Frostings wrote:

uh, because of what happened on Day 1?
That entire quicklynch on Tess is just terrible, I'm suspicious of everyone that was involved

Drezi wrote:

@farto I'm making my stance clear, we have no reason not to vote before possible results, if anything it's extra info how votes shift afterwards.

@Frostings I haven't been crumbing ANYTHING - AT - ALL.

- Magic Bomb - wrote:

My only thought about this is, if you expected this, why didn't you unvote? It wouldn't have mattered anyway, due to SNB's vote, but in this situation, if my vote was on Tess, I probably would've unvoted, to avoid a hammer.

Frostings wrote:

I feel like roleclaiming. Can I roleclaim?

rEdo wrote:

I was on phone, had connection issues and that was 10 minutes before Tess' flip? And because YOU were a gorgeous pile of WIFOM considering the last posts before the flip? Also, if talking about lurkers, why you didn't mention Irreversible? I can elaborate, but only and only if you agree. Trust me, you DON'T WANT to hear it yet, please wait a little bit.

fartownik wrote:

Fuck it, Frostings is most likely scum for reading that Tess's wagon was scum-driven.

Drezi wrote:

so you don't find anything wrong with SNB's move onto the wagon and his doings considering Tess flipped town?

Frostings wrote:

fartownik wrote:

Fuck it, Frostings is most likely scum for reading that Tess's wagon was scum-driven.

so you're reading everyone on that wagon town? wtf?

fartownik wrote:

"You were a gorgeous pile of WIFOM considering the last posts before the flip" - So you just scream "FARTOWNIK IS SCUM IF I DIE" because you have a 'gut feeling' on me for my posts during twilight? That's quite fucking ridiculous, isn't it. It doesn't do ANYTHING but cause WIFOM and no one would fucking use that to lynch me the following day.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Yeah alright. I've read things and would have expected better from rEdo. Now in turn they were accusing me of scumpainting while all their reasons were that I were "calling Tess names" with the exception of "I don't even know why Tess' play would be bad as town". I don't know, should I take meta as a valid argument here? This doesn't sound like the usual scumhunting rEdo to me.

So anyway, rEdo might be doing this as a scum because if Tess flips town (no she won't) I'm going to be an easy mislynch tomorrow. I think someone said this, but it could very well be that rEdo might have seen Tess' play as a perfect opportunity for protecting her while knowing that Tess in fact is a townie, thus making my accusations look false over night if that lynch happened. Also talking about how Tess' townplay isn't bad at all would be a perfect setup for a progressive 180, making Tess a possibly valuable mislynch for endgame. Just theorizing here though (inb4 called scumpainting again ).

Tess mentioning that it wouldn't make sense for rEdo to not jump on the wagon if he was scum is not a valid point in any way, either. Not jumping on the wagon can mean:
- Protecting a scumbuddy.
- Trying to look like the Mr. Nice Guy if the Tess lynch would happen anyway and Tess flipped town.
- Actually seeing something townish in Tess' play that nobody else is seeing.

Almost as if rEdo knew and wanted to not vote for the most suspicious person in town.

Unvote

I'll think about this more properly later today. Also I don't have time for proofreading properly now, forgive me for any possible mistakes.

1. We lynch SNB, she flips town. I select two WIFOM bombs (Jess, Amianki) as targets in hope of confirming them town.
2. We lynch SNB, she flips scum. I select one person to suicide check on her in hopes of hitting scum, so we avoid a mislynch on me.
3. We lynch outside of SNB, then I select her as a target. I'm fucking ready to sacrifice myself JUST to prove that flips scum.

fartownik wrote:

Drezi wrote:

so you don't find anything wrong with SNB's move onto the wagon and his doings considering Tess flipped town?

Exactly. I even explained that in one of my previous posts and you would noticed that if you were actually reading.

rEdo wrote:

I'm Metagross, the hider. I can select a person as a Substitute for one night. If the person I selected turned out to be town, I'm immune to all night actions on me. However, if that person is scum, I'm dying. I used my ability N1 on you as a panic move due to that fucking quickhammer. My ability takes priorityo over roleblocking. And since I'm able to post this, fartownik is conftown. If I would die last night, my flip would explain the panic post I wrote.

fartownik wrote:

Your flip would only cause WIFOM and would not be considered as anything relevant since you didn't explain why I would be scum if you died.

fartownik wrote:

Your flip would only cause WIFOM and would not be considered as anything relevant since you didn't explain why I would be scum if you died.

