Allow different slidertick rate for a new timing section

Card N'FoRcE

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Card N'FoRcE 2011-02-27T21:20:33+00:00

*** Might want to add that by "new timing section" i mean "new uninherited timing section".

This is actually a re-request of a ooooooold topic that was forgotten, it seems:
viewtopic.php?f=30&t=4694&hilit=slider+tick+rate
(read carefully, it wasn't really rejected)

Point is: slidertick rate should be relative for the single timing section, not absolute for the whole mapset.
This would solve a looooot of problems with songs switching between /3 and /4 divisors, make "hold sliders" look like they were some time ago (with no ticks) if needed for gameplay and (maybe) give a bit more variety if used reasonably.

inb4abuse and whatever

ouranhshc

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ouranhshc 2011-02-27T22:00:45+00:00

I'm assuming red timing sections. I support this, but how often do songs come across that have changing time signatures (I'm not trying to be negative, I'm not just curious)

RandomJibberish

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RandomJibberish 2011-02-27T22:04:32+00:00

I agree on principle, but don't think it should be added due to abuse potential - I use sliderticks to read speed changes, and the way hold sliders have more ticks means they are at least slightly less disorientating and horrible. I'd much rather grit my teeth and set tick one now and again than return to having to deal with speed changes the "old" way.

EvianBubble

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EvianBubble 2011-02-28T00:14:52+00:00

There have been so many occasions where I wanted this

+1 support

Shohei Ohtani

Shohei Ohtani 2011-02-28T00:24:57+00:00

This has uses, and if it's abused, then tell them to unabuse that crap.

+Support.

Soaprman

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Soaprman 2011-02-28T00:30:46+00:00

I've wanted this before. I've seen maps that can benefit from it. Support for sure.

Also, any feature has potential for abuse. That's why we have our friendly BAT members to point out when we've gone overboard! It'll be fine.

OzzyOzrock

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OzzyOzrock 2011-02-28T02:08:20+00:00

RandomJibberish wrote:
I agree on principle, but don't think it should be added due to abuse potential - I use sliderticks to read speed changes

This. I just hope it isn't abused orz.

+support

Xgor

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Xgor 2011-02-28T09:13:28+00:00

Had this request idea for a while, and I want this so much.

Especially when there is songs that switches between 1/4 and 1/3

There is also stuff where the song asks for it too.

Rukario

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Rukario 2011-02-28T10:27:00+00:00

Xgor wrote:
Had this request idea for a while, and I want this so much.

Especially when there is songs that switches between 1/4 and 1/3

There is also stuff where the song asks for it too.

Oh yes, I've thought about this too. Already had some problems because of this.

support

RandomJibberish

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RandomJibberish 2011-02-28T21:37:51+00:00

CDFA wrote:
This has uses, and if it's abused, then tell them to unabuse that crap.

+Support.

Oh, I wish I had time to mod every map

Srsly, shit slips through the radar so easily that you can't really "hope it doesn't get abused" lol

HakuNoKaemi

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HakuNoKaemi 2011-03-04T15:04:44+00:00

+Support

with this people won't need to silence tick's

mm201

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mm201 2011-03-04T17:58:28+00:00

HakuNoKaemi wrote:
with this people won't need to silence tick's

Case & point.

Andrea

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Andrea 2011-03-04T19:42:53+00:00

I totally support this.

Some people may be say that this would be abused, but in case we can let the mapper to don't do it, am I right?

NatsumeRin

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NatsumeRin 2011-03-05T15:01:23+00:00

support.
this idea would make the maps more nature, since different patterns need different tick rates to fit in. though maybe just sometimes, but it's obviously an useful feature.

