Chromoxx wrote:

Hey there!

[General]

Seems fine

[Taiko]

maybe consider changing the diffname to either Oni/Inner Oni or something a little more interesting (maybe smth like Infected Taiko), just "Taiko" is ok but kinda boring xD yeah this was just a placeholder name, just used the game mode cos at the time i didn't know how to submit maps lol
00:14:657 (8) - delete, quads sound better here and emphasize the melody like more agreed, considering putting a d at 00:14:140 too but i'll leave it for now
00:21:484 - add dd, there are notes there in the music and it's kinda weird to leave them out there used to be streams all over this starting section and it basically was as difficult as the kiai time's original streams (which probably wasn't good lol), i guess i deleted the notes here to simplify. i'll put them back for now
02:02:036 (658) - maybe change to k yep
02:49:002 (969,988,1008,1029,1051,1074,1097,1118) - change to d to put emphasis on the large white ticks, it'S also ok as it is tho i think i like it how it is, but i see ur point
05:01:416 (1560) - starting here this stream get's kinda weird, maybe consider using patterns that aren't as weird, you are using a lot of pattern reversing (ie. starting with d or k and then adding normal patterns on top of that which start with a different color, which makes it sound kinda weird because the color changes happen on offbeats) anyway, just a suggestion yep i changed up the stream, matching the k's more to those faint little instrumental synth thingy beats (tbh i was just slapping notes down before )
06:02:553 (403,404) - ctrl + G yep, and changed up the first few notes of this pattern

Maybe think aboiut using the SV changes to distinguish between slower and faster parts, that's a good way of adding variety into a long map like this and here there are quite a few parts where you could utilise it. thanks for reminding me, at the time i did this (yonks ago) i had no clue about how sv worked, i was supposed to add it in recently but i probably forgot or got lazy lol

This map was a lot better than the last one i modded, not many things came directly to mind
gl with it!

Estaryo wrote:

:) Hello, I'm a huge Fan of Infected Mushroom so let's go

Here is my M4M-mod
In the following I will show you what I would change and why.

General

1. No Issues

Oni

1. 00:26:243 (65) – Change to K // I think it's biting with (66) so i tried to delete oder change to k. K sounds better yep i'll go with this
   
   
2. 00:31:105 (94) – Place a D // I don't like the two Notes Gap there i would place a d i went with a k since that matches the pitch of the synth thingy instrument to me
   
   
3. 00:35:243 (117,118) – Change (117) to K and Delete (118) or Ctrl + G // DDK doesn't suit here thanks for spotting this, ctrl+g'd
   
   
4. 00:44:243 (178) – Change to D // I think theres too much k in this section try to change one changed 00:44:450 so as to match with the next kdk d pattern right after
   
   
5. 01:22:416 (412,413) – Ctrl + G // if hearing from a few seconds ago i think this is better left it, i'm following the pitch of the beep things
   
   
6. 01:35:760 (495,499) – Ctrl + G // the 4xD will then support the song yep changed
   
   
7. 01:38:657 (510) – Delete // The song starts a break after Note (509) there's actually a few faint 1/4 beats leading up to the note at 01:39:071 and this note lands on the first of them, i'll leave it for now
   
   
8. 01:47:347 (552,576,600,624) – Delete // it would be a nice build up for the part thats now following hey i really like this, changed
   
   
9. 02:20:553 (797,798) – Make a triple // I don't think that 1/6 will be good here because the part doesnt sound like where you use it normally yeah i have no clue why that ended up there i noticed it myself just looking over this section for the previous point, and yes changed to a triple
   
   
10. 03:08:036 (1094,1095) – Ctrl + G and delete the Blue One // Pattern interrupts the support of the guitar in the following notes yep, changed to a dkd k, it goes with the previous sections better too
    
    
11. 03:08:450 (1097,1099) – Change Colour of one of the two notes // Supporting guitar there KDKDK KKKKK would match best i think fixed, this was supposed to be kkkkk like all the other guitar bits before it, must've accidentally changed
    
    
12. 03:12:381 (1121) – Place a K // dont start the break here the guitar needs one last note^^ going with this for now, i'm a biiiiiiiiiiiit iffy about this one; i understand your point but it just sounds, 'covered' by the previous note (imo this one more so than the previous guitar notes, probably not explaining it well here )
    
    
13. 03:37:416 (1185) – Delete // This note doesn't support the song yep changed
    
    
14. 03:41:140 (1198) – Change to K // i think it shouldn't sound like (1197) there changed 03:40:933 instead
    
    
15. 03:41:967 (1201) – Change to D // matching better to the song there yep changed
    
    
16. 03:51:898 (1236-1346) – ??? // i dont get what you mapped in this part, its not really matching the piano or the voice, you should look at this part again i'm pretty sure i'm following the piano here, but i missed like 2 high notes that should be k's, otherwise i think the section is fine i'll see if anyone mentions this bit in the future
    
    
17. 04:37:105 (1425) – Delete // doesn't sound right there yep changed
    
    
18. 06:06:174 (416) – Place a note // sounds empty and song has no break there i can only hear beats land on the white ticks next to there, and i don't feel having notes there would go with this section so i'll leave this for now
    
    
19. 06:12:588 (440) – Change to 06:12:795 // I Know you want to support the guitar there, but it doesn't sound right because you more mapped on the beat before i would keep that like the previous point, i don't really hear much on this particular tick to warrant having a note there
    
    
20. 06:13:002 (441) – Place a K // ^ together with that it should sound fine i'm going with a d here since i want to follow the guitar more, but yes there is a beat here so i'll go with it
    
    
21. 06:44:450 (613) – ??? // I testplayed it this time, it's good to play but i wouldn't connect it to the song itself. It's more playing its own song. I can't connect it to the Piano or Vocal there i changed a few d's and k's to try and follow the piano better, that was the intention mostly

:D So much ''it'' in the last sentence sry for that
This map in total is fine, only little changes and the fact that i don't get that one part.
It's a really difficult map i must say, but may thats because I'm really bad at playing 4 or 2 notes in a row
I hope this was helpfull in any way. For Questions feel free to ask and leave a comment

BOOOM

M4M : FOLiACETATE - Heterochromia Iridis

[General]
change volume 80 %, it's normal for taiko (100% is loud) ok

my opinion
00:13:416 - volume 40 %
00:53:140 - volume 70 %
03:12:381 - volume 40 %
03:25:416 - volume 60 %
03:38:657 - volume 70 %
04:44:864 - volume 80 %

you may keep kiai part 100 % until 06:44:036 -
06:44:036 - volume 60 % ill consider all this volume and sv stuff after i finish with the notes. thanks for the suggestion though, ill keep it in mind

[Oni]
00:19:726 - it's a single note player can hear the beat so clear and this fit with d more than k ok

00:26:243 - move to 00:26:347 - you mapped to the beat in this part ok
00:26:760 - move to 00:26:864 - yep, this fits better

booom

you may add kd behind 00:27:071 -

The notes are so faint, i dont think this is fitting


swap 96 , 98
- it's cool ! 95, 96 beat are higher pitch and 97, 97 are lower pitch so cover with kkdd
- beat from 93, 94 is the same with 95, 96 so let player tap the same key (kk kkdd)
just changed 96 to k, i want to keep 98 as a k

00:36:174 - ~ 00:38:036 - you better remap and make it like previous part because music is not much different from 00:13:416 - ~ 00:26:657 - and this part your map are completely different rhythm. made a few changes to the rhythm

my opinion

00:35:967 - move to 00:36:071 -
00:36:174 - move to 00:36:278 -

00:37:105 - dkkdk
from

to

00:37:829 - move back to 00:37:726 -

remapped that part

00:39:898 - you can spam d to that beat (you have cover it most in this part)
added some of these. i mostly like the rhythm as it is, though there were a few spots where i decided to add the d's

add d to

00:40:209 -

00:41:450 -
00:41:657 -

00:42:484 -

00:42:898 -
00:43:105 -

00:43:933 -

00:44:553 -
00:44:760 -

00:45:795 - if you agree to add this you need to remove 00:46:002 -

00:46:209 -

you may add d to pair with k in this part 00:46:519 -
00:46:726 - It's look more cool imo i want it to build up slightly in this section so i left this one out
00:47:347 - also ^
00:48:381 - the k alone in this part look weird for me
00:49:002 - d that i advise it's not really cover any beat or sound
00:50:036 - but when playing it does feel good too added these other 3 d's in

01:05:760 - removeeeeeeeee it can't really cover that twist sound, it's better with blank space yeah ive never been too sure of this note myself lol, removed

