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I love how people keep thinking that they know that someone is 100% confirmed vampire or 100% confirmed human.
Recommend a program? Or a site?If you are running Firefox then install Chatzilla
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/16/
If not, or you just don't want to then use http://chat.mibbit.com/
Click Server on the IRC tab, enter irc.3-wave.com as the server address and #wwg as the channel, use whatever nickname you want.
Can we see the logs that confirm Chris, strager, and Zero are wolves? If you don't have any evidence or logs, pack your bags.
EDIT; Looks like we don't have logs~
EDIT; Looks like we don't have logs~
Excuse me while i shoot myself and LadySuburu.
I would love to see logs even the littlest bit incriminating of me being a wolf. Are you slightly upset I was accusing you, Blackthorne?
19:28 Chris I have a wolf on the inside who gave me the wolf list like last gameJoking obviously, but was suspiciously upset. He wrote his comment less than a second after I said "no, not really".
19:28 Chris and you're on it
19:28 Chris no not really you can stop shitting yourself
19:28 Blackthorne If that were true that faggot should get perma banned from this game.
18:30 Blackthorne (RtpmiIjdt) "...is what I said to you on MSN." Now that's just not fair, is IRC not enough?
18:30 Chris tode is a wolf
18:30 Blackthorne That was a quote of you.
18:31 Chris oh
18:31 Chris I wasn't paying attention
18:31 Chris yeah I talk to rolled on msn
18:31 Blackthorne Again, not fair while the IRC is still up.
18:31 Chris it is too fair
18:32 Chris why do you care anyways wolf
18:33 Blackthorne (I am a wolf but at least I'm not a vampire) No real reason i guess, it just seems unnecessary.
18:33 Chris why is it unnecessary
18:35 Blackthorne Thread, IRC, PM System, is that not enough?
18:35 Chris what does that have to do with MSN being unncecessary
18:35 Chris unnecessary
18:35 Blackthorne (I'm going off on a tangent again, goddammit)
18:36 Chris I think mr. wolf is sad he can't read what I say in irc
18:36 Chris but if it will calm your nerves and make you think I don't suspect you
18:36 Chris I talk to rolled on MSN cause I've known him for 8 years
18:37 Blackthorne Yeah, calming me. Yeah that's not happening.
Joking obviously, but was suspiciously upset. He wrote his comment less than a second after I said "no, not really".Seeing this game die again on the second day would be rather problematic. And i can't take jokes when everything ever said will be taken seriously, which is a habit i notice anyway.
(I am a wolf but at least I'm not a vampire)I was poking fun at the interchange of terminology that everyone uses without the slightest care in the world.
(Regarding the rest in between that) And i am the king of going too far on stupid tangents.
Yeah, calming me. Yeah that's not happening.
Blackthorne> You are just naturally rage inducing.
I would really like to request to prod matthewtck and I_Tatsuo_I please. Dunno if inactive players can be prodded or not ?_?
Hey hey, I sit in the IRC channel >_> And I talk on thereDeathxShinigami wrote:
I would really like to request to prod matthewtck and I_Tatsuo_I please. Dunno if inactive players can be prodded or not ?_?
If you're going to prod someone, go prod matthewtck, since I never see him in irc either.DeathxShinigami wrote:
I would really like to request to prod matthewtck and I_Tatsuo_I please. Dunno if inactive players can be prodded or not ?_?
sorry...had rushing unfinished holiday hwDeathxShinigami wrote:
I would really like to request to prod matthewtck and I_Tatsuo_I please. Dunno if inactive players can be prodded or not ?_?
...anyway...this is getting confusing and i don't know who to vote...
Chris would you make up your mind on who to incrimate as wolf already? It seems to me you are just trying to push suspicion towards everyone but yourself. Scared of suspicion?
LETS TRY THIS AGAIN
Vote: matthewtck
Vote: matthewtck
Vote I_Tatsuo_I
All you've done so far is cast one random vote on day 1. I'd like to see some actual talking from you.
All you've done so far is cast one random vote on day 1. I'd like to see some actual talking from you.
You know Derekku, maybe you should point your attention towards adam2046.
I haven't seen him around for quite some time. If I am mistaken, please point this out.
But his absence from this forum and from the irc has lead me to suspect him as a vampire. Although, then again, I suppose inactivity really isn't a cause for suspicion alarms to go off.
Although that is what some of you are doing.
As for who I should vote for hmm...
Vote: DJblackthorne
Because the way he answers some questions leads me to believe that he is a vampire. He seems a bit too defensive in trying to write off that he's a civvi.
Although I have my eyes on DxS also. But for now I think I will stick with you DJ.
I haven't seen him around for quite some time. If I am mistaken, please point this out.
But his absence from this forum and from the irc has lead me to suspect him as a vampire. Although, then again, I suppose inactivity really isn't a cause for suspicion alarms to go off.
Although that is what some of you are doing.
As for who I should vote for hmm...
Vote: DJblackthorne
Because the way he answers some questions leads me to believe that he is a vampire. He seems a bit too defensive in trying to write off that he's a civvi.
Although I have my eyes on DxS also. But for now I think I will stick with you DJ.
What kind of dumb question is that?Wojjan wrote:
Chris would you make up your mind on who to incrimate as wolf already? It seems to me you are just trying to push suspicion towards everyone but yourself. Scared of suspicion?
.. I incriminate those who incriminate themselves. Of course I don't want to put suspicion on myself, that's retarded.
Think before you post please.
unvote, Vote DJBlackthorne
Vote: Rolled
Hi Rolled
Hi Rolled
Fuck you Tatsuo~
vote: Mathew for being the worst wolf in wwg history.
What the hell is going on.
Topic Starter
Status is updated; here's where we currently stand.
Vote Tally
matthewtck (2 Votes: DeathxShinigami, Rolled)
DJblackthorne (2 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
I_Tatsuo_I (1 Vote: Derekku Chan)
0_o (1 Vote: Zerostarry)
Chris (1 Vote: strager)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
Vote Tally
matthewtck (2 Votes: DeathxShinigami, Rolled)
DJblackthorne (2 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
I_Tatsuo_I (1 Vote: Derekku Chan)
0_o (1 Vote: Zerostarry)
Chris (1 Vote: strager)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
DJ KRZY wrote:
What the hell is going on.
I reread the threread, and saw a lot of weird things from Blackthorne. Why the hell so defensive, dude?
Also, I think we need to find a place to slam all the IRC logs onto. I suggest a pastebin, since you can't alter that while keeping the same URL.
Also, I think we need to find a place to slam all the IRC logs onto. I suggest a pastebin, since you can't alter that while keeping the same URL.
Yeah man his posts are so fucking suspicious, the way he defends himself in all ... one of them.Wojjan wrote:
I reread the threread, and saw a lot of weird things from Blackthorne. Why the hell so defensive, dude?
Also, I think we need to find a place to slam all the IRC logs onto. I suggest a pastebin, since you can't alter that while keeping the same URL.
Does that mean you think Blackthorne is more suspiciously a wolf than your vote of adam?Wojjan wrote:
I reread the threread, and saw a lot of weird things from Blackthorne. Why the hell so defensive, dude?
Also, I think we need to find a place to slam all the IRC logs onto. I suggest a pastebin, since you can't alter that while keeping the same URL.
I agree with the pastebin log dumping.
Well I am again voting Wojjan. In this log (courtesy of Ival) he acted very skeptical of Two's validity, even though Two was NK'd. And while technically it is possible that the vamps could have sacrificed a vampy Two, it really wouldn't have accomplished anything since all Two did was clear someone (well, two people, even though I'm not entirely sure how. I have theories though). If he was lying about being the Psychic, why not accuse someone? Even so, seeing as the coroner is very likely still alive, there really wouldn't have been any point to sacrificing one of their own this early.
So for me, this is a big deja-vu of the wolves last game who insisted on lynching NoHItter when it was fairly obvious that it was the wrong move.
So for me, this is a big deja-vu of the wolves last game who insisted on lynching NoHItter when it was fairly obvious that it was the wrong move.
