So last time I posted in the Development forum, I said that while I have apologized for the actions I've done earlier, that won't stop me from actively pushing for change, nor will it stop me from calling out staff when I feel that things are not being done in the most beneficial way
I discussed this mildly on Loctav's ask.fm, but I'm impatient so I decided to go ahead and bring it up here
http://ask.fm/Loctav_/answer/132632357542
So tl;dr, the BN team is right now at a standstill. Nobody is getting removed, but because of that, nobody is getting added. However, there have still been many high leveled contributors who would be worthy of BN status, but now are entering the 2nd month of being barred from entering due to the lack of any sort of team management. I understand that the BN Ranking is still a work in progress, but it's been a work in progress for quite a while now. It's been at LEAST 4-5 months now that it's been a thing, and it's honestly tiring to see that proper team management is compromised due to procrastination (I have not seen any public announcements about the development of the new BN Ranking, so I am left to assume that it is a dead project, similar to modding v2).
Now, the main point of this topic isn't to bitch about my issues with the staff, but rather to offer solutions and open a public discussion to either have this go into effect, or receive legitimate reasoning as to why it is ineffective.
So the question is "How do we effectively regluate who stays and who doesn't."
I've always been an advocate for consistent activity in the BN. While I do agree that there should be quality over quantity, I also feel that there needs to be a sufficient amount of quantity to make their addition to the team worthwhile. It's kind of like working in a factory. If someone can stack boxes really well, but is slow at it, you're going to want to find someone else that still stacks boxes decently, but is more efficient at it.
So here is a list of everyone that, based on kudosu history (and at times, last login date) has struggled to make many contirbutions to the Beatmap Nomination process as a BN. Note that this list is an unbiased as possible, and includes many mutual friends.
This will be organized into 3 lists
Very few mods monthyl
-Nya- (2 mods this month, 2 mods last month, etc)
captin1 (1 mod this month, previous mod was 2 months ago)
Flask (1 mod this month, 2 mods last month)
Kenterz (1 mod this month, last mod 3 months ago)
OniJAM (1 mod this month, 1 mod last month)
Sekai-Nyan (1 mod this month, last mod 2 months ago)
Momochikun (1 mod this month, last mod technically 2 months ago (end of July))
Nwolf (1 mod this month, last mod 1 month ago)
qoot8123 (1 mod this month, last mod 2 months ago)
_S u w a k o_ (last mod 1 month ago)
DE-CADE (last mod 1 month ago)
Evening (last mod 1 month ago)
Little (1 mod this month, last mod 1 month ago)
Harbyter (Last mod 1 month ago)
Inactive (No mods in the last month)
Inazuma (Last mod 2 months ago)
Hollow Wings (Last mod 2 months ago, previous mod 4 months ago)
Lally (Last login 3 months ago)
Mei (Last mod 2 months ago)
Loneight (Last mod 5 months ago)
Sakura (Last mod 6 months ago)
Static Noise Bird (Last mod 4 months ago)
Stefan (Last mod 2 months ago, previous mod 6 months ago)
Xgor (Last mod 7 months ago)
Zero__wind (last mod 2 months ago)
Love (Last mod 3 months ago)
mingmichael (Last mod 4 months ago)
Spectator (Last mod 2 months ago)
arcwinolovirus (Last mod 3 months ago)
REDYUMiKA (Last mod 4 months ago)
Quit (As expressed on userpage)
Alarido
lkx_shore
Oracle (Not sure if he quit but uhh his last login was 4 months ago so)
Inyuschan
tutuhaha
Ichigaki
Yauxo (Not sure if quit but last mod was 1 month ago)
In total, there are 36 names. The first section is relatively questionable, but for sure there are 22 people that have not made a contribution in MONTHS, at least in the modding side of the game. Note that I did not check bubbles, but still, I doubt that anybody on the list have been exclusively bubbling enough to be considered active.
As I said before THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON EITHER THE STAFF NOR THE MEMBERS OF THE BEATMAP NOMINATORS GROUP this is literally just a call for some sort of action to increase the productivity of the BN as well as allow fair treatment for newer members to be added, instead of being blocked due to the amount of old members on the team. Especially considering that these people amount for 33% of the team (36 people against a team of 106 (technically 105 because I'm not entirely sure what Charles is).
