...shit, I worded that wrong.

I was trying to get at "if he's not trying to help the town, then that sounds like scummy behavior." Being quiet in games like this is never a good idea. If he's a townie and bored, then he shouldn't have signed up in the first place.

orz

Hey Ace.

You aren't playing. ^_^

Wow I can't understand AT ALL what's going on, I will have to pore over the last three pages or so with extreme concentration today until I actually understand what people are saying. Damn English not being my first language.

So until then, no voting

How come no one has addressed the fact that the NK'd psychic-claiming Two has cleared strager and Chris? It seems odd to me that there are people still discussing voting for Chris when a dead, quite-likely psychic says he's human.

Now I do realize that Two wouldn't be able to scan twice so it's likely that one of them was cleared by other means (of, admittedly, unknown validity), but there still is a decent chance he was cleared by Psychic investigation. It would be kind of nice if Two could shed some light on the whole situation, but I don't know where his mind is at (I never do).

What are everyone else's thoughts on this?

Hello, my head is dead from 400 miles of driving. Let me read through the thread.

..Okay now I'm confused.

Dammit. I'll vote for DxS for Lady Suburu's reasons as I reread the thread for the nth time.

Also, what does it mean for you to say "LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN." What makes you so sure? :
Because s/he is "least experienced, poor time zone location and lack of maturity."?

Two mentioned that he scanned strager. He used his bromance with Chris to determine that he was human.

[18:37] <Two> 2. chris used our friendship this game to convince me that he wasn't a wolf, he wouldn't throw that away over a game
[18:38] <@The_King_In_Yellow> BFF POWER

err...VOTE:DiamondCrash
seems a bit suspicious to me...

Right. Reread the thread like three-four times, along with the logs. Posting to offer my view at the situation

Starting off, I don't think Two would have any reason at all to lie about him being a psychic and strager and chris's human status. Provided that it is very, very unlikely for the wolves to sacrifice a wolf Two on the first night, Two is most definitely a human and a psychic, which pretty much clears strager. As for Chris, I have no idea what methods Two used to claim Chris's humanity (see Ivalsetto's claim that Two scanned strager), but I brush it aside for now as there are more important matters at hand.

Which brings me to...DxS.

LadySuburu has already posted what I wanted to say, but seriously, DxS is three times as more suspicious as NoHItter was in last WWG. For those who don't understand, that's quite a high level of suspiciousness. Instantly going all-out to lynch someone for no solid reason on day 1 might be eyebrow-raising but understandable. Trying the same thing again without additional evidence is definitely suspicious. What's even more suspicious is that he changes his vote to Blackthorne so easily. His pathetic excuse for a reason (I think it had something to do with Blackthorne not following the majority) only tells me that he is eager to jump on any bandwagon that flies atm.

i.e. the classic behavior of a wolf.

Read Chris's log with Blackthorne, and I gotta admit, Blackthorne is acting quite differently from the last WWG, where he was a civ (were you? I'm not 100% sure) However, nothing too suspicious yet.

Didn't even bother to read the log accusing wojjan. Apologies to Ival who provided the log, but I'm just too lazy to read a log that long.

So,

Vote : DxS until anything new comes up. I'd love to see DxS actually make a defense for himself, since he hasn't done that in this game yet.

So I went and took a timetrip in the fora, and looked up the player/wolf ratio for all of Ace's games:
WWG4: 19 players, 7 wolves. 7/19*100 = 36,84%
WWG3: 22 players, 8 wolves. 8/22*100 = 36,36%
WWG2: 26 players, 8 wolves. 8/26*100 = 30,77%
WWG1: 14 players, 5 wolves. 5/14*100 = 35,71%

Average = 34,92% ⋍ 35%
WWG5: 25 players, X wolves. X/25*100 ⋍35% => X=8,73
Assuming Ace keeps a steady ratio (which he does more or less), there are 8 or 9 wolves in this game. Since in a game with 26 players (WWG3) he previously used 8 wolves, I'm inclined to believe 8 again.

So here is my suspicion list of all living players, assuming we have not yet killed a wolf. The confirmed humans are based on Two's information he sent me as of Night 1. I filtered out intuition and the facts, and was left with this.