01:20:657 - add d. it's funny to play that repetitive sound with same pattern ok
01:22:209 - ^ pretty empty sounding beat
01:22:829 - ^ ok
01:25:622 - ^ it doesnt sound like theres one of those synth thingy beats here
01:25:933 - ^ ok
01:27:588 - ^ and you can add d to 01:27:484 - to cover drum too ok
01:28:209 - ^ ok
01:28:829 - ^ not much on this beat, its on the tick before but i dont want to put a note there
btw fuck break and easy pattern cuz this diff is not for new player or rookie player or etc., you don't really need to care about it
but im a rookie T_T
tbh this diff used to have like another 500 or so notes in the first half of the song but after some some feedback i got rid of most of it cos the first half is calmer than the kiai time bit

01:34:209 - add k to cover beat on 01:34:209 -
01:35:864 - add k it's the same beat with ^
01:37:519 - ^
01:40:829 - ^
01:44:140 - ^ i hear the beat that you're mentioning but its faint enough imo that i dont need to add a k to cover it

01:38:864 - dkdkd k

maybe if i lower the volume in this part or something, idk i just think its weird to have the notes there

01:46:519 - k correct with beat(?clap or snare ? idk the pitch on this note and dddk kddd feel better
01:48:174 - ^ i just want some variation but i have no clue how to get it T_T i'll leave it as it is for now
fuck varies the people ive asked so far have a bunch of differing opinions on these 1/6 lol

02:31:829 - remove aaaaaaaaaa there is no sound here facepalm, removed

02:38:553 - k pitchhhh ~ maybe its like the electronics or smth but ill leave it as d i think it fits fine just for this note
02:38:864 - ^ ^
02:43:519 - ^ ok
02:43:829 - ^ ^

03:36:898 - remove cuz no guitar sound here ~

03:39:691 - remove cuz no guitar sound and this literally no sound here
03:41:347 - ^
03:44:657 - ^
03:46:312 - ^
03:47:967 - ^ changed some. was partially going with the vocals here too

03:51:898 - omg piano rhythm, nice

03:52:105 - but still REMOVEEEEEEEEE! for make the pattern smooth as much as how calm the music had in this part. fuc grammar ok
03:53:967 - remove ^ yeah some of these notes are a lil bit unnecessary
03:56:243 - ^ another reason is spam too many note in calm part like this feel weird imo i mean this one is faint but its still audible enough for me to keep it in
03:57:484 - ^ ok
03:58:312 - ^ keeping to cover for the vocal bit
04:00:381 - ^ ok
04:00:588 - ^ hard to hear but this makes a triad with the next 2 notes
04:02:036 - ^ ik it's piano in this note but for smooth feeling when play i need to suggest remove this note too. eh ill leave it for now but...
04:02:243 - ^ ...having removed this note the previous one feels weird now
04:03:691 - ^ ok
04:04:933 - ^ and this note too, you can still hear piano here but quite soft. ..... so REMOVEEEEE! i like it as it is tho T_T
04:06:381 - ^ ok
04:07:002 - ^ ^
04:08:036 - ^ ^
04:10:519 - ^ this note too reason like above ^ changed 04:10:933 to d instead cos unlike last time, there is a more audible piano note here
04:11:553 - ^ covering for that one vocal bit again (li-fe)
04:13:622 - ^ ok

04:31:416 - add d for make consistency with other previous pattern ok

06:22:726 - didn't you map to cover guitar ? move to 06:22:519 - please what was i doing orz

06:40:726 - kkd smooth stream changed to kkk

HAH ! piano all reason will be use the same as those ^ piano
06:45:898 - remove ! done
06:46:105 - ^ ^
06:48:381 - ^ ^, even though i can sorta hear the note, it fits with before
07:00:795 - ^ ^

07:10:312 - mono d feel better imo

i like it as it is

bananannian wrote:

Heyo, nice map you got here~ thx ^_^

Looking at the general stuff because I don't want to look at whether d or k fits better for all 2.3k notes across 7 minutes lol it used to have like 2.8k lmao overmapped everywhere

Stuff

So the map's a bit messy. In the sense that, on the scale of consistency versus variation you've decided to lean heavily towards the variation side. Of course you could attribute that to being your mapping style, HOWEVER my experience with taiko BNs (in particular Nardo) is that they emphasize heavily on consistency. So just note that you might run into some problems with them about this. i mean i could just go back to the original copy paste lol
oh lol you addressed that below

Personally I'd rather lean towards the consistency side, not only because it's easier that way, but also the song itself is basically a bunch of repeats lmao tfw basically everything ive chosen to map is like this, FeelsBadMan
Of course don't copy and paste everything dude i literally did that when i first mapped this LMAO, just, for me I'd not vary up the patterns as much as you have here across the entire map.


EXAMPLES INCLUDE:


1. The entire beginning section is a brilliant showcase of gradual density increase, but to do that you've decided to freely switch up what you're mapping to in the song, which people may find to be a consistency issue.
00:17:967 (21) - this note's not there in 00:14:657
00:15:071 (8,9,10) vs 00:18:381 (22,23,24) - fixed to k_dk
00:15:898 (11,12,13) vs 00:22:519 (44,45,46) 00:15:898 (11) is actually pretty empty sounding, i just like the rhythm of x_xx. due to a basically negligible difference in pitch between it and 00:16:105 (12), i mapped them both as d. with 00:22:519 (44,45,46), 44 is higher in pitch than 45 so i made it a k. changed 46 to a k for consistency
00:28:312 (77,78) and 00:29:967 (87,88) - you've decided to go x__x instead of x_xx like previously fixed the first one, but the second one, i think the __x_ beat there is basically inaudible compared to the previous ones, so im leaving it out
00:36:588 to 00:39:898 - a lack of k's compared to 00:30:588 i have the k's on the beats i feel stand out more than the surrounding beats
Not saying any of these are wrong, they are just inconsistent. Which may or may not be a bad thing. Consult other modders for advice :p yeah regarding the whole first section there's a lot of inconsistency and this is because there used to be streams evvvvverywhere; i only deleted notes from the streams leaving whats there now rather than remapping im lazy lol. for now i've fixed the x_xx to be x_dk, if more issues pop up ill address them.


2. More inconsistency issues later on:
01:21:174 (414,415) vs 01:21:484 (416,417,418,419,420) vs 01:22:105 (421) - trying to match both the bleeps and the electronic drums? You're braver than I am lol, I'd either just go with constant kd or maybe this:

constant kd is boring
i mostly liked your suggestion, but the transition from the k's on the bleeps to the drums at the bit from 417 in ur pic just sounds off in my mind. probably just my weird way of perceiving things lol
In particular 01:22:312 really deserves a note imo. (But really I'd rather just go simple kd kd kd kd etc.) added the note there
(same goes for the rest of this section up to 01:32:036)


3. This part: 01:32:864 to 01:38:657 VS This part: 01:39:484 to 01:45:071
One of the places where I feel like consistency would benefit you more than making varying up the patterns. tbh for this point it probably wasn't even variation i was probably up at 3 am slapping random notes down and going 'damn bruh this sounds good'
like, 01:34:519 (501,502,503,504,505,506,507,508) works well at 01:41:140 too; and 01:43:519 should have a d like 01:36:898 imo did some copypa i mean remapping because it really does fit better. filled in some of the less audible notes to sorta build up a little to the next part


4. Time for 1/6s yay pp
01:59:967 (654,655,656,657) and 02:03:278 (678,679,680,681) and 02:06:588 (703,704,705,706) and 02:09:898 (727,728,729,730) - dddk would be TOO consistent and make this part very boring, but kddk is meh. Try ddkk, see if you like it. i prefer kddk cos of the slightly stronger first beat (guitar or whatever idk lol).
honestly i dont know what to think of this section in general. its mapped mostly to what i think is fitting
Also 02:00:795 (660) and 02:04:105 (684) and 02:07:416 (709) and 02:10:726 (733) - you could delete these, break them up. One reason would be for more variation, another would be to set up a density increase when later at 02:12:588 you have more complex patterns. done, there was barely sound on those notes anyway
02:12:795 (748,749,750,751) - kddk like the others im hacing this particular section going dddk kddk, then dddk dddk (each phrase has like 2 of the dundundundun vocal bits) so this matches up
02:30:381 (875,876) - d d, like 02:27:071 (853,854) fixed
02:37:416 (923) - k to match 02:35:760 (911) fixed, and changed a few d's on the guitar beat to k so it isnt just a d spam (tho it pretty much is already lol)