I know it is possible to make comebacks, and many BNs have done so, which is why I made the separation between people who have simply just been really slow and may need a kick in the ass to get back on track, and people who have obviously decided to no longer give contributions. I am not even using very strict criteria. In my personal belief system, if the kudosu history even shows "one month ago", there's a problem, but I am being VERY relaxed here by only listing people who have done LITERALLY NOTHING in the past month (month as in between 30 days from today and today, not the month of september ) or more.
I feel the most effective way to clean out the BN team is to
1) Have a discussion with inactive members in the first group. See if they've decided to just stop or if they are willed to continue modding. In the BN ranking topic, it is said that about 3-5 mods (I'm going off the top of my head so. . .) is neccessary per month to not lose (now hypothetical) BN score. In this case, many people would have sunk down heavily, and possibly gone below acceptable levels.
2) Remove people from columns 2 and 3. I have seen staff members defend people to the death because there's the belief that "as long as you do a little here and there, you're still contributing", but these people have done NOTHING for a LONG time. If they want to come back and do more, that's great, but they can go through the process again to be re-added.
3) Make a note to make activity in the BN more strict. It's tough to monitor BN progress manually, I know, but there should be a time once a month or so (until BN Ranking comes out, so. . . pretty much forever) where kudosu history is looked at, as well as bubble history and such, and people who are making very little contributions should be talked to, and warned that they will be removed if they do not step up their work. It is not demeaning them or being an asshole to them, it's applying standards to a job and ensuring that people accomplish those basic standards. Because being a BN is a job. As a BN you are literally the first round of progress between the progression of content in the game. Even though the BN isn't staff, the BN isn't a perk, but a job to contribute to the game to ensure that proper maps are pushed through and approved.
I'm interested to hear opinions about this, and hopefully some progress can be made from this.
And as a reminder THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ANYONE. I recently had to go through some shit because I called out a BN for misconduct, and I swear I had 5 people view it as a personal attack. I'm not posting this topic to be like "haha man, I hope xxx and yyy get kicked off >:))))", but rather to say "these are the facts. Let's progress with them."
lets hope i don't regret this
Also, I'd post this in the BN forum, but uhhhhhhh whoops.
I discussed this mildly on Loctav's ask.fm, but I'm impatient so I decided to go ahead and bring it up here
http://ask.fm/Loctav_/answer/132632357542
So tl;dr, the BN team is right now at a standstill. Nobody is getting removed, but because of that, nobody is getting added. However, there have still been many high leveled contributors who would be worthy of BN status, but now are entering the 2nd month of being barred from entering due to the lack of any sort of team management. I understand that the BN Ranking is still a work in progress, but it's been a work in progress for quite a while now. It's been at LEAST 4-5 months now that it's been a thing, and it's honestly tiring to see that proper team management is compromised due to procrastination (I have not seen any public announcements about the development of the new BN Ranking, so I am left to assume that it is a dead project, similar to modding v2).
Now, the main point of this topic isn't to bitch about my issues with the staff, but rather to offer solutions and open a public discussion to either have this go into effect, or receive legitimate reasoning as to why it is ineffective.
So the question is "How do we effectively regluate who stays and who doesn't."
I've always been an advocate for consistent activity in the BN. While I do agree that there should be quality over quantity, I also feel that there needs to be a sufficient amount of quantity to make their addition to the team worthwhile. It's kind of like working in a factory. If someone can stack boxes really well, but is slow at it, you're going to want to find someone else that still stacks boxes decently, but is more efficient at it.
So here is a list of everyone that, based on kudosu history (and at times, last login date) has struggled to make many contirbutions to the Beatmap Nomination process as a BN. Note that this list is an unbiased as possible, and includes many mutual friends.
