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Euchaeta - Kokoro

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kwk
572 posts
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Topic Starter
kwk
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Wednesday, 28 December 2016 at 8:17:53 p.m.

Artist: Euchaeta
Title: Kokoro
Source: VOEZ
Tags: Original Soundtrack vol. 1 volume 6th naxess
BPM: 138
Filesize: 3333kb
Play Time: 01:53
Difficulties Available:
  1. Advanced (2.54 stars, 239 notes)
  2. Hard (3.25 stars, 353 notes)
  3. Hyper Collab (3.52 stars, 391 notes)
  4. Insane (4.48 stars, 471 notes)
  5. Normal (1.85 stars, 182 notes)
  6. Special (5.84 stars, 557 notes)
Download: Euchaeta - Kokoro
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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VOEZ is hard game

Hyper collab by 6th and Naxess

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Chihara Minori
1,235 posts
Joined December 2013
Chihara Minori
M4M Here~

in case of missunderstanding, the (1) is down curve, (2) is up curve http://puu.sh/pmlLH/dce55dc8a6.jpg
and srry for uncommon language

Normal:
• 00:03:044 (4) - smooth pattern indeed
• 00:31:739 (4) - horizontal slider with light up curve here
• 00:38:696 (3) - stack with (1)
• 00:43:913 (1) - a straight vertical slider fell better to next note
• 00:47:391 (1) - light down curve
• 00:50:000 (5) - ^
• 00:53:478 (5) - stack with (2)
• 00:54:348 (1) - this slider better imo (p)
• 01:01:304 (3) - light right curve
• 01:30:870 (5) - this one maybe (p)
• 01:33:044 (2) - light up curve here
• 01:33:913 (3) - and light down curve to make it flow
• 01:36:522 (7) - stack with (4)
• 01:48:696 (5.1) - stack with (2)

Hard:
• 00:17:826 (2,3,4) - x280 y32
• 00:18:261 (4) - make the slider not touch with last (2) note
• 00:22:174 (1,1) - feel a bit unconfort there
• 00:39:565 (6) - blanket with next (3)
• 00:43:478 (5,1) - smoother transition
• 00:52:609 (1,2) - both add light curve
• 00:53:913 (3,1) - smoother transition
• 01:11:304 (1) - better slider?
• 01:27:174 (2) - stack with last (3)
• 01:28:261 (1) - curve down
• 01:30:000 (1) - stack with last 2
• 01:30:435 (5) - stack at end of last (3) slider
• 01:31:304 (3) - give a light up curve and end slider at start of last (3) slider
• 01:31:739 (4) - opposite light curve from (3)
• 01:44:131 - missing note?

Insane:
• 00:03:044 (1) - opposite curve, also for (4)
• 00:04:131 (2) - light up curve
• 00:14:131 (3,4,5) - too hard to read imo
• 00:26:087 (2) - a curve fell better than an angle
• 00:31:957 (2,1) - better trasition, maybe start the stream at last two (1) note
• 00:34:783 (3,5) - add left curve for those sliders
• 00:58:044 (4) - better placing for this one
• 01:08:696 (4) - up curve
• 01:13:478 (2) - light up curve
• 01:24:348 (3,1) - light up curve and give light down curve for the (1) slider
• 01:29:565 (1) - this slider not absorb the jump well
• 01:30:870 (1) - ctrl+g
My pointer dancing in this diff ~

I cant mods extra srry for this
Good luck
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

eclipselotus wrote:

M4M Here~

in case of missunderstanding, the (1) is down curve, (2) is up curve http://puu.sh/pmlLH/dce55dc8a6.jpg
and srry for uncommon language

Normal:
• 00:03:044 (4) - smooth pattern indeed :arrow: i think its fine
• 00:31:739 (4) - horizontal slider with light up curve here :arrow: straight is better i think
• 00:38:696 (3) - stack with (1) :arrow:ok
• 00:43:913 (1) - a straight vertical slider fell better to next note :arrow:ok
• 00:47:391 (1) - light down curve :arrow:ok
• 00:50:000 (5) - ^ :arrow:ok
• 00:53:478 (5) - stack with (2) :arrow:ok
• 00:54:348 (1) - this slider better imo (p) :arrow:ok
• 01:01:304 (3) - light right curve :arrow: keep consistency with previous occurences
• 01:30:870 (5) - this one maybe (p) :arrow:ok, kept the repeat though
• 01:33:044 (2) - light up curve here :arrow:ok
• 01:33:913 (3) - and light down curve to make it flow straight is good for now i think
• 01:36:522 (7) - stack with (4) dont think it matters..
• 01:48:696 (5.1) - stack with (2) ^

Hard:
• 00:17:826 (2,3,4) - x280 y32 :arrow:ok for now, not sure if i like the jump or not though
• 00:18:261 (4) - make the slider not touch with last (2) note :arrow:irrelevant ^
• 00:22:174 (1,1) - feel a bit unconfort there seems fine to me
• 00:39:565 (6) - blanket with next (3) :arrow:ok
• 00:43:478 (5,1) - smoother transition intended
• 00:52:609 (1,2) - both add light curve :arrow:ok
• 00:53:913 (3,1) - smoother transition intended
• 01:11:304 (1) - better slider? :arrow:ok..i hate doing long sliders lol
• 01:27:174 (2) - stack with last (3) :arrow: ok, but i dont think its very noticeable..
• 01:28:261 (1) - curve down :arrow:dont see how that would be better
• 01:30:000 (1) - stack with last 2 :arrow: sure
• 01:30:435 (5) - stack at end of last (3) slider :arrow:no clue what you mean here
• 01:31:304 (3) - give a light up curve and end slider at start of last (3) slider :arrow:straight is good
• 01:31:739 (4) - opposite light curve from (3) :arrow:^
• 01:44:131 - missing note? :arrow: nice

Insane:
• 00:03:044 (1) - opposite curve, also for (4) :arrow:keep as it is for now
• 00:04:131 (2) - light up curve :arrow: ok
• 00:14:131 (3,4,5) - too hard to read imo :arrow:play more (its not hard)
• 00:26:087 (2) - a curve fell better than an angle :arrow: mm ok
• 00:31:957 (2,1) - better trasition, maybe start the stream at last two (1) note :arrow:i think its fine, its just a triangle jump
• 00:34:783 (3,5) - add left curve for those sliders :arrow: sure
• 00:58:044 (4) - better placing for this one :arrow: sure
• 01:08:696 (4) - up curve :arrow: ok
• 01:13:478 (2) - light up curve :arrow: ok
• 01:24:348 (3,1) - light up curve and give light down curve for the (1) slider :arrow: ok
• 01:29:565 (1) - this slider not absorb the jump well :arrow:i think its fine
• 01:30:870 (1) - ctrl+g :arrow:no ctrl+g reflects the music better i feel
My pointer dancing in this diff ~

I cant mods extra srry for this
Good luck
thanks for the mod!
MineSweeper
39 posts
Joined March 2014
MineSweeper
Hi, from M4M

[Hard]

00:04:783 (3) - NC and 00:05:652 (1) - remove NC
00:03:044 (1) - ds too long, compared with 00:09:783 (5,1) - , 00:16:739 (5,1) -
00:18:696 (5,1) - change NC
00:27:609 (5) - NC (same pattern 00:13:696 (1) - )
00:43:044 (3) - NC, and it can be used longer distance to emphasize
01:06:087 (1) - remove NC
01:07:391 (4) - NC
01:10:435 (3) - this may confuse, use longer ds
01:38:261 (3,1,2) - how about replace them for slider?
01:36:522 (5) - you may intended 1.0x


[Insane]

00:14:783 (5) - stack with 00:14:131 (3) -
01:18:261 (5,1) - change NC
00:20:435 (1,2,3,4) - suddenly too hard? how about 00:20:652 (2,3) - ctrl+G
01:21:739 (6) - NC
01:28:696 (2) - NC here