5. 02:45:691 to 03:12:588
This part's good Quite consistent, but a lot of interesting rhythm in between the 1/2 k's to make it not boring to play. Only thing is that 03:02:864 might be too long of a stream in comparison with the rest of this section, so perhaps delete 03:03:174 (1067), idk agreed but deleted the note 2 ticks later to make 2 5-note patterns


6. Time for vocals
03:35:347 (1185,1186,1187,1188,1189,1190,1191,1192,1193) - mono k to be consistent with 03:28:519 works better imo, instead of having 03:34:933 (1183,1184,1185) dkd. Perhaps have 03:37:002 (1190,1191,1192,1193) back to d for the k at 03:38:243 going more with the guitar here
03:45:278 (1218,1219) - hi why is this not dk ._. oops
03:51:898 to 04:15:898 - I have no idea how you decide when to split up the 1/2s here, I'm just going to ignore it for now lol following piano, left the gaps where i didnt hear a note


7. Bleeps
04:19:622 (1354) - change to k like 04:21:278 (1358) and 04:22:933 (1362), you might want to change 04:21:691 (1359) to k for some variation too if you like it changed
04:33:691 (1404) and 04:38:657 (1428) and 04:41:967 (1444) - k to match snares, or conversely change the similar places where you've mapped as kd to dd for consistency. 04:48:588 (1480,1481) and 04:50:243 (1489,1490) as well, although those two can be excused since maybe you want more k's for build up? changed the first set to dd's, left them as is from 04:44:864


8. Build-up
04:54:795 to 04:58:105 - add some 1/4s here for a better build-up done. i thought the kkddkkdd were boring anyway
05:03:898 (1581,1582,1583,1584,1585,1586) - kkdkkd perhaps wanted the k's to go on the high pitch bleeps
Also: 04:58:519 (1529,1530,1531,1532) vs 05:00:174 (1545,1546,1547,1548) vs 05:01:829 (1561,1562,1563,1564) vs 05:03:484 (1577,1578,1579,1580) - maybe consistency issue again, does it play well? I can't play it, so I can't say whether to change it up or not lol ^ above reason as to why i put the k's where they are.
i think its pretty playable


9. Kiai
Another section where more consistency benefits it. I think you could structure this better, keep the rhythm and how you divide your plets consistent across similar sections, and only change k/d usage.
e.g. 05:29:553 (147,148,149,150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159) vs 05:54:381 (335,336,337,338,339,340,341,342,343,344,345,346,347,348) - man I really like that syncopated rhythm, why you gotta change it the second time around variation or riot
e.g. 05:51:071 (307,308,309,310,311,312,313,314) vs 05:37:829 (205,206,207,208,209,210,211,212,213)
e.g. 05:45:691 (272,273,274,275,276) vs 05:58:933 (373,374,375)
etc. i think the variation were because of my retarded way of mapping where i pick something that sounds higher in pitch than the surrounding stuff and stick a k there, the second bit of kiai has that weird synth thingy more prominent than at first


Again, do remember that inconsistency is not necessarily bad and I really like how interesting you've made the map play out despite the repetitiveness of the song. Just note that it might be a problem if you really decide to get this ranked in the future.

Side notes

02:31:622 (883,884,885,886,887,888) - I swear this is actually like this:

idk if you like to have any 1/8s in the map though
it sounds better but i don't want to use 1/8, it's why i mapped the bit before the spinner right before kiai as 1/6, just sticking with easy 1/6

05:36:174 - kiai fountains are my jam!
Suggestion: end the kiai here at 05:36:174, delete 05:36:588 (202,203)
A longer rest looks better than a shorter one I think ill go with this

07:10:312 (715,716,717,718) - I don't think this is necessary at the end lmao just trying to break combos at the very end nothing to see here
ok tbh there really is no point to it but i want to leave it for now

I haven't even gone into the actual notes usage yet haha

Please call me back after you've responded and I'll see if I can nitpick it any further
yes pls im garbage at taiko diffs

Shiroi Hiroshi wrote:

hi

SPOILER

m4m from your queque

Infected Mushroom The Legend of the Black Shawarma

d:don / red note k:kat/blue note

General Thing : maybe add tag ? like : marathon psychedelic trance ok

00:25:416 - maybe add d and here d too ? 00:25:519 - i prefer to keep the k_dk_ rhythm just for that first part

00:27:174 - d 00:27:278 - k ? no sound on 00:27:174, added d to 00:27:278 for d_d_d_d_d rhythm

00:46:933 - ~ 00:51:278 - make them big don and kat ? i'll try just big kats, i think big dons as well is a bit excessive


01:12:588 - d yep

01:12:898 - d dont want too may longer patterns in this section

01:32:450 (485) - change to k ? ok
01:36:174 (506) - change k ? i want to keep a d d k rhythm on the 1/2 beat at the start of each bar
01:37:829 (515) - change k ^ same as above

01:45:070 (555) - change to k and 01:45:174 - add d here ? change k, didnt add d as i feel the k is sufficient

01:47:347 - add d 01:47:553 (566) - there are no voice here you can delete it there is a faint ticking sound, but i'll go with this delete, not adding d since i wanted to differentiate slightly from the next part as the song is rather repetitive

01:47:760 (567) - finish leaving it for now

01:50:657 - add d 01:50:864 (589) - delete im confuse because repeated note all time @@ im sorry ^ same as above

02:58:312 (1032) - change to d ? want k's to go with guitar

05:49:829 - ~05:50:657 - add d to that 3 note ? i prefer to keep that bit in the music consistently as single beats

05:53:657 (343) - delete this note , its really weird.... fixed the streams there

06:03:071 - ~ 06:04:312 (427) - add finish ? ill keep it as it is

06:09:691 - add k following synth/guitar instrument (?? not sure what it is lol), i dont feel its necessary to put a note in this beat

06:22:933 - add k ^ same as above
06:25:002 - put d/k whatever here ^ same as above

06:26:243 - add k ^ same as above

06:28:312 - add d ^ same as above
nice song and nice map ty
forgive my bad english if i make you confuse its fine
everything seem fine i think and add sv to make it fun im not very good with sv's and their playability so ill wait and see
though ill probably sv increase the 1/6 stream before kiai for fun c:

06:30:795 - add greenline SV 1,2 or 1,5 if i do this, ill probably want to add sv to the main kiai time too. also im unsure about whether this short section here requires kiai

_Rise wrote:

M4M from your mod queue~
First of all, I'm not good at English. Please understand it before you see my MOD. its cool

General

• 
  Looks fine

Oni

1. SliderMultiplier:1.59999996185303 - Change to 1.4~1.6?? that's really weird. fixed (1.6)
2. 00:16:105 (12,13) - Ctrl + G i want to use the rhythm of x_dk, normally k_dk but d_dk here because the sound is very quiet
3. 00:20:864 (33,34,35) - Ctrl + G and 00:20:967 change to k yep
4. 00:22:829 - Change to d for the same reason as above, i prefer the rhythm of x_dk
5. 00:26:450 - Move to 00:26:553 ok
6. 00:29:553 (85,86,87) - Move to 1/4 left yep
7. 00:34:519 - Move to 00:34:416yep, and added a d on 00:34:519 so its a little less awkward to play
8. 01:04:622 - Add d yep
9. 01:32:450 - Change to k changed in shiroi's mod
10. 02:17:140 ~ 02:17:553 - Add some note. This space is a little unnatural. the sound is very faint ticking, im not sure if it requires notes but if this is brought up again ill add the notes
11. 02:23:760 ~ 02:24:174 - ^ ^ same as above
12. 02:32:140 and 02:32:243 - Add d i'll add them back, had it before but i thought it sounded a bit weird
13. 03:20:657 - Move to 03:20:760 wow im stupid, fixed
14. 03:57:553 and 03:57:622 - Add d? intention was to follow piano's rhythm
15. 04:10:795 and 04:10:864 - ^ ^ same as above
16. 05:13:209 - Change to k sorta intended to follow the vocal/synth here (probably a bit weird), i dont think this is fitting
17. 05:16:209 - ^ yep
18. 05:30:588 - ^ yep
19. 05:59:140 - ^ yep
20. 06:44:347 - Add d following piano for rhythm like before, the broken f major chord starts on that white tick
21. 06:57:795 - Add k^ same as above
22. 07:10:312 (736,737,738,739) - Ctrl + G oooooh ok

Great map! ty
That's all! Good luck for this map's ranked~

Invective wrote:

