toby fox - Hopes and Dreams · forum

Fatfan Kolek

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2016-02-07T15:06:08+00:00

This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Montag, 18. September 2017 at 21:15:31

Artist: toby fox
Title: Hopes and Dreams
Source: UNDERTALE
Tags: Little CloudSplash16 Mazziv Rumia- MoeMoeKyunNN asriel dreemurr
BPM: 170,68
Filesize: 5913kb
Play Time: 02:57
Difficulties Available:

Determination (5,33 stars, 701 notes)
Easy (1,38 stars, 168 notes)
Little's Normal (1,95 stars, 239 notes)
Maz' Hard (3,38 stars, 376 notes)
Rumi's Insane (4,38 stars, 568 notes)

Download: toby fox - Hopes and Dreams
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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You can also check out my other UNDERTALE and DELTARUNE maps!

Hopes and Dreams
Megalovania Dual Mix
Spider Dance
Finale
Last Goodbye
THE WORLD REVOLVING
Chaos King

Last edited by Fatfan Kolek 2019-05-14T19:35:39+00:00, edited 88 times in total.

VINXIS

Featured Artist

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Joined April 2014

VINXIS 2016-03-24T05:23:51+00:00

playtested and talked about the 1 pattern that plays a bit wried

Fatfan Kolek

590 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2016-03-24T05:24:50+00:00

VINXIS wrote:
playtested and talked about the 1 pattern that plays a bit wried

thanks for testing! will update

sahuang

2,294 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2016-03-29T00:36:26+00:00

M4M(My english is bad so don't mind if i make mistakes in expressing ideas

[General]

Disable widescreen support in Little's and Rumi's diffs

[Little's Normal]

00:18:364 (2) - i think you should make the hitsound a little bit lower(like 20%) here: 00:19:067 - since there is no sound
01:06:142 (5,1) - too empty,maybe you can add another note 01:06:845 - ?

[Rumi's Insane]

OD -0.5? Since it's only 4.2 stars
00:00:084 (1,2) - guess it's too far away compared to 00:00:787 (3,4,1,2) -
you can ctrl+G 00:00:084 (1) -
00:08:520 (1,2) - and 00:09:224 (3,4) - i think the distance is not enough and people will make it 1/4 rather than 2/4
also try NC 00:09:224 (3) -
00:37:316 (3) - you can still make it higher, and i dont understand why 7 dots for a slider?
01:04:560 (4) - delete
01:34:617 (3,6) - stack?
01:39:187 (5,6,7) - stack them together is better than 01:38:835 (3,4,6) -
01:46:921 (1,2,3,4,5) - i suggest 01:47:097 (2,4) - stack
02:44:398 (1,4) - stack?
Rumiao god: teach me how to map on qq pls (runaway

[Determination]

01:05:264 (2,3,4,5) - not very good-looking. try to use slider instead of 01:05:615 (4,5) - ?
02:48:616 (2,1) - a little bit far away
02:56:877 (3,4) - maybe slider again cuz you use sliders 02:54:768 (3,3,3) - and i think the music is the same ^^

Hope it helps:)
I will link my map by forum/in-game pm!

Fatfan Kolek

590 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2016-03-29T07:02:15+00:00

sahuang wrote:
[Determination]
01:05:264 (2,3,4,5) - not very good-looking. try to use slider instead of 01:05:615 (4,5) - ? looks good to me
02:48:616 (2,1) - a little bit far away It's for the extra emphasis hehe
02:56:877 (3,4) - maybe slider again cuz you use sliders 02:54:768 (3,3,3) - and i think the music is the same ^^ Didn't add a slider, but replaced the jumps as a star pattern

Hope it helps:) Thanks! :3
I will link my map by forum/in-game pm!

Konraduser

13 posts

Joined April 2015

Konraduser 2016-04-03T18:55:37+00:00

Hey,
I'm really bad at moderating and pointing what's wrong.
I've played Determination for first time ssomething like a month ago and it was one of my favourite maps till recently;
I don't know what you changed anymore but right now it's completely unplaayable for me ;/

If getting map approved means destroying it like in this case then it's not worth ... I regret updating ;/

Obviously it's just my opinion, I may be bulshitting in some ppl's eyes but if you have older versions - go ahead and compare them.

Edit: Use 22 500 offset or something like that. Both bpm and offset are wrong

YellowManul

429 posts

Joined December 2010

YellowManul 2017-01-14T09:43:14+00:00

hello

Little's Normal

00:29:582 (3,4) - fix blanket a little bit
00:56:299 (1) - i'd curve the end of this slider to better flow , idk => http://puu.sh/tlRLc/b34b72002b.jpg
01:49:733 (1,4) - hmm, looks kinda overlap :[ i'd Ctrl+ J 01:51:139 (4) - and blanket with 01:49:733 (1) -
02:38:773 (4) - short this slider to red tick and add circle to the white one http://puu.sh/tlRWQ/a3440cac8a.jpg
02:57:229 (1) - hs volume here is 50% smh, should be 5 i think?

Rumi's Insane
00:01:314 (4,1) - I'd put circle a little bit closer to the previous slider for aesthetics and you dont really need a jump here (like, consistant spacing here is 1,7x ?)
00:09:927 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - this combo spam doesnt make any sense tbh :[
00:25:364 (1) - add one more point to this curve slider, like a large straight section on this looke weird, smth like this => http://puu.sh/tlS6Q/07da4eaecd.jpg
00:30:285 (6,8) - fix blanket ;w;
00:30:988 (1) - not really accurate slider either, make these parts look equal by length (i mean start and ending, hope you understood ;w;)
00:45:929 (4,4) - and next sliders like these at this moment of song - they sound much better like this => http://puu.sh/tlSeC/cbbc4bda02.jpg
01:17:216 (1,2,3) - fix the flow here, like pattern looks better like this => http://puu.sh/tlShs/d73ac13670.jpg (put circle and last slider a little bit down pwp)
01:25:829 (5) - i'd fix this one by moving tail a little bit left http://puu.sh/tlSjm/a878540b65.jpg
01:55:709 (5,7) - fix blanket
01:57:467 (4,5) - ^
01:58:873 (3,6) - you could stack these
02:00:982 (4,6) - ^
02:09:068 (5,1) - fix blanket owo
02:32:797 (2) - straight slider looks just neater, imo http://puu.sh/tlSpE/b33c172473.jpg
02:41:585 (6) - this overlap is really not well ;w; i'd CTRL+G this one
everything else is ok

Determination
00:00:084 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - combo spam for no reason :[ (next one too)
00:39:777 (1,3) - fix this blanket
00:45:929 (3,4) - triple here looks neater http://puu.sh/tlSxQ/2027b74c56.jpg (i'd put triples in similar moments too) (00:51:553 (3,4,5) - Like here!)
00:54:893 (1) - dont really like this one, i'd copy 00:55:245 (2) - and Ctrl+G/H on previous slider's place owo http://puu.sh/tlSDm/d6f2f0dacb.jpg
cant' handle this combo spam really :^( do smth
01:48:679 (1,2) - you could blanket these
02:57:229 (1) - make this one jumpy cuz extra haha xd!! http://puu.sh/tlSL2/0a949835a4.jpg
not really strong at modding extras sorry (read as "i cant mod jumps rip me")

anyways, good luck with the map <3

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-01-14T10:10:35+00:00

My Angel Azusa wrote:
[Little's Normal]
00:18:364 (2) - i think you should make the hitsound a little bit lower(like 20%) here: 00:19:067 - since there is no sound I think it doesn't matter.
01:06:142 (5,1) - too empty,maybe you can add another note 01:06:845 - ? The space fits the song imo.

YellowManul wrote:
Little's Normal

00:29:582 (3,4) - fix blanket a little bit Adjusted a bit.
00:56:299 (1) - i'd curve the end of this slider to better flow , idk => http://puu.sh/tlRLc/b34b72002b.jpg Fixed.
01:49:733 (1,4) - hmm, looks kinda overlap :[ i'd Ctrl+ J 01:51:139 (4) - and blanket with 01:49:733 (1) - I think it's fine.
02:38:773 (4) - short this slider to red tick and add circle to the white one http://puu.sh/tlRWQ/a3440cac8a.jpg Changed.
02:57:229 (1) - hs volume here is 50% smh, should be 5 i think? Fixed.

