ExNeko wrote:

Mania
1|2|3|4

Spy.K's Another

00:29:287 (29287|1) - remove, I think they should be the same 00:29:287 (29287|2,29594|1) - There was another sound there but feels better after removed.
00:29:748 (29748|0) - add a note for clap Added.

Spy.K's Hyper

00:12:825 (12825|0) - remove, You used double note in [Another], which I can think it follow the voice, But for [Hyper], I think this is not necessary I can try then.
00:14:056 (14056|2) - ^ If so, you still not mention some notes.
00:21:133 (21133|3,21440|0) - move to col1 4 for better gameplay It could be.
01:08:979 (68979|3) - to col1 then 01:09:133 (69133|0,69133|1,69210|2,69210|3,69287|1,69287|0) - ctrl+h Alright.
01:17:364 (77364|1) - col3, Reduce overlap01:17:364 (77364|1,77517|1,77671|1) - It could be.
01:54:364 (114364|2,114517|1) - move right a col Don't get it but think nothing wrong here.

Spy.K's Normal

00:29:594 (29594|1,29748|2) - move left a col for reduce overlap 00:29:748 (29748|2,30056|2,30364|2) - As your wish.

Madoka2574 wrote:

Mod for mania diffs.

1丨2丨3丨4

Another

00:24:210 (24210|1) - Move to column 4,since column 4 is relatively empty Did from other mod.
00:29:287 (29287|1,29287|2,29440|3,29440|0) - single 'cause the drum stops at 00:29:133 - Removed.
00:29:748 - can be double Did from other mod.
00:37:364 (37364|1) - remove this one.You didn't place note here 00:36:133 - and I think the 2 parts are nearly the same so they should be consistent. Removed.
00:38:594 (38594|0) - the same ^ Removed.
00:44:748 (44748|1,44748|0) - why double but 00:44:825 (44825|2) - single? I assume that you used double for drum then the drum should be at 00:44:825 - Added.

Hyper

00:10:364 - here i think triple is better since 00:15:287 - 00:17:748 - they are all triple for heavy drum. You can use double for it is an easier diff but at least these 3 should be consistent imo Added a note for missing main melody.

Normal

00:47:287 - I don't think it is good to reduce the difficulty here...I suggest using 1/2 until 00:49:440 - What I can do it just add one more note on 00:48:056 - .
01:00:517 - add a note for clear drum sound It could be.
01:03:594 (63594|0) - move to 01:03:517 - (in column 2).Just like you did here 01:02:979 (62979|2,63056|0) - (Remember to change the hitsound) Did some changes.
01:05:440 - same ^ add a note Added.
01:06:671 - Why single? you used double at 01:01:748 - ! Forgot to removed while reducing star rating.

Considering the big gap between Hyper and Another,I think making Another diff a bit easier would be nice in some places.For example,01:30:364 - There is no need to use jumpstreams in Another diff imo I'm planning to make it easier, however I don't think I should ignore scratches on this part, it also means I have to do jumpstreams.
But as for the kiai part,I think it is acceptable.If you increase the density in Hyper then there will be a big gap between Normal and Hyper.What cause this issue is that the map has only 3 diffs.For a 1.9*,a 3.3*,and a 4.5* diff,the designs are all reasonable. 3 diffs is not a reason for anything. So does star rating. I don't actually think anything wrong among them. What I can do is just make them easier.

Tofu1222 wrote:

Litharrale wrote:

If I really have to go in detail on why you cant go from 1/1 singles to a jumpstream I'm going to lose my mind

He just wanna have you mention a few timing points that need change and how to change them. Here they are.

4K:1|2|3|4

[Normal & Hyper]

1. 01:52:517 - to 01:53:133 - 1/1 notes in normal but 1/4 jumps in hyper indeed cause some trouble about the gap. My suggestion is to nerf hyper to 1/2 jumps. As your wish, check out.
2. 02:01:133 - to 02:02:364 - In normal you only have one LN and one note, however in hyper you still keep all 1/4 notes. I think you can make normal a little bit harder. Maybe try something like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9678112 As your wish.

Other things about gap is OK. 1/1 patterns and 1/2 patterns are reasonable gaps. Pattern-making is another thing, though. The patterns that one feels biased does not necesssarily mean they are bad and wild patterns.

Below are my own opinions.

