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Mafia in Hoenn Region - Game Over

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fartownik
mod are ya scum
MBomb
Navizel confirmed scum
-[Jess]-
lol
Amianki
@Mod: V/LA until August 2nd. I have the ugliest week and a half at work coming up and I'd be surprised if it didn't mentally kill me at least one day before then.
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Navizel
August 2nd is the deadline...
Drezi

Amianki wrote:

The point is that we don't need to know his role unless he thinks we do. I don't understand what's so difficult to understand about this.
I never said it's because we NEED to know fartownik's role, town PR's being identified is obviously a downside to a massclaim (if otherwise they'd be getting killed next night anyway, not so much..), and the advantage is forcing scum to come out and stick with a claim limiting their wiggle room and being held accountable for their night action choices.

It feels like you're just abusing my lack of experience with massclaims to brush it off with shit excuses, because it's a rather delicate matter and you know I'm not sure myself if it's the right course of action.
Frostings
man I'm confused as shit

I don't think I should be roleclaiming right now. I only wanted to before because I couldn't think of any scenario where my action got cancelled.
But I'm just dumb apparently.

I'm getting certain pings from Amianki, though apparently I'm bad at interpreting them. For now I'll put it at the back of my mind.

Reads:
Town:
fartow + rEdo (unless they're a scumteam, but hider claim as mafia is kinda hard to pull off)
MB

Null-town:
Amianki, Irre

Null:
Ace Timing
Jess (now that I think about it, his hammer doesn't actually indicate anything, could just be derp town, but I'm ok with PL)

Null-scum:
Drezi

Scum:
SNB :roll:
Birdy
If I'm so scum then stop keeping me around please to avoid any more confusion or mislynches or whatever you call them. This game turned bad during the very first pages anyway. :roll:

I've completed my 1-shot ability anyway which might have poisoned the town even more (though I did target my main scum suspect).

I'll just stay on Mafiascum in the future. lol bye
Drezi
can you give your latest reads or something?
rEdo

Static Noise Bird wrote:

If I'm so scum then stop keeping me around please to avoid any more confusion or mislynches or whatever you call them. This game turned bad during the very first pages anyway. :roll:

I've completed my 1-shot ability anyway which might have poisoned the town even more (though I did target my main scum suspect).

I'll just stay on Mafiascum in the future. lol bye
What did you do? No comment to what's happening, either?
Birdy
If you didn't react so strongly to my obvious joke about myself almost being left out of my own wagon, you'd be town but idk.

farto is leaning town after the initial FoS I had on him, obviously mostly due to similar viewpoints on things later during the previous day.

Something about Amianki tells me that they are town, but I'll be less confident about this and say null-town because it's mostly gut based I guess.

Frostings is obviously scum. :roll: tbh I don't take him seriously anymore so let's say null.

rEdo should be just 500 pounds of lies in a 100 pound bag. I believe there can not be this many power roles (or then everyone who has not claimed/revealed simply must be Vanilla). Besides Tess' flip kinda proved rEdo to be the suspicious Mr. Nice Guy that we were suspecting already.

The one I targeted with my ability who will die the next night is my personal main scum suspect. If a scum dies next night you'll probably know who I'm talking about. If not, then whoops, my bad. Yes, I'm claiming Seviper the Poisoner.

Everyone not mentioned is null unless I completely forgot someone, who in that case is probably not just notable enough to be considered either town or scum.

Vote: rEdo
Drezi
Unvote
rEdo
So still no case against me except for I believed Tess was town. Apparently townreading a person that flipped town now is a scumtell. And that appeal to probability, nice. I really loved how you dismissed my question about sheeping fartownik, too :^)

Do you realise that EVEN IF I'm scum it would be in town's interest to keep me alive for one/two more days? I'd rather die by getting killed together with my target than giving scum an easy mislynch. That's what you're trying to do right now, aren't you?
rEdo
btw did you poison Drezi or me? I don't think there's a reason to hide this.
Amianki

Drezi wrote:

Amianki wrote:

The point is that we don't need to know his role unless he thinks we do. I don't understand what's so difficult to understand about this.
I never said it's because we NEED to know fartownik's role, town PR's being identified is obviously a downside to a massclaim (if otherwise they'd be getting killed next night anyway, not so much..), and the advantage is forcing scum to come out and stick with a claim limiting their wiggle room and being held accountable for their night action choices.