But...as for Wojjan I personally don't see it being that much of a threat comparing to blackthorne...0_o wrote:
Well I am again voting Wojjan. In this log (courtesy of Ival) he acted very skeptical of Two's validity, even though Two was NK'd. And while technically it is possible that the vamps could have sacrificed a vampy Two, it really wouldn't have accomplished anything since all Two did was clear someone (well, two people, even though I'm not entirely sure how. I have theories though). If he was lying about being the Psychic, why not accuse someone? Even so, seeing as the coroner is very likely still alive, there really wouldn't have been any point to sacrificing one of their own this early.
So for me, this is a big deja-vu of the wolves last game who insisted on lynching NoHItter when it was fairly obvious that it was the wrong move.
Soo... Devote Vote: DJ Blackthorne
I'm going to request that those currently on the Blackthorne wagon (Chris excluded) repost their reasons for why they think he's a wolf.
Details would be great.
Details would be great.
Heh, majority vote decides the world. And here i thought, the defense had to act.
I'm not voting for Blackthorne because he's a wolf actually but only because of the way he acts, I mean sure you can play defensively and stall but it is indeed majority rules and a defensive like his would never become a part of a majority.
Oh, come the fuck on.
Vote: DxS
Vote: DxS
Damnit, I was about to do that...strager wrote:
Oh, come the fuck on.
Vote: DxS
After I heard from Tat.
Wow, not checking for a few days and the world is spinning into madness, already looked at what you guys posted, so may as well
Vote:Chris
You're trying to get everyone to bandwagon on Blackthorne which is a bit incositus in my book. Why are you trying so hard for us to lean to Blackthorne?
Vote:Chris
You're trying to get everyone to bandwagon on Blackthorne which is a bit incositus in my book. Why are you trying so hard for us to lean to Blackthorne?
He's not trying to unite people against Blackthorne, he simply stated what he thought about Blackthorne and everyone followed.Oyashiro Beatrice wrote:
Wow, not checking for a few days and the world is spinning into madness, already looked at what you guys posted, so may as well
Vote:Chris
You're trying to get everyone to bandwagon on Blackthorne which is a bit incositus in my book. Why are you trying so hard for us to lean to Blackthorne?
And might I add that I voted for DJ Blackthorne first, simply because I thought he was suspicious to begin with. The irc log that Chris posted already made me think against him, thus me voting for him. More voting was done against DJ Blackthorne after my initial vote.
Anyway, I'm still sticking with Blackthorne, and he isn't around to defend himself. I haven't seen him today. Or that could just be because I was AFK from the irc for a while. But Tode said in the irc that no one was talking in the irc.
Cuddlebun> no one's said anything all fucking day!I'm going to assume he hasn't been on all day. He can't defend himself; like he was doing a good job at it anyway.
<Cuddlebun> what the heck
<Tatsuo> ....
<LadySuburu> Dunno.
<LadySuburu> Slow day maybe?
<Cuddlebun> in eleven hours, there were three lines of chat before tatsuoo
<Cuddlebun> -o
And I'm going to bring this up again, because it still arouses suspicion.
Chris wrote:
19:28 Chris I have a wolf on the inside who gave me the wolf list like last game
19:28 Chris and you're on it
19:28 Chris no not really you can stop shitting yourself
19:28 Blackthorne If that were true that faggot should get perma banned from this game.
Joking obviously, but was suspiciously upset. He wrote his comment less than a second after I said "no, not really".
matthew had the second highest vote count on day 1. Day 2 ends in less than 24 hours and he still hasn't tried to defend himself and seems to be hiding instead.
Vote matthewtck for the same reasons as before.
EDIT: Even if he is just a vanilla; a vanilla that doesn't try to help isn't beneficial to us. orz
Vote matthewtck for the same reasons as before.
EDIT: Even if he is just a vanilla; a vanilla that doesn't try to help isn't beneficial to us. orz
Going to unvote one more time sorry.
Vote: DxS
Poor reasoning for his matt vote D1, but continues to try again D2, looks like he's trying to get an easy lynch on a newbie townie.
Switches to Blackthorne with no posted reasoning, sheeping behind Chris's post. Then his explanation post basically says: "I'm voting Blackthorne because he's never going to vote with the majority. I don't really think he's a wolf though."
HoS: Derekku
Votes for Matt D1 even stating that he's not posting much. (As in, he won't be back to even try to defend himself.) D2, revotes for the same reasons D1, only adding that "Even if he is just a vanilla; a vanilla that doesn't try to help isn't beneficial to us." Again, an easy lynch to hop on, and doesn't seem to actually be trying to look for wolves.
FoS: Tatsuo
Sheeps behind Chris's post, voting against Blackthorne. States multiple times... "...he isn't around to defend himself." "He can't defend himself."
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As for the "Suspicious statement" that Blackthorne made...
Chris states: "He wrote his comment less than a second after I said "no, not really"."
As I was not there at the time, I cannot know when Blackthorne started typing his comment. However, from the way this is worded and the timing on the log, the way I see it is that Blackthorne started typing it after Chris's first line. "I have a wolf on the inside who gave me all the wolf names."
If he had started typing it at the time of the second comment, it would be suspicious. Again, since I was not there, I can't weigh the statement.
As for the rest of Chris's case, I don't see anything about it that seems particularly wolfish.
Poor reasoning for his matt vote D1, but continues to try again D2, looks like he's trying to get an easy lynch on a newbie townie.
Switches to Blackthorne with no posted reasoning, sheeping behind Chris's post. Then his explanation post basically says: "I'm voting Blackthorne because he's never going to vote with the majority. I don't really think he's a wolf though."
HoS: Derekku
Votes for Matt D1 even stating that he's not posting much. (As in, he won't be back to even try to defend himself.) D2, revotes for the same reasons D1, only adding that "Even if he is just a vanilla; a vanilla that doesn't try to help isn't beneficial to us." Again, an easy lynch to hop on, and doesn't seem to actually be trying to look for wolves.
FoS: Tatsuo
Sheeps behind Chris's post, voting against Blackthorne. States multiple times... "...he isn't around to defend himself." "He can't defend himself."
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As for the "Suspicious statement" that Blackthorne made...
Chris states: "He wrote his comment less than a second after I said "no, not really"."
As I was not there at the time, I cannot know when Blackthorne started typing his comment. However, from the way this is worded and the timing on the log, the way I see it is that Blackthorne started typing it after Chris's first line. "I have a wolf on the inside who gave me all the wolf names."
If he had started typing it at the time of the second comment, it would be suspicious. Again, since I was not there, I can't weigh the statement.
As for the rest of Chris's case, I don't see anything about it that seems particularly wolfish.
Topic Starter
Status is updated. Here ya go. ^.^
Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (2 Votes: strager, LadySuburu)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DJblackthorne (2 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Wojjan (1 Vote: 0_o)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
0_o (1 Vote: Zerostarry)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
[point out logic flaw]
By the way, Derekku...regarding your "eliminate the bad townie" logic:
*assuming one using said logic is human*
ANYONE with a Human role is NEVER "not of any value/use," even Civvies; BECAUSE they are Human, they help the Human team outnumber the Vampires. Therefore I strongly suggest you stop your dangerous thinking, and it IS dangerous, because it is STUPID to lynch someone you think is a Human for ANY reason. If you believe someone is Human, but choose to try to get them lynched anyway, you are supporting the Vampires. I personally see LESS than ZERO possible benefit from "getting rid of a stupid/bad townie."
Just thought I'd say.
Now on the other hand, it would be FAR less stupid to vote for someone you think is a Vampire, which is what you are supposed to be doing.
[/point out logic flaw]
Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (2 Votes: strager, LadySuburu)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DJblackthorne (2 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Wojjan (1 Vote: 0_o)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
0_o (1 Vote: Zerostarry)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
[point out logic flaw]
By the way, Derekku...regarding your "eliminate the bad townie" logic:
*assuming one using said logic is human*
ANYONE with a Human role is NEVER "not of any value/use," even Civvies; BECAUSE they are Human, they help the Human team outnumber the Vampires. Therefore I strongly suggest you stop your dangerous thinking, and it IS dangerous, because it is STUPID to lynch someone you think is a Human for ANY reason. If you believe someone is Human, but choose to try to get them lynched anyway, you are supporting the Vampires. I personally see LESS than ZERO possible benefit from "getting rid of a stupid/bad townie."