[Special]
00:18:116 (2,3) - even simple 1/6's are hard to reading and hit, how about using smaller distanst to distinguish 1/4s
00:17:826 (1) - 00:21:304 (1) -00:24:783 (5) - same pattern, use same NC
00:48:913 (1,2) - ctrl+G, because other 3 patterns for this rhythms have diffrent dirrection first 1->2 and second 1->2
01:35:218 (1) - ctrl + G
01:43:696 (1) - I think this should not be empashized


Good Luck!
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

MineSweeper wrote:

Hi, from M4M

[Hard]

00:04:783 (3) - NC and 00:05:652 (1) - remove NC :arrow: ok
00:03:044 (1) - ds too long, compared with 00:09:783 (5,1) - , 00:16:739 (5,1) - :arrow: changed
00:18:696 (5,1) - change NC :arrow: ok
00:27:609 (5) - NC (same pattern 00:13:696 (1) - ) :arrow: ok
00:43:044 (3) - NC, and it can be used longer distance to emphasize :arrow: nc ok i'll think about the distance
01:06:087 (1) - remove NC :arrow: ok,ctrl+v shouldnt copy NC :(
01:07:391 (4) - NC :arrow: ok
01:10:435 (3) - this may confuse, use longer ds :arrow: i'll think about the distance, but i dont think it should matter too much since its a slider anyway
01:38:261 (3,1,2) - how about replace them for slider? :arrow: seems good
01:36:522 (5) - you may intended 1.0x :arrow: nice


[Insane]

00:14:783 (5) - stack with 00:14:131 (3) - :arrow: sure

01:18:261 (5,1) - change NC :arrow: ok

00:20:435 (1,2,3,4) - suddenly too hard? how about 00:20:652 (2,3) - ctrl+G :arrow: i dont think its harder than 00:10:870 (1,2,3,4) - , ctrl+g seems to actually play worse as well
01:21:739 (6) - NC :arrow: ok
01:28:696 (2) - NC here :arrow: ok

[Special]
00:18:116 (2,3) - even simple 1/6's are hard to reading and hit, how about using smaller distanst to distinguish 1/4s :arrow: i think at this bpm the 1/6 isnt too fast and i think this distance helps preserve the momentum (and i dont want to remap half the map lol)
00:17:826 (1) - 00:21:304 (1) -00:24:783 (5) - same pattern, use same NC :arrow: ok
00:48:913 (1,2) - ctrl+G, because other 3 patterns for this rhythms have diffrent dirrection first 1->2 and second 1->2 :arrow: not too sure for now but i'll go with this suggestion
01:35:218 (1) - ctrl + G :arrow: sure, changed slider
01:43:696 (1) - I think this should not be empashized :arrow: i think it should be


Good Luck!
thank you for fixing my NCing lol
DeRandom Otaku
2,136 posts
Joined November 2014
DeRandom Otaku
Hi M4M

My map : https://osu.ppy.sh/s/466104

General

  1. Disable widescreen support
  2. Add tags

Special

  1. AR is really low , should be at very least 9.3
  2. OD is low aswell , change to somewhere between 8.5 to 8.8
  3. 00:05:218 (4,2) - fix stack
  4. 00:08:261 (1,1) - ^
  5. 00:11:087 (2,3) - change to 1/6
  6. 00:17:609 (4,1) - blanket
  7. 00:19:131 (3,2) - fix blanket
  8. 00:21:304 (1) - stack sliderend with sliderend of 00:20:435 (1) -
  9. 00:23:478 (3,1) - fix stack
  10. 00:25:978 (2) - adjust it abit to stack properly with the sliderend
  11. 00:32:934 (4,5) - fix blanket
  12. 00:36:196 (2,6) - fix stack
  13. 00:45:435 (1,2) - ctrl+g for better flow which will match the intensity of the song more at that point
  14. 01:08:587 (5,6) - nazi blanket
  15. 01:09:131 - add circle .-.
  16. 01:18:044 (6,1) - nazi blanket
  17. 01:26:522 (4,2) - fix stack
  18. 01:28:696 (2,3) - this can be a pain to read on sightread especially with hidden
  19. 01:42:935 (2,3) - nazi blanket
  20. 01:46:413 (2,3) - ^

Insane

  1. Change AR to 9
  2. Change OD to 7.5
  3. 00:11:304 (3,1) - fix stack
  4. 00:20:870 (3) - stack with 00:20:000 (3) -
  5. 00:26:087 (2) - stack slider end with 00:25:218 (3) -
  6. 00:31:522 (4,1) - fix stack
  7. 00:57:826 (3,5) - stack
  8. 01:00:000 (3,1) - fix stack
  9. 01:05:435 (5,1) - fix blanket
  10. 01:10:435 (5,1) - fix stack
  11. 01:16:304 (4,1) - nazi blanket
  12. 01:42:391 (4,2) - fix stack
  13. 01:52:609 (5) - nc
well thats all ~ i m not good at modding things lower than insane

GL!~
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

DeRandom Otaku wrote:

Hi M4M

My map : https://osu.ppy.sh/s/466104

General

  1. Disable widescreen support
  2. Add tags :arrow: i'll add them when i have ideas on what to tag :?

Special

  1. AR is really low , should be at very least 9.3 :arrow: i think ar9 is fine considering the bpm...
  2. OD is low aswell , change to somewhere between 8.5 to 8.8 :arrow: i'll think about it
  3. 00:05:218 (4,2) - fix stack
  4. 00:08:261 (1,1) - ^
  5. 00:11:087 (2,3) - change to 1/6
  6. 00:17:609 (4,1) - blanket
  7. 00:19:131 (3,2) - fix blanket
  8. 00:21:304 (1) - stack sliderend with sliderend of 00:20:435 (1) -
  9. 00:23:478 (3,1) - fix stack
  10. 00:25:978 (2) - adjust it abit to stack properly with the sliderend
  11. 00:32:934 (4,5) - fix blanket
  12. 00:36:196 (2,6) - fix stack
  13. 00:45:435 (1,2) - ctrl+g for better flow which will match the intensity of the song more at that point :arrow: its intended as a bit of variety on 4 note patterns
  14. 01:08:587 (5,6) - nazi blanket
  15. 01:09:131 - add circle .-.
  16. 01:18:044 (6,1) - nazi blanket
  17. 01:26:522 (4,2) - fix stack
  18. 01:28:696 (2,3) - this can be a pain to read on sightread especially with hidden :arrow: i'll get some testplays but i think it should be fine with the hidden changes made a while back
  19. 01:42:935 (2,3) - nazi blanket
  20. 01:46:413 (2,3) - ^

Insane

  1. Change AR to 9 :arrow: ar8 is good, its only 138 bpm..
  2. Change OD to 7.5 :arrow: i'll think about it but i dont think its necessary
  3. 00:11:304 (3,1) - fix stack
  4. 00:20:870 (3) - stack with 00:20:000 (3) -
  5. 00:26:087 (2) - stack slider end with 00:25:218 (3) -
  6. 00:31:522 (4,1) - fix stack
  7. 00:57:826 (3,5) - stack
  8. 01:00:000 (3,1) - fix stack
  9. 01:05:435 (5,1) - fix blanket
  10. 01:10:435 (5,1) - fix stack
  11. 01:16:304 (4,1) - nazi blanket
  12. 01:42:391 (4,2) - fix stack
  13. 01:52:609 (5) - nc
well thats all ~ i m not good at modding things lower than insane

GL!~
fixed everything not mentioned thank you but be nice if it wasnt 90% just nazi modding :|
Hollow Delta
793 posts
Joined March 2015
Hollow Delta
from #modreqs doing M4M

Special
SPOILER
00:13:696 (1,2,3,4) - Can you make this a square pattern?
00:18:696 (1) - Make this slider curve up a little bit.
00:30:870 (1,2,3) - Curve each of these sliders so they look like a propeller. Like this: http://puu.sh/po4sA/54a5141455.jpg
00:31:957 (5) - Edit > Reverse Selection

Insane
SPOILER
01:29:565 (1) - Random whistle sound?
01:45:435 (2,3,4) - Make these sliders curve. Like this: http://puu.sh/po4Vi/63848eba6e.jpg
01:51:521 (1,2,3,4) - Square pattern here?