Kite

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Kite 2011-03-05T16:49:05+00:00

+Support

Dai

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Dai 2011-03-05T16:59:53+00:00

support

Luna

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Luna 2011-03-05T18:54:41+00:00

support
It would also be nice to have AIMod show if this has been used in the map (something like "change of tick rate" in the Style tab). That would make it much easier for modders to find possible abuse since it's way easier to overlook something small like this in the Timing Setup Panel~

mm201

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mm201 2011-03-06T23:27:26+00:00

Or it could just prevent you from uploading the map. That would stop abuse!

silklash

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silklash 2011-03-06T23:34:52+00:00

+support~

Alace

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Alace 2011-03-08T05:21:31+00:00

let`s try new voting system

Kurai

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Kurai 2011-03-08T15:20:00+00:00

+support, it will be awesome if people use it correctly~

deadbeat

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deadbeat 2011-03-10T23:22:33+00:00

i agree. this would be useful for certain songs. shoots star

mm201

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mm201 2011-03-24T14:15:57+00:00

Requirement: only if the difficulty is titled Marathon.

Mashley

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Mashley 2011-03-24T15:46:40+00:00

Or over a certain time? Though there are shorter songs like that

Shiirn

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Shiirn 2011-03-24T15:46:57+00:00

MetalMario201 wrote:
Requirement: only if the difficulty is titled Marathon.

Fucking this.

Drafura

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Drafura 2011-05-12T22:47:27+00:00

Card N'FoRcE wrote:
Point is: slidertick rate should be relative for the single timing section, not absolute for the whole mapset.

Agree, support.

Astom

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Astom 2011-05-22T07:01:28+00:00

Totally agree.

Also, makes sense to not have custom SliderTick Rate? For me at least NO, so totally support for this feature.

zsr123

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zsr123 2011-06-22T15:38:08+00:00

support

Card N'FoRcE

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Card N'FoRcE 2011-07-12T16:00:06+00:00

Might want to add that by "new timing section" i mean "new uninherited timing section".

EDIT: also little bump.

Karuta-_old_1

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Karuta-_old_1 2011-08-05T19:41:01+00:00

I support (though I can't fully comprehend the change)

As long as it that makes beatmapping easier, it's all good.

LuigiHann

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LuigiHann 2011-08-05T20:31:11+00:00

This would be useful. And it'd be useful for any multi-section song, not just marathon ones.

James

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James 2011-08-06T01:38:38+00:00

oooooooooo its my request 3 years ago!

mm201

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mm201 2011-08-06T01:54:55+00:00

I think most situations where you'd want to use this, an actual BPM change would be justified? Mostly, you'd be switching between rates 2 and 1-- 1 for very soft sections.

Krisom

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Krisom 2011-08-06T03:36:33+00:00

mm201 wrote:
I think most situations where you'd want to use this, an actual BPM change would be justified? Mostly, you'd be switching between rates 2 and 1-- 1 for very soft sections.

1/2 and 1/3 changes?

mm201

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mm201 2011-08-06T04:18:47+00:00

I'd rough it out with tick 1 for the sake of the players. Tick 3 would be too busy sounding for that.

Mashley

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Mashley 2011-08-07T17:43:28+00:00

mm201 wrote:
I'd rough it out with tick 1 for the sake of the players. Tick 3 would be too busy sounding for that.

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Larto 2011-08-26T01:03:17+00:00

I encountered another case right now where this would make so much sense and be so nice. Okay, I'd need Tick Rate 1.5 for it to be absolutely perfect, but we'll see about that.

HakuNoKaemi

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HakuNoKaemi 2011-11-12T16:13:38+00:00

uhm, that feature would be REALLY usefull.
Moreoverly, we have modder to keep it from being misused

ziin

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ziin 2011-11-12T17:06:45+00:00

meh I'm fine with doubling the bpm.

HakuNoKaemi

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HakuNoKaemi 2011-11-12T17:48:17+00:00

you should half the slider velocity too, with that. And people say it break the offset (somehow)

Rukario

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Rukario 2012-01-07T11:56:37+00:00

Bump, because this is a feature that really should exist already.