Just thought I'd say.
Now on the other hand, it would be FAR less stupid to vote for someone you think is a Vampire, which is what you are supposed to be doing.
[/point out logic flaw]
...shit, I worded that wrong.
I was trying to get at "if he's not trying to help the town, then that sounds like scummy behavior." Being quiet in games like this is never a good idea. If he's a townie and bored, then he shouldn't have signed up in the first place.
orz
I was trying to get at "if he's not trying to help the town, then that sounds like scummy behavior." Being quiet in games like this is never a good idea. If he's a townie and bored, then he shouldn't have signed up in the first place.
orz
Hey Ace.
You aren't playing. ^_^
You aren't playing. ^_^
Wow I can't understand AT ALL what's going on, I will have to pore over the last three pages or so with extreme concentration today until I actually understand what people are saying. Damn English not being my first language.
So until then, no voting
So until then, no voting
How come no one has addressed the fact that the NK'd psychic-claiming Two has cleared strager and Chris? It seems odd to me that there are people still discussing voting for Chris when a dead, quite-likely psychic says he's human.
Now I do realize that Two wouldn't be able to scan twice so it's likely that one of them was cleared by other means (of, admittedly, unknown validity), but there still is a decent chance he was cleared by Psychic investigation. It would be kind of nice if Two could shed some light on the whole situation, but I don't know where his mind is at (I never do).
What are everyone else's thoughts on this?
Now I do realize that Two wouldn't be able to scan twice so it's likely that one of them was cleared by other means (of, admittedly, unknown validity), but there still is a decent chance he was cleared by Psychic investigation. It would be kind of nice if Two could shed some light on the whole situation, but I don't know where his mind is at (I never do).
What are everyone else's thoughts on this?
Hello, my head is dead from 400 miles of driving. Let me read through the thread.
..Okay now I'm confused.
Dammit. I'll vote for DxS for Lady Suburu's reasons as I reread the thread for the nth time.
Also, what does it mean for you to say "LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN." What makes you so sure? :
Because s/he is "least experienced, poor time zone location and lack of maturity."?
..Okay now I'm confused.
Dammit. I'll vote for DxS for Lady Suburu's reasons as I reread the thread for the nth time.
Also, what does it mean for you to say "LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN." What makes you so sure? :
Because s/he is "least experienced, poor time zone location and lack of maturity."?
Two mentioned that he scanned strager. He used his bromance with Chris to determine that he was human.
[18:37] <Two> 2. chris used our friendship this game to convince me that he wasn't a wolf, he wouldn't throw that away over a game
[18:38] <@The_King_In_Yellow> BFF POWER
Vote: DJBlackThorne.
err...VOTE:DiamondCrash
seems a bit suspicious to me...
seems a bit suspicious to me...
Right. Reread the thread like three-four times, along with the logs. Posting to offer my view at the situation
Starting off, I don't think Two would have any reason at all to lie about him being a psychic and strager and chris's human status. Provided that it is very, very unlikely for the wolves to sacrifice a wolf Two on the first night, Two is most definitely a human and a psychic, which pretty much clears strager. As for Chris, I have no idea what methods Two used to claim Chris's humanity (see Ivalsetto's claim that Two scanned strager), but I brush it aside for now as there are more important matters at hand.
Which brings me to...DxS.
LadySuburu has already posted what I wanted to say, but seriously, DxS is three times as more suspicious as NoHItter was in last WWG. For those who don't understand, that's quite a high level of suspiciousness. Instantly going all-out to lynch someone for no solid reason on day 1 might be eyebrow-raising but understandable. Trying the same thing again without additional evidence is definitely suspicious. What's even more suspicious is that he changes his vote to Blackthorne so easily. His pathetic excuse for a reason (I think it had something to do with Blackthorne not following the majority) only tells me that he is eager to jump on any bandwagon that flies atm.
i.e. the classic behavior of a wolf.
Read Chris's log with Blackthorne, and I gotta admit, Blackthorne is acting quite differently from the last WWG, where he was a civ (were you? I'm not 100% sure) However, nothing too suspicious yet.
Didn't even bother to read the log accusing wojjan. Apologies to Ival who provided the log, but I'm just too lazy to read a log that long.
So,
Vote : DxS until anything new comes up. I'd love to see DxS actually make a defense for himself, since he hasn't done that in this game yet.
Starting off, I don't think Two would have any reason at all to lie about him being a psychic and strager and chris's human status. Provided that it is very, very unlikely for the wolves to sacrifice a wolf Two on the first night, Two is most definitely a human and a psychic, which pretty much clears strager. As for Chris, I have no idea what methods Two used to claim Chris's humanity (see Ivalsetto's claim that Two scanned strager), but I brush it aside for now as there are more important matters at hand.
Which brings me to...DxS.
LadySuburu has already posted what I wanted to say, but seriously, DxS is three times as more suspicious as NoHItter was in last WWG. For those who don't understand, that's quite a high level of suspiciousness. Instantly going all-out to lynch someone for no solid reason on day 1 might be eyebrow-raising but understandable. Trying the same thing again without additional evidence is definitely suspicious. What's even more suspicious is that he changes his vote to Blackthorne so easily. His pathetic excuse for a reason (I think it had something to do with Blackthorne not following the majority) only tells me that he is eager to jump on any bandwagon that flies atm.
i.e. the classic behavior of a wolf.
Read Chris's log with Blackthorne, and I gotta admit, Blackthorne is acting quite differently from the last WWG, where he was a civ (were you? I'm not 100% sure) However, nothing too suspicious yet.
Didn't even bother to read the log accusing wojjan. Apologies to Ival who provided the log, but I'm just too lazy to read a log that long.
So,
Vote : DxS until anything new comes up. I'd love to see DxS actually make a defense for himself, since he hasn't done that in this game yet.
So I went and took a timetrip in the fora, and looked up the player/wolf ratio for all of Ace's games:
WWG4: 19 players, 7 wolves. 7/19*100 = 36,84%
WWG3: 22 players, 8 wolves. 8/22*100 = 36,36%
WWG2: 26 players, 8 wolves. 8/26*100 = 30,77%
WWG1: 14 players, 5 wolves. 5/14*100 = 35,71%
Average = 34,92% ⋍ 35%
WWG5: 25 players, X wolves. X/25*100 ⋍35% => X=8,73
Assuming Ace keeps a steady ratio (which he does more or less), there are 8 or 9 wolves in this game. Since in a game with 26 players (WWG3) he previously used 8 wolves, I'm inclined to believe 8 again.
So here is my suspicion list of all living players, assuming we have not yet killed a wolf. The confirmed humans are based on Two's information he sent me as of Night 1. I filtered out intuition and the facts, and was left with this.
Obviously, these aren't my final eight, and this list isn't set in stone, as we're only Day 2.
The top eight in this list would, according to my logic, at least, be the wolves (with the exempt from Chris and DJBlackthorne, I'll explain that when I get there.). Following is some elaboration on these eight, as to why exactly they scored so high:
DeathxShinigami: He has only been voting for those who already have votes, and seems to rush the game towards night phase. Quite strange, if you ask me, for a civvie to do.
Todesengal: Although hanging in IRC often, I haven't seen any actual contributing from her side, although she usually does, based on previous games.
I_Tatsuo_I: In addition to the argument I gave for Tode, (bar the experience from previous games), he seems to actually be able to contribute, but only did so when asked.
nardi11011: Has he even been around to drop off his opinion? I'm used to way more participation on his side, whih even led to him making an alternate account. Why did he suddenly fall mute?
Rolled: He has been making some small slip-ups I wouldn't expect from an experienced player. That callout on Tode's comment was odd, because I honestly don't think he wouldn't know the word 'succint'. And, quoth DiamondCrash:
Chris: He has been picking on Blackthorne in that one post with the logs, and with very poor arguments to boot.
0_o: Now, this is a different story. Everyone seems to suspect DeathxShinigami because of his constant will to off matthew. However, Day 1 and Day 2 he has only voted me, with arguments one can easily pull a reversal on. The first day, indeed, I took the votes too serious. But it did lead to some more or less decent discussion instead of a non-stop RVS. I'm not saying I suspect him on that, he did well to call me out at that point. But on Day 2, he still votes for me, with that IRC log as evidence, so to speak. However, that IRC logs tells of me not believing Two was the psychic - I do now, by the way, since that talk. - and my strategy for playing wolf being different from him regarding killing a wolf at night.