Drezi wrote:

rEdo do you realize that you die if your target gets killed?

rEdo wrote:

That and the doctor flip was the reason I didn't want to claim.

fartownik, you are a fucking dumb person. Drink bleach, please.

fartownik wrote:

rEdo wrote:

I'm Metagross, the hider. I can select a person as a Substitute for one night. If the person I selected turned out to be town, I'm immune to all night actions on me. However, if that person is scum, I'm dying. I used my ability N1 on you as a panic move due to that fucking quickhammer. My ability takes priorityo over roleblocking. And since I'm able to post this, fartownik is conftown. If I would die last night, my flip would explain the panic post I wrote.

Your flip would only cause WIFOM and would not be considered as anything relevant since you didn't explain why I would be scum if you died. This only proves that you planned the whole shit because:

SERIOUSLY, WHY DIDN'T YOU SAY: "fartownik is scum if I die, I am a Hider. I'm going to target him tonight and if he's Mafia, I will die. If he's Town, I will be protected from ANY abilities targeting me. My ability takes priority over roleblocking so I don't have to worry about Mafia roleblocking me on fartownik, and if fartownik is Town, they won't be able to kill me as well since I will be immune. If there's a Doctor in the game he should PROTECT FARTOWNIK FOR FUCKS SAKE AND WE HAVE TWO CONFIRMED TOWN YOU DUMBSHITS." YOU HAD LITERALLY NOTHING TO LOSE BESIDES THAT YOU CLAIM YOUR ROLE, WHICH YOU DID RIGHT AWAY WHEN THE DAY STARTED AND BESIDES THAT I WOULD MOST LIKELY DIE IF THE DOCTOR IS NOT THERE.

Vote: rEdo

NICE TRY NIGGA BUT YOU LOST

Drezi wrote:

I'm in the process of rereading the thread, but I'm gonna address stuff from the day end before that.

farto's move onto the Tess wagon was OK, I had no problem with that and I was still feeling good about the lynch at that time.

Then in quick succession:

fartownik wrote:

Also it seems like it is intending to use its doublevote on Tess, which would be supereffective!

Wait what? It would be supereffective to use the doublevote? We don't want the day to end just yet..

Static Noise Bird wrote:

Guess it would be a good time to move my vote back onto Tess now that we're at L-2 already. I don't want to be left out of the wagon I so eagerly pushed in the beginning

Vote: Tess

!!! Red alarm ringing !!! pure shit move on to the wagon, overexplaiming and making excuses after showing up suddenly for the lynch...

And then bamm HAMMER.

fartownik wrote:

I didnt push for a quickhammer, i just pointed out how jess appeared iut of ducking nowhere right when tess got to l2 and i noticed what she was about to do

And then this explanation, I mean seriously if you tell Jess it'd be super effective to use the double vote, what the hell do you expect will happen?

fartownik wrote:

Drezi stop scumpainting me you snake.

Stop talking. We will talk about it calmly tomorrow. At this rate im pretty sure scum is going to keep me alive to try framing me after Tess said her reads and Drezis scumpainting.

That adhom was pretty uncalled for. I'm not sure if it's town pissed off feeling betrayed (irrationally so) or scum showing teeth when confronted.

fartownik wrote:

Stop talking. We will talk about it calmly tomorrow. At this rate im pretty sure scum is going to keep me alive to try framing me after Tess said her reads and Drezis scumpainting.

STOP TALKING? We'll talk about calmly TOMORROW? You're already making excuses for why you'll be around tomorrow, in a situation like this we have no idea if we'll be around the next day, we're in a rush to get get the most info out in reaction to the quickhammer, and you think I should stop talking?

It's not like me saying you're scum will get you instalynched tomorrow. If I keep quiet, say nothing and you're scum, you can ride an almost flawlessly townread position, without much opposition to victory by simply NK-ing me. I had absolutely no intention risking this scenario. I brought up stuff that should be remembered, and looked at the next day. If you're town this shouldn't really be a problem.

