилась ._.
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R и S находятся совсем-совсем близко
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TicClick wrote:

R и S находятся совсем-совсем близко

Эх, была бы я Seiji-SJ!
Ладно, сломаю комбо своей Р-кой :3
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Hi. On Insane collab
01:01:583 (5,6,7) - I think it would be better to ignore the white tick altogether to make it clear that you would switch to map vocal in this section. Kinda similar like what you did on 00:50:673 (1,2,3) http://puu.sh/suUR2/972fc2566e.jpg.
Also, you probably should re-consider the likes of 01:08:855 (1,2) - , 01:12:492 (1,2) - , 01:23:401 (1,2) - , 01:27:037 (1,2) - , etc since it's not really clear that they're 1/4 patterns. Try to bring them closer, or modify them to have more continuous flow. for example 01:45:219 (1,2) - & 01:44:310 (3,4) -


nothing else worth mentioning, so that's that.
no kudos
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Easy:

  1. 00:17:037 (2,3,4,5,6) - For this pattern, I would do a something like this → https://puu.sh/sv79b/3f3b8b4ccd.png / If you don't agree with this, I think you can try to change a bit the tail of the slider number "2"
  2. 00:21:583 (3) - Why this slider is not like the previous one? I think it can be more consistant with it if you reduce the length of the slider !
  3. 00:27:037 (1,2) - I think the flow here is quite questionnable, I think you can change the form of this slider.
  4. 00:29:764 (4,1) - Same here, try to change the form of this one too owo
  5. 00:46:128 (2) - Try to align this note with the end of the previous slider :)
  6. 01:22:492 (2,3) - For an easy, it looks very hard to read for a beginner ! D:
  7. 01:52:492 (5) - Give a shape to this slider like this → https://puu.sh/sv7E9/5b806f0ca0.png
  8. 02:10:673 (3,4,5) - Move the number 3 because its quite strange here with the flow ! :(
  9. 02:16:128 (1,2,3) - https://puu.sh/sv7Ii/16d92c2ff4.png
  10. 02:32:492 (3,1) - https://puu.sh/sv7KX/dfe898aef7.png
  11. 03:36:128 (1,2,3) - Curve those slider please ;w;