Hard
SPOILER
00:51:739 (1,2,3,4) - Straighten out this diamond pattern so it looks better.

I didn't mod Normal because it already was very good.
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

Bubblun wrote:

from #modreqs doing M4M

Special
SPOILER
00:13:696 (1,2,3,4) - Can you make this a square pattern? :arrow: better my way
00:18:696 (1) - Make this slider curve up a little bit. :arrow: it doesnt flow well into next pattern if curved
00:30:870 (1,2,3) - Curve each of these sliders so they look like a propeller. Like this: http://puu.sh/po4sA/54a5141455.jpg :arrow: i'll consider but i dont think it will match with 00:30:435 (1,2,3,4) - nicely
00:31:957 (5) - Edit > Reverse Selection :arrow: not good flow

Insane
SPOILER
01:29:565 (1) - Random whistle sound? :arrow: not random
01:45:435 (2,3,4) - Make these sliders curve. Like this: http://puu.sh/po4Vi/63848eba6e.jpg :arrow: will consider
01:51:521 (1,2,3,4) - Square pattern here? :arrow: no since form triangle with 01:51:956 (3,4,1) -

Hard
SPOILER
00:51:739 (1,2,3,4) - Straighten out this diamond pattern so it looks better. :arrow: ok

I didn't mod Normal because it already was very good.
thank you for your mod
Foxy Grandpa
709 posts
Joined January 2015
Foxy Grandpa
Hi, from my queue

General
I don't know if its my headphones or the mp3 itself but just by listening to the preview, there is so much crackling and it just destroys my ears, and I almost don't want to mod this because of it but, i'm a man of my word so ill give it a shot.

Special
In my complete and honest opinion as a player, this difficulty is not fun. there are way to many overlaps and random circles everywhere, it feels like this is trying to be a hollow wings map but just, a bad interpretation of it. After trying to play this atleast 15 times, i realize that this just isn't fun. Sorry, but onto mods.

Ar is low for these kind of jumps, And CS is practically unplayable because of all the strange and out of nowehere patterns.
My suggestion - AR9.5, OD8.5 CS4
00:32:236 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - the second set of spaced streams just come out of nowhere, atleast nerf the spacing on these or do something
00:35:062 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this is just not a good pattern, incredibly hard to sightread on ar9
00:35:932 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - ^^^
00:37:019 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - You really need to make this a higher CS. with patterns like these the map just look clumped together and there is absolutely no spacing.
00:42:019 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Spacing between 4 and 1 is fucked, please change this or do something with it. Patterns like these may look aesthetically good, but they are not fun to play.
00:47:019 (3,4,5,1) - Transition from 4,5 to 1 is odd.
This is about all i really want to mod with this difficulty. If i were to mod the rest it would practically take up my whole day. This isn't meant to be just me sounding like a dick. But this difficulty in my complete and honest opinion, is not good.

Insane
AR8? I know this is a low bpm but if you're gonna do this size CS, then atleast make it ar9... I know im not the only one who thinks this looking at other mods.

After playing this. It's borderline unplayable with AR8, if you're going for trying to make this an alternating map then this is beyond too slow for it...

I can't mod this difficulty for the reason being that there is just so many things i personally do not like about it, and for the fact that its pretty much unplayable with ar8, i played it with ar9 and it just feels a lot better.

Good luck
You'll need it...
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

FoxyGrandpa wrote:

Hi, from my queue

General
I don't know if its my headphones or the mp3 itself but just by listening to the preview, there is so much crackling and it just destroys my ears, and I almost don't want to mod this because of it but, i'm a man of my word so ill give it a shot. :arrow: I don't think there's a problem with the mp3?

Special
In my complete and honest opinion as a player, this difficulty is not fun. there are way to many overlaps and random circles everywhere, it feels like this is trying to be a hollow wings map but just, a bad interpretation of it. After trying to play this atleast 15 times, i realize that this just isn't fun. Sorry, but onto mods.

Ar is low for these kind of jumps, And CS is practically unplayable because of all the strange and out of nowehere patterns. :arrow: explain to me these strange and out of nowhere patterns? im assuming your mainly talking about 00:29:193 - to 00:56:964 - I think my patterning is consistent? if it isn't please point out what goes against the consistency.
My suggestion - AR9.5, OD8.5 CS4 :arrow: sure i can understand AR/OD i'll think about it, but changing CS makes this map significantly harder, and is basically an entire remap. some patterns only work because of circle size leniency.
00:32:236 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - the second set of spaced streams just come out of nowhere, atleast nerf the spacing on these or do somethingsure i changed spacing
00:35:062 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - this is just not a good pattern, incredibly hard to sightread on ar9 :arrow: why is it hard to read? nothing is overlapping, you can clearly see approach circles/numbering.
00:35:932 (1,2,1,2,3,4) - ^^^ :arrow: ^^^
00:37:019 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - You really need to make this a higher CS. with patterns like these the map just look clumped together and there is absolutely no spacing. i honestly dont see a problem with this. maybe my opinion will change in a week and you will be right
00:42:019 (1,2,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - Spacing between 4 and 1 is fucked, please change this or do something with it. Patterns like these may look aesthetically good, but they are not fun to play. :arrow: ?
00:47:019 (3,4,5,1) - Transition from 4,5 to 1 is odd. :arrow: how so?
This is about all i really want to mod with this difficulty. If i were to mod the rest it would practically take up my whole day. This isn't meant to be just me sounding like a dick. But this difficulty in my complete and honest opinion, is not good. :arrow: sure thanks for your opinion i guess, some maps arent for everyone

Insane
AR8? I know this is a low bpm but if you're gonna do this size CS, then atleast make it ar9... I know im not the only one who thinks this looking at other mods. :arrow: i think ar9 is too fast,maybe i will go between but i definitely dont think ar9 is necessary.

After playing this. It's borderline unplayable with AR8, if you're going for trying to make this an alternating map then this is beyond too slow for it... :arrow: if you can't read ar8 theres not much i can say. i dont think any particular section makes it 'unplayable' and its not mapped so clumped together that notelocking is possible,neither is the note density consistently high.

I can't mod this difficulty for the reason being that there is just so many things i personally do not like about it, and for the fact that its pretty much unplayable with ar8, i played it with ar9 and it just feels a lot better. :arrow: ok..?

Good luck
You'll need it...
thanks for your opinion
Nickoloui
60 posts
Joined August 2013
Nickoloui
Hey from M4M :D

General
Consider adding tags

Insane
I believe you can increase the AR slightly on this one? Up to you
What if 00:05:932 (2,3) - were moved to the end of the slider 00:05:714 (1) - instead of being at the beginning of this slider? 00:06:149 (4) - I believe it has a better flow like this
00:06:801 (2,3) - Nothing in the music indicates this considerably larger jump than the others
00:11:149 (2,3) - ^
00:13:106 (1) - This one is too close to the slider before it imo and it can confuse the player that it's on a blue tick, try moving it further away to indicate the music jump
00:13:323 (2) - Delete this note and play the music. Do you hear anything that indicates this note? Feels better without it
00:21:584 (2) - This is good but 00:21:910 (3) - this isnt necessary
00:27:671 (1) - Same as before, too close to the slider, it doesn't indicate the delay
00:31:801 (1,2) - Try Ctrl + G, what do you think? Better flow imo
00:36:149 (1) - You can map this one better instead of just one big reverse slider
00:53:975 (3,1) - Blanket
00:57:453 (2) - Move further away to indicate delay
00:57:888 (3) - this feels weird idk
01:09:410 (1,2,3) - Check for DS or just me?

