Kunino Sagiri wrote:

I suck at maps that asks me to snap too quickly between notes to maintain a single combo like maps of Guy jonathanflj Tari Fycho etc.

So I just play their maps or any kind of fast paced jump maps. Prolly spent 75k-100k playcount offline already but I just can't FC any of their maps. Jumps are literally 3x harder than streaming

You have more plays than pretty much anyone in the top50. Stop retrying and stop playing fast jump maps, it obviously isn't working.

Or rather stop retrying fast jump maps and just play through them.

woqx wrote:

Stop retrying and stop playing fast jump maps, it obviously isn't working.

Nah, I play things once-twice then move on unless I finished all the maps I had and I have to start at the beginning of my maps again. And I play literally every kind of jump maps (slow-fast 4*-7*s) but it's just useless

Holy shit your May 2012

o wow a good thread for once

RaneFire wrote:

On a serious note: I used to be terrible at streams, that's why I made a stream list and practiced them incessantly, turning it into my strength. Pretty sure that's how you do it... practice your weaknesses. I didn't focus on other aspects as much, so they are my weaknesses.

I actually downloaded all of your practice maps until like 200bpm. I do practice them, but like I said, when I make effort to purely practice streams for some time it quickly starts to feel like a big chore so I can't find motivation to continuing practising. However I still practise a bit, mostly by playing maps that I like that happen to be streamy (for example that new Grimoire of Alice map <3), and my streaming is slowly getting better. -Although it's extremely inconsistent and completely different on a day to day basis; some days I can stream OK, but other days it's I can't combo through stream for my life.

So my conclusion from this is to get good at something like streaming requires a combination of practising said thing- but not to the point that it's a chore as the training will cease being beneficial. So you should also do a whole lot more 'playing more' and doing stuff that you enjoy.

woqx wrote:

Weaknesses:
Can't go fast -> Stopped caring about speed
Can't stream consistently -> Playing a few streamy low BPM maps every day, slowly improving
Can't read low AR -> Playing a few low AR maps every day, slowly improving

Strengths:
My aim/consistency is good compared to how I'm doing at every other aspect of the game. It improved very fast when I stopped retrying and realized that you don't need jump maps, any map you miss on will help improve your aim. Playing maps until I FC them more than one day in a row also helps with the consistency I guess. Also noticed large jumps are easier when I look at the hitcircles instead of staring at the middle of my screen like an idiot. If the map is too fast for me to look at every single hitcircle, I usually stop playing it for a while until I feel like I can keep up.

I agree. I used to pretty much only play FCable maps because I wanted to be 'consistent', however I realised that playing fast/jumpy maps is essential to get better at aim and speed. Although I think a lot of people are at the opposite end of the spectrum and just spam through fast stuff way too much.

also forgot one of my weaknesses: not caring about acc and just playing for combo.

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

woqx wrote:

Stop retrying and stop playing fast jump maps, it obviously isn't working.

Nah, I play things once-twice then move on unless I finished all the maps I had and I have to start at the beginning of my maps again. And I play literally every kind of jump maps (slow-fast 4*-7*s) but it's just useless

I really think your problem is your peripheral; I used to use mouse or a long time but never got any better with it. Then I switched to tablet and the improvement was instantaneous. I would recommend you switch to tablet.

B1rd wrote:

also forgot one of my weaknesses: not caring about acc and just playing for combo.

I don't think that's a weakness; a lot of people seem to want to start with good acc on easy songs and then gradually increase the difficulty, but I like playing hard songs without caring about acc then going back to easier songs to improve acc.

That's probably because it's the lowest on my priorities of what to improve.

Kheldragar wrote:

B1rd wrote:

also forgot one of my weaknesses: not caring about acc and just playing for combo.

I don't think that's a weakness; a lot of people seem to want to start with good acc on easy songs and then gradually increase the difficulty, but I like playing hard songs without caring about acc then going back to easier songs to improve acc.