DJBlackthorne: I know listing him an Chris both as wolves takes away the credibility of my theory, but since this is only a suspicion list, and not a list of "these guys are wolves!", please bear with me. Blackthorne has been in IRC with Chris who was barraging him with accusations that didn't really make sense. However, Blackthorne immedately became defensive on the matter, and tried to counter his logic with whatever he could, hoping to drive suspicion away from him. He is just trying too hard to counter all arguments to still remain believable.
stuffy language, WIFOM WIFOM, look at me I'm diplomatic. Shoot me.
WWG4: 19 players, 7 wolves. 7/19*100 = 36,84%
WWG3: 22 players, 8 wolves. 8/22*100 = 36,36%
WWG2: 26 players, 8 wolves. 8/26*100 = 30,77%
WWG1: 14 players, 5 wolves. 5/14*100 = 35,71%
Average = 34,92% ⋍ 35%
WWG5: 25 players, X wolves. X/25*100 ⋍35% => X=8,73
Assuming Ace keeps a steady ratio (which he does more or less), there are 8 or 9 wolves in this game. Since in a game with 26 players (WWG3) he previously used 8 wolves, I'm inclined to believe 8 again.
So here is my suspicion list of all living players, assuming we have not yet killed a wolf. The confirmed humans are based on Two's information he sent me as of Night 1. I filtered out intuition and the facts, and was left with this.
Suspicion List: Spoilerboxed for length.
DJblackthorne
0_o
Chris
Rolled
nardi11011
I_Tatsuo_I
Todesengal
DeathxShinigami
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DJ KRZY
dkun
Ivalset
Oyashiro Beatrice
pieguy1372
adam2046
thepianist
matthewtck
MarioBros777
DiamondCrash
Zerostarry
LadySuburu
Derekku Chan (More or less CONFIRMED by Ace, who called Derek out on being a HUMAN voting for a HUMAN)
Wojjan (not confirmed, but I don't suspect myself, obviously.)
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strager (CONFIRMED HUMAN, Psychic result.)
Two(CONFIRMED HUMAN, Coroner result.)
whoatefred(CONFIRMED HUMAN, Coroner result.)
0_o
Chris
Rolled
nardi11011
I_Tatsuo_I
Todesengal
DeathxShinigami
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DJ KRZY
dkun
Ivalset
Oyashiro Beatrice
pieguy1372
adam2046
thepianist
matthewtck
MarioBros777
DiamondCrash
Zerostarry
LadySuburu
Derekku Chan (More or less CONFIRMED by Ace, who called Derek out on being a HUMAN voting for a HUMAN)
Wojjan (not confirmed, but I don't suspect myself, obviously.)
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strager (CONFIRMED HUMAN, Psychic result.)
Obviously, these aren't my final eight, and this list isn't set in stone, as we're only Day 2.
The top eight in this list would, according to my logic, at least, be the wolves (with the exempt from Chris and DJBlackthorne, I'll explain that when I get there.). Following is some elaboration on these eight, as to why exactly they scored so high:
DeathxShinigami: He has only been voting for those who already have votes, and seems to rush the game towards night phase. Quite strange, if you ask me, for a civvie to do.
Todesengal: Although hanging in IRC often, I haven't seen any actual contributing from her side, although she usually does, based on previous games.
I_Tatsuo_I: In addition to the argument I gave for Tode, (bar the experience from previous games), he seems to actually be able to contribute, but only did so when asked.
nardi11011: Has he even been around to drop off his opinion? I'm used to way more participation on his side, whih even led to him making an alternate account. Why did he suddenly fall mute?
Rolled: He has been making some small slip-ups I wouldn't expect from an experienced player. That callout on Tode's comment was odd, because I honestly don't think he wouldn't know the word 'succint'. And, quoth DiamondCrash:
<DiamondCrash> Also he quoted the wrong person in his post
Chris: He has been picking on Blackthorne in that one post with the logs, and with very poor arguments to boot.
0_o: Now, this is a different story. Everyone seems to suspect DeathxShinigami because of his constant will to off matthew. However, Day 1 and Day 2 he has only voted me, with arguments one can easily pull a reversal on. The first day, indeed, I took the votes too serious. But it did lead to some more or less decent discussion instead of a non-stop RVS. I'm not saying I suspect him on that, he did well to call me out at that point. But on Day 2, he still votes for me, with that IRC log as evidence, so to speak. However, that IRC logs tells of me not believing Two was the psychic - I do now, by the way, since that talk. - and my strategy for playing wolf being different from him regarding killing a wolf at night.
DJBlackthorne: I know listing him an Chris both as wolves takes away the credibility of my theory, but since this is only a suspicion list, and not a list of "these guys are wolves!", please bear with me. Blackthorne has been in IRC with Chris who was barraging him with accusations that didn't really make sense. However, Blackthorne immedately became defensive on the matter, and tried to counter his logic with whatever he could, hoping to drive suspicion away from him. He is just trying too hard to counter all arguments to still remain believable.
stuffy language, WIFOM WIFOM, look at me I'm diplomatic. Shoot me.
I've just not really been that motivated to actually form an opinion after the last game failed (and I think being a wolf is more fun). As far as suspicion goes, most people haven't really acted suspicious enough for me to consider a vote or I've found their suspicious actions to be explained better by something else than being a wolf. One who does stick out for me is DxS; he seems a bit like a newbie (has he played before?) wolf with his short posts with little reasoning, trying to look like he's thought stuff out but in reality just voting on whoever has been voted on already on is likely to be voted on more. His lack of a defense seems weird as well, though now that I think about it that could go either way. Anyway, I guess I'll vote for him since I don't really have anyone else I'm just as suspicious of.
Vote: DxS
Vote: DxS
To clarify why I'm voting:
Oh, look, a diplomat!
Vote: Wojjan
strager is really hoping strager can get a chance to read the thread and IRC logs this weekend.
DxS wrote:
Vote: DJ Blackthorne
And the kicker (which I was hoping for, as it's a classic, strong scum tell):DxS wrote:
I'm not voting for Blackthorne because he's a wolf actually but only because of the way he acts, ....
Confirm vote: DxSDxS wrote:
Going to unvote one more time sorry.
Oh, look, a diplomat!
strager is really hoping strager can get a chance to read the thread and IRC logs this weekend.
What the hell...thepianist wrote:
Hello, my head is dead from 400 miles of driving. Let me read through the thread.
..Okay now I'm confused.
Dammit. I'll vote for DxS for Lady Suburu's reasons as I reread the thread for the nth time.
Also, what does it mean for you to say "LET'S TRY THIS AGAIN." What makes you so sure? :
Because s/he is "least experienced, poor time zone location and lack of maturity."?
Since when were you in this game?
W-Wuhh. That was mean >:cadam2046 wrote:
What the hell...
Since when were you in this game?
Anyways, what is a good application to access IRC from an iPod?
Wojjan you are forgetting Rolled did not finish high school.
It's shame everyone's using me as bait 
DeathxShinigami wrote:
It's shame everyone's using me as bait
It's a shame you aren't defending yourself.
At least say "I'm not a wolf" or something.
Really?Todesengal wrote:
Wojjan you are forgetting Rolled did not finish high school.
Bait? The only thing we're trying to catch is a vampire, and as far as I'm concerned, that's you.DeathxShinigami wrote:
It's shame everyone's using me as bait
I use Colloquy, costs $2.thepianist wrote:
Anyways, what is a good application to access IRC from an iPod?
@Wojjan: I realize my voting for you seems odd when there are several more popular votes right now, but I think the reason that I find you the most suspicious is because I've found you suspicious for the longest. The idea of "Wojjan is a vampire" has had the most time to settle in my head compared to anyone else. So I admit there is a bias here, but that's just where my head is at.
I'll probably be switching my vote to one of the more likely candidates for a lynch once I read through everything again.