Special
00:12:997 (1,2) - This feels weird considering how nicely everything felt before it, try doing something different
00:25:606 (5) - x:352 y:300
00:26:910 (1) - x:208 y:148 or something similar?
00:52:453 (1,2) - Ctrl + G
01:22:888 (1) - x:80 y:304
01:29:084 (3) - Why? xD Sorry but you need to move this note somewhere else

All else seems great!
That's all from me hope I've helped, and good luck! <3
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

[ Shark ] wrote:

Hey from M4M :D

General
Consider adding tags

Insane
I believe you can increase the AR slightly on this one? Up to you :arrow: yeah in the end i'll go with 8.5 for now
What if 00:05:932 (2,3) - were moved to the end of the slider 00:05:714 (1) - instead of being at the beginning of this slider? 00:06:149 (4) - I believe it has a better flow like this possibly but i dont think your suggestion is any better
00:06:801 (2,3) - Nothing in the music indicates this considerably larger jump than the others :arrow: higher pitch
00:11:149 (2,3) - ^ :arrow: yeah i change this a bit,quite like the earlier pattern tho :cry:
00:13:106 (1) - This one is too close to the slider before it imo and it can confuse the player that it's on a blue tick, try moving it further away to indicate the music jump :arrow: i think slightly higher ar should help with this
00:13:323 (2) - Delete this note and play the music. Do you hear anything that indicates this note? Feels better without it :arrow: yup significant beat too
00:21:584 (2) - This is good but 00:21:910 (3) - this isnt necessary :arrow: i'll keep it for now, since i dont know what else to do since every other rhythm doesnt work well with the first repeat
00:27:671 (1) - Same as before, too close to the slider, it doesn't indicate the delay :arrow: higher ar should help
00:31:801 (1,2) - Try Ctrl + G, what do you think? Better flow imo :arrow: dont think ctrl+g is better but i changed it to stack on a differentnote instead
00:36:149 (1) - You can map this one better instead of just one big reverse slider :arrow: keep it for now since im not sure what i can work into the pattern before and after it and its a nice breather
00:53:975 (3,1) - Blanket sure but not sure if its better to force it,
00:57:453 (2) - Move further away to indicate delay :arrow: sure
00:57:888 (3) - this feels weird idk :arrow: idk either
01:09:410 (1,2,3) - Check for DS or just me? :arrow: i dont think its that big of a deal

Special
00:12:997 (1,2) - This feels weird considering how nicely everything felt before it, try doing something different :arrow: changed it
00:25:606 (5) - x:352 y:300 :arrow: changed it a bit for ds consistency
00:26:910 (1) - x:208 y:148 or something similar? :arrow: dont think its necessary
00:52:453 (1,2) - Ctrl + G :arrow: definitely not better
01:22:888 (1) - x:80 y:304 :arrow: sure
01:29:084 (3) - Why? xD Sorry but you need to move this note somewhere else :arrow: nothing else really works and it flows nicely!

All else seems great!
That's all from me hope I've helped, and good luck! <3
thank you for your mod !
caned
61 posts
Joined September 2014
caned

Easy

  1. 00:13:758 (3,4) - This pattern follows a rhythm that may be too hard for Easy diff. players
Aside from that, this is fine.


Normal

  1. 00:21:800 (6,1) - Could easily make this look nicer
  2. 00:25:714 (1,2,3,4) - Uneven spacing
  3. 00:32:236 (2,3) - Maybe blanket this
  4. 00:48:758 (2,3) - Could look nicer
  5. 01:38:323 (3,1) - Move slider slightly so 3 fits inside the curve
This map's also fine could just look a bit nicer.



Insane

  1. 00:21:366 (1,2,3) - This rhythm kinda confused me when I played it, could just be me but the back and forth sliders don't seem very intuitive here
  2. 00:33:323 (4,5,2) - Could blanket the 2 & 4 and move the 3 accordingly
  3. 01:02:019 (5,1) - Moving these to same position would look nice
  4. 01:31:366 (3,4) - This jump is a bit hard compared to the rest of the map
Mostly just comments, nothing in dire need of fixing as far as I can see.



Special

  1. 00:03:323 (2,5) - Slightly off positioning? Could put 5 directly on top of where 2 was and would like more polished
  2. 01:28:758 (2,3) - This confused my brain but I guess it's fine with the style of the map :D
  3. 00:11:801 (1,2) - This jump is huge compared to 00:12:997 (1,2) , when they're the same part of the song really, idk how big an issue that is
  4. 00:16:149 (1) - Could have some cool triple or back+forth here and some other places where the diddlydoo plays rather than always kicksliders
Very cool map, I love the hitsounds in this.

Overall good job, very cool set gl with rank! & sorry for taking a year to give you back a mod :)
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

caned wrote:

Easy

  1. 00:13:758 (3,4) - This pattern follows a rhythm that may be too hard for Easy diff. players :arrow: i'll get more opinions, im not sure myself
Aside from that, this is fine.


Normal

  1. 00:21:800 (6,1) - Could easily make this look nicer :arrow: not exactly sure what you mean but blanketed it better?
  2. 00:25:714 (1,2,3,4) - Uneven spacing :arrow: intended for the last note
  3. 00:32:236 (2,3) - Maybe blanket this :arrow: dont think its necessary to force it
  4. 00:48:758 (2,3) - Could look nicer :arrow: sure moved slider a bit
  5. 01:38:323 (3,1) - Move slider slightly so 3 fits inside the curve :arrow: yup
This map's also fine could just look a bit nicer.



Insane

  1. 00:21:366 (1,2,3) - This rhythm kinda confused me when I played it, could just be me but the back and forth sliders don't seem very intuitive here :arrow: i agree, changed rhythm now that i have an idea on where to place them
  2. 00:33:323 (4,5,2) - Could blanket the 2 & 4 and move the 3 accordingly :arrow: sure, changed the pattern location a bit
  3. 01:02:019 (5,1) - Moving these to same position would look nice :arrow: not entirely sure what you mean cause both stacks look rather bad.. but i changed it anyway since it wasnt that much better before
  4. 01:31:366 (3,4) - This jump is a bit hard compared to the rest of the map :arrow: changed slider direction a bit to make it easier
Mostly just comments, nothing in dire need of fixing as far as I can see.



Special

  1. 00:03:323 (2,5) - Slightly off positioning? Could put 5 directly on top of where 2 was and would like more polished :arrow: yup
  2. 01:28:758 (2,3) - This confused my brain but I guess it's fine with the style of the map :D :arrow: stacked it instead
  3. 00:11:801 (1,2) - This jump is huge compared to 00:12:997 (1,2) , when they're the same part of the song really, idk how big an issue that is :arrow: moved the note slightly
  4. 00:16:149 (1) - Could have some cool triple or back+forth here and some other places where the diddlydoo plays rather than always kicksliders :arrow: not following that track since i feel like if i did, it would end up being the exact same thing except replace the slider with a 1/6 repeat and it limits patterns i feel
Very cool map, I love the hitsounds in this.

Overall good job, very cool set gl with rank! & sorry for taking a year to give you back a mod :)
thank you for your mod!
tatemae
836 posts
Joined November 2014
tatemae
hi

Special
00:01:367 (1,2) - stack?
00:43:866 (5,1,2,3) - ^
00:54:627 (2) - ctrl+g?
01:50:497 (3) - try moving to x: 412 y: 220 to improve flow

gl~
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

SherryCherry wrote:

hi

Special
00:01:367 (1,2) - stack? :arrow:not sure if your referring to 00:01:367 (1,4) - but i fixed that
00:43:866 (5,1,2,3) - ^ :arrow: again maybe this? 00:43:866 (5,4) - but i fixed that
00:54:627 (2) - ctrl+g? :arrow: why?
01:50:497 (3) - try moving to x: 412 y: 220 to improve flow :arrow: remapped the section since i was meaning to anyway

gl~
thank you!
cisphobia
136 posts
Joined July 2012
cisphobia
my mod from my queue

Special


The AR is kinda low. Maybe you can increase it to 9.3 or something and see if you like the results? Sometimes in play it gets a bit cluttered and hard to read ;p

00:12:127 (2) - I think you should move this hitcircle somewhere else. In the middle of the slider it looks like it doesn't belong

00:30:062 (2,3) - Maybe curve these a bit, it'l match the sliders before

00:32:344 (2,3) - Even these out to make a straighter followpoint

00:37:453 (1,2,1,2) - Move these a bit closer, it feels a bit overmapped

00:40:932 (1,2,1,2) - Same^

01:34:627 (5) - This slider looks like it doesn't fit

01:51:584 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - You should make these either zig-zag? cause the stacking looks bad. Or replace them with slider jumps

sorry for short mod on this diff ;o it's already really good, just needs some small tune-ups on aesthetics

Insane


00:02:236 (5,6,7,8,9) - I feel like you should be adding a repeating slider or stream like you did in special. Just letting this part of the song slip through feels weird during play. It's a very prominent sound, so it should be mapped. This goes for all continued parts of the song ;p

00:30:497 (1,2,3,4) - This + all other streams like this should be spaced out a bit more. A slow stream never looks good (to me), spacing it a bit makes it harder + looks nicer

01:15:714 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - These big spacings just look bad next to the close ones. You should either make these closer; or make the closer ones bigger.