Shiroi Hiroshi wrote:

1. SliderMultiplier:1.59999996185303 - Change to 1.4~1.6?? that's really weird. fixed (1.6)

Zetera wrote:

Hi there, you modded my map, so I'm modding yours. I am actually surprised that your map has made it so far, since I mapped Punk Nightmares and it turned out to be dreadfully unpopular. Might be me, but might also be the speed of the song. I digress. No clue tbh
¯\(°_o)/¯

[General]

I suggest that you turn the SV down to 1.40x. 1.60x generally makes a weird graphical impression, it simply looks like the circles had too much space inbewteen them and patterns therefore look sketchy. Ok

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|00:20:864 - This is where the following part starts becoming one with the highest density throughout the map, but is this well-structured? For me, there is a certain hierarchical order to be noticed especially for a song like this. The intro should really function like an introduction to the map, and therefore it should be arranged so that the intro defines the easier portion of the map, then gradually increasing the difficulty until the kiai. Now, this is hard to do with a song that features multiple possibilities of interpretation, especially with a part like this that features a multitude of noises to be potencially mapped, but I'd suggest you try to focus on what you have mapped before the marked timeline to ensure it doesn't become too dense yet. I would maintain this until 00:39:898 - , it's an unique section and deserves as much density as you chose to map it with. So if everything before that was lower in density, I would be completely consent. Lowered the density, but still retained some of the patterns from the 00:26:657 mark since there's more sounds so I think it warrants the use of a few more notes than the first section.
|00:43:209 (183,184,185,186,187,188,189,190,191,192,193,194) - I would rather maintain the previous 'ooooo ooooo ooo'-structure, at least for every second 4/4 beat. Just for consistency's sake. Also, I would maintain this longer than 00:46:519 - , maybe even until 00:53:140 - , since it is indeed audible. That would make a better, more fluent transition. Added d's to keep the rhythmic structure as suggested. With regards to extending it, at 00:46:519 with the addition of the sound that builds up to the mini-climax at 00:53:140 it's hard to pick out the "ooooo..." rhythm when playing at full speed, so I'll opt for the more prominent sound.
|01:12:795 - Delete that one for consistency's sake? Nice catch, deleted
|01:58:622 (647) - Normally, I wouldn't say anything, but right here I cannot here any sound to map a d and putting a d here also causes a fairly difficult pattern, more difficult than the others and easily breakable compared to those. Deleting it does the job. Done, I've also removed some of d's in this 1/6 section on that particular tick for consistency
|02:45:071 (959) - I'd shorten that by a tick because it might lead to point losses due to missed ticks or a miss at the D. Shortened, this occurs because you set SV to 1.4
|03:14:864 (1130) - This one is wrongly snapped and its tail should actually be snapped on the previous white tick. Also applies to 03:18:174 (1134) -. This occurs as a result of changing to SV 1.4, it's correctly snapped with SV 1.6, but fixed anyway.
|05:05:760 - The stream fades out in a weird manner. I made an alternative (spinner was delayed but kept the same length) that I don't harshly recommend, but I guess it's worth thinking about the issue. Was working with the beep/pulse thing that slowly gets faster, I changed the spinner tick to match your alternative and made the last note a k, left the rest as a monocolor d 1/6

Have you considered increasing the SV for the second part of the 1st kiai? I've tried messing around with SV and it looks terrible when I do it, I'll probably have to look at some maps with SV changes in the editor to figure out what I actually have to do

Good luck and sorry for the delay! Thanks and no worries at all, I was busy with uni anyway

Stefan wrote:

hm.

00:42:174 (156,157,158,159,160) - I honestly don't like the transistion from kddkd to ddkdk. I'd stick to kddkd, it sounds hitsound-wise better. A little unsure about the change, not that I don't understand your point but it's just that I had the first one as kddkd due to that synth sound with a 3/4 gap, and then changed to following that other synth sound. It actually does sound pretty good though so I'll change it.
00:56:036 (229,230,249,250) - The previous doubles (00:54:381 (219,220,239,240) - ) are pretty cool but on these ones I would rather see triplets, it makes it more interesting. I like the rhythm of the doubles, also there isn't much of a sound on the third tick of the triplet, faint ticks but I'm going off the synth sound
There are so many sounds in this song ._.
01:02:657 (272,273,274,275) - Just saying that you don't need to change this one, I like the double Doubles here. woot
01:19:002 (384,385,386,387) - You may want to move 01:19:209 (386) - to 01:19:416 - and changing as d since the "Double Sound" on 01:19:002 (384,385) - sounds more emphasizing without a note on 01:19:209 - . If you don't like to have two doubles just remove (386). Ahh I see what you mean, changed
01:39:174 (508) - That plays really oddly. I see the intention but yet I don't really find it really contributing much into the map itself. I would remove it. Fair enough. I always thought that note was a little out of place anyway. Didn't really know what to do with the twisty sound.
02:21:071 (791,792,793,794,795,796,797,798) - dunno how kddk/dkkd players will react since I heard they really dislike this kind of 1/6 usage. I don't mind them as ddkk player tho. From the people I've gotten to testplay I've gotten mixed opinions so I'm just gonna leave it lol c:
02:32:450 - 02:44:036 - You may want to add some sneaky SV increases to have more impact. Adding them now, I finally worked out how to do them properly (I think)
03:51:898 - 04:15:278 - dunno but I find you mapped this too dense, if you compare the music. Yea I have mixed opinions about this part. I'm trying to follow the piano but I wasn't really sure what to leave or keep. I had a look at your suggestions and applied some (which I'll mark with an X) and left the others probably because I thought the piano sound was prominent enough.

If you ask me I'd remove the following notes:
03:52:519 (1219) - X
03:55:209 (1231) - Left because of the piano sound, removed 03:55:416 instead
03:56:243 (1236) - X
03:57:071 (1240) - Left because of the piano sound
03:58:519 (1246) - Left because of the piano sound
03:58:519 (1246,1248) - Removed 03:58:726
04:00:174 (1254) - (although you can move it to 04:00:381 - instead) Left because of the piano sound
04:02:657 (1265) - Left because of the piano sound
04:04:105 (1271) - Left because of the piano sound
04:04:933 (1275) - X, even though there is a sound.

<and repeat that for the second half>
04:51:484 - 05:11:347 - Same case like 02:32:450 - 02:44:036, if you want I can add them for you if you need help for ideas, etc. Might message sometime you to have a look at my SVs when I stop procrastinating and finish uni homework ._.

06:04:312 - 06:30:795 - I am honestly surprised about the low amount of notes here since the music is still quite strong here, imo I'd switch the dense you had in the last kiai with this section. Just a personal preference. I wasd thinking of giving the player a bit of a break after the first kiai but idk. I was suggested to make this section streamier and I tried mapping it that way but didn't really like what it turned out to be.
06:44:036 - end - Same cases like 03:51:898 - 04:15:278 -, I really wouldn't add too many notes here, because it's simply not necessary when the music is calmer (and the song almost done). Applied previous set of changes

Overall, it's a okayish map. It just needs more impact on parts which makes the gameplay better and on parts where you need less notes to emphasize the important sounds in the song (speaking of the calmer parts of the song). Thanks for the feedback

Aloda wrote:

Hey man.