That's probably because it's the lowest on my priorities of what to improve.

This is true to a degree and what I do a lot, but from doing that I quickly got finger mashing habits and ended up not being able to FC through streams no matter how hard I tried. So you should never ignore acc completely.

just gonna make a new post for the sake of readability

weaknesses

1. Accuracy in general; complete lack of sense of rhythm (200 unstable on offset wizard map l0l), I can't seem to get a grip on that one
-> honestly didnt really do much about that one yet since I usually end up getting frustrated over how no matter how hard i try i usually can't even get >95% on 4 star ar9 maps
1.1 Slow streams; due to lack of finger control (and probably other things i haven't figured out yet) any slow stream ends up being a row of 100s and 50s
-> played a ton of <170bpm stream maps for a couple days, went up from ~65% to ~80% accuracy on those, but ended up getting bored and decided that I'd just ignore that fact
1.2 Triples; I'm not even joking but every set of triples usually means at the very least 1x 100 for me, mostly because I habitually just mash zxz as soon as my eyes lay sight on these atrocities, usually ending up hitting either too early or too fast
-> i should probably learn to slow down a little, stop getting nervous about triples and learn zxz xzx, but i didn't really bother with it yet
2. Reading; I tend to get severely confused with certain patterns or lots of notes popping up at the same time, and end up going into a 3 second tilt where i literally don't do anything, usually ending up failing the map
-> started playing some hard to read maps +HT to get a grip, no results for nomod so far
3. Also +HD, holy I literally can't even pass a single map using hidden how do people even do that what are stacks
-> no

strengths

1. Aim; I feel like my aim has gotten fairly decent after playing lots of jump practice maps (at least I think that helped, but it sure did for far jumps, i used to suck at those), I can usually hold big combos on the first try of a song
2. Speed; not sure about that one but at least i feel like sonic the hedge when singletapping >260bpm dt maps
3. AR10 reading; pretty useless but sometimes i end up having better combos and/or accuracy on maps when playing +HR than I'm getting nomod, which probably resulted from playing lots of hard+HR maps for a few days when I got frustrated over my bad accuracy on regular ~4.5 stars

B1rd wrote:

This is true to a degree and what I do a lot, but from doing that I quickly got finger mashing habits and ended up not being able to FC through streams no matter how hard I tried. So you should never ignore acc completely.

What's your problem in streams? The only ones I can think of that come up for me (relating to comboing) are random 1x misses in the middle of a stream, missing at the very last note of a stream, and slider breaking on those streams that like to having sliders and back and forth sliders mixed into the middle of them.

Also everytime I'm about to fc a map for the first time and it has a death/mini-death stream I tend to lose a whole chunk of accuracy either from being too slow or from being too fast since it makes me extra nervous. I think I made a map go from 97% to 94% acc because it was only 180-190 bpm or something and I 100'd the entire last stream.

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

Nah, I play things once-twice then move on unless I finished all the maps I had and I have to start at the beginning of my maps again.

Look at your signature, it seems like you do retry quite a lot more than necessary.

woqx wrote:

Kunino Sagiri wrote:

Nah, I play things once-twice then move on unless I finished all the maps I had and I have to start at the beginning of my maps again.

Look at your signature, it seems like you do retry a lot.

That was me 2 years ago, not now especially when I can easily breeze through everything offline and simply not care.

What's the point of playing offline and only coming online "to set scores" or something?

Kheldragar wrote:

What's your problem in streams?

Streams just become a foreign concept to my fingers, become unable to do a normal streaming motion.

B1rd wrote:

I actually downloaded all of your practice maps until like 200bpm.