This diff. plays well and is already quite polished, esp. for this type of map style

Hyper Collab


00:09:845 (7) - Not alligned to slider ;o

00:20:497 (1,2,3,4,5) - These jumps feel weird, cause there are no jumps before. Maybe you can add some before this?

00:35:497 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - You should replace the first 2 notes with a slider.

00:47:454 (5) - weird slider woah, should repeat on red tick

00:48:975 (3) - Make it not overlap the next slider, because the slider before this one did not overlap. So why should this one? ;p

01:07:888 (2,3,4) - I think these jumps may be too big for someone playing hyper. Not even in the insane diff. were there jumps this slow and big.

Again, this diff. is already really good. ;o

Normal


00:37:019 (2) - Maybe you should replace this with just jumps rather than a repeating slider. Throughout this whole section of this song, there are no other repeating sliders.

01:11:366 (1,2,1,2,1,1,2,1) - These sliders should end on a white tick, they sound weird when ending on red.

01:20:062 (1) - new combo/remove this combo

01:21:801 (3) - new combo if you do this^

01:23:540 (2) - new combo if you do this^

01:11:366 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - That way your combo is 1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2 instead of 1,2,1,2,1,1,2,1

01:51:584 (1,2,3,4) - Change to a small square to make the player move a bit. It is the ending, after all.
I have almost no problems with this diff, it's a nicely mapped normal.

EZ


0 problems with the easy xd

Sorry for short mods! All the diffs. are already really polished and such. They all play well and have good flow.

Good luck ranking! ;) ;)
6th
616 posts
Joined December 2014
6th
Hello !

00:09:845 (7) - Not alligned to slider ;o Intended because (6) is not aligned to previous slider either
00:35:497 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - You should replace the first 2 notes with a slider. The pitch is clearly changing
01:07:888 (2,3,4) - I think these jumps may be too big for someone playing hyper. Not even in the insane diff. were there jumps this slow and big. No I think they're fine tbh since it's 1/1 jump

Thank you !
Naxess
Nomination Assessment Team
390 posts
Joined March 2016
Naxess
sonic8889

sonic8889 wrote:

00:20:497 (1,2,3,4,5) - These jumps feel weird, cause there are no jumps before. Maybe you can add some before this?

6th mapped the part before this, so it's up to him whether there should be jumps in his part or not.
I'll keep the jumps because I think they fit well. There are also similar jumps near the end, so it's not completely inconsistent.

00:47:454 (5) - weird slider woah, should repeat on red tick

There's actually a sound on the blue tick which I'm trying to follow.
Previous and following parts with this sound on the blue tick such as 00:44:301 - , 00:51:258 - and 00:54:736 - all have objects on them, in this case, slider ends.
It wouldn't really make sense to map the red tick in this part of the measure, since none of the parallel beats to this one of the hypermeasure are mapped.

00:48:975 (3) - Make it not overlap the next slider, because the slider before this one did not overlap. So why should this one? ;p

Definitely a fair point. I'll probably fix it later; one negligible change like this isn't really enough to update the whole GD with lol
EDIT: Fixed together with Pentori's mod.
Replied to the parts I mapped.
Thanks!
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kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

sonic8889 wrote:

my mod from my queue

Special


The AR is kinda low. Maybe you can increase it to 9.3 or something and see if you like the results? Sometimes in play it gets a bit cluttered and hard to read ;p :arrow: i'll think about it

00:12:127 (2) - I think you should move this hitcircle somewhere else. In the middle of the slider it looks like it doesn't belong :arrow: changed the slider instead

00:30:062 (2,3) - Maybe curve these a bit, it'l match the sliders before :arrow: i'll think about it but i think it wont match the pattern after if i do. i fixed up the ncing so it should be a bit better now anyway

00:32:344 (2,3) - Even these out to make a straighter followpoint :arrow: not sure what you mean

00:37:453 (1,2,1,2) - Move these a bit closer, it feels a bit overmapped :arrow: i dont think its necessary,and i dont think overmapped is the right word here :P

00:40:932 (1,2,1,2) - Same^ :arrow: ^

01:34:627 (5) - This slider looks like it doesn't fit :arrow: adjusted it slightly

01:51:584 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - You should make these either zig-zag? cause the stacking looks bad. Or replace them with slider jumps :arrow: dont think its necessary

sorry for short mod on this diff ;o it's already really good, just needs some small tune-ups on aesthetics

Insane


00:02:236 (5,6,7,8,9) - I feel like you should be adding a repeating slider or stream like you did in special. Just letting this part of the song slip through feels weird during play. It's a very prominent sound, so it should be mapped. This goes for all continued parts of the song ;p :arrow: i dont want to introduce 1/6 rhythm into this difficulty, and i think that the current representation is fine.

00:30:497 (1,2,3,4) - This + all other streams like this should be spaced out a bit more. A slow stream never looks good (to me), spacing it a bit makes it harder + looks nicerno need

01:15:714 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - These big spacings just look bad next to the close ones. You should either make these closer; or make the closer ones bigger. :arrow: i'll keep it for now until i can think of something else to do, but i personally dont think its that bad

This diff. plays well and is already quite polished, esp. for this type of map style

Hyper Collab


00:09:845 (7) - Not alligned to slider ;o

00:20:497 (1,2,3,4,5) - These jumps feel weird, cause there are no jumps before. Maybe you can add some before this?

00:35:497 (5,6,7,8,9,10) - You should replace the first 2 notes with a slider.

00:47:454 (5) - weird slider woah, should repeat on red tick

00:48:975 (3) - Make it not overlap the next slider, because the slider before this one did not overlap. So why should this one? ;p

01:07:888 (2,3,4) - I think these jumps may be too big for someone playing hyper. Not even in the insane diff. were there jumps this slow and big.

Again, this diff. is already really good. ;o

Normal


00:37:019 (2) - Maybe you should replace this with just jumps rather than a repeating slider. Throughout this whole section of this song, there are no other repeating sliders. :arrow: sure

01:11:366 (1,2,1,2,1,1,2,1) - These sliders should end on a white tick, they sound weird when endin on red. :arrow: i think its fine

01:20:062 (1) - new combo/remove this combo

01:21:801 (3) - new combo if you do this^

01:23:540 (2) - new combo if you do this^

01:11:366 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - That way your combo is 1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2 instead of 1,2,1,2,1,1,2,1 :arrow: nice catch

01:51:584 (1,2,3,4) - Change to a small square to make the player move a bit. It is the ending, after all.
I have almost no problems with this diff, it's a nicely mapped normal. :arrow: i'll think about it

EZ


0 problems with the easy xd

Sorry for short mods! All the diffs. are already really polished and such. They all play well and have good flow.