Oni

This is a little nitpicky, but I think the difficulty should be Inner Oni - the 1/6 sections and longer streams are much harder than what I would expect to see in a regular Oni. ---->https://osu.ppy.sh/s/183237<---- hue
but yeah i was considering something cooler than just oni or taiko, didn't come up with anything good tho. i guess i could change it to inner oni

The finishers at 02:52:312 (976) and 02:58:933 (1017) and 03:05:553 (1061) and 03:12:174 (1104) seem a little weird to me, given that the audio for these beats is identical (at least to my ears) to 02:49:002 (957) and 02:55:622 (996) and 03:02:243 (1039) and 03:08:864 (1083) . I think it would be better to either replace them with normal dons, if you want to keep some diversity in the section, or normal kats if you're okay with these sections all being the same. 03:12:174 (1104) should definitely be a regular k, not a finisher, as it's the start of a softer section. cymbal crash (?? i am so bad with instruments) on those beats warrant the use of a finisher, the notes without the cymbal crash don't have finishers. i understand the point regarding the final finisher but im leaving it there for consistency (for now), having every second occurrence of that note as a finisher

03:39:278 (1176,1177) , 03:40:933 (1181,1182) , 03:45:898 (1196,1197) - k d -> d k I think these match the song a little better as d k rather than k d the intention was for the k's to land on the vocal sounds and d's on the drum beats

05:10:726 - The drastic change in SV between here and 05:11:140 is just a little too much. Consider changing SV from 1.5x to 1.4x changed, it seemed ok to me but only cos i'm the convert scrub

06:45:898 (646) and 06:59:139 (701) - These notes feel really awkward to me here. Consider moving them forward 1/2 a beat to join the front of the next set. fixed all the occurrences of this, the intention was to follow piano but it is rather faint and those were pretty awkward

I didn't end up finding much that I thought could be improved. If you want me to have another look over it to catch anything I may have missed this time, let me know. Either way, this is a pretty good map, hoping to see it get ranked soon Thanks

Narrow Minds wrote:

I'm quite late, but it's better than nothing I guess. no worries at all. i'll have your mod done shortly

- 00:37:829 - I would put here a K. It would fit more into music. the second beep is a bit muted, idk if k or d would be used there actually i quite like the sound of ddkk there, added
- 01:07:519 (302) - K -> D leaving it as k due to the sound of those 4 middle notes being more emphatic than the other 4 notes in the pattern
- 01:39:071 - Same as 00:37:829 - to keep the player in the rhythm. added actually idk, upon going over it again i don't feel this particular note has any real impact in the song
- 01:57:278 - Add a D here and 01:57:484 (620) - replace with K. simply removed 01:57:484 (620), that was an error in consistency. i understand what you meant by adding the d but i left that for the next section seeing as theres more happening in the music anyway and i wanted a bit more of a buildup through the different 1/6 sections
- 02:32:243 (865) - D -> K the sound is so similar to the previous guitar sound and somewhat muted anyway, i think its fine as it is
- 03:39:278 (1176,1177) - Ctrl+G k's here are used on those vocal mouth sounds as per aloda's mod, if it wasnt for that i'd agree
- 03:42:588 (1186,1187) - ^ ^
- 04:44:864 (1490) - K -> D i like to use to k to start these beep sections before the chorus
- 04:44:864 (1490) - Add a D here. copied the wrong timestamp probably, given your next point i'll assume it was 06:09:691
- 06:22:933 - ^ added. original intention was guitar only but i've always not really liked the 3/2 gaps

Otherwise looks neat enough. Good luck. ty

Ayyri wrote:

Hello there~

Time for another M4M for you.

Keep in mind, these are my suggestions, don't change something I mentioned unless it seems good to you!

Inner Oni

01:19:105 (386) - Change to k. I think it sounds better, and is more comfortable to play before 01:19:312 (387,388) - nice catch
01:25:416 (428) - Change to k. Same sound as 01:25:002 (424) - Ctrl+g'd 01:23:243 (413,414) instead since the intention was to have the k's land on the percussion sounds in this second bit where the beeps are more muted, rather than the k's falling on the beeps like the part just before
01:31:002 (464) - ^ denied for above reason
02:05:760 (679) - Change to k. Having d sounds weird to me. denied for consistency with previous section, also that the vocal sound is lowering in pitch anyway
03:20:864 - Add a d. Follows the same rhythm as 03:20:347 (1114,1115) - i understand your idea, but im a little unsure about mapping that sound for now, i'll see if its brought up again. also technically the sound occurs at 03:20:967 not 03:20:864
03:22:519 - ^ as per above
03:22:933 - and 03:23:140 - Sound better with d's, but sound alright without if you don't want to continue the rhythm there. yea, dont want to map it here
04:51:174 (1531) - Move to 04:51:071 - Sounds off where it currently is. true, the vocals are a bit murky around there. thanks for bringing it up, ill wait for another opinion on that part, its often the timing of the notes in these little transition sections i have trouble with
06:04:312 (427) - Change to D. The note here feels like it should be emphasized because it's the start of a different section. nice catch thanks. no clue why it wasnt a finisher ._.
06:26:450 (515) - Change to k. The sound in the background are going up, so they shouldn't all be the same sound. the melody (idk what to call it lol) at 06:25:209 (510,511,512,513) is the same as this so keeping it consistent
06:29:140 (526,527,528) - Change to K K D instead of k k d. These notes should be more powerful since they lead into the kiai. done, added the corresponding finishers from like 06:15:898 as well for consistency (although slightly varied pattern)

ZTH wrote:

I like the map description. me too hehe

General

1. Everything seems goooooood.

Inner Oni

1. 00:46:002 (187) - Move to 00:46:209, which has an audible sound. fixed
2. 02:35:760 (888) - change to d for consistency (as seen 02:29:140 (844)) 02:29:140 was supposed to be k, changed that instead
3. 02:47:347 (947) - change to d for consistency (as seen 02:53:967 (986)). k is intrusive. fixed
4. 02:59:967 (1023,1068,1090) - Why are all these notes d? You seemed to put k when it comes to every verse (which sounds better). good catch, fixed
5. 04:59:657 (1584) - change to d. kkk sounds a bit strong. changed
6. 05:01:105 (1598,1600) - ctrl+g. Seems to follow the music better. changed 1599 to d, lower pitched beep anyway, which was what i was following
7. 05:02:967 (1616) - change to d. Same reason. changed
8. Ehhhhhh. I really can't figure out your usage on 1/1 spacings during the kiai dont worry neither can i lol. They seem to be a bit random and weakens the flow. yeah some points were definitely inconsistent Personal kiai suggestions below (meaning they are optional, but experiment them)
9. 05:18:071 (64) - Move to 05:18:278. Here, the pattern starts on a red tick, which is consistent as previous patterns. Plus, the spacing emphasizes the vocal (05:17:967). done
10. 05:18:898 (71) - Move to 05:19:105 and change it to k. Same reason. moved but no change, well the next note at 05:19:209 seems like a better fit for a k anyway
11. 05:21:174 (90) - Deleting this note seems to flow better. moved it back two ticks to join the d with the previous pattern, changed to k so the pattern is kkddkkd
12. 05:26:347 (126) - Move to 05:25:933. did that and changed the k in that first pattern to match the vocal better
13. 05:31:312 (170) - Move to 05:30:898. ok
14. 05:35:347 (205) - Move to 05:34:829. Better to have the don/kat alternating pattern without any pauses. moved blue tick note rather than this one on the white tick since that's awkward
15. Some similar suggestions apply for the second kiai. went through and made changes, thank you for the suggestions
16. You used triplets in the start of the third kiai. But at some point, it suddenly becomes a stream. The abrupt change on the note density gives a bad transition to the music as well as to the players. I highly recommend to gradually increase the note density as the kiai goes along. leaving first long stream because of the shift by 1/4 tick in the music which i wanna emphasise

Kiai parts are questionable. do you mean how i chose to map where or where i chose to add kiai? i know the bit of kiai near the end is a bit iffy, i can move it Other than that, a satisfactory map.

GL~

Backfire wrote:

[General]

You should make note that your volumes are all messed up. Any time it breaks down to piano and vocals such as here 03:51:898 - , you might want to lower the volume of the notes with a green line to about 60% or so. I also felt like your map could use more SV changes, such a slow-downs, rather than speed ups. rip green lines too confusing ill work on them this weekend or smth when im done with uni stuff
It's an alright map, but still needs a lot more work. ya

[Oni]