Thanks.

http://puu.sh/tlTzk/4294967cdb.zip

Fatfan Kolek

590 posts

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Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2017-01-14T10:39:29+00:00

YellowManul wrote:
hello

Determination
00:00:084 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - combo spam for no reason :[ (next one too) Oh it has a reason It's for the combocolour emphasis as it resembles all rainbow colours which you can clearly see in this boss fight :p
00:39:777 (1,3) - fix this blanket fixed
00:45:929 (3,4) - triple here looks neater http://puu.sh/tlSxQ/2027b74c56.jpg (i'd put triples in similar moments too) (00:51:553 (3,4,5) - Like here!) fixed
00:54:893 (1) - dont really like this one, i'd copy 00:55:245 (2) - and Ctrl+G/H on previous slider's place owo http://puu.sh/tlSDm/d6f2f0dacb.jpg should be fine
cant' handle this combo spam really :^( do smth as said above
01:48:679 (1,2) - you could blanket these should also be fine
02:57:229 (1) - make this one jumpy cuz extra haha xd!! http://puu.sh/tlSL2/0a949835a4.jpg oh, oki, increased the last jump
not really strong at modding extras sorry (read as "i cant mod jumps rip me") haha, it's ok

anyways, good luck with the map <3 thank you!! <3

Rumia-

2,531 posts

Joined July 2012

Rumia- 2017-02-07T13:58:08+00:00

i remapped almost all object and some of them i applied in both sahuang and yellow manul's mod but i forgot which and which lool but thanks for modding my bad map XD

sdafsf

309 posts

Joined October 2013

sdafsf 2017-02-19T20:38:56+00:00

determination

00:01:490 (1,2) - why bigger than before?
00:05:708 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - same sounds but different spacing. the 3rd pair is a different sound but the spacing is the same as first. i dont see the intention here. i wont point out the ones that follow but the same point come up again.
00:21:322 - way too much NC in this~~whole section~~ whole map. NC all the red timing sections and the big white slider lines.
00:45:050 (1) - weird how you sometimes use a 1/1 slider and sometimes two 1/2 sliders 00:47:862 (1,2) - . get some consistency in there. try to map same sound with same rhythyms. at least when theyre in the same section.
01:29:695 (1,1) - this overlap doesnt look very nice. and there are similar in the rest of the section. be careful with overlap
01:58:522 (2,3) - this could be a blanket

overall you should try not to overuse and and touse similar slider shapes through out the map. otherwise it feels really messy.
nice map!

rumis insane

00:05:708 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - the first 3 sliders seem to be mapped to the violin but on the 4th there is no more violin. i feel like the shape shouldnt be the same.
00:17:660 (3,4) - blanket could be fixed
00:18:188 (4,1) - could be a blanket
00:29:758 (2,5) - needs fixing
00:33:801 (1,2) - weird rhythm the sliders should be on white ticks.
00:59:639 (3) - this beat seems out of place to me
01:02:627 (3,2) - these too are too close for my taste
01:13:525 (3,6) - ugly overlap
01:19:501 (1,2) - blanket again
01:27:235 (4,6) - ugly overlap
01:47:624 (5,6) - ^
02:06:959 (6,1) - blanket

overall nice map. but you should be more careful with blankets and overlap.

gl!

Pachiru

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Pachiru 2017-02-19T20:44:47+00:00

[Normal]

00:16:957 (1,2) - Ehhhhhhhhh, why not moving this to an other way so we could avoid the overlap ?
01:49:733 (1,4) - Avoid overlap here if this is possible ewe
01:49:733 (1,2) - And this part feels very weird here to be honest, why not doing just a 1/1 slider? It will fit better with the song in my opinion.
01:44:109 (1,2) - Same for here. It's strange, but to me it feels better with one long slider+one 1/1 slider instead of one long slider + circle

[Hard]

00:08:520 (2) - On this reverse slider, I would put the last circle of the reverse as a clickable beat.
01:20:731 (2,3) - That overlap is weird and it could be avoided.
02:33:675 (5,6) - Eh this feels strange... Why not adding an overlap in the middle so it would be better to read I guess

[Insane]

00:37:843 (4,1,2) - I don't know if it's from my skin or not, but I see those two notes in the same color. That would be cool if these NC and the previous combo would be in two different color than blue, because it can be hard to read tho.
02:21:548 (5) - Put this slider a bit down so we can see clearly the slider please
02:57:229 (1) - Nice slider *^*

That's all for me, since all the diff are perfect, I couldn't find something else to it

GG to the group

!

Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Hollow Delta 2017-02-19T20:59:30+00:00

From #modreqs doing m4m

Determination
00:17:660 (1,2) - I suggest nerfing this random spike in the jump.
00:22:552 - Why not start the kiai here where the ambience in the background comes in?
00:24:661 (2,3) - This is where the stronger beat is, so shouldn't 2 be further from 1? ctrl+g on this pair and 00:25:012 (1,2) - should be a simple fix.
00:35:910 (2,3,1,2) - ^
General opinion about this diff, I feel like the major issues are your constant anti-jumps and the lack of circular motion throughout the map. Just as an example patterns like 01:36:726 (2,1,2) - 00:16:606 (3,4,1) - Don't play well because the player has to stop to hit 1, and then continue in the same direction. The player needs to snap the opposite direction after hitting the first note so they have something to springboard off of. Also patterns like 01:15:985 (1,2,1,2,1) - don't play very well because they have no circular motion to backup their movement, also it's not a repetitive pattern so the player can't take advantage of temporary muscle memory. ctrl+g on the second pair and that's an example of circular motion.
01:48:327 (1,2,1,2,1) - This is a good pattern because you have the same idea while the player has a clean understanding and path to what notes are coming up next. And it plays very well.

Insane
00:02:544 (4) - This note is structured a bit randomly. Curving this slider so it faces the left would make more sense as that's where the next note is located.
00:07:642 (2) - This is mapped to a different instrument, so using the same slider shape is miss-leading. The length is correct though, but you need a different shape to show it's a different sound.
00:11:333 (1) - From here to 00:16:782 - your slider shapes were more technical, despite no change in the song. Stay consistent with your slider shapes as they give your map emotion.
00:28:176 (1,2,3,4) - These notes have the same intensity, so they should all share the same angle.
Overall this diff has 'okay' flow, I feel your structure needs to be improved a bit, as some of your patterns feel random and inconsistent. Try to make your patterns look good before you think about playability.

Hard
00:56:651 (2,1,2) - The structure here could be improved. I think making these symmetrical would look good.

Normal
Check aimod. Some notes are unsnapped.
00:11:333 (1,2) - Overlaps these close might cause rankability issues. Since there is no easy diff in this set your normal has to follow the criteria of an easy.
00:24:485 (3) - I don't hear a note here.
00:27:297 (4) - ^
00:33:449 (4,1) - Overlaps like these however should be okay because the player will see the slider body snake out.
00:35:734 (4) - Again, I don't hear anything clickable here. I suggest going through the whole diff and removing all unjustified 1/2 notes like these.
01:09:482 (5,1) - Spread these notes out a bit more. Overlaps this close on the timeline will cause rankability problems.
01:11:240 (3) - Missing hitsound.
Throughout this section, your inconsistent on your hitsounds. Use a copier from one of the other diffs if you have to.
This diff has siome pretty patterns with the sliders, but due to the overmap 1/2 streams and the really quick overlaps those might cause problems in the future, so I suggest going back and fixing those.

Fatfan Kolek

590 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2017-02-19T21:26:08+00:00

sdafsf wrote:
00:01:490 (1,2) - why bigger than before? It's not that big of a spacing difference, I don't think i need to be that consistent in terms of spacing in that part as this is an extra difficulty. Also it's not really a powerspike as one would assume.
00:05:708 (1,2,1,2,1,2) - same sounds but different spacing. the 3rd pair is a different sound but the spacing is the same as first. i dont see the intention here. i wont point out the ones that follow but the same point come up again. pretty much as stated above
00:21:322 - way too much NC in this~~whole section~~ whole map. NC all the red timing sections and the big white slider lines. No, the intention here is to feel the rainbow combo colours as they can be seen throughout the whole bossfight against Asriel.
00:45:050 (1) - weird how you sometimes use a 1/1 slider and sometimes two 1/2 sliders 00:47:862 (1,2) - . get some consistency in there. try to map same sound with same rhythyms. at least when theyre in the same section. There is a system behind it, it adds more variety. I know I could've emphasiszed every 1/1, but i wanted to do it like this.
01:29:695 (1,1) - this overlap doesnt look very nice. and there are similar in the rest of the section. be careful with overlap Fixed.
01:58:522 (2,3) - this could be a blanket Fixed.

overall you should try not to overuse and and touse similar slider shapes through out the map. otherwise it feels really messy.
nice map! Oh boy, yeah this map is kinda old I have to admit, but thanks anyways!

gl!