[]
Good luck for your map ! <3
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[easy]
00:36:810 - не слишком ли одиноко звучит без каких-либо звуков? тот нормалхит, что у тебя тут стоит, его вообще не слышно, и звучит это некомфортно, может звук ему прибавить? или дефолтный софт хитнормал поюзать
Всё чисто.
[Snowy's Hard]
This difficulty needs a lot of work and polishing, kiais look pretty random, I can't see the structure there, especially in 1/4 patterns. For example, let's take 03:28:855 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this, did you just randomly place those objects? Look at the spacing between them, not distance snap but visual spacing, do you see how is it inconsistent? And shapes are random too. I recommend you to review all your patterns like this and to try to place them more... neat? Try making some geometric figures, interesting shapes instead of randomly placing rhythms.
Also do something with your hitsounds, either make them louder or use distinguishable hitsounds as claps and normal-hitnormals more, in current state most of your map is just inaudible due to hitsounds simply mixing with the track. Or you can simply copy them from lunatic.
00:19:537 (1) - don't use such speeds in hards that make 1/4 sliders look like 1/2, it's confusing for players that are starting to play difficulties like this or even for those who played them for some time
00:26:810 (1) - here too, it's very confusing when 1/4 slider has the same length as 1/2 one, and it doesn't even look different to them
02:12:492 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - this part looks rather boring, you could express it much better instead of simply putting repeating circles, they'd be boring for player too. consider changing it, adding more active rhythms
02:41:128 - any reason for mapping this note? you didn't map it before, also this spacing between 02:41:014 (6,7) - is inacceptable in hard
02:54:310 (1,3) - this overlap doesn't appear appealing in this pattern, better to unstack those sliders
02:56:128 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2) - why did you map it totally differently to 01:28:855 - this part? another rhythm, another placement, were you just lazy to map it properly without expressing the vocals as you did before? don't do this, be consistent in your mapping, this part in track is identical to previous one, so you shouldn't make such a difference between them
03:39:764 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - lack of inspiration again? you could try to at least use sliders and different shapes instead of using the same pattern 8 times, consider changing this part into something not as boring as repeating 1/1 squares, when the song can be expressed in better ways
[cunatic lollab]
00:46:583 (4,5,6,7,1) - звук этот еле слышен, я его и не заметил даже, поэтому стрим здесь звучит не в тему, да и играется так же
01:51:583 (3,4) - выглядит, конечно, красиво, но играются такие вещи скучновато, так как курсор перестаёшь двигать уже на середине первого слайдера, направив его на голову второго, лучше бы раздвинуть их
02:09:764 (1,2) - 02:10:673 (1,2) - а чего у них спейсинги разные?
03:14:310 (1,2) - 03:15:560 (2,3) - 03:16:469 (2,3) - больше бы смысла было, если бы у второго набора объектов был спейсинг выше, чем у первого, типа плавное увеличение, а то тут у второго меньше чем у первого
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kyubey came first and already said a lot of things I'm doomed
[Snowy's Hard]
  1. 00:19:310 (8,1,2) - mmm this doesn't feel really good to play
  2. 00:22:946 (9,10,1) - I think you could use distance snap on this
  3. 00:26:810 (1,2) - Isn't that a bit too much SV for a hard?
  4. skipping 00:59:083 - this and 00:59:310 - this doesn't really feel right imo, they're pretty hearable
  5. 01:13:401 (1,2,3) - same here, skipping those feels kinda confusing
  6. 01:49:423 (8,9,10,11,1) - idk if it's an issue but it really looks ugly imo
  7. following only the vocals here 02:36:128 (5,6) - and here 02:39:310 (4,5) - feels really awkward for some reason
  8. 02:53:401 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - this part is pretty intensive while the song is very calm on that part
  9. 03:31:242 (9,10,11) - distance snap please ;_;
  10. 03:54:310 (9) - New combo I guess?


[lunatic collab]
  1. 00:33:287 - you could add a note and make a triple here, just to follow the vocals a bit more
  2. 00:42:037 (3,4,5) - maybe distance snap on those three?
  3. 00:57:946 (1,2,3) - m-muh distance snap
  4. 00:50:673 (1,2,3) - mmm idk doesn't really feel good to play but that's probably just me
  5. 01:49:196 (3) - this might become something like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6725545
  6. 01:57:037 (1,4) - and 01:57:492 (3,2) - , those two overlaps are kinda meh imo
  7. 03:44:310 (3) - it's slightly unsnapped
sorry for the poor mod, I hope it is at least a bit helpful
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[easy]
I think you can add some hitsound at 02:55:673 (3) - or mute it as 02:52:037 (3) -
Also you can change 00:36:128 (3) - to something different

[satellite's normal]
00:25:901 - looks like you need to add a circle here
00:36:810 (6) - change to circle here 00:36:810 (6) - and 00:37:037 (7) -
01:31:355 (6,7) - strange pattern. Try to rotate.
02:14:083 (3) - maybe add a circle and move slider to 02:14:310 (4) - ? All of these sliders from 02:12:719 (2) - to 02:17:719 (3) - are strange.
02:55:673 (5) - whistle?