[Normal]

1. 00:09:287 (9287|0) - It seems like in this part you are following drums, but here does not have a drum, so maybe delete it? OK.
2. 00:17:902 - The melody continues with 1/2 patterns through this part, but you skip this line with no note on it. How about adding one to complete this melody line? Don't feel it is obvious, but it is fine.
3. 00:56:825 (56825|2) - In my opinion, turing this note into a LN that ends at 00:57:133 - will be a good idea to represent the impact of this vocal. It could be.
4. 01:00:517 - I think you miss a drum sound here. How about adding one note on col2? No, I made it to be single note for reducing star rating.
5. 01:03:517 - This drum keeps a noticeable impact, so I think you'd better catch it. Added already from other mod.
6. 01:05:440 - This drum is even stronger than 01:05:594 (65594|1) - , but you still ignore it. I prefer you to add a note for it instead. Added from other mod.
7. 01:26:517 (86517|2) - You didn't have such note on this place in previous places like 01:21:594 - and 01:24:056 - , so how about deleting it for consistency? Sure.
8. 01:45:902 - and 01:50:825 - 01:55:748 - , I know you are following the melody sounds in the kiai part, but the drums actually make an important role too. I think by adding one note on each of these two lines, you will not really disturb your follow on melody, but still in this way you are keeping closer to Hyper (which reduces gap). For example. for 01:50:825 - , you can add the note on col3 or col4 not to disturb your melody flow from right to left. As your wish.
9. 01:53:440 - Here is a cymbal+drum. How about making it into a double? It could be.
10. From 01:59:902 - to 02:01:133 - , how about continuing your 1/2 patterns as what you did in the previous bar since the drum is still going and the music is rising and rising at the end, so I think the note density may also follow such buildup in music. Fine.

[Hyper]

1. 00:24:825 - Here the sound goes quite stronger than those before (e.g. 00:24:210 (24210|1,24210|0) - 00:24:517 (24517|2,24517|0) - ), so I think a triple note here would fit it more. Not really. The reason makes you feel it is stronger just because of snare is more louder than kick. triple notes are too much for me to use here.
2. 00:29:825 - I don't really think there is a sound but only the echo of the sound on 00:29:748 - , so I think it is better to delete 00:29:825 (29825|1) - this note. Removed.
3. 00:50:825 (50825|0,50825|3,50825|1) - This note, in my opinion, should be a double note because it has no cymbal on it, and in your another it is just a double too. Sure.
4. 00:55:748 - Here is the same idea as above, to make this into a double note. Same as above.
5. 01:03:056 - Here should be a triple note too because it is a cymbal+drum. Added
6. 01:48:517 - I perceive this sound to be quite strong (I am not sure if it is with a cymbal), but I do suggest a triple here. No, the reason makes you suggest triple notes here just because it is a ending here, however if comparing with 01:48:825 (108825|0,108825|1,108825|3) - , it is obviously no need to use triple notes.

[Another]

1. As these three drum sounds 00:22:056 (22056|3,22056|0,22210|3,22210|0,22364|0,22364|2) - do have a noticeable impact, I think you can stack all of them like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9686993 As your wish.
2. 00:30:440 - 00:31:825 - 00:36:133 - I feel a bit weird here that you stop the 1/4 jumps in these 3 places. In my opinion the jumps should continue through the whole part, so I prefer you to add notes on these 3 lines, where I can indeed hear the sounds that substantiate you to place notes on them. As your wish.
3. 00:38:748 - I don't really hear a sound on this line, so after deleting it, how about making the pattern into this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9687002 Made some changes.
4. 00:43:056 (43056|2,43133|3,43210|2,43287|3,43364|2,43440|3) - This pattern seems a bit questionable for me because it is really right hand biased. I prefer some rearrangements here. As your wish.
5. 00:55:748 (55748|3,55748|2,55748|1) - Actually you get no cymbal sound here, so a double note would be just enough. Changed.
6. From 01:27:902 - to 01:29:133 - , since this is the highest difficulty, I prefer to have the full melodic sounds being mapped, like this: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9687011 As your wish.
7. 01:30:594 (90594|2) - I don't really hear a sound here. Delete it instead. Removed.
8. 02:03:440 - How about adding a note here to make the melodic sound stand out? Didn't I add a note here? One more?

I don't know if I will be modding Hyper and Another, but I hope in this way the popped issue can be resolved and the map itself can be improved.

Tofu1222 wrote:

4K:1|2|3|4

[General]

1. For all diffs, add "kick" to 01:11:594 - and 01:11:902 - . Added.
2. It may be my fault, but to focus on drums, for all diffs, 00:04:364 - here doesn't need a note. Removed.