Bubblun wrote:
From #modreqs doing m4m

Determination
00:17:660 (1,2) - I suggest nerfing this random spike in the jump. Stated above in the other mod.
00:22:552 - Why not start the kiai here where the ambience in the background comes in? I think the part before sounds also cool, so i put the kiai start there, lol.
00:24:661 (2,3) - This is where the stronger beat is, so shouldn't 2 be further from 1? ctrl+g on this pair and 00:25:012 (1,2) - should be a simple fix. Weird, I feel like (2) to (3) should be emphasized as the strong sounds begin on (2) and end with (3).
00:35:910 (2,3,1,2) - ^^
General opinion about this diff, I feel like the major issues are your constant anti-jumps and the lack of circular motion throughout the map. Just as an example patterns like 01:36:726 (2,1,2) - 00:16:606 (3,4,1) - Don't play well because the player has to stop to hit 1, and then continue in the same direction. The player needs to snap the opposite direction after hitting the first note so they have something to springboard off of. Also patterns like 01:15:985 (1,2,1,2,1) - don't play very well because they have no circular motion to backup their movement, also it's not a repetitive pattern so the player can't take advantage of temporary muscle memory. ctrl+g on the second pair and that's an example of circular motion. Not everything has to be circular movement in order to feel good to play. I think my patterns play fine as they are right now. D:
01:48:327 (1,2,1,2,1) - This is a good pattern because you have the same idea while the player has a clean understanding and path to what notes are coming up next. And it plays very well. Thanks though!

Thank you too for your mod!

Little

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Joined November 2012

Little 2017-02-19T23:31:04+00:00

Pachiru wrote:
[Normal]
00:16:957 (1,2) - Ehhhhhhhhh, why not moving this to an other way so we could avoid the overlap ? Why avoid overlap?
01:49:733 (1,4) - Avoid overlap here if this is possible ewe
01:49:733 (1,2) - And this part feels very weird here to be honest, why not doing just a 1/1 slider? It will fit better with the song in my opinion. Current rhythm fits better.
01:44:109 (1,2) - Same for here. It's strange, but to me it feels better with one long slider+one 1/1 slider instead of one long slider + circle

Bubblun wrote:
Normal
Check aimod. Some notes are unsnapped. No.
00:11:333 (1,2) - Overlaps these close might cause rankability issues. Since there is no easy diff in this set your normal has to follow the criteria of an easy. No.
00:24:485 (3) - I don't hear a note here. I do.
00:27:297 (4) - ^
00:33:449 (4,1) - Overlaps like these however should be okay because the player will see the slider body snake out.
00:35:734 (4) - Again, I don't hear anything clickable here. I suggest going through the whole diff and removing all unjustified 1/2 notes like these.
01:09:482 (5,1) - Spread these notes out a bit more. Overlaps this close on the timeline will cause rankability problems. No, it looks fine.
01:11:240 (3) - Missing hitsound. What hitsound is missing?
Throughout this section, your inconsistent on your hitsounds. Use a copier from one of the other diffs if you have to. Why should I do that?
This diff has siome pretty patterns with the sliders, but due to the overmap 1/2 streams and the really quick overlaps those might cause problems in the future, so I suggest going back and fixing those. They're not overmapped. They all follow drum in the song.

Thanks.

Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Hollow Delta 2017-02-20T07:33:47+00:00

[

Bubblun wrote:
Normal
Check aimod. Some notes are unsnapped. No.
00:11:333 (1,2) - Overlaps these close might cause rankability issues. Since there is no easy diff in this set your normal has to follow the criteria of an easy. No.
00:24:485 (3) - I don't hear a note here. I do.
00:27:297 (4) - ^
00:33:449 (4,1) - Overlaps like these however should be okay because the player will see the slider body snake out.
00:35:734 (4) - Again, I don't hear anything clickable here. I suggest going through the whole diff and removing all unjustified 1/2 notes like these.
01:09:482 (5,1) - Spread these notes out a bit more. Overlaps this close on the timeline will cause rankability problems. No, it looks fine.
01:11:240 (3) - Missing hitsound. What hitsound is missing?
Throughout this section, your inconsistent on your hitsounds. Use a copier from one of the other diffs if you have to. Why should I do that?
This diff has siome pretty patterns with the sliders, but due to the overmap 1/2 streams and the really quick overlaps those might cause problems in the future, so I suggest going back and fixing those. They're not overmapped. They all follow drum in the song.

Thanks.[/quote]

Could you at least explain yourself instead of simply saying 'no'? lol

Mazziv

998 posts

Joined July 2013

Mazziv 2017-02-20T11:49:51+00:00

Pachiru wrote:
00:08:520 (2) - On this reverse slider, I would put the last circle of the reverse as a clickable beat. i chose to ignore this beat for the sake of simplicty
01:20:731 (2,3) - That overlap is weird and it could be avoided. it was intended i dont see why it should be removed
02:33:675 (5,6) - Eh this feels strange... Why not adding an overlap in the middle so it would be better to read I guess its fine? i guess...

Bubblun wrote:
From #modreqs doing m4m

Hard
00:56:651 (2,1,2) - The structure here could be improved. I think making these symmetrical would look good. it is symmetrical but its turned downwards

thanks for the mod guys,no changes doe!

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-02-20T15:42:06+00:00

Bubblun wrote:
Could you at least explain yourself instead of simply saying 'no'? lol

1. There are no unsnapped notes.
2. Overlaps like these will not cause rankability issues. Your statement about Normal following criteria of Easy is untrue.
3. There are drum notes in the song at every part where you said there is no note.

Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Hollow Delta 2017-02-20T18:46:07+00:00

Little wrote:
Bubblun wrote:
Could you at least explain yourself instead of simply saying 'no'? lol
2. Overlaps like these will not cause rankability issues. Your statement about Normal following criteria of Easy is untrue.

https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Difficulty_appr ... y_elements

Little

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Joined November 2012

Little 2017-02-20T21:49:31+00:00

https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Ranking_Criteria

Hollow Delta

793 posts

Joined March 2015

Hollow Delta 2017-02-20T23:18:44+00:00

Little wrote:
https://osu.ppy.sh/wiki/Ranking_Criteria

Okay... what're you trying to prove?

Rumia-

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Joined July 2012

Rumia- 2017-02-21T01:20:12+00:00

guideline =/= ranking criteria is what he meant, also replying mod when i get home from work /
and what the actual fuk is 1/2 streams

Fatfan Kolek

590 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2017-02-21T23:48:56+00:00

added an easy diff to solve your guys' problem lol

DeRandom Otaku

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Joined November 2014

DeRandom Otaku 2017-02-22T09:07:50+00:00

NC fixes in easy

13:54 Fatfan Kolek: heey
13:54 Fatfan Kolek: can i ask you for a short mod? :D
13:54 DeRandom Otaku: Umm yea sure
13:54 *Fatfan Kolek is listening to [https://osu.ppy.sh/b/1220231 toby fox - Hopes and Dreams]
13:54 Fatfan Kolek: only the easy if possible
13:54 DeRandom Otaku: Just a min. my maps are being processed lol
13:55 Fatfan Kolek: k :d
14:00 DeRandom Otaku: turn of widescreen support lol
14:01 DeRandom Otaku: 00:21:322 - actually why do u have a kiai here? its not a part of chorus or anything
14:01 DeRandom Otaku: there isnt even any note there lol
14:01 DeRandom Otaku: 00:23:958 (1) - 00:26:770 (3) - consistent nc
14:02 Fatfan Kolek: whoops
14:02 Fatfan Kolek: both fixed
14:04 DeRandom Otaku: 01:49:733 (5) - nc
14:04 Fatfan Kolek: lol fixed
14:05 Fatfan Kolek: made this diff in like half an hour
14:05 Fatfan Kolek: NCs are inconsistent xD
14:05 DeRandom Otaku: i see copy paste
14:05 DeRandom Otaku: xd
14:05 Fatfan Kolek: shh
14:06 DeRandom Otaku: 02:55:823 (5,1) - swipe nc
14:06 DeRandom Otaku: yes NCs only
14:06 DeRandom Otaku: rest is cute. 
14:06 Fatfan Kolek: oki thanks :D
14:06 Fatfan Kolek: want kds for that?
14:06 DeRandom Otaku: but the fact ur first kiai is has such a simple rhythm , simpler than the non kiai part ahead is kinda eh..
14:06 DeRandom Otaku: ye sure. i havent got kd in a while lol

Rumia-

2,531 posts

Joined July 2012

Rumia- 2017-02-23T16:47:24+00:00

@sdafsf fixed all the blankets , didnt change any rhytm
@Pachiru fixed the should be visible slider , the combo color shouldnt be a problem
@bublblbbm , alternating straight and curve sliders arent a problem , you just dont see my concept , i intentionally change the flow of slider (2) as i follow differnet instrument , its never misleading out of testplays i received , what does emotion means, aanyways , fixed the last point

lazy to quote

osu file format v14

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Fatfan Kolek

590 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2017-02-24T02:46:28+00:00

updated~

diraimur

547 posts

Joined December 2013

diraimur 2017-02-28T17:13:27+00:00

tfw in game version is 180 bpm but toby fox put this weird bpm version on ost
im trigger :<

Lasse

osu! Alumni

3,644 posts

Joined June 2011

Lasse 2017-02-28T22:28:33+00:00

from m4m

general
apparently normal-hitfinish7 is unused
bg resolution is off by 1 pixel lol. also since up to 1920x1200 is now rankable maybe try to find it in higher quality?