Frostings wrote:

You basically told us your role, and then pretended to be dayvig
I dont even

What?? Please don't give me the "I don't even" when you probably misunderstood something. I have not mentioned anything about my role.

fartownik wrote:

@Drezi: the fact that you already vote for someone not even waiting for everyone to post after the night / potential alignment scan claim kinda itches me.

Amianki wrote:

I really don't like this post.

Drezi wrote:

But I don't understand why you wouldn't claim weak cop, that way scum would've tried to kill you next night, rest being the same?

Frostings wrote:

oh, Zexion was doctor
uh, what?
FoS: Drezi
HoS: Jess
Vote: SNB

Also, looks like I was roleblocked last night. Since a roleblocker was already revealed, I got jailed? which makes no sense, unless there's a jailkeeper scum??

rEdo wrote:

@mod: Does a hider's death via getting night-vigged and via visiting scum differ flipwise? I mean, stuff like "Hider got shot in the head Nx", "Hider went to the wrong neighbourhood Nx".

Drezi wrote:

Amianki wrote:

I really don't like this post.

Be my guest and elaborate instead of dropping one liners whole game.

fartownik wrote:

Because we're full of fucking PRs and it's more than likely that at least one of them has a result on someone and you'd have to switch up your vote/read anyway? So it's quite pointless to vote someone unless you want to achieve something specific by doing that.

Amianki wrote:

fartownik wrote:

Because we're full of fucking PRs and it's more than likely that at least one of them has a result on someone and you'd have to switch up your vote/read anyway? So it's quite pointless to vote someone unless you want to achieve something specific by doing that.

But why does it 'make you itch'?

Drezi wrote:

I AM trying to get an SNB wagon going hello? Spending three words on Jess's hammer, what? Read my last posts from D1 maybe? That post was a recap of last day, and I elaborated on things I couldn't the day before. farto DID look like he was ok with Jess going ahead with the quickhammer, what do yo even mean by passing it off? it was me trying to figure out why'd farto say that, but it's moot now anyway with him and rEdo being pretty much confirmed.

fartownik wrote:

Because we're full of fucking PRs and it's more than likely that at least one of them has a result on someone and you'd have to switch up your vote/read anyway? So it's quite pointless to vote someone unless you want to achieve something specific by doing that.

fartownik wrote:

Amianki wrote:

But why does it 'make you itch'?

Because it's a quite rushed vote. SNB himself did not even have a chance to say anything after the day has begun and he's already being voted by Drezi.

I feel like you're making me say things you would want to say yourself but are afraid to.

fartownik wrote:

Btw, rEdo your ability is practically useless already. If you target wrong, you die and scum has a free kill. If you target right, scum may as well kill you off the same night and you won't be able to confirm your target. I'd say it'd be safer for you and this game to just do nothing tonight so scum at least wastes their nightkill on you, and if by chance they decide to skip killing you, we can continue like this for the next day (with me and you confirmed, unless I die as well).

Drezi wrote:

but jess claimed already, I don't mind claiming, our doc is out anyway, farto claiming shouldn't matter at this point am I missing something?

Amianki wrote:

The point is that we don't need to know his role unless he thinks we do. I don't understand what's so difficult to understand about this.

Static Noise Bird wrote:

If I'm so scum then stop keeping me around please to avoid any more confusion or mislynches or whatever you call them. This game turned bad during the very first pages anyway.

I've completed my 1-shot ability anyway which might have poisoned the town even more (though I did target my main scum suspect).

I'll just stay on Mafiascum in the future. lol bye

Drezi wrote:

Amianki wrote:

The point is that we don't need to know his role unless he thinks we do. I don't understand what's so difficult to understand about this.

I never said it's because we NEED to know fartownik's role, town PR's being identified is obviously a downside to a massclaim (if otherwise they'd be getting killed next night anyway, not so much..), and the advantage is forcing scum to come out and stick with a claim limiting their wiggle room and being held accountable for their night action choices.

It feels like you're just abusing my lack of experience with massclaims to brush it off with shit excuses, because it's a rather delicate matter and you know I'm not sure myself if it's the right course of action.

Amianki wrote:

This is pretty rich considering you've been leading this conversation the entire time.

Navizel wrote:

Roles were assigned before alignments. Roles cannot be used to determine alignment.

-[Jess]- wrote:

This game is getting worse

Vote: No Lynch

Will post something in later