It feels like you're just abusing my lack of experience with massclaims to brush it off with shit excuses, because it's a rather delicate matter and you know I'm not sure myself if it's the right course of action.
This is pretty rich considering you've been leading this conversation the entire time.
fartownik
SNB needs to read this thread. I believe everyone is a PR this game and rEdo's claim seems very legit in my eyes. I don't get your point honestly. I also want you to claim your target immediately. The Poisoned's death can not be stopped so you may as well share that with us. I'd say this claim was a bold move if you're scum. You basically tells us there will be two nightkills next night plus today's lynch, making us consider a potential no-lynch option for today or to be EXTREMELY careful with the lynch.

I still don't know whether Amianki is just busy with irl stuff so much that he plays this game half-assedly or potentially scum. At least the first seems to be the case so, @mod: asking for a replacement for Amianki. Having a V/LA of 10 days is too much on this forums. We may as well get Nyquill in here.

Also I will just stick to what I think is the best for today.

Vote: Jess
Birdy
It was Irre.
Drezi
Vote: Jess
Drezi

Amianki wrote:

This is pretty rich considering you've been leading this conversation the entire time.
I had an idea I thought might be good, but wasn't sure, and you said we shouldn't do it, but brought up points that didn't make sense to me, or were just vague generally without much explanation. This response fits right in with the rest..
fartownik
If SNB tells the truth, it's possible for us to lose this game even tonight, but it's unlikely. Irre's death, rEdo's hider miss, nightkill, lynch, it's 4 deaths from which 2 are 100% Town (rEdo and NK), if the remaining 2 hit Town as well it's 6p = 50/50 scum control = lose. rEdo you you should either do nothing or hide behind an obvtown for you and we should seriously think about a nolynch.
Frostings
Unvote :roll:
rEdo
Irreversible, of all people?...

*shrugs*

Vote: No Lynch
I need everyone else's insight before anything happens. Especially SNB and Frostings. For now, I opt for a no lynch.
rEdo
Irreversible, would you want to claim and share results?
Drezi
We should consider a no lynch yes, but it'd be kinda pointless to just let the day pass by without any pressure on anyone.

Also at this point I really don't see why a mass claim wouldn't be good, like seriously.
-[Jess]-
This game is getting worse

Vote: No Lynch

Will post something in later
Frostings

Navizel wrote:

Roles were assigned before alignments. Roles cannot be used to determine alignment.
So I'm just thinking, roles have NO effect on alignment, so there could've been a scum doctor for example? Or there could be something crazy OP like a scum dayvig?

I'm just trying to think how strong SNB's role would be if she were scum, and would need to be balanced out
1-shot unstoppable NK in the following night seems quite balanced for either alignment

(Is this even important?)
Drezi
even if you want a No Lynch you have no reason to vote it, it removes any pressure and also we don't want to end the day by hitting 5 votes of it somehow before we intend to.
Frostings

-[Jess]- wrote:

This game is getting worse

Vote: No Lynch

Will post something in later
thanks for your words of wisdom :roll:
Amianki
Jfc fine, cancel the vla. I'll just prod dodge if that happens instead.
Drezi
We really shouldn't be talking about a no lynch this early tbh, if we don't lynch scum today, rEdo can still decide THEN not to hide if need be.
Birdy

-[Jess]- wrote:

Will post something in later
Why do you always feel the need to put this after your posts?
-[Jess]-

Static Noise Bird wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

Will post something in later
Why do you always feel the need to put this after your posts?
Just avoid someone said I am lurking.
Birdy
Hey also I agree with the massclaim, if we get good information out we might be able to lynch a scum instead of complying to a no lynch later.

rEdo wrote:

Irreversible, of all people?
I really was struggling between you and him. If you really are a Town Hider, then it's only a great thing that I took this choice instead, don't you agree?
Birdy
Also Unvote.
fartownik
Frostings - some kind of targetive role, SNB - poisoner, rEdo - hider, Jess - used up Doublevoter

Unknown: Drezi, Irre, fartownik, Ace Timing, Amianki, Magic Bomb

6 unknown, 3.25 known.

I'm still opting to lynch Jess. I think she's scum.
fartownik

-[Jess]- wrote:

Just avoid someone said I am lurking.
You are lurking.
-[Jess]-

fartownik wrote:

-[Jess]- wrote:

Just avoid someone said I am lurking.
You are lurking.
Omg :Faceplam:


Just remember,I am pretty useless guy right now because I use up my power for quickhammer

Just go ahead if you think I am scum.I don't mind for this.
-[Jess]-
*Just go ahead lynch me if you think I am scum.I don't mind for this.
Drezi

-[Jess]- wrote:

Just remember,I am pretty useless guy right now because I use up my power for quickhammer
So what are you even trying to say with this?

Also other game is over now so we can talk about it, Jess was scum there and she kinda went "You have reason to lynch me" so duh, I'm ok with lynching her given her attitude.
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Navizel
Irreversible has been prodded.
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