Obviously, these aren't my final eight, and this list isn't set in stone, as we're only Day 2.
The top eight in this list would, according to my logic, at least, be the wolves (with the exempt from Chris and DJBlackthorne, I'll explain that when I get there.). Following is some elaboration on these eight, as to why exactly they scored so high:

DeathxShinigami: He has only been voting for those who already have votes, and seems to rush the game towards night phase. Quite strange, if you ask me, for a civvie to do.

Todesengal: Although hanging in IRC often, I haven't seen any actual contributing from her side, although she usually does, based on previous games.

I_Tatsuo_I: In addition to the argument I gave for Tode, (bar the experience from previous games), he seems to actually be able to contribute, but only did so when asked.

nardi11011: Has he even been around to drop off his opinion? I'm used to way more participation on his side, whih even led to him making an alternate account. Why did he suddenly fall mute?

Rolled: He has been making some small slip-ups I wouldn't expect from an experienced player. That callout on Tode's comment was odd, because I honestly don't think he wouldn't know the word 'succint'. And, quoth DiamondCrash:

<DiamondCrash> Also he quoted the wrong person in his post

Chris: He has been picking on Blackthorne in that one post with the logs, and with very poor arguments to boot.

0_o: Now, this is a different story. Everyone seems to suspect DeathxShinigami because of his constant will to off matthew. However, Day 1 and Day 2 he has only voted me, with arguments one can easily pull a reversal on. The first day, indeed, I took the votes too serious. But it did lead to some more or less decent discussion instead of a non-stop RVS. I'm not saying I suspect him on that, he did well to call me out at that point. But on Day 2, he still votes for me, with that IRC log as evidence, so to speak. However, that IRC logs tells of me not believing Two was the psychic - I do now, by the way, since that talk. - and my strategy for playing wolf being different from him regarding killing a wolf at night.

DJBlackthorne: I know listing him an Chris both as wolves takes away the credibility of my theory, but since this is only a suspicion list, and not a list of "these guys are wolves!", please bear with me. Blackthorne has been in IRC with Chris who was barraging him with accusations that didn't really make sense. However, Blackthorne immedately became defensive on the matter, and tried to counter his logic with whatever he could, hoping to drive suspicion away from him. He is just trying too hard to counter all arguments to still remain believable.

stuffy language, WIFOM WIFOM, look at me I'm diplomatic. Shoot me.

I've just not really been that motivated to actually form an opinion after the last game failed (and I think being a wolf is more fun). As far as suspicion goes, most people haven't really acted suspicious enough for me to consider a vote or I've found their suspicious actions to be explained better by something else than being a wolf. One who does stick out for me is DxS; he seems a bit like a newbie (has he played before?) wolf with his short posts with little reasoning, trying to look like he's thought stuff out but in reality just voting on whoever has been voted on already on is likely to be voted on more. His lack of a defense seems weird as well, though now that I think about it that could go either way. Anyway, I guess I'll vote for him since I don't really have anyone else I'm just as suspicious of.

Vote: DxS

To clarify why I'm voting:

DxS wrote:

Vote: DJ Blackthorne

DxS wrote:

I'm not voting for Blackthorne because he's a wolf actually but only because of the way he acts, ....

And the kicker (which I was hoping for, as it's a classic, strong scum tell):

DxS wrote:

Going to unvote one more time sorry.

Confirm vote: DxS

Oh, look, a diplomat!

Vote: Wojjan

strager is really hoping strager can get a chance to read the thread and IRC logs this weekend.

thepianist wrote:

Hello, my head is dead from 400 miles of driving. Let me read through the thread.

..Okay now I'm confused.

Dammit. I'll vote for DxS for Lady Suburu's reasons as I reread the thread for the nth time.

Also, what does it mean for you to say "LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN." What makes you so sure? :
Because s/he is "least experienced, poor time zone location and lack of maturity."?

What the hell...
Since when were you in this game?

adam2046 wrote:

What the hell...
Since when were you in this game?

W-Wuhh. That was mean >:c

Anyways, what is a good application to access IRC from an iPod?

Wojjan you are forgetting Rolled did not finish high school.

It's shame everyone's using me as bait

DeathxShinigami wrote:

It's shame everyone's using me as bait

It's a shame you aren't defending yourself.