Hmm... even with matthew being an inexperienced player, I'd say that the vampires would be telling him how to post without looking suspicious. I suppose for now I'll lay off my suspicions (for now), but insist that he posts more (and with more detail than "they look suspicious").
I'll change my vote in a bit once I find a better person to vote for (aka re-reading walls of text yayy)
I'll change my vote in a bit once I find a better person to vote for (aka re-reading walls of text yayy)
Topic Starter
Status is updated.
Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (5 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Wojjan (1 Vote: 0_o)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
0_o (1 Vote: Zerostarry)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
Also, I nearly typed a disclaimer for my previous post twice. I SEE I SHOULDA SUBMITTED IT. People, people. I confirmed NOTHING in that post. I thought I made it pretty damn clear that it was the LOGIC I was pointing out flaws in, ASSUMING Derekku was Human.
However, now I WILL confirm that I won't be doing anything other than updating the status. I'm not talking anymore, because every time I open my mouth to say anything other than "the status is updated herpa derpa derp" or make a storyline post, someone thinks I've confirmed someone else's role. No more input from your Host. I'm done with this crap. Status updates only from here on out.
Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (5 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Wojjan (1 Vote: 0_o)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
0_o (1 Vote: Zerostarry)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
Also, I nearly typed a disclaimer for my previous post twice. I SEE I SHOULDA SUBMITTED IT. People, people. I confirmed NOTHING in that post. I thought I made it pretty damn clear that it was the LOGIC I was pointing out flaws in, ASSUMING Derekku was Human.
However, now I WILL confirm that I won't be doing anything other than updating the status. I'm not talking anymore, because every time I open my mouth to say anything other than "the status is updated herpa derpa derp" or make a storyline post, someone thinks I've confirmed someone else's role. No more input from your Host. I'm done with this crap. Status updates only from here on out.
Reading and re-reading through the thread...
Vote DxS.
On a little side note; Forgive me for my inactivity on WWG5. Steam gets the best of me sometimes, and I just get a little bit too preoccupied with my personal matters.
No solid reasons and pressing to lynch someone without enough evidence...DJ KRZY wrote:
LadySuburu has already posted what I wanted to say, but seriously, DxS is three times as more suspicious as NoHItter was in last WWG. For those who don't understand, that's quite a high level of suspiciousness. Instantly going all-out to lynch someone for no solid reason on day 1 might be eyebrow-raising but understandable. Trying the same thing again without additional evidence is definitely suspicious. What's even more suspicious is that he changes his vote to Blackthorne so easily. His pathetic excuse for a reason (I think it had something to do with Blackthorne not following the majority) only tells me that he is eager to jump on any bandwagon that flies atm.
Check how you're acting right now, vampire.DeathxShinigami wrote:
I'm not voting for Blackthorne because he's a wolf actually but only because of the way he acts
Vote DxS.
On a little side note; Forgive me for my inactivity on WWG5. Steam gets the best of me sometimes, and I just get a little bit too preoccupied with my personal matters.
Vote: DxS
Let's move this along shall we?
Let's move this along shall we?
Unvote.
Vote: DeathxShinigami
Vote: DeathxShinigami
..well that makes my decision easier.
There's no way an aux would give up like that unless he's a total douche, so seeing as the worst-case scenario is that we lynch a civilian who doesn't want to play anymore:
vote DxS
There's no way an aux would give up like that unless he's a total douche, so seeing as the worst-case scenario is that we lynch a civilian who doesn't want to play anymore:
vote DxS
Topic Starter
Status updated again.
1 1/2 hours to the deadline; I'll be keeping a closer eye on things.
Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (9 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
1 1/2 hours to the deadline; I'll be keeping a closer eye on things.
Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (9 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
matthewtck (2 Votes: Rolled, Derekku Chan)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Rolled (b]1 Vote[/b]: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
Sorry I am being a douche to you guys. Have fun trying to figure out which roles people have~0_o wrote:
..well that makes my decision easier.
There's no way an aux would give up like that unless he's a total douche, so seeing as the worst-case scenario is that we lynch a civilian who doesn't want to play anymore:
vote DxS
*sigh* Why does it come down to this...
Vote: DxS
Vote: DxS
Vote: DxS
Topic Starter
Another update. Less than 10 minutes to go. If there aren't a few more people who vote, I have to hand out some PVs.
Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (11 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o, Derekku Chan, Ivalset)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Rolled (1 Vote: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
matthewtck (1 Votes: Rolled)
Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (11 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o, Derekku Chan, Ivalset)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (1 Vote: Oyashiro Beatrice)
Rolled (1 Vote: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
matthewtck (1 Votes: Rolled)
I started typing when i read the first post, hit enter, then looked at the screen. As for the content of those four lines, i was pretty ticked when my first WWG ended on the second day for such an unnecessarily stupid reason.LadySuburu wrote:
As I was not there at the time, I cannot know when Blackthorne started typing his comment. However, from the way this is worded and the timing on the log, the way I see it is that Blackthorne started typing it after Chris's first line. "I have a wolf on the inside who gave me all the wolf names."
If he had started typing it at the time of the second comment, it would be suspicious. Again, since I was not there, I can't weigh the statement.
*punches modem* (Work faster) Let me make a blanket statement real quick. I'll fight accusations, because i feel that's what has to be done. And it's what i do for fun in this game along side watching how the vote tree develops. Now i won't bother claiming that I'm human because i feel it has the same significance of putting a rock on a tank. What i say doesn't ultimately matter as much in this game after my idiot parade rolls out.
Vote Chris
Topic Starter
Okay people, pencils down.
Nice save there Blackthorne; your vote saved you from a PV.
Necessaries will be up when they're done being typed.
Edit-in: Here's the vote log if you want it.
Nice save there Blackthorne; your vote saved you from a PV.
Necessaries will be up when they're done being typed.
Edit-in: Here's the vote log if you want it.
Those who failed to vote will have a Phantom Vote placed on their heads on Day 3.Day 2 Vote Log wrote:
Current Lynch Vote Standings
Vote Tally
DeathxShinigami (11 Votes: strager, LadySuburu, thepianist, DJ KRZY, nardi11011, dkun, DeathxShinigami, Zerostarry, 0_o, Derekku Chan, Ivalset)
DJblackthorne (3 Votes: I_Tatsuo_I, Chris, DiamondCrash)
DiamondCrash (1 Vote: matthewtck)
Chris (2 Votes: Oyashiro Beatrice, DJblackthorne)
Rolled (1 Vote: adam2046)
adam2046 (1 Vote: Wojjan)
matthewtck (1 Votes: Rolled)
Vote Log
* Chris voted against Rolled.
* Wojjan voted against adam2046.
* strager voted against Chris.
* Zerostarry voted against 0_o.
* DeathxShinigami voted against matthewtck.
* Derekku Chan voted against I_Tatsuo_I.
* I_Tatsuo_I voted against DJblackthorne.
- Chris changed his vote to DJblackthorne.
* adam2046 voted against Rolled.
* Rolled voted against matthewtck.
* 0_o voted against Wojjan.
- DeathxShinigami changed his vote to DJblackthorne.
- strager changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
* Oyashiro Beatrice voted against Chris.
- Derekku Chan changed his vote to matthewtck.
- DeathxShinigami retracted his vote.
* LadySuburu voted against DeathxShinigami.
* thepianist voted against DeathxShinigami.
* DiamondCrash voted against DJblackthorne.
* matthewtck voted against DiamondCrash.
* DJ KRZY voted against DeathxShinigami.
* nardi11011 voted against DeathxShinigami.
* dkun voted against DeathxShinigami.
- DeathxShinigami changed his vote to himself.
- Zerostarry changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
- 0_o changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
- Derekku Chan changed his vote to DeathxShinigami.
* Ivalset voted against DeathxShinigami.
* DJblackthorne voted against Chris.
x Todesengal failed to vote.
x MarioBros777 failed to vote.
x pieguy1372 failed to vote.
Topic Starter
Dusk
It was pretty clear who the vote was against tonight.
DeathxShinigami was taken to the gallows, allowed final words, then hanged.
Barring final words, DeathxShinigami is now dead and is out of the game.
Night 2
During This Phase: I am expecting Night PMs in my PMbox.
Deadline: 8:00 PM EST on Friday, July 9th. This allows 2 days for the PMs to arrive.