[Normal]

1. 00:15:287 (15287|1) - Move to col1 so the stacks on col2 can be nerfed. Moved.
2. 00:55:748 (55748|2) - Just like 00:50:825 (50825|1,50979|1) - , you may move this to col2 so the stacks can give more impact on the kicks. Moved.
3. 01:15:364 (75364|1) - If you are following vocals, this note should be on 01:15:440 - . Nope, this is not vocal, and I add some notes here so that you may understand what I followed.
4. 01:18:056 (78056|3,78210|2,78364|1,78517|0,78671|1) - How about these notes? If following vocals things should be like http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9926883 OK.
5. 01:48:979 - 01:51:440 - I think you need notes here to complete the whole melody line. Also, you did catch similar ones like 01:44:056 (104056|1,106517|3) - , right? OK then.
6. 01:54:210 - Add a note here, just like what you did for 01:56:671 (116671|3) - . It's a part of melody. Added

[Hyper]

1. 00:17:902 (17902|2) - Regardless of other diffs, the patterns will be more balanced if this note is on col1 or col2. Moved.
2. 00:29:440 - Compared to 00:29:133 - , it is too weak to put a double note on. Single note here fits better. OK then.
3. 01:00:364 - 01:00:671 - As here are kicks, I think you also need triples for these two lines. Nope, actually I feel it is a little hard here and the triple note included cymbal, other 2 notes are not.
4. 01:16:825 - Double note here is enough for this diff. Removed.
5. 01:24:056 (84056|0) - Move this to col3 or col4 for balance. Moved to 4.

[Another]

1. 00:28:902 (28902|1) - Since you are into a new bar, I think you may not need this to follow your previous pattern. Removed.
2. 00:30:056 - to 00:38:671 - I don't mean any offense, definitely 1/4 jumps in Another and 1/2 jumps in Hyper makes a good spread.However, stacks in this part make the 1/4 jumps actually harder than expect. For instance, 00:31:594 (31594|3,31671|2,31748|3,31825|2,31979|2,32056|3,32133|2,32210|3) - here the patterns are inclined to right hand, with actually way more pressure on it. And 00:32:825 (32825|3,32902|2,32979|1,33056|2,33133|3,33210|2,33287|1,33364|2,33440|3) - this one may also be questionable to some, to which a good solution may be ctrl+h 00:33:210 (33210|2,33287|1,33364|2) - this pattern and rearrange the following. Anyway, it's a general opinion on this, so the more stacks you can prevent, the better the spread is. Stacks just mean notes stacking on top of each other in the same column, in which questionable ones are usually more than four or five. I have rearrnaged this part, you can check again then.
3. 00:36:364 - 00:34:517 - I don't really see any need to double these notes without any drums on them.Single notes are just enough. Removed as single notes.
4. 00:39:133 - Single note here should be better representing its volume. Removed.
5. 00:47:517 - I actually hear a sound here. OK then. I hope you're not heard vocal here.
6. 00:50:287 (50287|2) - Delete this as you never catch such after this like 00:52:748 - and 00:55:210 - . Removed.
7. 01:43:902 - to 01:58:671 - My opinion for 00:30:056 - to 00:38:671 - also fits here. I do think that by avoiding more stacks the patterns can be much better. Only one thing, you may keep those that are quite noticeable, like 01:52:517 (112517|2,112594|3,112671|2,112748|3,112825|2,112902|3,112979|2,113056|3,113133|2) - this, which stand for the disk sounds. For other stacks not intended to create like 01:51:364 (111364|1,111517|1,111671|1,111825|1) - , you can think of better patterns to replace them. Same as above, I rearrenged them, you can check again then.

What's more, you may find someone experienced to also check if notes are correctly snapped to each sound from 00:39:902 - to 00:49:748 - and from 01:14:364 - to 01:19:287 - as a confirmation.

The general patterns in Another might be brought up again by others if I just ignore them. So you may just do your best to try to rearrange them for fewer stacks so as to reduce the gap between it and Hyper. Normal and Hyper are quite solid, on the other hand. Alright, sure, I will check again then.

Tofu1222 wrote:

Recheck.

[Another]