I think most or even all parts could use silenced sliderslides cause you use normal sampleset and they sound pretty annoying there
02:57:229 - this would be nice if you did the mute thing als also added normal sliderwhistle. then do something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/cdOIR3kv.png with the timing points to fade the slide out (make sure you change/alternate sampleset on each volume change or it wont work)
02:27:524 - muting sliderends for the 3/4s in this part (or at least less volume) would be great since they create a weird hitsound rhythm that doesnt really fit the song

00:22:552 - red and green line have different volume/kiai settings here on all diffs
00:21:322 - same but only on top diff it seems

determination
ar feels slightly too much, 9.2 would be nicer or maybe even 9 lol
hp 6.5 or even 7 might be nice too
00:00:787 (1,2) - movement here feels so forced and tilts me whenver I play this diff. if you want to keep . I'd just rearrange 00:00:084 (1,2,1,2) - somehow without forcing this to be a blanket. all other similar patterns you do play so much better
00:08:169 (3) - since you also have it later it seems intentional, but I think the soft sliderwhistle sounds pretty weird here // 00:19:418 (3) -
00:44:347 (3,4,1,2) - shouldnt these be in one group nc and pattern wise instead cause it seems music changes on 3
00:45:050 (1) - movement here feels really forced to me cause cause of how the slider leads it. think just flipping the slider or something like that would work well http://lasse.s-ul.eu/1OJ1uE7p.png
00:46:456 (1,3,4,5) - looks really broken ingame cause of autostacking http://lasse.s-ul.eu/XC0dD4zX.png just move the stack down/right to fix it
01:56:237 (2) - similar issue with movement into slider, but the only fitting shape I could come up with is a straight slider http://lasse.s-ul.eu/ElLDH5Ag.png and since you usually dont use the same shape twice in a row here it's kinda lol. maybe you can come up with something
02:36:136 - sound like according to the instruments the patterning should change here instead of 02:35:785 (1) - ? // 02:47:386 - same here

rumia
would also mute sliderslides cause normal ones sound kinda lol in most spots
00:00:084 - to 00:21:176 - think this part would be much nicer with default soft hitnormals, they kicks feels pretty unfitting
02:14:868 - to 02:25:942 - pretty much same as ^
also why these normal hitnormals?? they dont seem to fit the song in any way, just remove them or find better fitting ones I think
00:25:364 (1) - subjective but I think it would look nice if you made a more "balanced" shape like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/KyzoknJg maybe?
00:49:268 - do something about the hitsounding of the overmapped 3/4 sliderends in this part, they sound so unfitting (lower volume+default soft maybe)
01:01:221 (4) - seems a bit unfitting with melody on both parts of it and guitar on tail, something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/BKsnljVf or whatever
01:05:088 (2,3,4) - similar here, I can't really get what youre following
gameplay wise diff is alright, but the hitsound is really tilting me :c

mazziv
00:35:734 (6,7,8) - really minor, but this would look cute if you made the visual spacing more even http://lasse.s-ul.eu/qsfpfp5l
01:10:009 (8) - looks like it was a triple at one point lol. idk why you would stack 1/2 under a slider here // same for things like 01:12:119 (6) - etc
01:18:798 - why is this part suddenly mapped like a normal and ignoring so much of the song?
02:01:861 - song switches to offbeat emphasis here but your sliders keep emphasizing white ticks. maybe try a rhythm like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/8LFNzksO
02:12:935 (3,4,5,6,7) - similar ^
02:33:675 (5,6) - http://lasse.s-ul.eu/lsMhLiFt triggered
02:47:386 (1) - if this is supposed to follow the held sound it shoul start way earlier, like on 02:47:122 -
02:55:119 (3,4) - thats a pretty sudden huge jump, even with slider leniency it seems way too much

little
01:53:952 (3) - did you consider making things like these into two circles for this part? think it would fit the song really well and hard uses really dense 1/2 rhythms here, so would be great if this diff had some more active 1/2 stuff here too
02:02:564 - why not something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/p8IsNTQ9 here? would fit great with the melody
02:07:837 (3) - seems a bit too undermapped compared to the whole part, maybe http://lasse.s-ul.eu/GuOTrc1k ?
02:27:524 (4) - similar here, would also nicely differentiate it from 02:30:336 (3) - which sounds so different

easy
00:45:050 - 01:06:230 - there are 2 circles in this whole part and both right at the end, a better slider/circle balance would be great
you could just replace a few of the 2/1 sliders like 00:46:456 - 00:52:081 (2) - 00:57:705 (2) - with two circles for example
01:18:798 - 01:29:344 - similar thing
01:56:588 - emphasis is on this, so mapping to that instead of having a slider that start on a much weaker sound right after would be great. examples http://lasse.s-ul.eu/YbY0SMA2 http://lasse.s-ul.eu/JLUhpKrI same for similar spots like 02:13:462 -
01:36:199 - similar issue here, something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/yM7P0IfD or http://lasse.s-ul.eu/iZ9HDFvu could work // 01:41:648 (2) - 01:47:272 (2) - etc same thing

Mazziv

998 posts

Joined July 2013

Mazziv 2017-02-28T23:12:59+00:00

Lasse wrote:
from m4m

mazziv
00:35:734 (6,7,8) - really minor, but this would look cute if you made the visual spacing more even http://lasse.s-ul.eu/qsfpfp5l should be fixd
01:10:009 (8) - looks like it was a triple at one point lol. idk why you would stack 1/2 under a slider here // same for things like 01:12:119 (6) - etc it was a triple but ff apparently removed it? i honestly dont know lol
01:18:798 - why is this part suddenly mapped like a normal and ignoring so much of the song? i was trying to emphasize the melody that came in
02:01:861 - song switches to offbeat emphasis here but your sliders keep emphasizing white ticks. maybe try a rhythm like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/8LFNzksO i like my sliderspam rhythm and i dont think its really thaaaaaaaat bad
02:12:935 (3,4,5,6,7) - similar ^ aaaa
02:33:675 (5,6) - http://lasse.s-ul.eu/lsMhLiFt triggered
02:47:386 (1) - if this is supposed to follow the held sound it shoul start way earlier, like on 02:47:122 - done
02:55:119 (3,4) - thats a pretty sudden huge jump, even with slider leniency it seems way too much kinda remapped it

thanks for mod

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Fatfan Kolek

590 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2017-03-01T00:42:33+00:00

Lasse wrote:
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general
apparently normal-hitfinish7 is unused bye
bg resolution is off by 1 pixel lol. also since up to 1920x1200 is now rankable maybe try to find it in higher quality? found a new one :3

I think most or even all parts could use silenced sliderslides cause you use normal sampleset and they sound pretty annoying there i kinda agree, but only in the beginning of the song, so i used the silenced sliderslides there
02:57:229 - this would be nice if you did the mute thing als also added normal sliderwhistle. then do something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/cdOIR3kv.png with the timing points to fade the slide out (make sure you change/alternate sampleset on each volume change or it wont work) oh god, i tried to, i don't know if i did it correctly, you might wanna look over this again on my diff
02:27:524 - muting sliderends for the 3/4s in this part (or at least less volume) would be great since they create a weird hitsound rhythm that doesnt really fit the song fixed

00:22:552 - red and green line have different volume/kiai settings here on all diffs fixed
00:21:322 - same but only on top diff it seems fixed

determination
ar feels slightly too much, 9.2 would be nicer or maybe even 9 lol ar 9.2 now
hp 6.5 or even 7 might be nice too bumped to 6.5
00:00:787 (1,2) - movement here feels so forced and tilts me whenver I play this diff. if you want to keep . I'd just rearrange 00:00:084 (1,2,1,2) - somehow without forcing this to be a blanket. all other similar patterns you do play so much better oki, made new starting patterns
00:08:169 (3) - since you also have it later it seems intentional, but I think the soft sliderwhistle sounds pretty weird here // 00:19:418 (3) - fixed
00:44:347 (3,4,1,2) - shouldnt these be in one group nc and pattern wise instead cause it seems music changes on 3 kinda fixed it with another NCing now
00:45:050 (1) - movement here feels really forced to me cause cause of how the slider leads it. think just flipping the slider or something like that would work well http://lasse.s-ul.eu/1OJ1uE7p.png i think it plays fine
00:46:456 (1,3,4,5) - looks really broken ingame cause of autostacking http://lasse.s-ul.eu/XC0dD4zX.png just move the stack down/right to fix it fixed
01:56:237 (2) - similar issue with movement into slider, but the only fitting shape I could come up with is a straight slider http://lasse.s-ul.eu/ElLDH5Ag.png and since you usually dont use the same shape twice in a row here it's kinda lol. maybe you can come up with something mhh, i don't think it's a problem here too
02:36:136 - sound like according to the instruments the patterning should change here instead of 02:35:785 (1) - ? // 02:47:386 - same here listen closely, patterns change to the background music

easy
00:45:050 - 01:06:230 - there are 2 circles in this whole part and both right at the end, a better slider/circle balance would be great
you could just replace a few of the 2/1 sliders like 00:46:456 - 00:52:081 (2) - 00:57:705 (2) - with two circles for example
01:18:798 - 01:29:344 - similar thing
01:56:588 - emphasis is on this, so mapping to that instead of having a slider that start on a much weaker sound right after would be great. examples http://lasse.s-ul.eu/YbY0SMA2 http://lasse.s-ul.eu/JLUhpKrI same for similar spots like 02:13:462 -
01:36:199 - similar issue here, something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/yM7P0IfD or http://lasse.s-ul.eu/iZ9HDFvu could work // 01:41:648 (2) - 01:47:272 (2) - etc same thing so i tried to add circles here and there, but somehow the star rating always got really high. since i still wanna have an easy icon on this, i decided to just add a few circles on the second kiai part as this is more intense, so rest should be fine i think