It was pretty clear who the vote was against tonight.
DeathxShinigami was taken to the gallows, allowed final words, then hanged.
Barring final words, DeathxShinigami is now dead and is out of the game.
Night 2
During This Phase: I am expecting Night PMs in my PMbox.
Deadline: 8:00 PM EST on Friday, July 9th. This allows 2 days for the PMs to arrive.
The preparations are now complete.
Topic Starter
well. things are getting more complicated. sorry for the late post, but my ''d'' key is not functional (the contact still works, but the membrane is shot), so i tried to repair it by taking the membrane from my start menu key using directions i found online. this did not solve my problem, and in addition, this attempt also ended up killing the apparently rather small circuit my start menu key evidently shared with my shift keys. i was, and still am, solving my d problem by copypasta'ing, but i won't be solving my shift key problem as easily. i think it's time to go buy a usb keyboard. -insert ugh smiley here since shift keys don't work to make a colon-
clearly, i can and will still be making my posts. it will just take me a bit longer.
anyway-
Dawn
well, there's still 23 of you. Ivalset was killed by the vampires, and Two was resurrected by the Priest, whose name i cannot disclose because it was a private res.
Day 3
you know what happens this phase.
deadline for this phase will be 8 pm est on tuesday, july 13th, which gives you [i]4 days[/b].
now, i am off to try to borrow somebody's usb keyboard because all-lowercase except for what i choose to copypasta is driving me insane.
clearly, i can and will still be making my posts. it will just take me a bit longer.
anyway-
Dawn
well, there's still 23 of you. Ivalset was killed by the vampires, and Two was resurrected by the Priest, whose name i cannot disclose because it was a private res.
Day 3
you know what happens this phase.
deadline for this phase will be 8 pm est on tuesday, july 13th, which gives you [i]4 days[/b].
now, i am off to try to borrow somebody's usb keyboard because all-lowercase except for what i choose to copypasta is driving me insane.
Hi everyone ^_______^
Since I'm alive again, I'd like to elaborate on what I said in irc about it being likely that Rolled is a wolf.
Let's start with our 3 way msn conversation (Chris, Rolled, me). Rolled proposed that, to stop the random votes/get people to talk (I forget which if it's not both), the three of us all vote for someone within 1 second of each other. Chris said okay, but only if he got to pick who. Chris chose whoatefred, I forget what his reason was but we didn't argue and all voted for him.
Here is why that makes Rolled likely to be a wolf:
1. If Chris named a wolf, I believe he would either have given a bs reason to not vote for them or he would have changed his vote before the end of day 1, despite his computer problems (as they were easily circumvented via ps3).
2. What does a wolf want to do day 1? Inflate human vote numbers without leaving a wolf trail. What better way to do that than by manipulating humans into voting?
3. Even though it was supposed to be a fake/joke vote, he never changed his vote off of whoatefred, when he did have the ability to do so.
Then there is the hugely incriminating fact that I died night 1:
1. As you saw on the wolf forum last game, Rolled is bad at picking night targets that benefit wolves long-term. He initially wanted me to die night 1 that game, and then when it became obvious that NoHitter was the insomniac, wanted me dead night 2. Why did my death not benefit wolves long-term this game? Because, like last game, it made no sense to night kill someone who could so easily be lynched; they wasted their night kill. I intentionally said things that were beyond what I normally would say in hopes that the wolves would keep me alive.
Then there is the fact that I was the psychic. You would think, why is this bad for the wolves long-term? Kill the psychic fast and he will scan less people. That's true, but by killing me you enabled me to confirm a small group of humans extremely early in the game (wojjan, chris, strager, matthewtck), increasing the odds of lynching a wolf.
2. I was the psychic. In msn I refused to roleclaim to both Rolled and Chris, which I have never done before. Chris was suspicious of this but Rolled said that it made sense since they both were wolves last game. I don't buy this for a second. I think it's very likely that he thought I was an aux and sniffed me/had me sniffed. Once the wolves knew I was the psychic, it made no sense for them to not kill me.
Finally, on day 2, after I had posted numerous times about why wojjan and matthewtck couldn't be wolves, Rolled voted for matthewtck. Not only did he vote for him, but he never once commented on my reasoning, despite definitely having read it. This is because by commenting on it, he would be bringing it to everyone's attention again. If no one talks about it, it basically gets swept under the rug.
So, since I have another scan as I die tonight, I would like to reduce the chance of wasting it on a human. If you are the priest who resurrected me, or the coroner who knows for sure that I am the psychic, please PM me. I can also act as your proxy today and give the information on who died, since I am going to die anyway. I can understand the priest's reservations about revealing who they are if they choose not to, but you did have enough faith in me to use your one resurrection, so it would be wonderful if you did.
With that wall of text said, vote Rolled
Since I'm alive again, I'd like to elaborate on what I said in irc about it being likely that Rolled is a wolf.
Let's start with our 3 way msn conversation (Chris, Rolled, me). Rolled proposed that, to stop the random votes/get people to talk (I forget which if it's not both), the three of us all vote for someone within 1 second of each other. Chris said okay, but only if he got to pick who. Chris chose whoatefred, I forget what his reason was but we didn't argue and all voted for him.
Here is why that makes Rolled likely to be a wolf:
1. If Chris named a wolf, I believe he would either have given a bs reason to not vote for them or he would have changed his vote before the end of day 1, despite his computer problems (as they were easily circumvented via ps3).
2. What does a wolf want to do day 1? Inflate human vote numbers without leaving a wolf trail. What better way to do that than by manipulating humans into voting?
3. Even though it was supposed to be a fake/joke vote, he never changed his vote off of whoatefred, when he did have the ability to do so.
Then there is the hugely incriminating fact that I died night 1:
1. As you saw on the wolf forum last game, Rolled is bad at picking night targets that benefit wolves long-term. He initially wanted me to die night 1 that game, and then when it became obvious that NoHitter was the insomniac, wanted me dead night 2. Why did my death not benefit wolves long-term this game? Because, like last game, it made no sense to night kill someone who could so easily be lynched; they wasted their night kill. I intentionally said things that were beyond what I normally would say in hopes that the wolves would keep me alive.
Then there is the fact that I was the psychic. You would think, why is this bad for the wolves long-term? Kill the psychic fast and he will scan less people. That's true, but by killing me you enabled me to confirm a small group of humans extremely early in the game (wojjan, chris, strager, matthewtck), increasing the odds of lynching a wolf.
2. I was the psychic. In msn I refused to roleclaim to both Rolled and Chris, which I have never done before. Chris was suspicious of this but Rolled said that it made sense since they both were wolves last game. I don't buy this for a second. I think it's very likely that he thought I was an aux and sniffed me/had me sniffed. Once the wolves knew I was the psychic, it made no sense for them to not kill me.
Finally, on day 2, after I had posted numerous times about why wojjan and matthewtck couldn't be wolves, Rolled voted for matthewtck. Not only did he vote for him, but he never once commented on my reasoning, despite definitely having read it. This is because by commenting on it, he would be bringing it to everyone's attention again. If no one talks about it, it basically gets swept under the rug.
So, since I have another scan as I die tonight, I would like to reduce the chance of wasting it on a human. If you are the priest who resurrected me, or the coroner who knows for sure that I am the psychic, please PM me. I can also act as your proxy today and give the information on who died, since I am going to die anyway. I can understand the priest's reservations about revealing who they are if they choose not to, but you did have enough faith in me to use your one resurrection, so it would be wonderful if you did.
With that wall of text said, vote Rolled
Okay so
It turns out DeathxShinigami was the Coroner, according to 0_o.
In any case, here are the people who seem the most suspicious to me (in order from most to least suspicious):
-Rolled. There's more than enough evidence against him in my opinion, mainly in this post and Two's post.
-Todesengal. She tried to stop people from killing other people, which you need to do to figure out who is who. Also, she hasn't contributed that much.
-Wojjan and 0_o: I'm getting bad vibes of sorts from the both of them. Plus, they both tried to kill someone on Day 1, making up semi-valid reasons when there really wasn't that much evidence, perhaps trying to get innocent people killed off.