I had the same limitation. To play faster streams you need to push yourself more than you would think (...more than makes sense based on experience playing BPM's 120-200), but carefully. You won't have awesome finger control past 200bpm, because you never did. But as you play it more and push your limits, the foundations you have learnt for finger control will steer the improvements in speed you are trying to acquire, and you will regain that control and stability rather quickly (few months for me), because that is your underlying goal due to your technique (hopefully). But you need to develop those foundations and make them rock solid first. Considering you still have trouble with slower streams, you still have work to do. You can couple slow & fast practice together as well.

This is why starting out with mashing is such a bad habit, because it becomes your default when you push yourself. Focusing on technique first pays off in the long run, even if it feels like you don't see results for what seems like forever.

RaneFire wrote:

I had the same limitation.

Yeah I agree. I might have worded that wrongly though; I downloaded up to 200bpm for the sole reason of working on my slow bpm streaming technique before even bothering trying high bpm, like you advised.

Weakness: Aim
Approached by: Waving cursor around randomly whilst hoping to hit stuff.

Weakness: errrrr, streams fast pace Consecutive mini sliders that go back and fore(dunno which I hate the most really)

Approach to them: Streams: Playing them only for now til I puke out rhythm on my left hand
Mini sliders: err screw them for now..

My weakness is everything. I suck at everything. There is not a single thing i am good at in this game. I am probably one of the worst osu players in the world.

I'm struggling with adjusting my tablet settings to find a comfortable area and a corresponding style of holding/positioning my pen. Nothing seems to really click in even after extensive testing. I'm trying to remedy this by trying out different styles once in a while, getting accustomed to it and seeing if it's better than the previous one. I don't switch styles until I feel that I've hit a steep slope in terms of practiced required for improvement. In other words I plateau out, then dabble in something else for a while. Everything always feels uncomfortable for me so I'm constantly trying new things, though not so often as to ruin any chances of developing muscle memory. Cool thing is that there tends to be a lot of carry-over between styles, at least for me that is, so it's not as big of a deal as I would have imagined.

Ironically the only weakness i have complete control over is the fact that i play too much in one sitting. When you play too much I feel that it's counterproductive. You start getting bored/frustrated, your fingers and wrists are fatigued so they don't move as fluidly, your eyes are worn out from staring at flashing circles all day... It's a recipe for fostering mediocre plays and bad habits.

So I've pretty much started to force myself not to play osu once in a while. I feel like some kind of circle clicking addict. I just have to have my fix of clicking circles else I'll cut someone's head off. As I drift to sleep at night I can see hitcircles floating around in my vision and it's starting to make me feel a little strange about this game and about the state of my life. Thanks for reading my blog.

- What would you consider to be your major weaknesses? Fingers getting screwed on triplets? Slow streaming? Can't read ar10 for the hell of it?

Aim - A few hours of 'warming up' seems to unlock some FC potential but my aim is very inconsistent, I can't FC 5+ star maps (my first 5+ star FC was a 5.29 so I overshot a little, still I'm not really able to do it).

Streaming - I don't know if I have bad stamina or I'm just retarded and not able to use it to its full extent. With most physical exercises, I'm able to force myself to keep going to initial failure, but when it comes to streaming I'm lazy and have to stop before even feeling any pain. This, however, applies only to streams above 140-150BPM. Streams of up to 140BPM might not count, because the pain seems to eventually stop increasing.

Accuracy - I can't get good acc on very slow maps, very slow parts, or maps with huge gaps in the music/objects

I don't even know what is this - when I retry a map a 3-5 times, I start misreading it. Seemingly random, affects patterns that I haven't misread before. When I retry a map 20-300 times (enough to memorize it decently), I will start to always misread the same moments. I think this is how I can describe it. Miss on the same jump 3 times in a row ---> from now on, I will not attempt this jump, for I will proceed to wave my cursor around for a second like a retard instead.

AR10 - freezing on triples/stacks, makes my aim worse
CS4+ - please no
OD9.8-10 - 96% acc on practice maps, 92% acc on AR10 CS5.2
AR8 CS5 - Those in isolation are not a threat, but the combination is lethal.