01:05:553 - Well, honestly this is a spinner sound if I have ever heard one. Spinner till about 01:06:174 - sounds good
02:39:484 - I think Lepi did this in the 2 minute original damnnn that map is like ancient history now still fun tho but what about like ddk d k ddk d k ddk kind of pattern until the long one? given where i've decided to use finishers, made it d k ddk... and then changed the ddkdddkdd into D kdddkdd
03:11:864 - kkk? I think that would be cool since it's ending the pattern and going into the slow part. okiedokie
03:25:416 - I think you messed up this whole section by making it too simplistic. Im going to simply just post k or d because explaining myself would be tedious. Just basically I want to improve this slow section. yeah i understand what you mean, the stuff is a bit monotonous seeing as i was going off guitar pitch welp
03:27:071 - k
03:28:726 (852,857) - d
03:31:829 (862,863) - d k
03:33:691 (868) - k
changes done im gonna assume 03:30:381 wasnt changed to d due to the vocals so imma leave it as it is
03:35:553 (1165,1166,1167,1168,1169,1170,1171,1172,1173) - d k d k d d k d k (just what the notes need to be in order, not using spacing here.) i get ya allg
03:55:002 (1228) - This should be kat because with just don's it sounds hollow, however, 03:55:622 (1230,1231) - these two sound too loud and should be don, because the piano goes up on the third note. changed. the k i agree with, the kkk bit was because originally this was one long ass unbroken 1/2 bit and kkk fit better there but yeah as 3 notes on its own ddk is better. also changed the others throughout the song
05:04:726 - eww, no way. Just start the spinner, there is no logical way to map this unless you wanna make a pp map like (kkkd)dkdkd(kkkd) then some other nonsense. I dunno man. Just put a spinner lol ahhsdfhjgfsgfhj ill leave it for now yolo rip can't map 290 bpm streams
05:22:829 - Delete then make these 05:22:933 (106,107,108,109) - finishers or something. This one is just a do it if you like it kind of suggestion. i've considered it already but i like it how it is, i mean i could add finishers right now but i dislike having finishers at the end of 1/4 it just feels weird but yeah ill keep it in mind thx
05:36:588 - 05:37:002 - where are the notes I think you lost them, go find them and make sure they are kats. im so indecisive like one suggestion from one guy says one thing another says another and i keep changing gdi ok ill stick to how i originally did it and add these in
05:49:419 - Make sure to change this part if you do like 5:22 as well. as per above
06:09:691 - kddkk? I think how you have it doesn't sound right with the background, honestly. i think it matches well enough with the pitch of(insert whatever that instrument is here) ok upon relistening i changed the middle 3 notes to ddk as that matches with the sounds from the 4-note pattern right before so now its dddkk, i see what you mean now but i dont think ill change the first note to k thx for pointing it out
06:35:760 - I really don't like this stream, I don't like how the kkddkkddkk starts on a blue tick rather than red tick. It's awkward. i know it is but i wanted to emphasise the how the music shifts by a 1/4 tick. to make it less ew i removed 06:36:278 so its now kkddk (nice bit) then dkkddkkddkkkd (ew). changed the end of the pattern to kkkd too rather than kkdd as that is more consistent with the following section

Nyan wrote:

[Inner Oni]
00:30:795 - add a don done
00:58:726 (247) - don added, and changed the pattern to ddkdkdd (was ddkkkdd) for consistency
02:47:760 (660) - kat good catch fixed
03:04:312 (764) - kat ^
03:25:002 - add a kat fixed, this does sound better with the held sound
04:21:277 (1047,1048,1049) - k k k i modified it to be kkd to keep consistency with the patterns i had later
04:51:174 (1241) - move to 04:51:071 I think it fits the vocal sound better as it is
05:04:933 (1) - ends at 05:07:622 fixed

Consified wrote:

Hi~

wtf this song has 2 map ranked i hope this it is the last time for the song ranked i started this 2 years ago but too lazy to finish earlier lol

00:14:657 - add d,keep consistency with 00:17:553 - ok
01:05:553 (1) - i dont think you need to put a spinner here,a ranked map usually dont put spinner in the middle of a lot of notes. i wanted something to go with the twisty sound, i shortened the spinner a little but if i get other opinions on this i guess i'll remove
01:07:933 - put a d here for variety? ok
01:11:243 - ^ ye
01:08:864 - add d,follow the drum was following the other instrumental bit at first but i guess this makes more sense
01:16:933 (75,76,77,78,79,80,81,82,83,84,85) - dddkdkdkddk will sound better change dddkdkddddk
01:19:416 (95) - delete,give a rest here and follow the atmosphere of suddenly stop i think the 1/2 break is adequate
01:19:416 (95) - change to d,the sound same as previous 1/6,if you accept this change all dddk to dddd :p changed the 2 dddd to dddk,
match the sounds on 01:46:519 (258) - and 01:47:140 (263) -
02:34:105 - change to d,the sound effect is low prefer to keep k to emphasise the guitar (??)/instrumental sounds
02:37:416 - ^ ^
02:45:071 (1) - delete the spinner and change to k k k d.The spinner doesnt suit that part i think it sounds/plays fine, but i will wait for other opinions
03:12:381 (169) - 我不知道怎麼用英文表達orz dw 我明白 這個音符我覺得是多餘的 那個drum part 在 03:12:174 (168) - 完結 所以不必在那裡加音符 i see what you mean about it being linked to the previous drum sound, but for this part i want consistency with 03:08:864 (146,147) - and the other similar parts in the previous section
03:25:416 - change to D,the sound is low ye
03:27:071 - ^ done
03:28:312 (205,206,207,208) - ddkk change to dkkk as the pitch goes up on second note
03:32:036 - d change to kkdd
03:33:691 - d ok
05:04:829 - i think you should continue the stream to make this diff more challenging might continue the 1/4 but i dont want to have awkward 1/6 or 1/8 usage here. see if i can get bn opinion on map before i change this
06:30:795 - delete kiai,this is not the climax of the song since the song almost done good point



good luck for ranked

1. 00:30:484 - You may add a note here due to the trill sound on the background.
2. 00:36:278 - A don would work well here, it'll also help keep the structure solid.
3. 00:46:933 - Even though those finishers like that are on higher sounds, I don't think it's neccessary. Simple kat will emphasize them enough.
4. 01:12:795 (49) - You can move this one to 01:12:898 - here, it will create a better flow.
5. 01:15:278 (68,69,70) - I don't approve the sudden density change. Adding a kat on 01:15:381 - this spot will emphasize the background sound and help you to keep the structure good.
6. 01:26:657 (142,143,144,145,146) - How about kkdkd here? kddkd and dkddk variations will help you to emphasize the "duut duut duut" sound (idk what that is) on 01:26:657 (142,145) - those two and, in relation, 01:28:002 (153) - 01:28:622 (158) - those kinds of notes can be turned into kats as well. I won't point them all out, I think you can figure them out by yourself.
7. 01:36:174 - From here to 01:37:829 - here you need one more triplet between those notes, due to keep the structure.
8. 01:47:347 - 01:50:657 - 01:53:967 - I think spots like these are important to put a note. The kick sound is very prominent and leaving these as blank spots feel weird and empty. I think you should add dons on those spots and related ones. If you do, the structure will also match with 02:00:588 - these ones as well.
9. 03:12:381 - Deleting this note will help you to emphasize the finisher sound that you put on 03:12:174 (168) - that spot. There is also not a specific sound on that in order to put a note there.
10. 03:35:967 (230,232,235,237) - You also didn't follow the vocals on the beginning on this section, so I recommend turning these to dons.
11. 04:01:726 (320) - If this note emphasizes anything, you can keep that, but I can't hear something different on it, hence I recommend to delete this note.
12. 04:14:967 (375) - ^
13. 04:31:622 - I think you can start 5-plets from this spot and leaving 04:18:381 - 04:31:622 - these two spots with maximum 3-plets. What I mean is, 04:23:243 (414) - 04:24:898 (425) - notes like these feel excessive to me, and since the drum enters on 04:31:622 - this spot I think you can reduce the 5-plets to 3-plets.
14. 05:04:933 (1) - You can extend the spinner to 05:09:484 - here since 05:08:450 (2,3,4) - those three notes really don't emphasize anything.
15. 05:35:347 (198,200) - Swap these maybe? Changing 05:35:553 (200) - this to kat will help emphasizing the higher-pitch keyboard sound on the background, since you're following the keyboards there.
16. 06:25:312 - Add a note here to keep it consistent with 06:22:002 - 06:18:691 - these spots.
17. 06:53:864 (669) - Same triplets issue that mentioned before.
18. 07:07:105 (724) - ^
19. 07:10:312 (735,736,737,738) - I didn't like this pattern at the very calm end. Changing it to a spinner or slider would be better.

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Hello.