-DJ KRZY: Doesn't seem to be contributing that much, and overall just seems suspicious for some reason.
-adam2046, nardi1011, I_Tatsuo_I, dkun, and Zerostarry. I'd say that at least one of these is a Wolf, since they all seem to be semi-blending in while not being too active (and Zerostarry just made one post with only his vote and left). It just seems like they're staying under the radar, though I suppose it's just those bad vibes again and there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence against them.
As such, I vote Rolled.
It turns out DeathxShinigami was the Coroner, according to 0_o.
<faceguy> oh btw, I talked to DxS the other day and he was the coroner
<faceguy> he said he was "taking a hit for someone else"
<faceguy> and other things that made no sense
In any case, here are the people who seem the most suspicious to me (in order from most to least suspicious):
-Rolled. There's more than enough evidence against him in my opinion, mainly in this post and Two's post.
-Todesengal. She tried to stop people from killing other people, which you need to do to figure out who is who. Also, she hasn't contributed that much.
-Wojjan and 0_o: I'm getting bad vibes of sorts from the both of them. Plus, they both tried to kill someone on Day 1, making up semi-valid reasons when there really wasn't that much evidence, perhaps trying to get innocent people killed off.
-DJ KRZY: Doesn't seem to be contributing that much, and overall just seems suspicious for some reason.
-adam2046, nardi1011, I_Tatsuo_I, dkun, and Zerostarry. I'd say that at least one of these is a Wolf, since they all seem to be semi-blending in while not being too active (and Zerostarry just made one post with only his vote and left). It just seems like they're staying under the radar, though I suppose it's just those bad vibes again and there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence against them.
As such, I vote Rolled.
pieguy1372 wrote:
-DJ KRZY: Doesn't seem to be contributing that much, and overall just seems suspicious for some reason.
that hurts.
Why the hell did you just out the coroner? Ugh. Rolled would be my ideal lynch candidate for today, but I would like to hear from him.
He didn't.DiamondCrash wrote:
Why the hell did you just out the coroner? Ugh. Rolled would be my ideal lynch candidate for today, but I would like to hear from him.
0_o was the one who said it. You also seem pretty certain that Dex is the coroner.
Sorry, I didn't intend that statement to be hurtful. What I meant was that you've mainly contributed things that agree with the overall direction of things.I said the thing about the DxS because, based on our conversation, it seemed to me like he was a wolf trying to cause chaos. I was trying to say "hey guys, I think we hit a wolf."
Also, DxS said that he was the coroner publicly in IRC shortly before he was lynched:
-You think we are suspicious because we find a semi-valid reason to vote for someone? Semi-valid is pretty much as good as it gets on Day 1 without aux powers to back anyone up. Even on Day 2 there wasn't that much to go on.
-It seems strange to me that you find Wojjan and I suspicious for the same reasons when I've been gunning for Wojjan this entire time. You can pretty much bet that both of us aren't wolves.
-If you find Wojjan suspicious, why is it suspicious of me to vote for him?
Also, DxS said that he was the coroner publicly in IRC shortly before he was lynched:
[2010-07-07 18:37:56] <DxS|IRC> But without me you guys can't figure out rolesSeeing as the only two roles that can figure out roles are Coroner and Psychic, and we already know Two is the Psychic, I really wasn't revealing anything here.
I see several things wrong here.pieguy wrote:
-Wojjan and 0_o: I'm getting bad vibes of sorts from the both of them. Plus, they both tried to kill someone on Day 1, making up semi-valid reasons when there really wasn't that much evidence, perhaps trying to get innocent people killed off.
-You think we are suspicious because we find a semi-valid reason to vote for someone? Semi-valid is pretty much as good as it gets on Day 1 without aux powers to back anyone up. Even on Day 2 there wasn't that much to go on.
-It seems strange to me that you find Wojjan and I suspicious for the same reasons when I've been gunning for Wojjan this entire time. You can pretty much bet that both of us aren't wolves.
-If you find Wojjan suspicious, why is it suspicious of me to vote for him?
much as you'd like to try you're not very good at huge walls of suspicion text like Two
You're accusing half that list because they 'don't contribute' much or they lurk. That kinda falls flat when you haven't said anything almost the whole fucking game other than the occasional vote and 'idunnomaybethey'rewolfimsuspiciouskinda'. I mean shit, adam and tatsuo have been more active than you, so how does that 'not contributing' factor work out on you?
Why do I get the feeling you're trying to point a shitstorm of fingers so maybe people don't think you're a wolf because 'hey I've been inactive pretty much the whole game but now I'm suddenly going to make this huge post which hopefully looks logical'?
herfderf contradictory much? I'm suspicious for what I contributed but oh wait I haven't contributed much. And the bolded clause is quite possibly one of the dumbest things I've read in this game.pieguy1372 wrote:
-Todesengal. She tried to stop people from killing other people, which you need to do to figure out who is who. Also, she hasn't contributed that much.
You're accusing half that list because they 'don't contribute' much or they lurk. That kinda falls flat when you haven't said anything almost the whole fucking game other than the occasional vote and 'idunnomaybethey'rewolfimsuspiciouskinda'. I mean shit, adam and tatsuo have been more active than you, so how does that 'not contributing' factor work out on you?
herfderf as opposed to you the trailblazer?pieguy1372 wrote:
:( Sorry, I didn't intend that statement to be hurtful. What I meant was that you've mainly contributed things that agree with the overall direction of things.
Why do I get the feeling you're trying to point a shitstorm of fingers so maybe people don't think you're a wolf because 'hey I've been inactive pretty much the whole game but now I'm suddenly going to make this huge post which hopefully looks logical'?
IF DxS is the coroner, why the hell is he being so fucking cryptic? What's the point, you're pro-town (I assume) and you're DEAD. In fact, it was the thing that got you killed. You're not "mysterious" by saying "You shouldn't have done/do that, I'm important 
", just say "Hey guys I'm the coroner and you're stupid" and you would've at least had a chance of survival.
So what's more likely, DxS is:
a) stupid
b) an asshole
c) a wolf
(pick two at most)
", just say "Hey guys I'm the coroner and you're stupid" and you would've at least had a chance of survival.So what's more likely, DxS is:
a) stupid
b) an asshole
c) a wolf
(pick two at most)
Tell me something, pieguy.
Are you a Civilian?
Are you a Civilian?
Hey wait a sec.
Accusing Tode:
EDIT: It has just come to my attention that in IRC I said "I talked to DxS the other day and he was the coroner." I actually meant to say "he says" he was the coroner. I didn't notice this until it was pointed out just now. So for the record, "DxS is the coroner" is not the position I have at this time.
EDIT: Fixed missing quote mark
Accusing Tode:
Accusing me:pieguy wrote:
She tried to stop people from killing other people, which you need to do to figure out who is who.
You went from "pointing fingers is good" to "pointing fingers is bad" within a line. Which is it?pieguy wrote:
[...] tried to kill someone on Day 1, making up semi-valid reasons when there really wasn't that much evidence, perhaps trying to get innocent people killed off.
EDIT: It has just come to my attention that in IRC I said "I talked to DxS the other day and he was the coroner." I actually meant to say "he says" he was the coroner. I didn't notice this until it was pointed out just now. So for the record, "DxS is the coroner" is not the position I have at this time.
EDIT: Fixed missing quote mark
ilu2Two wrote:
That's true, but by killing me you enabled me to confirm a small group of humans extremely early in the game (wojjan, chris, strager, matthewtck)
and while we're all bashing pieguy for his suspicions - with reason, mind you - let's also note there is some merit to what he said about some people. For instance:
Rolled has been acting very very strange this game, and if it is that blatant to the untrained eye of a newbie - no offense - it must mean something's up. I've recently read through WWG4 (mostly to get a handle on Blackthorne) and what Two said is true, there is a repeating pattern in both roles and strategies.pieguy1372 wrote:
-Rolled. There's more than enough evidence against him in my opinion, mainly in this post and Two's post.
-adam2046, nardi1011, I_Tatsuo_I, dkun, and Zerostarry. I'd say that at least one of these is a Wolf, since they all seem to be semi-blending in while not being too active (and Zerostarry just made one post with only his vote and left). It just seems like they're staying under the radar, though I suppose it's just those bad vibes again and there doesn't seem to be any hard evidence against them.