- Have you attempted to fix them yet, and if so, how did you approach it and how successful have you been so far?

I just play everything I can and hope no skill falls behind

- How much effort are you putting into the issue? for ex. are you practicing 260bpm deathstreams 18 hours a day or are you just playing rog unlimitation once in a while to increase your streaming speed?

I always play osu, always clicking circles

- Things you used to be bad at, but eventually got better after doing x.

I used to get 160-200 unstable rate, but then I acknowledged the existence of accuracy and got to 80-120.

- Also feel free to talk about the aspects you consider to be your strengths

Accuracy to some extent - OD<9.666 is not a problem

PP farming - +~8 pp for getting one 100 less instead of having to FC something

Luck - not really able to FC 5 stars, FC on 5.29 first try. Not really able to consistently SS OD9, SS on OD9.67 first try.

Reading - It's not outstanding, but I have not allowed my reading to fall behind.

pandaBee wrote:

My weakness is everything. I suck at everything. There is not a single thing i am good at in this game. I am probably one of the worst osu players in the world.

I'm struggling with adjusting my tablet settings to find a comfortable area and a corresponding style of holding/positioning my pen. Nothing seems to really click in even after extensive testing. I'm trying to remedy this by trying out different styles once in a while, getting accustomed to it and seeing if it's better than the previous one. I don't switch styles until I feel that I've hit a steep slope in terms of practiced required for improvement. In other words I plateau out, then dabble in something else for a while. Everything always feels uncomfortable for me so I'm constantly trying new things, though not so often as to ruin any chances of developing muscle memory. Cool thing is that there tends to be a lot of carry-over between styles, at least for me that is, so it's not as big of a deal as I would have imagined.

Ironically the only weakness i have complete control over is the fact that i play too much in one sitting. When you play too much I feel that it's counterproductive. You start getting bored/frustrated, your fingers and wrists are fatigued so they don't move as fluidly, your eyes are worn out from staring at flashing circles all day... It's a recipe for fostering mediocre plays and bad habits.

So I've pretty much started to force myself not to play osu once in a while. I feel like some kind of circle clicking addict. I just have to have my fix of clicking circles else I'll cut someone's head off. As I drift to sleep at night I can see hitcircles floating around in my vision and it's starting to make me feel a little strange about this game and about the state of my life. Thanks for reading my blog.

i'm literally doing the exact same things from start to end

my brain seems to start playing the game as soon as im about to fall asleep, sometimes i even recall dreaming about clicking circles which results in waking up with an awkward dissatisfaction about not performing well on a map that I haven't even actually played in real life

thats kind of how the brain works i guess but it feels really weird sometimes

Weakness: High BPM
Approach: Avoid like the plague

What should i say?

My weakness is too many of them.

Like slow and poor aim streaming(and i suddenly hold one of the keys for no reason, during stream) , can't read AR10, hitting triple as doubles, always screw up the notes after multiples

I usually play the map only few times in order to not getting false muscle memory

idkfa lolz wrote:

my brain seems to start playing the game as soon as im about to fall asleep, sometimes i even recall dreaming about clicking circles which results in waking up with an awkward dissatisfaction about not performing well on a map that I haven't even actually played in real life

thats kind of how the brain works i guess but it feels really weird sometimes

Welcome to the club.

Weakness: osu!
Approach: Play more

[ Momiji ] wrote:

Accuracy - I can't get good acc on very slow maps, very slow parts, or maps with huge gaps in the music/objects

I don't even know what is this - when I retry a map a 3-5 times, I start misreading it. Seemingly random, affects patterns that I haven't misread before. When I retry a map 20-300 times (enough to memorize it decently), I will start to always misread the same moments. I think this is how I can describe it. Miss on the same jump 3 times in a row ---> from now on, I will not attempt this jump, for I will proceed to wave my cursor around for a second like a retard instead.