This will be organized into 3 lists
Very few mods monthyl
-Nya- (2 mods this month, 2 mods last month, etc)
captin1 (1 mod this month, previous mod was 2 months ago)
Flask (1 mod this month, 2 mods last month)
Kenterz (1 mod this month, last mod 3 months ago)
OniJAM (1 mod this month, 1 mod last month)
Sekai-Nyan (1 mod this month, last mod 2 months ago)
Momochikun (1 mod this month, last mod technically 2 months ago (end of July))
Nwolf (1 mod this month, last mod 1 month ago)
qoot8123 (1 mod this month, last mod 2 months ago)
_S u w a k o_ (last mod 1 month ago)
DE-CADE (last mod 1 month ago)
Evening (last mod 1 month ago)
Little (1 mod this month, last mod 1 month ago)
Harbyter (Last mod 1 month ago)
Inactive (No mods in the last month)
Inazuma (Last mod 2 months ago)
Hollow Wings (Last mod 2 months ago, previous mod 4 months ago)
Lally (Last login 3 months ago)
Mei (Last mod 2 months ago)
Loneight (Last mod 5 months ago)
Sakura (Last mod 6 months ago)
Static Noise Bird (Last mod 4 months ago)
Stefan (Last mod 2 months ago, previous mod 6 months ago)
Xgor (Last mod 7 months ago)
Zero__wind (last mod 2 months ago)
Love (Last mod 3 months ago)
mingmichael (Last mod 4 months ago)
Spectator (Last mod 2 months ago)
arcwinolovirus (Last mod 3 months ago)
REDYUMiKA (Last mod 4 months ago)
Quit (As expressed on userpage)
Alarido
lkx_shore
Oracle (Not sure if he quit but uhh his last login was 4 months ago so)
Inyuschan
tutuhaha
Ichigaki
Yauxo (Not sure if quit but last mod was 1 month ago)
In total, there are 36 names. The first section is relatively questionable, but for sure there are 22 people that have not made a contribution in MONTHS, at least in the modding side of the game. Note that I did not check bubbles, but still, I doubt that anybody on the list have been exclusively bubbling enough to be considered active.
As I said before THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON EITHER THE STAFF NOR THE MEMBERS OF THE BEATMAP NOMINATORS GROUP this is literally just a call for some sort of action to increase the productivity of the BN as well as allow fair treatment for newer members to be added, instead of being blocked due to the amount of old members on the team. Especially considering that these people amount for 33% of the team (36 people against a team of 106 (technically 105 because I'm not entirely sure what Charles is).
I know it is possible to make comebacks, and many BNs have done so, which is why I made the separation between people who have simply just been really slow and may need a kick in the ass to get back on track, and people who have obviously decided to no longer give contributions. I am not even using very strict criteria. In my personal belief system, if the kudosu history even shows "one month ago", there's a problem, but I am being VERY relaxed here by only listing people who have done LITERALLY NOTHING in the past month (month as in between 30 days from today and today, not the month of september ) or more.
I feel the most effective way to clean out the BN team is to
1) Have a discussion with inactive members in the first group. See if they've decided to just stop or if they are willed to continue modding. In the BN ranking topic, it is said that about 3-5 mods (I'm going off the top of my head so. . .) is neccessary per month to not lose (now hypothetical) BN score. In this case, many people would have sunk down heavily, and possibly gone below acceptable levels.
2) Remove people from columns 2 and 3. I have seen staff members defend people to the death because there's the belief that "as long as you do a little here and there, you're still contributing", but these people have done NOTHING for a LONG time. If they want to come back and do more, that's great, but they can go through the process again to be re-added.
3) Make a note to make activity in the BN more strict. It's tough to monitor BN progress manually, I know, but there should be a time once a month or so (until BN Ranking comes out, so. . . pretty much forever) where kudosu history is looked at, as well as bubble history and such, and people who are making very little contributions should be talked to, and warned that they will be removed if they do not step up their work. It is not demeaning them or being an asshole to them, it's applying standards to a job and ensuring that people accomplish those basic standards. Because being a BN is a job. As a BN you are literally the first round of progress between the progression of content in the game. Even though the BN isn't staff, the BN isn't a perk, but a job to contribute to the game to ensure that proper maps are pushed through and approved.
I'm interested to hear opinions about this, and hopefully some progress can be made from this.
And as a reminder THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ANYONE. I recently had to go through some shit because I called out a BN for misconduct, and I swear I had 5 people view it as a personal attack. I'm not posting this topic to be like "haha man, I hope xxx and yyy get kicked off >:))))", but rather to say "these are the facts. Let's progress with them."
Also, I'd post this in the BN forum, but uhhhhhhh whoops.