As for the slew of Miss Vampire 2010 nominations in the second part I quoted: There are enough people not acting at all, even when confronted with the heap of evidence about. Especially nardi and Zerostarry strike me as odd. nardi I've already covered in a previous post somewhere in Day 2, and zerostarry indeed has only made one post, while always being on IRC when I arrive. There's enough going down to cast a vote, and set up an entire suspicion list already, why are you all not acting?
However pieguy, if you want to stay safe, it's best not to post garbage reasoning like that against Tode again. It seems as though you're incrimating someone against all odds wink wink nudge nudge faceman.
yeah cuz Tode will fuck your shit up rargh
/flex
edit: fuck it I was waiting to see if Rolled would claw his way back onto osu to at least try to refute some of the accusations but it seems either he can't or doesn't care enough to try. vote: Rolled
/flex
edit: fuck it I was waiting to see if Rolled would claw his way back onto osu to at least try to refute some of the accusations but it seems either he can't or doesn't care enough to try. vote: Rolled
SPOILER
you got a point there...and since you clear my name...Two wrote:
Hi everyone ^_______^
Since I'm alive again, I'd like to elaborate on what I said in irc about it being likely that Rolled is a wolf.
Let's start with our 3 way msn conversation (Chris, Rolled, me). Rolled proposed that, to stop the random votes/get people to talk (I forget which if it's not both), the three of us all vote for someone within 1 second of each other. Chris said okay, but only if he got to pick who. Chris chose whoatefred, I forget what his reason was but we didn't argue and all voted for him.
Here is why that makes Rolled likely to be a wolf:
1. If Chris named a wolf, I believe he would either have given a bs reason to not vote for them or he would have changed his vote before the end of day 1, despite his computer problems (as they were easily circumvented via ps3).
2. What does a wolf want to do day 1? Inflate human vote numbers without leaving a wolf trail. What better way to do that than by manipulating humans into voting?
3. Even though it was supposed to be a fake/joke vote, he never changed his vote off of whoatefred, when he did have the ability to do so.
Then there is the hugely incriminating fact that I died night 1:
1. As you saw on the wolf forum last game, Rolled is bad at picking night targets that benefit wolves long-term. He initially wanted me to die night 1 that game, and then when it became obvious that NoHitter was the insomniac, wanted me dead night 2. Why did my death not benefit wolves long-term this game? Because, like last game, it made no sense to night kill someone who could so easily be lynched; they wasted their night kill. I intentionally said things that were beyond what I normally would say in hopes that the wolves would keep me alive.
Then there is the fact that I was the psychic. You would think, why is this bad for the wolves long-term? Kill the psychic fast and he will scan less people. That's true, but by killing me you enabled me to confirm a small group of humans extremely early in the game (wojjan, chris, strager, matthewtck), increasing the odds of lynching a wolf.
2. I was the psychic. In msn I refused to roleclaim to both Rolled and Chris, which I have never done before. Chris was suspicious of this but Rolled said that it made sense since they both were wolves last game. I don't buy this for a second. I think it's very likely that he thought I was an aux and sniffed me/had me sniffed. Once the wolves knew I was the psychic, it made no sense for them to not kill me.
Finally, on day 2, after I had posted numerous times about why wojjan and matthewtck couldn't be wolves, Rolled voted for matthewtck. Not only did he vote for him, but he never once commented on my reasoning, despite definitely having read it. This is because by commenting on it, he would be bringing it to everyone's attention again. If no one talks about it, it basically gets swept under the rug.
So, since I have another scan as I die tonight, I would like to reduce the chance of wasting it on a human. If you are the priest who resurrected me, or the coroner who knows for sure that I am the psychic, please PM me. I can also act as your proxy today and give the information on who died, since I am going to die anyway. I can understand the priest's reservations about revealing who they are if they choose not to, but you did have enough faith in me to use your one resurrection, so it would be wonderful if you did.
With that wall of text said, vote Rolled
VOTE Rolled
Are we going to finally lynch a wolf this game, then?
Also, I haven't heard from the priest or coroner, so I guess it's safe to assume that the priest really doesn't want me to know them and the coroner was dxs.
Also, I haven't heard from the priest or coroner, so I guess it's safe to assume that the priest really doesn't want me to know them and the coroner was dxs.
tbqh, I'm still not convinced that Two is our psychic.
B-but he said I was town!Derekku Chan wrote:
tbqh, I'm still not convinced that Two is our psychic.
I thought it was said in a private chat with pieguy, sorry.adam2046 wrote:
0_o was the one who said it.
I have no reason to doubt what either 0_o or DxS says.adam2046 wrote:
You also seem pretty certain that Dex is the coroner.
Shit hasn't happened. Vote: Rolled.DiamondCrash wrote:
Rolled would be my ideal lynch candidate for today, but I would like to hear from him.
Again, I don't believe that Two is the psychic. I know I'm going off on a limb here, but suppose for a moment that Two is a wolf/vampire.
*Wolves kill one of their own (Two) on night 1 (something that hasn't been done before, but is VERY possible and getting more and more likely every game)
*Two claims psychic and magically confirms multiple people (i.e., his wolf buddies)
*Priest believes that Two is pro-town and revives him to get more names
*Two leads everyone off a cliff by making them vote for whoever he wants them to. (Yes, Two is sometimes like this, but I think that this is getting a bit out of hand)
*Even if Two gets killed again on night 3, that still wouldn't prove that he's pro-town since the wolves would be getting their kills from Two's hit list.
If this is really true, then think how easily the wolves will win. I believed for a while that Two was the psychic, but getting everyone to vote under his command, trying to coax me via PM with a list of confirmed humans, etc. is really making me believe otherwise.
I'd vote for Two right now, but since he should be getting NK'd tonight, our lynch vote would be better on someone else. (i.e., scum)
*Wolves kill one of their own (Two) on night 1 (something that hasn't been done before, but is VERY possible and getting more and more likely every game)
*Two claims psychic and magically confirms multiple people (i.e., his wolf buddies)
*Priest believes that Two is pro-town and revives him to get more names
*Two leads everyone off a cliff by making them vote for whoever he wants them to. (Yes, Two is sometimes like this, but I think that this is getting a bit out of hand)
*Even if Two gets killed again on night 3, that still wouldn't prove that he's pro-town since the wolves would be getting their kills from Two's hit list.
If this is really true, then think how easily the wolves will win. I believed for a while that Two was the psychic, but getting everyone to vote under his command, trying to coax me via PM with a list of confirmed humans, etc. is really making me believe otherwise.
I'd vote for Two right now, but since he should be getting NK'd tonight, our lynch vote would be better on someone else. (i.e., scum)
I have also considered the possibility that Two is a vampire, but here's the thing: nobody has counterclaimed Psychic. Two is probably the most trusted player in the game right now - if he's not the Psychic then the real one certainly would have spoke up by now.
Possible, or there could be no psychic at all (though that's unlikely in a big game like this). Also, what if there are two psychics? (I can't remember if A<3 said if that was possible or not though)0_o wrote:
if he's not the Psychic then the real one certainly would have spoke up by now.
Again, this is just all speculation, and the main reason I'm bringing it up is due to Two's near-scummy way of getting people to vote.
Your plan/idea is flawed, Derekku.
For one:
Two:
You also imply in that statement that Two is not scum, even though most of the rest of your post is trying to support the idea that Two is perhaps scum. Freudian slip which I'll follow with a vote.
Vote: Derekku Chan
For one:
I'm not a wolf, nor a vampire.Derekku Chan wrote:
*Two claims psychic and magically confirms multiple people (i.e., his wolf buddies)
Two:
If you think he isn't Psychic, why would you assume he's going to be NK'd? You know that's WIFOM.Derekku Chan wrote:
I'd vote for Two right now, but since he should be getting NK'd tonight, our lynch vote would be better on someone else. (i.e., scum)
You also imply in that statement that Two is not scum, even though most of the rest of your post is trying to support the idea that Two is perhaps scum. Freudian slip which I'll follow with a vote.
Vote: Derekku Chan
Well, after reading what Two said, I guess I got no other choice bu to Vote:Rolled