Sounds like you have a case of osu ADD. Personally I find retrying a map too many times to have the same effect on me. I concluded that it was simply because i was too bored so i stop taking the map as seriously and end up making silly mistakes where I would never make them.

As for the slow objects I have that problem too, probably also because I'm bored and out of focus during slow parts so I tend to underestimate them.

weakness:aim
approach:I quit std cuz RSI got me

weakness: getting 1x miss no matter what
solution: cry a lot

Weakness: Rhythm games
Solution: Quit

Weakness: Missing
Solution: Play more

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

Weakness: Rhythm games
Solution: Quit

Weakness: Rhythm games Mind games
Solution: Quit NEVERGIVEUP!

You'll be back, enjoy break

Kwonaiden wrote:

ZenithPhantasm wrote:

Weakness: Rhythm games
Solution: Quit

Weakness: Rhythm games Mind games
Solution: Quit NEVERGIVEUP!

You'll be back, enjoy break

I probably will when my RSI heals lol. It wont be for a while tho

Weakness: broke.
Solution: steal a new mouse.

-Ruri no Tori- wrote:

weakness: getting 1x miss no matter what
solution: cry a lot

evn on freedom dive??????

KukiMonster wrote:

Weakness: broke.
Solution: steal a new mouse.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

idkfa lolz wrote:

- Things you used to be bad at, but eventually got better after doing x.

I couldn't fc 2 star songs.
After playing more I can now fc 5,5+ star songs.

at my level (rank 22k) my weaknesses change and sway over to something else almost every other day. i feel like there is not really a point in thinking too much about it right now. I just play a lot get better gradually. and since i play all kinds of stuff all my parameters improve at least to a certain extent. just 2 days ago i made 7 really impressive plays for my standards and 5 of them even placed my to 5 pp ranks.

of course i occasionally feel limited by my temporary respective weakness but then i just try to play more maps which actually target that spot and 2 days later i already feel the improvement.

I've still many weaknesses as I'm still ~1000pp but it's coming from an "unusual" osu story. Somewhat.

I started osu! in 2009 with mouse only and played casually with friends (like hardcore maps in nofail getting 40% and D but still fun in multi). Then I switched to tablet, I didn't know by the time it was possible to use the keyboard so I tapped and damaged my tablet pencil lead many times.
Then I stop for 4 years before starting again a month ago.

- Random miss & doing FC : it's the worst when it comes to long maps, no matter the difficulty. I meet totally random miss - never at the same place- sometimes it's just I somewhat don't press the key, I never understand where it's from so for improving, well, ahah.
- Concentration : whenever I'm doing good I can't help but try to look at the % or the xCombo or the score, and I end up missing. Shift + Tab helps me for that but well.
- Streams : I started the keyboard by singletapping with my whole hand on the spacebar, and recently realized it was impossible to do any triplet or stream like that, so I had to switch to W/X keys and lost much accuracy since one finger instead of the wrist is less reliable. Streams are becoming better but it's still hard if I can't hear the music that justifie the stream.
- Accuracy : I'm musician but when I don't catch the link map/music (like the music is following sometimes the drum, then voice, all mixed) I just can't pass 85%. When I do, doing >95% feels easy.

Overally it's lack of consistence, I find high-lvl accuracy & jumps easy while "easy" streams feel still hard. The thing I like the most is when note pattern is coming back and forth on itself since I can memorize easily in advance and then "unroll" it.
I guess "practise" is the word, I guess.

problem: clicking circles
solution: stop

Problem: Accuracy

What to do: Well I fc low star songs (4.5+) with 97%+ acc

How often: Since its really boring playing those low star songs I just do it once a month or when i feel like it.

What got good after practicing: Hmm my aim.

My strong aspects: I guess speed and stamina

1) weakness: accuracy
solution: buy a new notebook/pc so i have more than 40fps

2) weakness: can´t pass scarllet rose, talent shredder and other val maps
solution: play more (hard to read maps)