At least say "I'm not a wolf" or something.

Todesengal wrote:

Wojjan you are forgetting Rolled did not finish high school.

Really?

DeathxShinigami wrote:

It's shame everyone's using me as bait

Bait? The only thing we're trying to catch is a vampire, and as far as I'm concerned, that's you.

thepianist wrote:

Anyways, what is a good application to access IRC from an iPod?

I use Colloquy, costs $2.

@Wojjan: I realize my voting for you seems odd when there are several more popular votes right now, but I think the reason that I find you the most suspicious is because I've found you suspicious for the longest. The idea of "Wojjan is a vampire" has had the most time to settle in my head compared to anyone else. So I admit there is a bias here, but that's just where my head is at.

I'll probably be switching my vote to one of the more likely candidates for a lynch once I read through everything again.

Hmm... even with matthew being an inexperienced player, I'd say that the vampires would be telling him how to post without looking suspicious. I suppose for now I'll lay off my suspicions (for now), but insist that he posts more (and with more detail than "they look suspicious").

I'll change my vote in a bit once I find a better person to vote for (aka re-reading walls of text yayy)

Status is updated.

Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (5 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Wojjan (1 Vote: 0_o)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
0_o (1 Vote: Zerostarry)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)

Also, I nearly typed a disclaimer for my previous post twice. I SEE I SHOULDA SUBMITTED IT. People, people. I confirmed NOTHING in that post. I thought I made it pretty damn clear that it was the LOGIC I was pointing out flaws in, ASSUMING Derekku was Human.

However, now I WILL confirm that I won't be doing anything other than updating the status. I'm not talking anymore, because every time I open my mouth to say anything other than "the status is updated herpa derpa derp" or make a storyline post, someone thinks I've confirmed someone else's role. No more input from your Host. I'm done with this crap. Status updates only from here on out.

Reading and re-reading through the thread...

DJ KRZY wrote:

LadySuburu has already posted what I wanted to say, but seriously, DxS is three times as more suspicious as NoHItter was in last WWG. For those who don't understand, that's quite a high level of suspiciousness. Instantly going all-out to lynch someone for no solid reason on day 1 might be eyebrow-raising but understandable. Trying the same thing again without additional evidence is definitely suspicious. What's even more suspicious is that he changes his vote to Blackthorne so easily. His pathetic excuse for a reason (I think it had something to do with Blackthorne not following the majority) only tells me that he is eager to jump on any bandwagon that flies atm.

No solid reasons and pressing to lynch someone without enough evidence...

DeathxShinigami wrote:

I'm not voting for Blackthorne because he's a wolf actually but only because of the way he acts

Check how you're acting right now, vampire.

Vote DxS.

On a little side note; Forgive me for my inactivity on WWG5. Steam gets the best of me sometimes, and I just get a little bit too preoccupied with my personal matters.

Vote: DxS

Let's move this along shall we?

..well that makes my decision easier.

There's no way an aux would give up like that unless he's a total douche, so seeing as the worst-case scenario is that we lynch a civilian who doesn't want to play anymore:

vote DxS

Status updated again.

1 1/2 hours to the deadline; I'll be keeping a closer eye on things.

Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (9 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)

0_o wrote:

..well that makes my decision easier.

There's no way an aux would give up like that unless he's a total douche, so seeing as the worst-case scenario is that we lynch a civilian who doesn't want to play anymore:

vote DxS

Sorry I am being a douche to you guys. Have fun trying to figure out which roles people have~

*sigh* Why does it come down to this...

Vote: DxS

Another update. Less than 10 minutes to go. If there aren't a few more people who vote, I have to hand out some PVs.

Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (11 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o, Derekku Chan, Ivalset)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Rolled (1 Vote: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
matthewtck (1 Votes: Rolled)

LadySuburu wrote:

As I was not there at the time, I cannot know when Blackthorne started typing his comment. However, from the way this is worded and the timing on the log, the way I see it is that Blackthorne started typing it after Chris's first line. "I have a wolf on the inside who gave me all the wolf names."

If he had started typing it at the time of the second comment, it would be suspicious. Again, since I was not there, I can't weigh the statement.