Delete and redownload now btw

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-03-01T05:16:46+00:00

Lasse wrote:
little
01:53:952 (3) - did you consider making things like these into two circles for this part? think it would fit the song really well and hard uses really dense 1/2 rhythms here, so would be great if this diff had some more active 1/2 stuff here too Added a bunch of 1/2.
02:02:564 - why not something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/p8IsNTQ9 here? would fit great with the melody Changed the rhythm to fit the melody.
02:07:837 (3) - seems a bit too undermapped compared to the whole part, maybe http://lasse.s-ul.eu/GuOTrc1k ? I think it's fine.
02:27:524 (4) - similar here, would also nicely differentiate it from 02:30:336 (3) - which sounds so different Changed rhythm.

Thanks.
http://puu.sh/uoLvn/57d7852c6a.zip

Fatfan Kolek

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Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2017-03-01T19:13:07+00:00

Lasse wrote:
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am allowed to change stuff on his diff https://puu.sh/upBWl/51c2931aa3.png

rumia
would also mute sliderslides cause normal ones sound kinda lol in most spots did it for the two calm parts in the beginning and somewhere in the middle
00:00:084 - to 00:21:176 - think this part would be much nicer with default soft hitnormals, they kicks feels pretty unfitting same as above
02:14:868 - to 02:25:942 - pretty much same as ^ ^
also why these normal hitnormals?? they dont seem to fit the song in any way, just remove them or find better fitting ones I think they're fine imo in the parts where rumi used them
00:25:364 (1) - subjective but I think it would look nice if you made a more "balanced" shape like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/KyzoknJg maybe? ye fixed
00:49:268 - do something about the hitsounding of the overmapped 3/4 sliderends in this part, they sound so unfitting (lower volume+default soft maybe) fixed
01:01:221 (4) - seems a bit unfitting with melody on both parts of it and guitar on tail, something like http://lasse.s-ul.eu/BKsnljVf or whatever ugh, seems fine to me
01:05:088 (2,3,4) - similar here, I can't really get what youre following looks also fine :/
gameplay wise diff is alright, but the hitsound is really tilting me :c

riffy

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riffy 2017-03-02T16:39:58+00:00

Yo, sorry about being such a slowpoke

[General]

Colours 5 and 6 are pretty similar, so I guess I would rather remove one of these and make them differ even more. So that the set looks even brighter and more diverse.
You really should enable kiai time on both lines.

[Easy.]

It has a total of 4 different slider velocities, two of which are nearly identical. (x0,75 / x0,8) . I personally don't find the velocity changes to be a must for this difficulty. While I do agree that x0.75 does work quite well for the into, the higher velocity multipliers (x1,2 ones) do not seem to be necessary at all. They make the whole difficulty feel too fast (mind the BPM and the fact that SV was high even without any multipliers)
02:02:389 (3,4,2) - not exactly fond of the overlapping here. Perhaps, you coud have avoided that as both the structure and appearance stand out for no actual reason.

The velocity thing really makes me feel like this difficulty does not function as the easiest difficulty well enough.

[Little's Normal]

00:16:957 (1,2) - since that's the only overlap of that kind it feels somewhat unwanted/unintended. If there is a way to avoid it, please do.
00:50:675 (1,2,3) - if you intend top represent the 1/1 beats the best way to do it is by using actual 1/1 sliders. The aggressive slidercurves feel quite out of place as none of those were used before and they don't give enough emphasis to the beats.
Note: it goes for all similar sliders like 00:56:299 (1) -

I can't say I agree with the way you have mapped it. I don't have anything against the style you have chosen, yet I don't agree with certain design ideas like those sliders and spacing being set to x0.8. It gives the unplesant feeling of disbalance between slider velocity and the Distance Spacing as sliders are actually faster than normal object-to-object cursor speed. Perhaps, it is just me, though.

[Maz' Hard]

00:16:957 (5,1) - I'd probably have a new combo on (5) instead, and then another one for 00:21:322 (3) - as this is where the music actually changes.
00:24:485 (6,7) -00:27:297 (6,7) - it is either you have missed the jump on the second pattern, or you should not have used it on the first one. Since they follow the same idea it is a good idea to use similar techniques to represent the beats.
Note: 00:35:734 (6,7) - 00:38:547 (6,7) - same. You are supposed to jump on the strong beat, not after it.
00:48:214 (2,3,4) - this is the first time 1/4 snapped circles are introduced. Perhaps, doing it in a more intense part of the song would make more sense, as having those in a more relaxed part doesn't fit well with the spread and the difficulty you are mapping, in my opinion. Perhaps, you could remove this and similar circles to make difficulty more consistent within itself and the spread.
Note: you might want to use 1/4s during the kiais
01:16:688 (3,4,5) - at times this is quite hard to understand the logic behind your jumps. What do these jumps follow? What made you add some here but ignore something as strong as 01:18:446 (9,1) - for example?
01:27:235 (4) - probably you've missed a new combo here. All the previous combos were 1 measure long.

And I guess that's about it. A pretty neat difficulty with a few rather questionably spaced patterns. I liked it nonetheless.

[Rumi's Insane]

The ticking hitsounds that were used during 01:52:194 (7) - had no connection with the instruments in the actual song and felt quite out of place to me. Moreover, I feel like they don't give enough variety and feel too spammed and monotonous.
00:00:084 (1) - 00:02:896 (1) - 00:04:302 (1) - 00:05:708 (1) - 00:11:333 (1) - 00:12:739 (1) -00:15:551 (1) - every time the beat is repeated a different slidershape is used. I personally feel like this gives a feeling of randomness/inconsistency, as there is little to no variation in the song itself. I would rather try to stick to more or less repetitive appearance, unless you were trying to do something different here.

Actually, the same thing would apply to the jumps, as they also left me quite puzzled. For instance, 00:02:017 (2,3,4) - these use quite a large spacing, yet they follow relatively quiet sounds,yet, the beat which is actually strong 00:02:896 (1) - recieved practically no spacing emphasis. Then you did sort of a similar thing with 00:10:981 (3,4,1) - where 3-4 had no beats strong enough to support the jump. And the jumps issue happens quite often. 00:25:364 (1,2,3) - here, (3) is supported with synth, but doesn't have any kind of spacing increase, yet pretty weak 00:25:891 (2) - has a nice and pretty strong jump even though it doesn't have anything strong enough to justify the jump. The same lack of spacing emphasis would apply to 01:36:375 (5,1) -
00:38:371 - the beat here is strong enough and it is supported with a clap hitsound, I believe it is better if we place a clickable object here. This way players will be able to feel the song better as they will be forced to actually *click* on that very beat.

In general, it felt like there is lack of correlation between the spacing changes in the map and actual beat of the song. The way hitsounds were applied also added some discomfort to the overall impression. It's like an okayish map that wanders off music at times.

[Determination]

00:33:625 (2,1) - (1) is a much stronger beat than (2) in this case. So, it should be (1) that has a stronger jump. Same happens in a number of patterns, for instance 00:44:874 (2,1).
00:54:893 (1,2) - I didn't quite catch the idea of mapping similar sounds with completely different slidershapes. Mind explaining that, please?
01:06:142 (1,1,1,2,3,1) - new combos in general feel a bit spammed, I would rather just place one on 01:05:791 (6) - and remove the new combos on 01:06:142 (1,1,1) -
02:57:229 (1) - probably should be flipped upside down to show a lovely heart in the middle.

Apart from the new combos that felt overused it was pretty enjoyable experieence.

It feels like a set with a good deal of potential, all you have to do is to work on it more.

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Best of luck!