Good luck ranking! ;) ;)
thank you for your mod!
Pentori
1,157 posts
Joined November 2015
Pentori
nm

[General]
check AIMod for inconsistencies in preview time and errors in distance snap for easy + normal. these errors must be fixed before it is ranked
check ur hp settings. currently it's not well spread out
1 | 4 | 7 | 6 | 7
try something like
2 | 4 | 6 | 6 | 7 or maybe 2 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7

[Easy]
fix all spacing errors
00:03:541 - i don't really get why you left this beat out. there is clearly still music i think you should add notes here. also you included this note here 00:07:888 (5) - so its a bit strange
00:17:019 (3,4,1) - could make this pattern neater if you made a triangle pattern and fixed up the blanket http://puu.sh/pNnHY/9dedd9b9c3.jpg
00:26:584 (2,3) - spacing
00:32:671 (2,3) - ^
00:33:541 (3) - based on the way you previously nc'd this should be a nc. u decide on the way you want to nc and make it consistent
00:56:150 (4,5) - no finishes?
00:58:758 (2,3) - flows strangely. i would rotate 00:58:758 (2) - by like 30 degrees and adjust
01:30:932 - i wouldn't ignore these beats given its kiai time and density should be higher. other stuff like 01:35:280 - 01:41:367 - u also missed so u should fix all these
01:49:627 (1,1) - this isn't enough recovery time. you need at least 4 beats in easy. i would be better to map instead of using a spinner

[Normal]
loads of distance errors here and some unsnapped objects
00:06:584 (1,2) - use the next slider to blanket the previous. http://puu.sh/pNod7/86c53e2d34.jpg
00:43:106 (1,2,3) - these feel way to dense to be in a normal diff and belong to something like hard. you should do rhythms like http://puu.sh/pNopm/b4599cac3a.jpg so that it's more appropriate to the difficulty
01:11:366 (1) - it feels like these sliders aren't ending on the correct sound. i reckon they should end somewhere like 01:12:236 . also spacing is all over the place
01:35:714 (2,3) - fix blanket
01:36:149 (3,4,5) - this is so dense compared to what you did earlier 01:29:193 (3,4,5)
01:38:323 (3,1) - spacing
01:51:584 (1,2,3,4,1) - people won't be able to notice the gap in rhythm when you stack like this

[Hyper Collab]
why is this called hyper when you don't have hard? or maybe it's a reference to the game i don't know about.
hm, after playing this it felt a lot more like a light insane. you should add another diff to bridge the gap between normal and hyper as your current spread doesn't feel suitable. hyper utilities blue tick rhythm and streams way too much in comparison to none being used in the normal and doesn't feel right for players that are trying to advanced to the next level.
00:03:758 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - tbh i would incorporate sliders into this pattern as you never returned to using three triplets in a row throughout the map.
00:20:932 (3,4,5) - make this a triangle
00:23:106 (4,5,6) - you should resume using your ordinary way of stacking as this is strange in comparison
00:47:236 (3,4,5) - seems too spaced to lead into a longer slider
01:20:497 (2,3) - don't overlap these?
01:54:440 - dont need that last timing line

[Insane]
needs ar9. way too cluttered
00:56:149 (5,1) - finishes
01:12:562 - 01:15:171 - u missed a lot of triplets in the music which hyper has used and therefore you should

[Special]
ar 9.3 or 9.4
00:14:410 (1) - nc for reading
00:43:106 (1,2,3) - distance rapidly drops here. 00:43:106 (1,2) - is way too big of a jump
same as what i said for insane about missing triplets
01:38:323 (3) - finish
01:40:280 (2,3) - surprising you didn't have finishes or claps like u did earlier 00:58:106 (2,3) - when this section is more intense
Naxess
Nomination Assessment Team
390 posts
Joined March 2016
Naxess
Pentori

Pentori wrote:

[General]
check AIMod for inconsistencies in preview time

Moved audio preview time to 01:24:845 - to match other difficulties.

[Hyper Collab]
why is this called hyper when you don't have hard? or maybe it's a reference to the game i don't know about.
hm, after playing this it felt a lot more like a light insane. you should add another diff to bridge the gap between normal and hyper as your current spread doesn't feel suitable. hyper utilities blue tick rhythm and streams way too much in comparison to none being used in the normal and doesn't feel right for players that are trying to advanced to the next level.

I definitely agree with this.
The map was never made to fill the gap between Normal and Insane. During the creation of Hyper, the Hard difficulty, created by kwk, was still present.
Hard had an SR of ~2.8
Insane had an SR of ~4.3
So we were basically aiming for ~3.55 SR
When hard was removed I was a bit worried that our map wouldn't fit the spread properly and I still am. At one point the idea that we should rename our map to "Hard" came up, which I instantly rejected, because our map was definitely closer to an insane than a hard.

This does not fit in a Hard lol


If a Hard difficulty is being planned, I would suggest aiming for 2.87 SR.
Hyper 3.51 SR, Normal 2.23 SR.
(3.51 + 2.23) / 2 = 2.87

00:20:932 (3,4,5) - make this a triangle

Larger spacing at 00:21:149 (4,5) - than 00:20:932 (3,4) - is intentional. I'm following the pitch incrementation.
00:20:497 (1,2,3,4,5) - Spacing increases 1.10x -(+0.14)-> 1.24x -(+0.18)-> 1.42 -(+0.22)-> 1.64

00:23:106 (4,5,6) - you should resume using your ordinary way of stacking as this is strange in comparison

It's a bit strange, I agree. I tried to copy 6th's previous way of streaming, but now that it's gone I guess it'll only cause inconsistency.
Plus I feel it's a bit harsh at the moment. Changed to a straight stream instead.
EDIT: Stacked a circle on the following 1/2 slider instead of having a stream here.

00:47:236 (3,4,5) - seems too spaced to lead into a longer slider

I don't really see how you're thinking or what your arguments are... so I'm going to guess them.

"The stream's momentum is faster than that of your slider velocity, which causes a sudden slow-down when the slider is reached."
No, that's not right. The stream is spaced 1.0x, so it's going to be the same speed.

"You never used such spaced streams in any other parts of the song and as such this causes inconsistency."
No, that's not right either. There's a lot of other examples of inconsistency, because of the very nature of collaborating.

"This could get confusing, because of the fact that they're almost spaced like 1/2 and could be mistaken as such."
After fixing the other overlap problems regarding 1/2 gapped circles, the overlaps here should indicate it being 1/4 properly.

"It doesn't look good in my opinion."
I don't see why it'd look bad, so I don't really know what to make of this. I mean there are no arguments for it looking bad either... xD

01:20:497 (2,3) - don't overlap these?

I agree, they're not 1/4 gapped so there's no reason to overlap them like all other 1/4s.

01:54:440 - dont need that last timing line

Can't remember it's purpose; removed.

Replied to my parts.
6th, if you're about to change anything, apply the update first.

Updated
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6th
616 posts
Joined December 2014
6th
Hyper name is okay according to what the map contains. Using short streams at such bpm is fine for a 3,5*-ish diff

00:03:758 (3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - tbh i would incorporate sliders into this pattern as you never returned to using three triplets in a row throughout the map. It's easier to get the rhythm like that
_Stan
Beatmap Nominator
767 posts
Joined June 2012
_Stan
Hey from my modq and mod N H I just you want~

[Normal]
Check Ai mod and fixed these problems
cs 4? it's up to you ( I think cs of NM is a big gap with cs of Hyper, don't you think? )

00:12:671 (3,4) - I think you'd better not overlap it, cuz it's not good for NM and there 00:26:584 (3,4) - you not overlap them so keep same
00:17:888 (2,3) - blanket it better?
00:55:280 (1,3) - ^
01:32:671 (2,3,4) - make them regular triangle?
01:38:323 (3,1) - it's good idea but ds 0.66 maybe mislead player for NM