I started typing when i read the first post, hit enter, then looked at the screen. As for the content of those four lines, i was pretty ticked when my first WWG ended on the second day for such an unnecessarily stupid reason.
*punches modem* (Work faster) Let me make a blanket statement real quick. I'll fight accusations, because i feel that's what has to be done. And it's what i do for fun in this game along side watching how the vote tree develops. Now i won't bother claiming that I'm human because i feel it has the same significance of putting a rock on a tank. What i say doesn't ultimately matter as much in this game after my idiot parade rolls out.

Vote Chris

Okay people, pencils down.

Nice save there Blackthorne; your vote saved you from a PV.

Necessaries will be up when they're done being typed.

Edit-in: Here's the vote log if you want it.

Day 2 Vote Log wrote:

Current Lynch Vote Standings

Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (11 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o, Derekku Chan, Ivalset)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (2 Votes: Oyashiro Beatrice, DJblackthorne)
Rolled (1 Vote: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
matthewtck (1 Votes: Rolled)

Vote Log
* Chris voted against Rolled.
* Wojjan voted against adam2046.
* strager voted against Chris.
* Zerostarry voted against 0_o.
* DeathxShinigami voted against matthewtck.
* Derekku Chan voted against I_Tatsuo_I.
* I_Tatsuo_I voted against DJblackthorne.
- Chris changed his vote to DJblackthorne.
* adam2046 voted against Rolled.
* Rolled voted against matthewtck.
* 0_o voted against Wojjan.
- DeathxShinigami changed his vote to DJblackthorne.
- strager changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
* Oyashiro Beatrice voted against Chris.
- Derekku Chan changed his vote to matthewtck.
- DeathxShinigami retracted his vote.
* LadySuburu voted against DeathxShinigami.
* thepianist voted against DeathxShinigami.
* DiamondCrash voted against DJblackthorne.
* matthewtck voted against DiamondCrash.
* DJ KRZY voted against DeathxShinigami.
* nardi11011 voted against DeathxShinigami.
* dkun voted against DeathxShinigami.
- DeathxShinigami changed his vote to himself.
- Zerostarry changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
- 0_o changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
- Derekku Chan changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
* Ivalset voted against DeathxShinigami.
* DJblackthorne voted against Chris.

x Todesengal failed to vote.
x MarioBros777 failed to vote.
x pieguy1372 failed to vote.

Those who failed to vote will have a Phantom Vote placed on their heads on Day 3.

Dusk

It was pretty clear who the vote was against tonight.

DeathxShinigami was taken to the gallows, allowed final words, then hanged.

Barring final words, DeathxShinigami is now dead and is out of the game.

Night 2

During This Phase: I am expecting Night PMs in my PMbox.

Deadline: 8:00 PM EST on Friday, July 9th. This allows 2 days for the PMs to arrive.

The preparations are now complete.

well. things are getting more complicated. sorry for the late post, but my ''d'' key is not functional (the contact still works, but the membrane is shot), so i tried to repair it by taking the membrane from my start menu key using directions i found online. this did not solve my problem, and in addition, this attempt also ended up killing the apparently rather small circuit my start menu key evidently shared with my shift keys. i was, and still am, solving my d problem by copypasta'ing, but i won't be solving my shift key problem as easily. i think it's time to go buy a usb keyboard. -insert ugh smiley here since shift keys don't work to make a colon-

clearly, i can and will still be making my posts. it will just take me a bit longer.

anyway-

Dawn

well, there's still 23 of you. Ivalset was killed by the vampires, and Two was resurrected by the Priest, whose name i cannot disclose because it was a private res.

Day 3

you know what happens this phase.

deadline for this phase will be 8 pm est on tuesday, july 13th, which gives you [i]4 days[/b].

now, i am off to try to borrow somebody's usb keyboard because all-lowercase except for what i choose to copypasta is driving me insane.

Hi everyone ^_______^

Since I'm alive again, I'd like to elaborate on what I said in irc about it being likely that Rolled is a wolf.

Let's start with our 3 way msn conversation (Chris, Rolled, me). Rolled proposed that, to stop the random votes/get people to talk (I forget which if it's not both), the three of us all vote for someone within 1 second of each other. Chris said okay, but only if he got to pick who. Chris chose whoatefred, I forget what his reason was but we didn't argue and all voted for him.