DerekMcD

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DerekMcD 2012-01-30T04:05:56+00:00

Rukarioman wrote:
Bump, because this is a feature that really should exist already.

^This.

DawnII

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DawnII 2012-02-27T21:53:19+00:00

I don't do jack with mapping anymore but when I did, DEM TICKS. Have a star.

Why my star no pink?

DerekMcD

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DerekMcD 2012-03-29T04:26:06+00:00

We must give more supports.

Luna

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Luna 2012-04-11T14:56:54+00:00

From New Rules Discussion (Taiko rules thread):

mm201 wrote:
wmfchris wrote:
Don't use slider in maps with 1/3 music because slider = 1/4
Blatant lies.
Set the tick rate to 3 and your sliders will have triple rolls.
There should be a rule, 1/3 snap maps *must* use tick rate 3. x1.5 BPM is unrankable.

I didn't know this before but it makes me support this feature request even more.
I'm currently mapping a Taiko for a song that switches between 1/4 and 1/3 snap and would like to use sliders/drumrolls in all sections. So far I've been using Tick 1 but that creates 1/4 drumrolls in the 1/3 sections. Now that I know that 1/3 drumrolls are possible I'd really like to implement them.
At least switching between 1/4 and 1/3 associated tick rates should be enabled, other tick rate changes could still be limited to red lines only and with heavy restriction on their use (since I do agree that "randomly" changing tick rates can be confusing)

HakuNoKaemi

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HakuNoKaemi 2012-09-05T18:43:17+00:00

This is really a needed feature for many maps. like marathons and maps who changes between 1/3 and 1/4
This get another Star of mine.

TheVileOne

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TheVileOne 2012-12-06T05:09:57+00:00

I believe it's time to bring this debate back up. It's a good idea and should be considered.

Kuroneko-sHerald

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Kuroneko-sHerald 2012-12-18T11:11:43+00:00

If only I had more stars...

Saten

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Saten 2012-12-19T07:44:19+00:00

Tick-rate is based on the bpm. I'm not sure if it should change while inside a song..
Halving the bpm would be a solution is the song swings that way.

Ticks usually keeps the flow in a map.
If they sound noisy/disturbing, lower the volume a bit or change the ticksound to something more comfortable (e.g. soft-slidertick)

1/3 songs might be a different thing though.
But in the end, doubles are very common in such songs, so tickrate 1-2 would still be good.

Card N'FoRcE wrote:
inb4abuse and whatever

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Kuroneko-sHerald

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Kuroneko-sHerald 2012-12-24T13:51:43+00:00

Saten wrote:
Tick-rate is based on the bpm. I'm not sure if it should change while inside a song..
Halving the bpm would be a solution is the song swings that way.

Half BPM for this reason isn't allowed.

Saten wrote:
Ticks usually keeps the flow in a map.
If they sound noisy/disturbing, lower the volume a bit or change the ticksound to something more comfortable (e.g. soft-slidertick)

The point is having the sound of ticks, but with the possibility to set another tick rate accordingly to the music and without sinlencing. (For example in map that have 1/4 and 1/3).

I suggest you to check the map of Card N'FoRcE

[Luanny]

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[Luanny] 2012-12-24T14:13:28+00:00

this is perfect for marathons, really
supp~

Kodora

Kodora 2013-03-08T20:52:57+00:00

bump

this idea is awesome

DakeDekaane

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DakeDekaane 2013-03-09T07:57:13+00:00

Giving starless support /o/

This feature should be added :c

As many said, it's useful for songs that have changes in 1/2 (or 1/4) and 1/3, using tickrate 1 sounds empty in 1/2 parts, tickrate 2 sound bad in 1/3, and tickrate 3 well, you know. And that kind of songs are not too rare (at least I've seen many of them).

Please do ~

[Luanny]

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[Luanny] 2013-03-09T10:31:53+00:00

why isn't this implemented yet?

Kodora

Kodora 2013-03-09T12:59:19+00:00