[Hyper Collab]
Check Ai mod and fixed these problems

00:15:280 (1) - keep ds 0.8 just like 00:18:758 (1,2,3,4) -
00:29:519 (2) - ds is to long
00:43:541 (2,3) - 00:43:975 (4,5) - make same ds? cuz there no special different with music why change ds?
00:48:975 (3) - ds
00:50:823 (3,4,5) - same with third points
00:52:236 (2,3,4) - make them parallel?
pic
00:54:301 (4,5,6) - ds
01:00:062 (6,4) - how about overlap?
01:13:758 (2) - ds
01:20:932 (3) - keep ds same with 01:19:845 (5) -
01:23:106 (5) - slider should stop at there
01:23:867 - have a sound here
01:34:410 (3,2) - blanket?
01:44:410 (1,2) - blanket it better
01:47:019 (4) - ds same with 01:46:149 (1,2) -

[Insane]
Check Ai mod and fixed these problems

00:13:106 (1,1) - if there, you don't overlap it, don't overlap it 00:13:323 (2,2) - / or overlap them both
00:17:888 (1,3) - blanket it better
00:19:845 (2,3) - ^
00:50:062 (5,6) - ^
00:43:867 - have a sound here
00:47:345 - ^
00:54:301 - ^
01:10:388 - and 01:10:443 - I think you can make a slider like
pic
01:25:171 - have a sound here
01:25:171 - ctrl+G?
01:45:714 (3) - have sounds here

nice map and good luck :)
Naxess
Nomination Assessment Team
390 posts
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Naxess
_Stan

_Stan wrote:

[Hyper Collab]
Check Ai mod and fixed these problems
Yeah these were basically already fixed, just waiting for kwk to update.

00:15:280 (1) - keep ds 0.8 just like 00:18:758 (1,2,3,4) -
Now uses DS 0.8x instead of 0.6x
00:29:519 (2) - ds is to long <-- 6th will reply to these.
00:43:541 (2,3) - 00:43:975 (4,5) - make same ds? cuz there no special different with music why change ds?
Listen to the pitch, 00:43:867 - is higher than 00:44:410 - , which is why it has larger spacing.
00:48:975 (3) - ds
Intentional, higher pitch.
00:50:823 (3,4,5) - same with third points
00:52:236 (2,3,4) - make them parallel?

Actually already parallel, but moved it up a bit.
00:54:301 (4,5,6) - ds
Now using DS 0.8x.
01:00:062 (6,4) - how about overlap?
They are not overlapping, but I'm assuming you are suggesting I stack them.
Honestly I see no point in that, they are far enough away on the timeline to not see both at the same time.
01:13:758 (2) - ds
It's fine. Could still argue that one sound is stronger than the other.
01:20:932 (3) - keep ds same with 01:19:845 (5) -
This is also fine. Pitch is still different.
01:23:106 (5) - slider should stop at there
Not sure what you mean. You pointed out a slider, which automatically sets the position to it's head, meaning you can't point things out like that.
I'm going to guess.
"This 01:23:106 - should be a slider tail, starting from 01:22:888 - "
It's higher pitch, which is why I think it's stronger than 01:22:888 - , which is also why I made it clickable.
"This slider 01:23:106 (5) - should end at 01:23:323 - "
It's intentionally a 1/4th longer to bring emphasis to the guitar played at 01:23:541 - .
01:23:867 - have a sound here
Oh, but there's a sound at 01:22:127 - too, and 01:17:780 - .
I believe these are weaker than the other sounds, and as such there is no need to map them in a calm section like this.
01:34:410 (3,2) - blanket?
01:44:410 (1,2) - blanket it better
Tweaked it a little.
01:47:019 (4) - ds same with 01:46:149 (1,2) -
Now using DS 1.0x.

Thanks for checking DS and blankets

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6th
616 posts
Joined December 2014
6th
00:29:519 (2) - ds is to long Not really, the first object is a reverse slider so it should be fine

01:34:410 (3,2) - blanket? There's nothing to blanket ):
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk
pentori

Pentori wrote:

nm

[General]
check AIMod for inconsistencies in preview time and errors in distance snap for easy + normal. these errors must be fixed before it is ranked
check ur hp settings. currently it's not well spread out
1 | 4 | 7 | 6 | 7
try something like
2 | 4 | 6 | 6 | 7 or maybe 2 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7

[Easy]
fix all spacing errors
00:03:541 - i don't really get why you left this beat out. there is clearly still music i think you should add notes here. also you included this note here 00:07:888 (5) - so its a bit strange
00:17:019 (3,4,1) - could make this pattern neater if you made a triangle pattern and fixed up the blanket http://puu.sh/pNnHY/9dedd9b9c3.jpg
00:26:584 (2,3) - spacing
00:32:671 (2,3) - ^
00:33:541 (3) - based on the way you previously nc'd this should be a nc. u decide on the way you want to nc and make it consistent
00:56:150 (4,5) - no finishes? :arrow: im not good at consistent hitsounding :(
00:58:758 (2,3) - flows strangely. i would rotate 00:58:758 (2) - by like 30 degrees and adjust :arrow: sure, changed slider shape to fit with ds
01:30:932 - i wouldn't ignore these beats given its kiai time and density should be higher. other stuff like 01:35:280 - 01:41:367 - u also missed so u should fix all these
01:49:627 (1,1) - this isn't enough recovery time. you need at least 4 beats in easy. i would be better to map instead of using a spinner

[Normal]
loads of distance errors here and some unsnapped objects :arrow:
00:06:584 (1,2) - use the next slider to blanket the previous. http://puu.sh/pNod7/86c53e2d34.jpg
00:43:106 (1,2,3) - these feel way to dense to be in a normal diff and belong to something like hard. you should do rhythms like [/color]http://puu.sh/pNopm/b4599cac3a.jpg so that it's more appropriate to the difficulty :arrow: i think it should be fine, i reduced the spacing but its just a simple 1/2 rhythm, i dont think its too difficult.
01:11:366 (1) - it feels like these sliders aren't ending on the correct sound. i reckon they should end somewhere like 01:12:236 . also spacing is all over the place :arrow: i'll deal with these later, im not too good at slider art to try fixing them atm
01:35:714 (2,3) - fix blanket
01:36:149 (3,4,5) - this is so dense compared to what you did earlier 01:29:193 (3,4,5) :arrow: matches the build up to the end of kiai
01:38:323 (3,1) - spacing
01:51:584 (1,2,3,4,1) - people won't be able to notice the gap in rhythm when you stack like this

[Hyper Collab]
why is this called hyper when you don't have hard? or maybe it's a reference to the game i don't know about.
hm, after playing this it felt a lot more like a light insane. you should add another diff to bridge the gap between normal and hyper as your current spread doesn't feel suitable. hyper utilities blue tick rhythm and streams way too much in comparison to none being used in the normal and doesn't feel right for players that are trying to advanced to the next level. :arrow: i'll get some opinions on spread, im not too sure myself

[Insane]
needs ar9. way too cluttered
00:56:149 (5,1) - finishes
01:12:562 - 01:15:171 - u missed a lot of triplets in the music which hyper has used and therefore you should :arrow: i dont think hyper used triplets either? they were represented with repeats but i dont think its necessary

[Special]
ar 9.3 or 9.4 :arrow: changed to 9.3
00:14:410 (1) - nc for reading :arrow: i dont think this is necessary
00:43:106 (1,2,3) - distance rapidly drops here. 00:43:106 (1,2) - is way too big of a jump :arrow: balanced out the ds
same as what i said for insane about missing triplets :arrow: same
01:38:323 (3) - finish
01:40:280 (2,3) - surprising you didn't have finishes or claps like u did earlier 00:58:106 (2,3) - when this section is more intense

_Stan

_Stan wrote:

Hey from my modq and mod N H I just you want~

[Normal]
Check Ai mod and fixed these problems
cs 4? it's up to you ( I think cs of NM is a big gap with cs of Hyper, don't you think? ) :arrow: ya, changed to cs 3 and fixed the dsing a long the way

00:12:671 (3,4) - I think you'd better not overlap it, cuz it's not good for NM and there 00:26:584 (3,4) - you not overlap them so keep same
00:17:888 (2,3) - blanket it better?
00:55:280 (1,3) - ^
01:32:671 (2,3,4) - make them regular triangle?
01:38:323 (3,1) - it's good idea but ds 0.66 maybe mislead player for NM