[General]

Use HP:5 due to the amount of the notes. Ok

[Inner Oni]

1. 00:30:484 - You may add a note here due to the trill sound on the background. Ok
2. 00:36:278 - A don would work well here, it'll also help keep the structure solid. Ok
3. 00:46:933 - Even though those finishers like that are on higher sounds, I don't think it's neccessary. Simple kat will emphasize them enough. Yeah I agree, it'll also make the finisher at the start of the next section stand out more
4. 01:12:795 (49) - You can move this one to 01:12:898 - here, it will create a better flow. In this section and the preceding one my intent was to keep the start of each bar somewhat consistent. Starting from the previous section each bar just had single notes at the start, only the last 2 bars had a d to lead in to the first note of the next bar (as a transition of sorts) where as in this section I changed every second bar to use the d to lead in. 1st section: k k k k k k dk dk, 2nd section: k dk k dk k dk dk dk
5. 01:15:278 (68,69,70) - I don't approve the sudden density change. Adding a kat on 01:15:381 - this spot will emphasize the background sound and help you to keep the structure good. Ok
6. 01:26:657 (142,143,144,145,146) - How about kkdkd here? kddkd and dkddk variations will help you to emphasize the "duut duut duut" sound (idk what that is) on 01:26:657 (142,145) - those two and, in relation, 01:28:002 (153) - 01:28:622 (158) - those kinds of notes can be turned into kats as well. I won't point them all out, I think you can figure them out by yourself. Changed the first pattern from kkkdk to kkddk as the beep occurs on the 5th note of the 5-plet, rather than on the 4th as implied by the use of kkdkd (there is 3/4 between each beep except at the start where they happen on two consecutive 1/4 ticks, hence the usage of kkddk over dkddk). With this in mind I changed 01:28:002 (154) - and 01:28:622 (159) - (in the process I changed the pattern from dkdkdd to dkddkd as per the 3/4 spacing between beeps), as well as 01:29:243 (163) -. I left the next few bars since the sounds are more muted and thus I have a bit more usage of d's (like from 01:22:933 - in the first half of this bookmarked section which repeats in the latter half here)
7. 01:36:174 - From here to 01:37:829 - here you need one more triplet between those notes, due to keep the structure. Yep, added a note at 01:36:484 to make a ddk
8. 01:47:347 - 01:50:657 - 01:53:967 - I think spots like these are important to put a note. The kick sound is very prominent and leaving these as blank spots feel weird and empty. I think you should add dons on those spots and related ones. If you do, the structure will also match with 02:00:588 - these ones as well. Ok
9. 03:12:381 - Deleting this note will help you to emphasize the finisher sound that you put on 03:12:174 (168) - that spot. There is also not a specific sound on that in order to put a note there. My intention was to follow the pairs of sounds occurring on 1/2 beats starting from 02:49:002 - etc. for consistency as per my reply in Consified's mod. I considered it a pair of sounds due to a noticeable change in pitch, but I understand it could also just be a single sound starting on the first beat which happens to extend over the span of a 1/2 beat. Since it's not the only time this point has been brought up I'll delete the note.
10. 03:35:967 (230,232,235,237) - You also didn't follow the vocals on the beginning on this section, so I recommend turning these to dons. Ok
11. 04:01:726 (320) - If this note emphasizes anything, you can keep that, but I can't hear something different on it, hence I recommend to delete this note.
12. 04:14:967 (375) - ^ Deleted both, I must've thought it fit the piano sound but that was well over a year ago lol
13. 04:31:622 - I think you can start 5-plets from this spot and leaving 04:18:381 - 04:31:622 - these two spots with maximum 3-plets. What I mean is, 04:23:243 (414) - 04:24:898 (425) - notes like these feel excessive to me, and since the drum enters on 04:31:622 - this spot I think you can reduce the 5-plets to 3-plets. Ok I understand
14. 05:04:933 (1) - You can extend the spinner to 05:09:484 - here since 05:08:450 (2,3,4) - those three notes really don't emphasize anything. Ok, I also toned down the SV of the following notes from 2.5x to 2x as there is no gradual SV buildup anymore.
15. 05:35:347 (198,200) - Swap these maybe? Changing 05:35:553 (200) - this to kat will help emphasizing the higher-pitch keyboard sound on the background, since you're following the keyboards there. Yep, this was a mistake on my part. I was going for some consistency in the usage of kat rhythms between sections but I got the beats wrong here.
16. 06:25:312 - Add a note here to keep it consistent with 06:22:002 - 06:18:691 - these spots. Ok
17. 06:53:864 (669) - Same triplets issue that mentioned before.
18. 07:07:105 (724) - ^ Fixed both
19. 07:10:312 (735,736,737,738) - I didn't like this pattern at the very calm end. Changing it to a spinner or slider would be better.Used a spinner.

Just noting extra changes I did which didn't fall under the suggestions above, mostly for consistency:
Deleted 00:35:347 (115) - and moved 00:39:174 (137) - to 00:39:278 - to match the k_dk usage better
Changed 01:06:381 (1) - and 01:19:622 (99) - to kat finishers to match the kat hitsound for the sounds at the start of bars
Changed 01:52:312 (300) - 01:52:726 (302) - 02:05:967 (395) - and 02:19:209 (491) - to finishers to match the cymbal crash (??) sounds
Deleted 01:54:174 - after adding dons on the kick sounds since this note wasn't supposed to be there in this section
Added 04:26:450 (431) - for consistency with other triplets

You may call me back after you apply this mod.

Surono wrote:

hai

00:13:416 - ~ 00:39:795 - some patterns in this part are a bit awkward mostly
that factors like overemphasize e.g 00:16:209 - 00:17:036 - 00:22:829 - should be don to avoid overemphasis and monotone pattern usage for these
I get that there are varying pitches but I intend to keep it simple by maintaining the use of k_dk at the start of each bar, outside of the last bar of the 2 8-bar sections where I feel it is reasonable to use k_dk again due to the intensity in the music as it transitions to the next section. In between these, I have switched some of the more muted sounds to don.

00:26:553 - 00:26:657 - swap this to emphasize the drum and avoid the monotone rhythm from the pattern, I saw many dk used in this part so its Denied as per above reasoning. The dk fits due to the usage of x_xx rhythms in which the emphasised notes are 3/4 apart such as those at the start of bars and the fainter background ones e.g. those from 00:27:588 - which I have placed emphasis on (by using kats) in the section from 00:26:657 -

00:33:174 - intense sound some here, add don Done.

00:34:416 - same reason on 2nd point Redid this bit as per my first explanation

00:37:105 - intense beat, kat I disagree with this, I'm a little conflicted with this section since following every single sound would result in a pattern longer than I think is necessary in this first section. I don't intend on making an overly difficult pattern

00:37:416 - 00:38:760 - recommended to add notes, this part seems awkward if spots that Ive pointed out are empty Denied as per above,
but I've tried to keep the notes on the 1/2 ticks to follow a logical rhythm to compensate for not following every sound.

00:40:105 - 00:40:726 - these has sounds but it looks overdone if compared with the sound level from the song, im fine with the part that start from 00:41:553 - here. Deleted these

00:41:553 - ~ 00:46:002 - overemphasized colors in this part
suggestion for colors of patterns
00:41:553 - ddddk ddddk I've left the first 5-plet's use of kddkd due to the motif that was present in the opening section, changed the second to ddddk. I am aware it occurs at 00:44:864 - but I think it's faint enough to be a non-issue there.
00:43:209 - kdddk dkddk 00:44:864 - and same from here I don't see the reason to use dkddk, I don't feel that the second note has enough emphasis to warrant the use of a k, so I'm using kdddk ddddk, 00:45:795 - and why this empty. should be added for consistency structures. Added

01:10:726 - could be don since its a weak sound if compaed with 01:07:416 - this I'll leave this one.

01:25:209 - theres alteration sound, kat this I was intending to only place kats on the percussion sounds in the second doubles section to contrast it from the first where I used kats on the beeps. However, since I do use a kat at 01:31:829 (182) - I'll change this.

01:34:519 - 01:36:174 - 01:37:829 - and 01:41:140 - 01:42:795 - ( 01:44:450 - except this, leave it as don will fine with the beat drum ) too avoid monotones, fix these with the point above I think these are fine.

02:02:450 - 02:09:071 - change to kat, these points has high intense on guitar and on alteration vocals Changed

02:14:450 - 02:17:760 - 02:21:071 - should be kddk, 2nd 4plet 1/6 as variation are enough imo. seems random if 1st 4plet 1/6 were varied Changed

02:18:312 - kat this instead to have a kkkd in this 1/6 part Changed

02:24:381 - 02:24:795 - the rests are just vocal and they sounded 1/4, so change these 4plet 1/6 to 3plet 1/4 Changed

03:28:519 - overemphasized and blocked up the alteration sounds, change it to don I feel that the guitar pitch has shifted upwards enough to warrant the use of a kat here.

04:18:381 - ~ 04:31:622 - in this part 04:19:002 - you can delete it and other similar notes, since its a weak sound level. so you can start full 2plet from 04:31:622 - here I am more partial towards deleting the second note of the double rather than the first since the stronger sounds are on the 1/2 ticks from 04:18:795 - etc. but for now I will leave the double rhythm.