[snowy's hard]
Здесь пока нечего особо добавить, так как выше уже написали

[lunatic collab]

00:36:128 (7,8,9) - может первый слайдер закончить на 00:36:469 - и добавить ноту или слайдер на 00:36:583 (8) - ?
01:55:219 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - выглядит как-то не очень. Может, стоит им придать форму?
02:10:105 (2) -, 02:11:015 (2) - тут бы сделать одинаковый спейсинг, хотя кьюбей уже написал
03:31:355 (3) - имхо, нужно либо вытащить дальше кружок, либо вообще под слайдер его убрать
03:43:855 (2) - стакнуть с концом 03:43:401 (1) -
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Kyubey wrote:


[Snowy's Hard]
This difficulty needs a lot of work and polishing, kiais look pretty random, I can't see the structure there, especially in 1/4 patterns. For example, let's take 03:28:855 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9) - this, did you just randomly place those objects? Look at the spacing between them, not distance snap but visual spacing, do you see how is it inconsistent? And shapes are random too. I recommend you to review all your patterns like this and to try to place them more... neat? Try making some geometric figures, interesting shapes instead of randomly placing rhythms.
Also do something with your hitsounds, either make them louder or use distinguishable hitsounds as claps and normal-hitnormals more, in current state most of your map is just inaudible due to hitsounds simply mixing with the track. Or you can simply copy them from lunatic.
00:19:537 (1) - don't use such speeds in hards that make 1/4 sliders look like 1/2, it's confusing for players that are starting to play difficulties like this or even for those who played them for some time Fixed
00:26:810 (1) - here too, it's very confusing when 1/4 slider has the same length as 1/2 one, and it doesn't even look different to them Fixed
02:12:492 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - this part looks rather boring, you could express it much better instead of simply putting repeating circles, they'd be boring for player too. consider changing it, adding more active rhythms
02:41:128 - any reason for mapping this note? you didn't map it before, also this spacing between 02:41:014 (6,7) - is inacceptable in hard Fixed
02:54:310 (1,3) - this overlap doesn't appear appealing in this pattern, better to unstack those sliders Fixed
02:56:128 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,1,2,3,4,1,2) - why did you map it totally differently to 01:28:855 - this part? another rhythm, another placement, were you just lazy to map it properly without expressing the vocals as you did before? don't do this, be consistent in your mapping, this part in track is identical to previous one, so you shouldn't make such a difference between them
just feeling, the previous part is going to enter the first kiai time, and the objects before it are loose. But in the latter part, I think after a kiai time and intensive objects, it needs a little break time so I map 1/1.
03:39:764 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - lack of inspiration again? you could try to at least use sliders and different shapes instead of using the same pattern 8 times, consider changing this part into something not as boring as repeating 1/1 squares, when the song can be expressed in better ways

felys wrote:

kyubey came first and already said a lot of things I'm doomed
[notice][Snowy's Hard]
  1. 00:19:310 (8,1,2) - mmm this doesn't feel really good to play Fixed
  2. 00:22:946 (9,10,1) - I think you could use distance snap on this It should be a jump here imo
  3. 00:26:810 (1,2) - Isn't that a bit too much SV for a hard? Fixed
  4. skipping 00:59:083 - this and 00:59:310 - this doesn't really feel right imo, they're pretty hearable added a note on 00:59:310, the beat on 00:59:310 is not strong enough so I kept.
  5. 01:13:401 (1,2,3) - same here, skipping those feels kinda confusing nope, it's not the same as above, there is no beats between them.
  6. 01:49:423 (8,9,10,11,1) - idk if it's an issue but it really looks ugly imo Fixed
  7. following only the vocals here 02:36:128 (5,6) - and here 02:39:310 (4,5) - feels really awkward for some reason but I feel not bad :<
  8. 02:53:401 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - this part is pretty intensive while the song is very calm on that part volume of subjects is already quiet, and this part I'd like to follow vocal
  9. 03:31:242 (9,10,11) - distance snap please ;_; Fixed
  10. 03:54:310 (9) - New combo I guess? added new combo on (7)


Thanks for your helpful moddings. :3

To Kyubey: You've written many words, but I think these are what mappers want to map, so I kept.
"random placing" > Maybe it looks a bit random, but it's not suitable for the music? I also considered trying something geometric as you mentioned, but finally I choose to use these pattern.