Mazziv

998 posts

Joined July 2013

Mazziv 2017-03-02T18:43:48+00:00

Bakari wrote:
Yo, sorry about being such a slowpoke

[Maz' Hard]
00:16:957 (5,1) - I'd probably have a new combo on (5) instead, and then another one for 00:21:322 (3) - as this is where the music actually changes. +
00:24:485 (6,7) -00:27:297 (6,7) - it is either you have missed the jump on the second pattern, or you should not have used it on the first one. Since they follow the same idea it is a good idea to use similar techniques to represent the beats.
Note: 00:35:734 (6,7) - 00:38:547 (6,7) - same. You are supposed to jump on the strong beat, not after it. well the intention was ''bigger spacing>smaller spacing'' which i did back to back and i dont see why its wrong (maybe i missunderstanding what you were trying to say)
00:48:214 (2,3,4) - this is the first time 1/4 snapped circles are introduced. Perhaps, doing it in a more intense part of the song would make more sense, as having those in a more relaxed part doesn't fit well with the spread and the difficulty you are mapping, in my opinion. Perhaps, you could remove this and similar circles to make difficulty more consistent within itself and the spread. 1/4's in the calm section are more ''chill'' than in for example the kiai thats why imo its easy to do them when you have 1/1 space inbetween
Note: you might want to use 1/4s during the kiais there was actually 1/4's but they were cut due to simplicity problems
01:16:688 (3,4,5) - at times this is quite hard to understand the logic behind your jumps. What do these jumps follow? What made you add some here but ignore something as strong as 01:18:446 (9,1) - for example? i cant really remember why exactly i mapped the last pattern with a bigger spacing but i guess it was to emphasize the rhythm ending of this part? because afterwards i changed to a different/simpler rhythm
01:27:235 (4) - probably you've missed a new combo here. All the previous combos were 1 measure long. woops

And I guess that's about it. A pretty neat difficulty with a few rather questionably spaced patterns. I liked it nonetheless.
thank you c:

thanks for the mod!

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TitleUnicode:Hopes and Dreams
Artist:toby fox
ArtistUnicode:toby fox
Creator:Fatfan Kolek
Version:Maz' Hard
Source:UNDERTALE
Tags:Little CloudSplash16 Euny Natsu Rumia-
BeatmapID:1180414
BeatmapSetID:414432

[Difficulty]
HPDrainRate:5
CircleSize:3.5
OverallDifficulty:5
ApproachRate:8
SliderMultiplier:1.55
SliderTickRate:1

[Events]
//Background and Video events
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//Break Periods
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2,140869,144489
2,168992,173666
//Storyboard Layer 0 (Background)
//Storyboard Layer 1 (Fail)
//Storyboard Layer 2 (Pass)
//Storyboard Layer 3 (Foreground)
//Storyboard Sound Samples

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Kotori-Chan

496 posts

Joined February 2014

Kotori-Chan 2017-03-03T16:09:03+00:00

i'm such a idiot....why did you not remind me to mod DDDDD:

Easy

00:39:425 (1) - idk but having that slider here straight looks kinda meh to me,you can blanket it better if you are maybe gonna use 00:38:019 (3) - again or maybe you can think of an even better shape ! :3
00:45:050 (1,2) - these two could have the same shape https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7471985 looks kinda better to me
i mean you did it everywhere else 00:50:675 (1,2) - 00:56:299 (1,2) - so why not these two 00:45:050 (1,2) - :>
02:26:293 (1) - i think this would be better on x258 y218

Normal

pls fix this~ http://puu.sh/usuE8/98bec5e27f.png

00:45:050 (1) - are sv changes allowed in normals ? never really saw some before in normal diffs
01:00:518 (5) - having this one straight is kinda meh to me personal,why not make it curved,would also better blanket with 01:01:924 (1) - then
02:09:419 (1,2) - could be the same~
02:15:044 - about the break,in all other normals that strong guitar sounds are mapped
so is kinda a bit weird that this is the only diff where they are not mapped,just saying~

oh and btw,sv is kinda a bit fast imo D:

Hard

seems all fine to me :3

Insane

00:07:642 (2) - this is SO silent,not really necessary imo
00:31:516 (2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1) - you know what i find boring about that jumps and why i think they are bad ? because of this 00:33:098 -
that sound is pretty different imo and needs some special attention,but that jumps how you made them rn have nothing really special there,maybe you can make them 00:33:098 (1,2,3,4,1) - some kind of left-right jumps that slowly get bit more intense,that would suit better and represent that sound more
00:35:207 - same goes for this,gets completely lost and ignored,maybe a 1/1 slider ?
00:38:019 - ^^^^
00:44:347 (1,2,3,4) - here you did it correct,different shape of jumps that represents that sounds there better
00:57:705 (1) - centered PLS D:

Determination

actually looks good to me or i'm just too stupid again runs

just some minor thingys,this map is already pretty perfect imo,probably some more little minor things here and there,but thats it~
good luck !
:3

-Atri-

3,049 posts

Joined March 2013

-Atri- 2017-03-03T17:03:36+00:00

fatfan kolek in 2017

Mazziv

998 posts

Joined July 2013

Mazziv 2017-03-03T17:04:00+00:00

Kotori-Chan wrote:
i'm such a idiot....why did you not remind me to mod DDDDD:

Hard

seems all fine to me :3

aaaaaaaayyyyyy that means a lot to me

just some minor thingys,this map is already pretty perfect imo,probably some more little minor things here and there,but thats it~
good luck !
:3

Rumia-

2,531 posts

Joined July 2012

Rumia- 2017-03-04T08:21:22+00:00

since fatfan kolek already replied for me to lasse's post i think everything there is good

Bakari wrote:
Yo, sorry about being such a slowpoke

[Rumi's Insane]
The ticking hitsounds that were used during 01:52:194 (7) - had no connection with the instruments in the actual song and felt quite out of place to me. Moreover, I feel like they don't give enough variety and feel too spammed and monotonous. fixed already
00:00:084 (1) - 00:02:896 (1) - 00:04:302 (1) - 00:05:708 (1) - 00:11:333 (1) - 00:12:739 (1) -00:15:551 (1) - every time the beat is repeated a different slidershape is used. I personally feel like this gives a feeling of randomness/inconsistency, as there is little to no variation in the song itself. I would rather try to stick to more or less repetitive appearance, unless you were trying to do something different here. for me there is no reason to actually use same slider shape for everytime it repeats , it doesnt even repeat at the same tone which is not even causing inconsistency , i really like consistency but this specific map i want to express pattern more than just mere consistency , it doesnt affect gameplay ( and i dont think myself finding it random when playing it at all too )

Actually, the same thing would apply to the jumps, as they also left me quite puzzled. For instance, 00:02:017 (2,3,4) - these use quite a large spacing, yet they follow relatively quiet sounds,yet, the beat which is actually strong 00:02:896 (1) - recieved practically no spacing emphasis. Then you did sort of a similar thing with 00:10:981 (3,4,1) - where 3-4 had no beats strong enough to support the jump. And the jumps issue happens quite often. 00:25:364 (1,2,3) - here, (3) is supported with synth, but doesn't have any kind of spacing increase, yet pretty weak 00:25:891 (2) - has a nice and pretty strong jump even though it doesn't have anything strong enough to justify the jump. The same lack of spacing emphasis would apply to 01:36:375 (5,1) - i just reduced the first jump so everything else is settled then.
00:38:371 - the beat here is strong enough and it is supported with a clap hitsound, I believe it is better if we place a clickable object here. This way players will be able to feel the song better as they will be forced to actually *click* on that very beat. uhm im focusing much more on the guitar since the drum is just too plain and boring , though it supports with a strong beat i made the spacing higher so people can actually tell , and here is the consistency of following instrument 00:38:019 (1,2,3,4) - and i dont like to break this

In general, it felt like there is lack of correlation between the spacing changes in the map and actual beat of the song. The way hitsounds were applied also added some discomfort to the overall impression. It's like an okayish map that wanders off music at times. was one of my earliest map so sorry for not impressing

almost all fixed in kotori's except the first one , i dont think its not necessary so yea
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Title:Hopes and Dreams
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Version:Rumi's Insane
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492,80,147348,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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320,44,149457,1,8,0:0:0:0:
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100,68,154906,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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288,356,157718,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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356,64,158246,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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256,36,160355,5,0,0:0:0:0:
392,164,160531,1,0,0:0:0:0:
276,176,160706,1,8,0:0:0:0:
348,48,160882,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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100,188,162113,1,8,0:0:0:0:
192,288,162288,1,0,0:0:0:0:
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Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-03-08T19:37:00+00:00

Bakari wrote:
[Little's Normal]
00:16:957 (1,2) - since that's the only overlap of that kind it feels somewhat unwanted/unintended. If there is a way to avoid it, please do. Changed to circles.
00:50:675 (1,2,3) - if you intend top represent the 1/1 beats the best way to do it is by using actual 1/1 sliders. The aggressive slidercurves feel quite out of place as none of those were used before and they don't give enough emphasis to the beats. I think it's not so bad, since there are notes in between, but I adjusted slightly to make it less jarring.
Note: it goes for all similar sliders like 00:56:299 (1) -

I can't say I agree with the way you have mapped it. I don't have anything against the style you have chosen, yet I don't agree with certain design ideas like those sliders and spacing being set to x0.8. It gives the unplesant feeling of disbalance between slider velocity and the Distance Spacing as sliders are actually faster than normal object-to-object cursor speed. Perhaps, it is just me, though. Seems fine to me. Using this distance allows me to vary the SV more without having parts that feel like big jumps.

