Okay then. I'll take all that into account. The quick replies were appreciated.
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Trust me, the only way to be bad at osu is if you spam maps way harder than you can play. It's good you've taken the board's advice to heart.
First time I hear you saying what I would say and not talking about acc.Mahoganytooth wrote:
No. From the sounds of it you shouldn't be playing hards either.Android34 wrote:
For a player who isn't even a month old, should I even be touching them?
osu! focuses on getting full combos with an S rank. Most of your top plays are Bs, which is pathetic.
You should be playing the hardest maps you can consistently Full Combo, not the hardest maps you can pass.
FC gives you most of the pp (Except at high od). Acc lets you squeeze the map dry.
It's hard to acc well on hard maps. It actually gets easier to acc once you start getting into medium insanes and such because you can keep a steady singletapping motion going.
Learning acc is something you can do later, just don't let it fall too low
Learning acc is something you can do later, just don't let it fall too low
Keep in mind that you should generally be moving up in star increments(2.8,2.9,3.0,3.1,3.2....), not named difficulty increments(hard, insane, etc). There are plenty of 'hard' songs that are much harder than 'insane' ones so the categorization is not perfect and is also very wide in range.
I think that the diff spread for easy/normal/hard is too close together. I'd like to see hards = 3.5-4.5 and insane being 4.5-5.5 etc, but that's just my opinion.pandaBee wrote:
Keep in mind that you should generally be moving up in star increments, not named difficulty increments.
ok let's be honestpandaBee wrote:
Keep in mind that you should generally be moving up in star increments(2.8,2.9,3.0,3.1,3.2....), not named difficulty increments(hard, insane, etc).
how many of you did ^
i know i didn't
To you maybe. To a beginner it's certainly not. Easy is stuff you play when you first start out and have no idea what you're doing. It's where you learn how to click on time with the approach circles. Normal is where you get introduced to very simple patterns and the AR tends to get higher as well. Hard is osu basics 101. Insane is like intermediate.Kheldragar wrote:
I think that the diff spread for easy/normal/hard is too close together. I'd like to see hards = 3.5-4.5 and insane being 4.5-5.5 etc, but that's just my opinion.
I just used Tillerino to check pp values for an fc and moved my diff standards up because I have a rough estimate of what pp values gives me a good amount of ranks.Faces3 wrote:
ok let's be honestpandaBee wrote:
Keep in mind that you should generally be moving up in star increments(2.8,2.9,3.0,3.1,3.2....), not named difficulty increments(hard, insane, etc).
how many of you did ^
i know i didn't
I don't want to call insane intermediate; insane should be insane. Hard should be intermediate because they're, well, "hard."pandaBee wrote:
To you maybe. To a beginner it's certainly not. Easy is stuff you play when you first start out and have no idea what you're doing. It's where you learn how to click on time with the approach circles. Normal is where you get introduced to very simple patterns and the AR tends to get higher as well. Hard is osu basics 101. Insane is like intermediate.Kheldragar wrote:
I think that the diff spread for easy/normal/hard is too close together. I'd like to see hards = 3.5-4.5 and insane being 4.5-5.5 etc, but that's just my opinion.
Of course there are also some insanes that are like 5.5 stars, but most diffs there have their own special name or are called extra/another
Well sure. Honestly star ranges are a better description anyways, since they're continuous and not strictly discrete categorizations.Kheldragar wrote:
I don't want to call insane intermediate; insane should be insane. Hard should be intermediate because they're, well, "hard."
Of course there are also some insanes that are like 5.5 stars, but most diffs there have their own special name or are called extra/another
It would probably be something like
<3 = beginner/novice
3-3.65 = Advanced novice
3.65-4.3 = Intermediate
4.3-4.8ish = Advanced
etc. etc.
Reread my ninja edit.Faces3 wrote:
what am i looking at here
I don't bother with difficulty names either, it's just annoying when I ask someone what they play and they give me not an actual star value, but a diff name without knowing the star range. I don't know what star your fucking hard is. Is that 2? 3?pandaBee wrote:
Well sure. Honestly star ranges are a better description anyways, since they're continuous and not strictly discrete categorizations.Kheldragar wrote:
I don't want to call insane intermediate; insane should be insane. Hard should be intermediate because they're, well, "hard."
Of course there are also some insanes that are like 5.5 stars, but most diffs there have their own special name or are called extra/another
I'm still curious why when you group things by difficulty it says 4 stars is 3.5-4.49; why not 4.00-4.99?
<2 = Beginner/novice EasypandaBee wrote:
<3 = beginner/novice
3-3.65 = Advanced novice
3.65-4.3 = Intermediate
4.3-4.8ish = Advanced
etc. etc.
<3.5 = Advanced Novice Normal
3.5 - 4.5 = Intermediate Hard
4.5 - 5.25 = Advanced Insane
5.25 - 5.75 = expert Extra
5.75+ = <I can't think of a good name>
They center it around the median/mean i.e. they take the midpoint of the range.Kheldragar wrote:
I'm still curious why when you group things by difficulty it says 4 stars is 3.5-4.49; why not 4.00-4.99?
stars don't take into account pattern or tapping complexity though, difficulty is subjective
Well if you really wanna get used to the AR of insane maps, you can HR normals. Imo anyone can still read the notes of HR normals. The average AR of insane maps is 9, meaning that the time between the moment that a note appears and the moment when you actually have to click it is exactly one second. Until you can manage AR 8 with high acc, don't attempt AR 9s.