and "repeating 1/1 square single circles" > I used 1/1 pattern 3 times, so it's on purpose. I think I should map so and 1/1 pattern do fit the music, not "lack of inspiration". :?
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Yohanes

Yohanes wrote:

Hi. On Insane collab
01:01:583 (5,6,7) - I think it would be better to ignore the white tick altogether to make it clear that you would switch to map vocal in this section. Kinda similar like what you did on 00:50:673 (1,2,3) http://puu.sh/suUR2/972fc2566e.jpg. ok
Also, you probably should re-consider the likes of 01:08:855 (1,2) - , 01:12:492 (1,2) - , 01:23:401 (1,2) - , 01:27:037 (1,2) - , etc since it's not really clear that they're 1/4 patterns. Try to bring them closer, or modify them to have more continuous flow. for example 01:45:219 (1,2) - & 01:44:310 (3,4) - fixed, more or less
Pachiru

Pachiru wrote:

Easy:
  1. 00:17:037 (2,3,4,5,6) - For this pattern, I would do a something like this → https://puu.sh/sv79b/3f3b8b4ccd.png / If you don't agree with this, I think you can try to change a bit the tail of the slider number "2" I see no point
  2. 00:21:583 (3) - Why this slider is not like the previous one? I think it can be more consistant with it if you reduce the length of the slider! why should it be?
  3. 00:27:037 (1,2) - I think the flow here is quite questionable, I think you can change the form of this slider. there isn't really any flow
  4. 00:29:764 (4,1) - Same here, try to change the form of this one too owo same here
  5. 00:46:128 (2) - Try to align this note with the end of the previous slider :)no use
  6. 01:22:492 (2,3) - For an easy, it looks very hard to read for a beginner ! D: I can't agree, a usual case of regular 1.00x spacing
  7. 01:52:492 (5) - Give a shape to this slider like this → https://puu.sh/sv7E9/5b806f0ca0.png I don't like it
  8. 02:10:673 (3,4,5) - Move the number 3 because its quite strange here with the flow ! :(or is it?
  9. 02:16:128 (1,2,3) - https://puu.sh/sv7Ii/16d92c2ff4.png no
  10. 02:32:492 (3,1) - https://puu.sh/sv7KX/dfe898aef7.png and no
  11. 03:36:128 (1,2,3) - Curve those slider please ;w; don't wanna
Kyubey

Kyubey wrote:

[easy]
00:36:810 - не слишком ли одиноко звучит без каких-либо звуков? тот нормалхит, что у тебя тут стоит, его вообще не слышно, и звучит это некомфортно, может звук ему прибавить? или дефолтный софт хитнормал поюзать я поступил проще 00:37:037 -
[cunatic lollab]
00:46:583 (4,5,6,7,1) - звук этот еле слышен, я его и не заметил даже, поэтому стрим здесь звучит не в тему, да и играется так же ничего себе, «еле слышен». ну ладно, поменял
felys

felys wrote:

[lunatic collab]
  1. 00:33:287 - you could add a note and make a triple here, just to follow the vocals a bit more hey, no
  2. 00:50:673 (1,2,3) - mmm idk doesn't really feel good to play but that's probably just me idk
  3. 01:49:196 (3) - this might become something like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/6725545 yeah you got it
Rotten yellow

Rotten yellow wrote:

[easy]
I think you can add some hitsound at 02:55:673 (3) - or mute it as 02:52:037 (3) - поставил хс на оба
Also you can change 00:36:128 (3) - to something different оставлю пока, прилепил хс на белый тик 00:37:037 -

[lunatic collab]
00:36:128 (7,8,9) - может первый слайдер закончить на 00:36:469 - и добавить ноту или слайдер на 00:36:583 (8) - ? не хочу


helpful, nonetheless
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allpied most, if not all suggestions for my parts
thanks all
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добавь в теги: komeiji koishi zun (это очень важно, да)