Kotori-Chan wrote:
Normal

pls fix this~ http://puu.sh/usuE8/98bec5e27f.png ok, fixed stack.

00:45:050 (1) - are sv changes allowed in normals ? never really saw some before in normal diffs They are allowed.
01:00:518 (5) - having this one straight is kinda meh to me personal,why not make it curved,would also better blanket with 01:01:924 (1) - then Changed stuff.
02:09:419 (1,2) - could be the same~ I think current one is fine.
02:15:044 - about the break,in all other normals that strong guitar sounds are mapped I prefer not to map that. Sticking to drums.
so is kinda a bit weird that this is the only diff where they are not mapped,just saying~

oh and btw,sv is kinda a bit fast imo D:

Thanks.
http://puu.sh/uA4JB/bdc1617442.zip

Fatfan Kolek

590 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2017-03-08T20:38:08+00:00

Bakari wrote:
Yo, sorry about being such a slowpoke

[General]
Colours 5 and 6 are pretty similar, so I guess I would rather remove one of these and make them differ even more. So that the set looks even brighter and more diverse. fixed it i think
You really should enable kiai time on both lines.
lol fixed

[Easy.]
It has a total of 4 different slider velocities, two of which are nearly identical. (x0,75 / x0,8) . I personally don't find the velocity changes to be a must for this difficulty. While I do agree that x0.75 does work quite well for the into, the higher velocity multipliers (x1,2 ones) do not seem to be necessary at all. They make the whole difficulty feel too fast (mind the BPM and the fact that SV was high even without any multipliers)
02:02:389 (3,4,2) - not exactly fond of the overlapping here. Perhaps, you coud have avoided that as both the structure and appearance stand out for no actual reason. yeah, made a new pattern. that happens when you apply to many mods on a diff xD

The velocity thing really makes me feel like this difficulty does not function as the easiest difficulty well enough. ok, i removed the high SV on the second kiai part, i hope i makes the diff feel better :>

[Determination]
00:33:625 (2,1) - (1) is a much stronger beat than (2) in this case. So, it should be (1) that has a stronger jump. Same happens in a number of patterns, for instance 00:44:874 (2,1). but to me it's not really stronger
00:54:893 (1,2) - I didn't quite catch the idea of mapping similar sounds with completely different slidershapes. Mind explaining that, please? was symmetrical before, changed it because of a mod, now it's symmetrical again LUL
01:06:142 (1,1,1,2,3,1) - new combos in general feel a bit spammed, I would rather just place one on 01:05:791 (6) - and remove the new combos on 01:06:142 (1,1,1) - oki fixed
02:57:229 (1) - probably should be flipped upside down to show a lovely heart in the middle. i explained that to you in game

Apart from the new combos that felt overused it was pretty enjoyable experieence. thanks!
It feels like a set with a good deal of potential, all you have to do is to work on it more.

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Best of luck!

Kotori-Chan wrote:
i'm such a idiot....why did you not remind me to mod DDDDD:

Easy

00:39:425 (1) - idk but having that slider here straight looks kinda meh to me,you can blanket it better if you are maybe gonna use 00:38:019 (3) - again or maybe you can think of an even better shape ! :3 made a zigzagthingy shape xD idk how to call it
00:45:050 (1,2) - these two could have the same shape https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/7471985 looks kinda better to me
i mean you did it everywhere else 00:50:675 (1,2) - 00:56:299 (1,2) - so why not these two 00:45:050 (1,2) - :> they look good to me ;c
02:26:293 (1) - i think this would be better on x258 y218 oki fixed :3

KuranteMelodii wrote:
fatfan kolek in 2017 :thinking:

sahuang

2,294 posts

Joined December 2014

sahuang 2017-03-17T13:19:39+00:00

[Easy]

Please use consistent sv in easy. So 0.75x 0.8x 1.0x and 1.25x choose 1 to use consistently.

00:08:169 (1,2) - 00:19:418 (1,2) - kinda inappropriate to stack in easy, you know it
01:03:330 (2,3,1) - seems like a pattern in normal
01:13:173 (1,2) - they almost overlap
01:29:695 - should add a circle for the strong downbeat.
01:30:047 (1,3) - this might be 'ok' but imo its confusing for newbies since 3 appears before 1 disappears.
02:08:013 (3,4) - the antiflow is really hard to hit
02:14:692 (4) - unsnapped?

[Normal]

00:18:364 (3) - spacing is quite inconsistent here
01:09:482 (5,1) - avoid the stack here cuz really confusing,refer to 01:15:107 (5,1) -
01:52:546 (1,2) - 02:03:795 (1,2) - 02:09:419 (1,2) - aesthetics
01:54:127 (4) - 1/2 slider instead? that seems better than merely 2 circles here
01:56:236 (3) - etc same, i see you used a lot of doubles here but honestly i feel that's kinda too intense and it's not kiai. Use a slider instead of a circle can reduce intensity.
02:53:362 (1) - i dont think u need a nc

[Hard]

The S sampleset really annoys me cuz you can here that sharp slider body sound from the beginning

00:11:333 (3) - NC
00:16:957 (1) - cancel NC for consistency
00:24:661 (7,8) - really loud and terrible to use 2 finishes here..
00:35:910 (7,8) - spacing is too big as a hard
00:53:839 (2,3) - etc just use a 3/4 slider,there's not even a sound 00:54:014 - ,now its way too intense
01:06:845 (6,7,8) - idk if timing is right but these notes seem off
01:09:921 - 01:12:031 - etc not gonna map the triples?
01:28:465 - why ignore
01:54:918 - etc same thing, i feel you should map the 1/4s cuz there are pretty obvious sounds
01:56:764 (5,6,7) - looks ugly tbh
02:13:638 (5) - nc
02:36:839 (5,6) - probably dont stack cuz it breaks flow
Could be better in terms of rhythm and aesthetics. I dont even spot 1/4s (or there might be very few),but there're a lot more places u can map

[Determination]

00:06:411 (1,2) - idk why spacing is so big compared to 00:05:708 (1,2) - 00:07:114 (1,2) - etc? same sound
00:16:606 (3,4,1,2) - spacing can be reduced cuz its intro and not even a drum
00:30:988 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - a bit stupid to put 1212 jumps here..........the music isnt really intense and as ive said these notes are just following drums which cant represent music.
00:42:238 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - same here,they are mapped for aesthetics rather than music.The intensity is actually similar to 00:39:425 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2) - but you dealt with it with a totally different way..
00:50:235 (5) - etc can be deleted cuz they are too vague and according to the instrument ure following
00:59:112 (1) - aesthetics..this looks imbalanced

Top diff still lacks quality imo, some jumps are kinda random and lack aesthetics. Especially the 1212 ones. Overall there's quite some space for improvement. Not going to recheck cuz too busy with uni...so yeah,good luck~

Little

2,509 posts

Joined November 2012

Little 2017-03-17T17:12:05+00:00

lol I just changed from 1/2 sliders to 2 circles a few mods ago -_
@Fatfan Kolek ~~I'm going to remap my diff when I have time.~~ Got busy... you can fix my diff if you need to.

Mazziv

998 posts

Joined July 2013

Mazziv 2017-04-17T18:52:43+00:00

dead? :/

Fatfan Kolek

590 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2017-09-10T10:29:47+00:00

k it's back now xD

fixed the svs on easy and made a few changes to the last diff according to sahuang's mod :d

i wanna get this rolling again :3

Mazziv

998 posts

Joined July 2013

Mazziv 2017-09-11T07:25:55+00:00

AYYYY

-Mo-

Nomination Assessment Team

957 posts

Joined December 2012

-Mo- 2017-09-14T14:59:27+00:00

Easy
- 00:43:995 (2,3,1) - Might as well keep these the same spacing, even the SV changes, just so it looks neater.
- 02:54:416 (3,4,1,2,3) - Might work better to have this as one combo rather than how you split them currently.

Little's Normal
- 00:22:552 - Red and green line has inconsistent kiai.
- 00:29:231 (2,3) - 00:33:449 (4,1) - 00:40:480 (2,3) etc - I would say it's better to not stack 1/1, since you're already stacking 1/2 earlier on, just so it's easier to handle and read for beginners.
- 01:49:733 (1,4) - You might as well avoid this overlap.
- 02:01:686 (2) - This has the drum slider-slide over it for some reason.
- 02:07:837 (4) - Not sure if the drum-normal is missing or intentional, but might as well point it out.