AR9 is 600 ms, not 1,000 iirc.
ZenithPhantasm
Wasn´t this a bit too much? lol.Mahoganytooth wrote:
osu! focuses on getting full combos with an S rank. Most of your top plays are Bs, which is pathetic.
Anyway, its not bad to eventually try harder maps than what your capabilities are and "mash" once in a while. The bad thing is to make it a habit, and be constantly trying to play things you cannot handle, read, or whatever.
You should folow three rules for an all round improvement and not messing up your reading.
1) Play maps you are well acquainted with and try to Full combo (FC) them, in a reasonable amount of retrys ( if not, move on)
2) Play maps Above your level, which you know you cannot full combo but still are able to pass with decent comfort.
3) Move between ars ( 8, 9 and 10) don´t get stuck constantly on one, and go back to old scores to improve them.
Folowing these and be balanced in how much time you spend on each point, will equal in a balanced playing style. Meaning you won´t only be able to play for instance, DT ar8 maps, but also nomod maps with hard patterns, or a high density map. GL!!
Kouya-
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Rip english ough it might hurt your eyes.
The worst thing you can do is moving to insane maps without "clear" hard's with Ss and 95%+ accuracy. I'm talking it based on myself.
I started playing osu! because of my friend who played osu for 1 year, and with him I started insane maps ignoring easier. It was really hard but after few days I could pass 4.2 star maps and it was amazing feeling. Based on that feeling I wanted to be faster and better so I started with 4.5-5.2 star maps. I was really proud of myself playing really hard maps after few weeks but... lack fundamentals is visible now. Every jumps are too hard for me. I can't do easy insane maps at 92%+, even hard's are too hard to Fc - Gettin' faster and "better" is no worth to ignore your mental and muscle memory limits.
As you can see reading this post (ofc if you know what I mean
) - the worst thing is ignore basics.
The worst thing you can do is moving to insane maps without "clear" hard's with Ss and 95%+ accuracy. I'm talking it based on myself.
I started playing osu! because of my friend who played osu for 1 year, and with him I started insane maps ignoring easier. It was really hard but after few days I could pass 4.2 star maps and it was amazing feeling. Based on that feeling I wanted to be faster and better so I started with 4.5-5.2 star maps. I was really proud of myself playing really hard maps after few weeks but... lack fundamentals is visible now. Every jumps are too hard for me. I can't do easy insane maps at 92%+, even hard's are too hard to Fc - Gettin' faster and "better" is no worth to ignore your mental and muscle memory limits.
As you can see reading this post (ofc if you know what I mean
) - the worst thing is ignore basics.No, I'm just horribly blunt and say stuff plainly.Ichi wrote:
Wasn´t this a bit too much? lol.Mahoganytooth wrote:
osu! focuses on getting full combos with an S rank. Most of your top plays are Bs, which is pathetic.
Might be why I make a lot of enemies on forums
I played ar8 maps regardless of its difficulty and grew up on that. Only use NF if the song you're trying to beat has a choke point. Pass first insane 2 weeks of playing osu, fc first insane 4 weeks of osu.
Calling other player's top scores pathetic is being neither blunt or plain. It is being disrespectful.Mahoganytooth wrote:
No, I'm just horribly blunt and say stuff plainly.
A 20pp A rank is pathetic and gets no respect.KukiMonster wrote:
I played ar8 maps regardless of its difficulty and grew up on that. Only use NF if the song you're trying to beat has a choke point. Pass first insane 2 weeks of playing osu, fc first insane 4 weeks of osu.Calling other player's top scores pathetic is being neither blunt or plain. It is being disrespectful.Mahoganytooth wrote:
No, I'm just horribly blunt and say stuff plainly.
I don't see anything respectable about keyboard face mashing on songs far too tough for OPKukiMonster wrote:
Calling other player's top scores pathetic is being neither blunt or plain. It is being disrespectful.Mahoganytooth wrote:
No, I'm just horribly blunt and say stuff plainly.
OP is not asking for respect, nor did I say you should praise his scores. He is simply seeking advice and he didn't ask in a rude way.Kheldragar wrote:
A 20pp A rank is pathetic and gets no respect.
Looking at your top ranks, your accuracy isn't that good. Keep playing Hard songs until you can get 98 %+ accuracy on them, and definitely try to Full Combo them (meaning that you don't miss a single note). Once you're at that point you can move on to Insane, but even then it takes practice and practice - and you need to play a lot more. Don't move too fast for yourself, keep playing till you're comfortable and then make an effort to reach beyond your comfort zone.Android34 wrote:
Probably a very common topic here.
Okay so I've been playing osu! for less than a month now. I can complete the Hard level maps at my current stage, with a few exceptional hard ones though. So I've been trying out the Insane maps for a couple of days, with the No-Fail mod duh. I'm practicing on certain maps with this mod to learn to cope with the speed.
The gap from Hard to Insane is immense. Can't seem to complete a single one without the mod. For a player who isn't even a month old, should I even be touching them? It does feel easier to complete the Hard level maps after practicing on the Insane ones.
How long did it exactly take you guys to learn to complete Insane maps? Also, a bunch of tips would be really appreciated.