04:45:795 - move to 04:45:691 - here and for similar notes, bcus thats important beat Changed

04:50:450 - swap with 04:50:243 - , i dont see the reason if 04:50:450 - this kat and it breaks the consistency with previous similar notes It's intended to match the previous usage where the kats are used on the clo-ser syllables, except they don't occur here so I'll change this.

optional here 04:58:105 - change the sv to 1.1 yeah because https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/9298881 at the next barlines I think I'll leave this

05:13:622 - don it since theres no something intense sound and its to make a difference with 05:12:381 - this stream Changed

05:26:036 - don, the reason same as above I used the kats to follow the vocal more here.

05:39:381 - 05:39:484 - swap, Changed the first 2 patterns to match start of first kiai 05:41:036 - kat, to avoid monotones Changed

05:52:519 - 05:52:622 - swap, I dont think something colors such kdkdk could be works at overall 2nd kiai bcus somehow it seems monotones Changed

05:54:278 - 05:54:381 - same as above Changed 05:54:278 (333) - to k to maintain a somewhat consistent kat rhythm between the first and second half of the second kiai (i.e. from 05:54:381 - k___k___kk__k x2)

06:04:312 - ~ 06:30:795 - undermapped? I'd say its a bit, could be improved more if you applied stuctures pattern e.g from 06:04:726 - here d k ddk d d then 06:06:174 - delete this and idk what suggestion more for this part, but well try to make a long 1/2 pattern. 06:17:553 - the 2nd part already fine but 06:18:381 - 06:19:209 - example these spots has beat and the melody you didnt mapped here, seems awkward to let them empty. I was following the guitar/instrumental sound in this section, to make it simpler after the kiai.

06:30:588 - delete, seems weird at 06:30:795 - the alteration part if kept that notes Changed

06:30:795 - ~ 06:44:036 - somehow it looks really random sometimes, I assume if you follow the background stream sounds but well the structures 06:31:622 - ~ 06:33:898 - example and colors pattern at some longstreams are overemphasized or awkward at some places imo e.g 06:36:381 - ~ 06:37:622 - , 06:40:726 - ~ 06:42:588 - I understand the patterns are awkward, the original intention was to highlight that the background music has shifted by a 1/4 beat but I guess that makes for awkward streams, I've simplified the section to follow more of a xxx_x_x_/xxxxx_x_ rhythm so the patterns are more manageable

I think its not ready yet, my points are like normal suggestion but its important imo especially at some last points. I pointed these all due the overall quality such strucutres, overemphasized, and monotones. I would to see this map get modded mores and need a bit reworking Ok

you can call fruko back to recheck it if this map has been improved, find modders and do selfmod if possible, good luck

Aloda wrote:

Hey. Sorry I took a couple of days longer than I thought I would - I got really caught up on my last mod. Here we go. nws

[Inner Oni]
Intro seems mostly fine, there are a few minor things I think could be improved like mapping to a few sounds you've left unmapped (00:14:140 - 00:24:381 - 00:31:209 - and maybe a few others. I think there's definitely room to add a few notes in 00:36:588 - 00:39:898 - to match with the high intensity of the song) and removing a few notes for sounds that aren't so strong (00:21:588 - 00:26:553 - 00:34:519 - etc) but yeah they're all really minor changes and I honestly think it's fine as is. Maybe you could start with slightly lowered SV then bump it back up to 1x at 00:53:140 to let the intensity increase of the music have some more emphasis, but idk that's really just personal preference. I don't want to have an overly long stream at the start of the song but I redid that higher intensity section to have a xxxx_xx rhythm to preserve the usage of k_dk at the start of each bar. Left the SV.

The spinner at 02:45:071 - feels pretty bad to me, especially at high SV. Maybe try a drumroll here instead? Or maybe even some kats like you've used for the similar sounds at 02:48:381 etc. Changed to regular 1x SV slider since it's the same sorta sound as 03:14:864 (170) -

The gap between 03:17:140 and 03:18:174 feels kind of weird, considering that for each other similar structure in this section you've placed a note in there. I suggest adding a note at 03:17:450. Added

Tiny change but how about changing 03:28:519 (204) - to a don? I think it makes sense to transition from dons to kats the same way you have at 03:31:622 - plus I think it plays better as a don in general. Seeing as this has been brought up multiple times I may as well

Okay now I really don't understand the SV drop at 04:58:105 - Up to this point you've done a really sick job of building density and increasing SV with the music as it increases in intensity, but then suddenly there's this bizarre SV drop right when the music reaches its peak intensity. I can understand not wanting to increase it too much to preserve readability, but I really think that the drop here is really very not good. This would be great if you just had it build to like 1.25x SV and stay at that for the stream. I guess that would be an easier solution rather than having the SV go up and down lol

Kind of personal preference, but you could remove 05:04:726 (692) - and start the spinner there instead. As is, you have a weird 1/2 gap right when the 1/8 sounds start, and playing nothing for that 1/2 beat feels pretty weird. Starting the spinner there removes this gaps and makes this a little less awkward to play imo. I think it's fine as it is.

Having no notes to contrast with before the 2x SV notes at 05:09:691 kind of shifts the emphasis from 'these notes are fast' to 'the following notes are slow'. This isn't really something you want for the kiai, which is meant to be the most emphasised section of the map. I would suggest using increased SV (1.1-1.2x) for the Kiai section - you did this for the second half, so why not the first? Reduced the SV. I had notes before these to buildup but they got removed and I didn't really like them being fast notes on their own anyway. Also upped the SV of the first kiai to 1.1x

The gaps at 05:11:553 - and 05:38:036 - feel a little unnecessary. Since every other similar structure you've used in these sections has a 7-plet here, these two feel really out of place. I don't think there's any need to leave gaps here. I was told to remove the notes from the second kiai due to overlap from the SV so I may as well keep that in the first kiai for consistency

I'm gonna agree with Surono that 06:04:312 - 06:30:795 feels very very undermapped. Music wise, this section is pretty much identical to the kiai section with the guitar added in place of the vocals, and honestly I think this section should be kiai also. Going from a very dense section of the map, with no dramatic drop in the intensity of the music, into something like this is super, super jarring. I strongly recommend buffing this section a lot. I added notes to match with the beats on the white ticks while maintaining a consistent structure, I would prefer to follow the simpler guitar in this section.

Okay I think that's all I've got. gl my dude

1. 00:41:553 (156,157,158,159,160) - Judging by the sound you're following I don't think kddkd is good. Making it kdddk will help you to emphasize the background sound correctly, instead of following the keyboard there.
2. 00:57:174 (242) - I think changing this to kat will emphasize the sound better. 01:02:140 (274) - This one as well, to create some variation between the ddkdkdd.
3. 01:10:726 (33) - This can be changed to don, because of the sound on it.
4. 01:12:795 (49) - I think you can move this 1/4 further, dkdd dk flows better on this spot.
5. 01:26:657 (143) - This can be changed to don in order to emphasize the higher sound with kat on 01:26:760 (144) - this, making the first one kat kinda bloks it.
6. 02:54:795 (55) - This can be changed to kat, the background sound exactly fits to do so. As well as 03:01:416 (97) - this, 03:03:071 (106) - this, 03:08:036 (141) - this and 03:11:347 (162) - this.
7. 04:31:312 (460,461) - I think these can be swapped, in order not to have kdk twice.

frukoyurdakul wrote:

Recheck.

[Inner Oni]

1. 00:41:553 (156,157,158,159,160) - Judging by the sound you're following I don't think kddkd is good. Making it kdddk will help you to emphasize the background sound correctly, instead of following the keyboard there. I was a bit on the fence about this one anyway so I'll change it.
2. 00:57:174 (242) - I think changing this to kat will emphasize the sound better. 01:02:140 (274) - This one as well, to create some variation between the ddkdkdd. Ok
3. 01:10:726 (33) - This can be changed to don, because of the sound on it. I think kkkk -> dkdk instead of kkdk follows the low-high-low-high better
4. 01:12:795 (49) - I think you can move this 1/4 further, dkdd dk flows better on this spot. Ok
5. 01:26:657 (143) - This can be changed to don in order to emphasize the higher sound with kat on 01:26:760 (144) - this, making the first one kat kinda bloks it. I thought I heard a beep there but it's probably some echo or really muted so yeah
6. 02:54:795 (55) - This can be changed to kat, the background sound exactly fits to do so. As well as 03:01:416 (97) - this, 03:03:071 (106) - this, 03:08:036 (141) - this and 03:11:347 (162) - this. I see what you mean, changed
7. 04:31:312 (460,461) - I think these can be swapped, in order not to have kdk twice. Ok

That's all from my side, after you apply this, ask Surono to rebubble, since he is the one who veto'd this map.