Maz' Hard
- 00:00:084 - Red and green lines have different samplesets.
- 00:22:200 (4,1) - I'd say this would look neater if this has the same spacing as 00:21:849 (3,4).
- 00:30:988 (1,2,3) - This combo could look neater I think. Slider 3 doesn't really point from circle 2 that well while everything else in this section does.
- 01:20:731 (2,3) - This overlap might as well be avoided. It would look neater if there was even spacing between 1-2-3 (DS doesn't have to be the same).
- 01:31:805 (2,3) - I would nudge these away from each other so they don't look like they're almost touching.
- 01:44:460 (2,3) - Similar thing, barely overlapping like this doesn't look too good in my opinion.
- 01:47:624 (3) - You might as well keep this a regular curve instead of linear so it pairs with 01:49:030 (3).
- 02:08:013 (1,4) - This overlap should be avoided too.
- 02:09:419 (1,2,3,4) - I think using two different kinds of angles for this combo looks kind of rough (1-2-3 is basically right-angled, and 2-3-4 is wide). Try to simplify the pattern a bit.
- 02:11:176 (2,3) - I don't think this needs emphasis by going against your general structure and increasing spacing. Most of your map has combos with clear paths rather than crossing over each other like you did here.
- 02:54:416 - I don't think this final section needs larger spacing between objects. In my opinion, the climax of the song has already passed where this is calmer in comparison, and since this is leading up to the outro, it would work better with less intense patterns and spacing.
- Widescreen SB might as well be turned off too.

Rumi's Insane
- 00:00:084 - Red and green lines have different samplesets.
- 00:22:552 - Red and green line has inconsistent kiai.
- 00:08:520 (1,2) - 00:09:224 (3,4) - I would find a way to increase this spacing so that this 1/1 gap is clearer and more obvious, since you just recently used larger spacing for 1/2 rhythm.
- 01:41:296 - Why isn't this drum heard anywhere else in this section? I think it's pretty cool and it's a shame it doesn't come back until after the next kiai.
- 01:53:424 (2,3) - This spacing feels kind of excessive and doesn't seem to be consistent with the rest of this section.
- 01:57:819 (5) - Would be cool if this was a linear curve like 01:57:116 (3,4).

Determination
- 00:32:395 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - 00:43:644 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - I feel like it would be more representative of the music for this to have decreasing spacing since the pitch is also decreasing, rather than having the whole thing be about the same (and for the final jump to be the largest).
- 02:29:106 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I expected larger spacing patterns for this given the spacing of the other combos in this section, and how much more intense the music is from the background whatever you call that instrument. This pattern feels kind of underwhelming.
- 02:34:730 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Kind of similar, I expected these initial jumps to be the larger ones since there's more change in the music going on here.
- 02:36:137 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - On the other hand, since the music doesn't change any more, continuing to increase the spacing doesn't seem to make much sense. 02:37:191 (1,2) makes even less sense to be the largest jump since it's not even supported by that held high pitch synth thing anymore.

Mostly pretty neat. I would personally like to see some more work on polishing the Hard a little more before I come back to this.

Fatfan Kolek

590 posts

Joined January 2013

Topic Starter

Fatfan Kolek 2017-09-14T15:45:40+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
Easy
- 00:43:995 (2,3,1) - Might as well keep these the same spacing, even the SV changes, just so it looks neater. Alrighty, fixed
- 02:54:416 (3,4,1,2,3) - Might work better to have this as one combo rather than how you split them currently. Lol, you're right, fixed

Determination
- 00:32:395 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - 00:43:644 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2) - I feel like it would be more representative of the music for this to have decreasing spacing since the pitch is also decreasing, rather than having the whole thing be about the same (and for the final jump to be the largest). yea, i feel you here, it was kind of outdated and an old pattern, changed it to make it more fitting
- 02:29:106 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4) - I expected larger spacing patterns for this given the spacing of the other combos in this section, and how much more intense the music is from the background whatever you call that instrument. This pattern feels kind of underwhelming. Mhh, I don't really set it that way, for me the sounds who remind me of the soft whistle are calmer than the rest of this part, that's why i mapped it with lower spacing
- 02:34:730 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Kind of similar, I expected these initial jumps to be the larger ones since there's more change in the music going on here. oof, i tried a lot of patterns wih different spacing variations already on this one, because i struggle on them for some reason. I could argue that the guitar sound with the onholding intense sound is worth the spacing. Idk, haven't found another pattern which i feel is good for it and satisfies me :/
- 02:36:137 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - On the other hand, since the music doesn't change any more, continuing to increase the spacing doesn't seem to make much sense. 02:37:191 (1,2) makes even less sense to be the largest jump since it's not even supported by that held high pitch synth thing anymore. ^

Mazziv

998 posts

Joined July 2013

Mazziv 2017-09-14T16:04:31+00:00

-Mo- wrote:
Maz' Hard
- 00:00:084 - Red and green lines have different samplesets. woops
- 00:22:200 (4,1) - I'd say this would look neater if this has the same spacing as 00:21:849 (3,4). x
- 00:30:988 (1,2,3) - This combo could look neater I think. Slider 3 doesn't really point from circle 2 that well while everything else in this section does. i dont quite get what the problem is here :/
- 01:20:731 (2,3) - This overlap might as well be avoided. It would look neater if there was even spacing between 1-2-3 (DS doesn't have to be the same). i like the overlap and it doesnt really do anyhing major so it should be fine
- 01:31:805 (2,3) - I would nudge these away from each other so they don't look like they're almost touching.
- 01:44:460 (2,3) - Similar thing, barely overlapping like this doesn't look too good in my opinion. since i did that already before i think its fine
- 01:47:624 (3) - You might as well keep this a regular curve instead of linear so it pairs with 01:49:030 (3). i did this kinda pattern here already 01:35:672 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - curver > ankle
- 02:08:013 (1,4) - This overlap should be avoided too. fixd! inv4 overlap with other object: its not visible during gameplay
- 02:09:419 (1,2,3,4) - I think using two different kinds of angles for this combo looks kind of rough (1-2-3 is basically right-angled, and 2-3-4 is wide). Try to simplify the pattern a bit. i dont really think this pattern is ''hard'' you have a simple ccwise motion
- 02:11:176 (2,3) - I don't think this needs emphasis by going against your general structure and increasing spacing. Most of your map has combos with clear paths rather than crossing over each other like you did here. i just think that at the end i can do some trickier stuff as in the beginning or in the middle also id like to do bring in some variety
- 02:54:416 - I don't think this final section needs larger spacing between objects. In my opinion, the climax of the song has already passed where this is calmer in comparison, and since this is leading up to the outro, it would work better with less intense patterns and spacing. the song still has power at the end which is emphasized by a big spacing i think that should be okay
- Widescreen SB might as well be turned off too. ++

Mostly pretty neat. I would personally like to see some more work on polishing the Hard a little more before I come back to this.

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Fatfan Kolek

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Fatfan Kolek 2017-09-14T16:41:34+00:00

updated easy, hard and extra diff.. also fixed the small errors mazziv was too lazy for LOL

i'll got through normal and insane now as they gave me permission to long ago

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-Mo- wrote:
Little's Normal
- 00:22:552 - Red and green line has inconsistent kiai. fixed
- 00:29:231 (2,3) - 00:33:449 (4,1) - 00:40:480 (2,3) etc - I would say it's better to not stack 1/1, since you're already stacking 1/2 earlier on, just so it's easier to handle and read for beginners. i think it's fine, because it's a normal. On an easy map this would be more of an issue imo
- 01:49:733 (1,4) - You might as well avoid this overlap. lol fixed
- 02:01:686 (2) - This has the drum slider-slide over it for some reason.vfoxed
- 02:07:837 (4) - Not sure if the drum-normal is missing or intentional, but might as well point it out. faxed

Rumi's Insane
- 00:00:084 - Red and green lines have different samplesets. fixed
- 00:22:552 - Red and green line has inconsistent kiai. fixed
- 00:08:520 (1,2) - 00:09:224 (3,4) - I would find a way to increase this spacing so that this 1/1 gap is clearer and more obvious, since you just recently used larger spacing for 1/2 rhythm. mhh, i think he made that clear with how he made that pattern, i wont change it, it's fine honestly c:
- 01:41:296 - Why isn't this drum heard anywhere else in this section? I think it's pretty cool and it's a shame it doesn't come back until after the next kiai. oof, you can hear it as the last hitsound though idk it's ok though i dont wanna overuse
- 01:53:424 (2,3) - This spacing feels kind of excessive and doesn't seem to be consistent with the rest of this section. ye i agree, fixed
- 01:57:819 (5) - Would be cool if this was a linear curve like 01:57:116 (3,4). also fixed

Updated all the diffs c:

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-Mo- 2017-09-16T13:12:55+00:00

Did something with that jump pattern in top diff and changed the BG to .jpg.

Hard looks a lot better now too. It fills me with

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