1. 00:30:056 - to 00:34:671 - As I perceived, on every 1/4 there is at least a hihat sound, so I think you can just do 1/4 jumpstreams for the whole part with doubles on white lines. Added.
2. 00:32:056 (32056|1,32210|1,32364|1,32517|1,32671|1) - Rearrange to avoid this stack. Rearranged.
3. 00:39:287 - How about having a double here? The drum is kind heavy. Added.
4. 00:39:902 - to 00:48:825 - I have no offsense on your idea, but in my opinion, some 1/4 sounds are kinda too weak and unclear so actually I don't suggest you to catch too many. Instead, you may keep a note catch like: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9995300 and https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9995305. Following this you can make all this part into this note catch but arrangements are your choice. This is the safest way I can think that keeps most of this part but actually no ghost note at all. How about this, then?
5. 00:53:364 (53364|2) - I don't really suggest catching this because you didn't do it on all other parts. Removed.
6. 01:14:364 - to 01:19:287 - The conclusion I get from this part is that it is really messy when the vocals are mixed with the melodies. What I suggest is this: catch vocal in Normal (because they take fewer notes to express) and catch melodies in Hyper and Another. For Hyper you may nerf the Another pattern like triple nerfed to double. But there should not be any misses of the notes in Hyper because this might be considered as an issue of inconsistency note arrangement, and indeed the melodies sound the same generally. Here is the snaps of the melodies I made for you in Another (Patterns are your own choice): https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9995332, https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9995339, https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9995343, and https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9995346. Rearranged and removed some notes.
7. 01:32:594 (92594|0) - Delete this so the pattern can focus on melody more. Removed.
8. 01:32:902 (92902|1) - Delete this so the pattern can focus on disk sound more. Removed.
9. 01:33:671 - Add a note for disk sound here. You catch this in Hyper. Added.
10. 01:45:979 (105979|2) - Ghost note here. Removed.
11. 01:48:748 - Better have a note here for the disk sound. No, didn't hear anything here.
12. 01:50:287 (110287|1,110594|1) - Delete them to keep consistent with 01:45:133 (105133|3,105133|2,105210|1,105287|0,105440|3,105440|0,105517|2,105594|1) - . Removed.
13. 01:51:210 (111210|1) - Ghost note here. Removed.
14. 01:55:517 - Add a note here for the melody. Added.
15. 01:55:979 - Add one here for the disk sound. Added.
16. 01:56:133 (116133|0) - Ghost note here. Removed.
17. 01:58:133 (118133|1) - ^ Removed.

Will check other diffs later. This time I used my best effort to help with the snap stuff.

Tofu1222 wrote:

[Normal]

1. 01:14:364 - to 01:19:287 - A good fix for this part (because actually melodies are missing for quite a lot and it is too complex for Normal) is to catch vocals accurately instead. Then add notes on 01:14:517 - 01:15:440 - 01:15:594 - and delete 01:15:364 (75364|1,75748|2,75825|1,76056|2,76133|1,76210|0) - 01:16:364 (76364|2) - . 01:15:902 (75902|0) - You may make this a LN until 01:16:517 - Sorry, nope. for the reverse cymbal and then add 01:18:979 - to give some emphasis on the final drums. Same, I don't think this is necessary. Other parts are fixed.

[Hyper]

1. 00:50:440 - 00:54:133 - 00:55:364 - 00:59:056 - May have notes on these lines just as what you did in Another Added.
2. 01:14:364 - to 01:19:287 - First check the Another mods for this part and then apply the same note catch in Hyper. Added.
3. 01:51:210 (111210|3) - Delete this since you didn't even have it in Another, and actually no sound too. Removed.
4. 02:02:671 - 02:02:979 - You may add notes on white lines to make it not so empty compared to Another. Added.

[Another]

1. Because you do 1/4 jumps for a whole bar from 00:42:364 - , I suggest you also continue it from 00:43:594 - , which means you can add one on 00:43:825 - . Added.
2. Besides, 00:45:133 - 00:46:364 - 00:46:671 - 00:46:979 - On these places you may have double notes since you did actually catch some drums as doubles. Added.
3. 00:48:440 (48440|2) - I think it is a ghost note cuz when playing slowly there is no sound at all. You can delete this and move 00:48:364 (48364|1) - to col3. Removed and moved.
4. 01:15:517 - 01:15:979 - 01:16:287 - 01:17:056 - 01:17:671 - Melody sounds are on these lines but you don't really catch them. I feel that adding notes for them can make your melody line more complete. Added.
5. 01:14:671 (74671|0,74979|0) - 01:15:594 (75594|3,75902|3,76210|3) - 01:17:133 (77133|3,77440|3,77748|0) - 01:18:133 (78133|0,78440|0,78594|3,78902|1,79210|1) - Here are your notes that don't follow the melodies. I am not sure if you actually wanna express vocals or sth else but I do suggest you have them off if you want to make this part absolutely clear. For the last part I am sure that ghost notes are there. Removed, with Hyper.
6. 01:57:287 (117287|1,117440|1,117594|1,117748|1,117902|1) - Try to rearrange to avoid this. Rearranged.
7. Nice fix for kiai and for the first part mentioned. The middle part needs a bit more work but overall this diff is much better.

每个diff最主要的问题还是在中间那段 先把Another修好 Hyper跟Another一样 Normal抓人声 这样就几乎没什么问题了。争取下一次泡！

Protastic101 wrote:

requalified

Stefan wrote:

holy crap, it's qualified

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