Here is why that makes Rolled likely to be a wolf:

1. If Chris named a wolf, I believe he would either have given a bs reason to not vote for them or he would have changed his vote before the end of day 1, despite his computer problems (as they were easily circumvented via ps3).

2. What does a wolf want to do day 1? Inflate human vote numbers without leaving a wolf trail. What better way to do that than by manipulating humans into voting?

3. Even though it was supposed to be a fake/joke vote, he never changed his vote off of whoatefred, when he did have the ability to do so.

Then there is the hugely incriminating fact that I died night 1:

1. As you saw on the wolf forum last game, Rolled is bad at picking night targets that benefit wolves long-term. He initially wanted me to die night 1 that game, and then when it became obvious that NoHitter was the insomniac, wanted me dead night 2. Why did my death not benefit wolves long-term this game? Because, like last game, it made no sense to night kill someone who could so easily be lynched; they wasted their night kill. I intentionally said things that were beyond what I normally would say in hopes that the wolves would keep me alive.

Then there is the fact that I was the psychic. You would think, why is this bad for the wolves long-term? Kill the psychic fast and he will scan less people. That's true, but by killing me you enabled me to confirm a small group of humans extremely early in the game (wojjan, chris, strager, matthewtck), increasing the odds of lynching a wolf.

2. I was the psychic. In msn I refused to roleclaim to both Rolled and Chris, which I have never done before. Chris was suspicious of this but Rolled said that it made sense since they both were wolves last game. I don't buy this for a second. I think it's very likely that he thought I was an aux and sniffed me/had me sniffed. Once the wolves knew I was the psychic, it made no sense for them to not kill me.

Finally, on day 2, after I had posted numerous times about why wojjan and matthewtck couldn't be wolves, Rolled voted for matthewtck. Not only did he vote for him, but he never once commented on my reasoning, despite definitely having read it. This is because by commenting on it, he would be bringing it to everyone's attention again. If no one talks about it, it basically gets swept under the rug.

So, since I have another scan as I die tonight, I would like to reduce the chance of wasting it on a human. If you are the priest who resurrected me, or the coroner who knows for sure that I am the psychic, please PM me. I can also act as your proxy today and give the information on who died, since I am going to die anyway. I can understand the priest's reservations about revealing who they are if they choose not to, but you did have enough faith in me to use your one resurrection, so it would be wonderful if you did.

With that wall of text said, vote Rolled

Okay so

It turns out DeathxShinigami was the Coroner, according to 0_o.

<faceguy> oh btw, I talked to DxS the other day and he was the coroner
<faceguy> he said he was "taking a hit for someone else"
<faceguy> and other things that made no sense

In any case, here are the people who seem the most suspicious to me (in order from most to least suspicious):

-Rolled. There's more than enough evidence against him in my opinion, mainly in this post and Two's post.

-Todesengal. She tried to stop people from killing other people, which you need to do to figure out who is who. Also, she hasn't contributed that much.

-Wojjan and 0_o: I'm getting bad vibes of sorts from the both of them. Plus, they both tried to kill someone on Day 1, making up semi-valid reasons when there really wasn't that much evidence, perhaps trying to get innocent people killed off.

-DJ KRZY: Doesn't seem to be contributing that much, and overall just seems suspicious for some reason.

-adam2046, nardi1011, I_Tatsuo_I, dkun, and Zerostarry. I'd say that at least one of these is a Wolf, since they all seem to be semi-blending in while not being too active (and Zerostarry just made one post with only his vote and left). It just seems like they're staying under the radar, though I suppose it's just those bad vibes again and there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence against them.

As such, I vote Rolled.

pieguy1372 wrote:

-DJ KRZY: Doesn't seem to be contributing that much, and overall just seems suspicious for some reason.

that hurts.

Why the hell did you just out the coroner? Ugh. Rolled would be my ideal lynch candidate for today, but I would like to hear from him.

DiamondCrash wrote:

Why the hell did you just out the coroner? Ugh. Rolled would be my ideal lynch candidate for today, but I would like to hear from him.

He didn't.
0_o was the one who said it. You also seem pretty certain that Dex is the coroner.