меня, кстати, смущает, что столько слайдеров оканчиваются на белые тики, но, думаю, это не так важно
00:36:128 (7) - тут можно нк попробовать, кстати (извините)

карта хорошая, удачи тебе с ней
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Minor stuffs mostly for the 'good look' (not necessary)
doesn't change the fact that this is set is good to go, though

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Easy
  1. 01:01:583 (3) - this is not literally out of the frame, but (at least for me) it doesn't look pleasing (despite the fps box you'll see on my ss). You can move it a bit ( http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7084293 )
  2. 01:36:128 (1,2,3) - do a big mouth instead http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7084328
  3. 02:10:673 (3) - since the previous 02:08:855 (1) - has a curve, maybe also make this a curve (slightly)?


Normal
  1. 02:26:128 (3,1) - this overlap totally. A little bit dangerous, in my opinion ( http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7084429 )


Hard
  1. 00:36:583 - hitsound sb here is too loud (was it my ear?). 30 is enough.
  2. 01:16:583 - you don't add a hitsound sb?
  3. 01:18:855 (3,5)- I'm not really a big fan of overlapping like this in hard diff because the end overlaps completely. Readability issues, but I'm not expert enough to decide.
  4. 00:45:219 (1,2) - The clap on the tail makes a double speed beat on its own. I highly encourage you to remove it. Also 00:47:946 (6) - .
  5. 00:48:855 (1,2) - ^
  6. 02:36:128 (5,6) - Awkward empty? You did fill the gap by making slider on the previous similar part (also before the kiai), so do please fill this too.
  7. 02:39:310 (4,5) - ^
  8. 03:53:855 (2,3) - Sudden loud volume is not really good. Instead of using normal sampleset (which is what you're using right now), use whistle from default sampleset


Collab
  1. 01:01:583 (5,6,7) - beats are weird and so is the shape. Despite you changed the beat according to Yohanes' mod, I find it not really pleasing (Also 00:50:673 (1,2,3) - this one doesn't look like you want to transit to map vocal, as 00:47:719 (4,5,6) - already suggests that you do want to map the vocal. Just my opinion). Since you use hitsound sb on 01:02:037 - , might as well to just let go a note and go with beat like this >> https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7084762


unless you don't want to change that double 1/2 sliders, then the collab diff is already polished (I don't really mind the shape in this diff except the one mentioned above, flows are amazing)
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snowy's hard:
01:07:037 (1) - replace with circle and 1\4 slider please
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Saturnalize wrote:


Hard
  1. 00:36:583 - hitsound sb here is too loud (was it my ear?). 30 is enough. done
  2. 01:16:583 - you don't add a hitsound sb? fixed
  3. 01:18:855 (3,5)- I'm not really a big fan of overlapping like this in hard diff because the end overlaps completely. Readability issues, but I'm not expert enough to decide. it's good to me imo
  4. 00:45:219 (1,2) - The clap on the tail makes a double speed beat on its own. I highly encourage you to remove it. Also 00:47:946 (6) - . fixed
  5. 00:48:855 (1,2) - ^ fixed
  6. 02:36:128 (5,6) - Awkward empty? You did fill the gap by making slider on the previous similar part (also before the kiai), so do please fill this too. on purpose, I'd like to make a stop here.
  7. 02:39:310 (4,5) - ^ the same as above
  8. 03:53:855 (2,3) - Sudden loud volume is not really good. Instead of using normal sampleset (which is what you're using right now), use whistle from default sampleset the volume has been lowered

Seikatu wrote:

snowy's hard:
01:07:037 (1) - replace with circle and 1\4 slider please why? It's fit for the vocal imo.


Thanks for your modding!
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Saturnalize
have applied all but

Saturnalize wrote:


Easy
  1. 01:36:128 (1,2,3) - do a big mouth instead http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7084328


Snowy Dream sent me their changes, and Satellite allowed me to edit their difficulty.

спасибо, пацаны и сейчас я тебя обманул, хааа
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Bubbled.
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oH YES
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