[Insane]
Check Ai mod and fixed these problems

00:13:106 (1,1) - if there, you don't overlap it, don't overlap it 00:13:323 (2,2) - / or overlap them both
00:17:888 (1,3) - blanket it better
00:19:845 (2,3) - ^
00:50:062 (5,6) - ^
00:43:867 - have a sound here :arrow: my patterns :cry: added a note
00:47:345 - ^ :arrow: ^
00:54:301 - ^ :arrow: ^
01:10:388 - and 01:10:443 - I think you can make a slider likei'll think about it but maybe a bit too sudden i think
01:25:171 - have a sound here
01:25:171 - ctrl+G? :arrow: no need
01:45:714 (3) - have sounds here :arrow: ?

nice map and good luck :)
no reply = fixed
thank you for your mods! ended up remapping normal a bit (again) so maybe its a bit cleaner now hopefully
Flower
1,723 posts
Joined August 2011
Flower
Hi

[Special]
I am not familiar with large spacing 1/4 jump with large circles, so I'll try my best to give some subjective nazi suggestions
00:57:019 - 01:11:367 - this part does not quite fit with consecutive 1/4 sliders. my suggestion will be this map:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/119779. You can refer to 00:33:351 - 00:59:601 - in the map. Using some creative rhythm will improve you map greatly. In addition, you could use S:C2 finish and clap in the map, which fits your map as well.
00:30:497 (1,2,3,4,1) and so on - use higher spacing?

[Insane]
00:11:801 (1,2,3) - using 3/4 slider plays and sounds better
00:14:845 (5) - using finish instead of clap sounds cool
00:21:584 (2,3) - use slider to cover the 1/6 sound?
00:28:758 (5) - same to above, finish?
00:35:714 (7) - (nazi) stretch to 3/4? sounds cool
00:42:236 (1,2) - use 1/8 slider instead?
00:46:149 (3,4,5) - try this? delete 5, then add whistle on 4. this gives a better feel just like a comma in the sentence. (sorry for the bad metaphor)
00:53:106 (2,3,4) - ^
00:57:019 - 01:00:497 - as I said in previous diff, you could try some custom rhythm, for example:
SPOILER
original picture
The same applies to 01:00:497 - 01:07:454 -
01:16:584 (1) - Use 3/4 slider instead?

[Collab Hyper]
I think the diff is not complete. Consider adding hitsounds.
00:02:236 (5,6,7,1,2,3) - The rhythm is weird because it does not follow obvious "x xxx xxx xxx" drum in the background. Consider using triples

Others are ok imo.

Good luck~
6th
616 posts
Joined December 2014
6th
Hmm well I could add a circle at 00:02:997 - indeed, but that would become a bit hard to tap
kwk
572 posts
Joined May 2010
Topic Starter
kwk

Flower wrote:

Hi

[Special]
I am not familiar with large spacing 1/4 jump with large circles, so I'll try my best to give some subjective nazi suggestions
00:57:019 - 01:11:367 - this part does not quite fit with consecutive 1/4 sliders. my suggestion will be this map:
https://osu.ppy.sh/s/119779. You can refer to 00:33:351 - 00:59:601 - in the map. Using some creative rhythm will improve you map greatly. :arrow: i took your suggestion and tried it myself, but im unsure as to how it fits in with the rest of the map, as it is i do think it can give a strange sense of discomfort since it plays rather differently to the rest of the map despite sounding a bit similar to the intro. i'll be leaving it in for now for other modders to look at.In addition, you could use S:C2 finish and clap in the map, which fits your map as well. :arrow: maybe if i decide to rehitsound i'll look into it
00:30:497 (1,2,3,4,1) and so on - use higher spacing? :arrow: i dont think higher spacing is necessary

[Insane]
00:11:801 (1,2,3) - using 3/4 slider plays and sounds better :arrow: nice
00:14:845 (5) - using finish instead of clap sounds cool :arrow: yup
00:21:584 (2,3) - use slider to cover the 1/6 sound? :arrow: no need i think
00:28:758 (5) - same to above, finish? yup
00:35:714 (7) - (nazi) stretch to 3/4? sounds coolsounds cool indeed
00:42:236 (1,2) - use 1/8 slider instead?sure
00:46:149 (3,4,5) - try this? delete 5, then add whistle on 4. this gives a better feel just like a comma in the sentence. (sorry for the bad metaphor) :arrow: tried it, dont think it gives a better feel lol,i'll keep it in mind for future maps though, thanks for this!
00:53:106 (2,3,4) - ^ ^
00:57:019 - 01:00:497 - as I said in previous diff, you could try some custom rhythm, for example:
SPOILER
original picture
The same applies to 01:00:497 - 01:07:454 - :arrow: i'll give this a try depending on feedback i get from extra
01:16:584 (1) - Use 3/4 slider instead? :arrow: ok

[Collab Hyper]
I think the diff is not complete. Consider adding hitsounds.
00:02:236 (5,6,7,1,2,3) - The rhythm is weird because it does not follow obvious "x xxx xxx xxx" drum in the background. Consider using triples

Others are ok imo.

Good luck~
Thanks for your mod, gave me a lot to think about
Sakurauchi Riko
1,579 posts
Joined January 2015
Sakurauchi Riko
Heyo, random mod from #modreqs (no need to m4m because none of my 2 maps are in modding status)

Special
This diff is already really well done imo, I'll give you some suggestions of mine
00:26:149 (3) - how about making a curve before the red anchor so it flows better. Like this http://puu.sh/pYZuG/29fd987d07.jpg (adjust the blanket a little bit at the curve after the red anchor)
00:30:822 (4,1) - this has higher spacing (x1.45) than 00:30:605 (2,3) - (x1.00) which is awkward to follow with your cursor. i recommend to make same or at least lower DS there
00:38:540 (4) - personal thing: make this shape look a bit cleaner and maybe not too bent
00:39:518 (4,1) - (x1.88) hmmm for consistency (which is important in an alternate tapping map imo): make this the same DS like at 00:32:561 (4,1) - (x1.40)
since its the same music (i recommend to apply this all over the map)
00:42:236 (1,1) - it sounds better if you make 1/1 sliders instead of a simple circle because it emphasizes the special sound in the music
00:56:366 (2,1) - DS way too high imo (well that also may count for 00:56:910 (4,1) - )
01:20:171 - do you really want to get that sound covered by the slider? just a note here~
01:31:366 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,5) - I just loveeeee that!! :D

Overall a really nice map but maybe you can take an advantage of using more consistent DS, e.g. 00:15:280 (1,2,3) - this feels way more pleasant with same DS. Also make sure your sliders and slidercurves look clean and try to make a bit more flow related things (especially in alternate tapping maps its really important to have very much of it in it)

Well.. thats it for me I guess, since it is a free mod I leave it now. Really like the song and map so keep it up! :D
GL with your map and happy mapping! (:
Fraye
77 posts
Joined December 2014
Fraye
hi, m4m

Easy
http://puu.sh/pYZwJ/43ff5ac3dd.png very minor but consider fixing

Normal
00:59:627 (1) - remove NC here or add NC to 01:03:106 (3) - since those parts in the music are identical
00:28:758 (1) - make the downbeat clickable? consider this rhythm for 00:28:323 (2,1) -http://puu.sh/pZ02g/240fb4972a.jpg
00:31:801 (1,1) - these are some questionable NCs, same here 00:40:497 (1) - ;I recommend switching NCs with the following:
*00:31:801 (1,3) -
*00:39:627 (4,1) -
*01:28:323 (1,2) -
remove NC here 00:33:540 (1) - here 00:52:671 (1) - here 00:59:627 (1) - here 01:40:062 (1) - and here 01:41:801 (1) -

Hyper Collab
Cleanest diff in the mapset imo :)
Waiting for hitsounds~

Insane
Your hitsounding is nice :D
Nothing for me to point out xd

Special
I'm too noob to mod this ;_;

Nazi mod.inc
Good luck on approval! :D
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