2015-02-22 22:31 Firmatorenio: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMDpfs0WknQ tell me pls what am i doing
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2015-02-22 22:32 Firmatorenio: and why
2015-02-22 22:33 Firmatorenio: (hi)
2015-02-22 22:33 pinataman: `hey
2015-02-22 22:34 pinataman: did u map that?
2015-02-22 22:34 Firmatorenio: yea
2015-02-22 22:34 Firmatorenio: isk why
2015-02-22 22:35 Firmatorenio: idk*
2015-02-22 22:35 pinataman: it looks like a really different style than I'm used to seeing out of you
2015-02-22 22:36 Firmatorenio: cuz i like to map to the bass
2015-02-22 22:36 Firmatorenio: or to the piano
2015-02-22 22:38 Firmatorenio: dat lazy cursor xD
2015-02-22 22:38 Firmatorenio: i guess you've just awoken?
2015-02-22 22:39 pinataman: yep
2015-02-22 22:42 pinataman: okay so the biggest 3/4 gap that felt weird was this one
2015-02-22 22:42 pinataman: 00:32:613 (6,1) -
2015-02-22 22:42 pinataman: i think there was one other one that felt similarly weird but i can't remember where it was
2015-02-22 22:43 pinataman: but everything else seemed okay after i got used to it
2015-02-22 22:43 pinataman: this has poor flow, it just feels a little too complicated for what the music is doing 01:30:908 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
2015-02-22 22:44 pinataman: these overlaps don't look good and are kind of confusing 02:32:727 (1,2,3) -
2015-02-22 22:44 pinataman: 02:34:545 (1,2) - ^
2015-02-22 22:44 Firmatorenio: i didn't find a better sounding combination for 01:30:908 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) -
2015-02-22 22:45 pinataman: the rhythm is fine
2015-02-22 22:45 pinataman: the movement of the cursor i have to make is awkward
2015-02-22 22:45 pinataman: so smooth out the curves
2015-02-22 22:45 pinataman: so the dip into 5 01:31:818 (5) -
2015-02-22 22:45 pinataman: I don't see the reason for this
2015-02-22 22:47 Firmatorenio: don't you just move the cursor a straight line there lol
2015-02-22 22:47 Firmatorenio: ?*
2015-02-22 22:47 pinataman: i'd prefer it to be something more like
http://puu.sh/g801N/faa8afecbc.jpg2015-02-22 22:47 pinataman: the way you have it forms a cusp, and I don't think it fits here
2015-02-22 22:47 Firmatorenio: ooh i like it
2015-02-22 22:48 pinataman: if you're intending to make them move in a straight line, make 5 straight
2015-02-22 22:48 Firmatorenio: except i'd invert the curves so 7 looks to the left
2015-02-22 22:49 pinataman: well yah but don't make another cusp because then you have the same problem
2015-02-22 22:49 pinataman: but the idea is good
2015-02-22 22:49 pinataman: 03:11:818 (4,6) -
2015-02-22 22:49 Firmatorenio: ACTION goes to gtranslate "cusp"
2015-02-22 22:49 pinataman: don't blanket like this, the overlap looks worse than what you're getting from the blanket
2015-02-22 22:50 Firmatorenio: lol
2015-02-22 22:51 Firmatorenio: what to do with the intro?..
2015-02-22 22:51 pinataman: sorry osu crashed
2015-02-22 22:51 pinataman: right so cusp:
http://www.math.rutgers.edu/~greenfie/s ... f/cusp.gif2015-02-22 22:51 Firmatorenio: oh
2015-02-22 22:52 pinataman: thats what im talking about
2015-02-22 22:52 pinataman: ill get to the intro after the overlap thing
2015-02-22 22:52 Firmatorenio: okay
2015-02-22 22:53 Firmatorenio: "osu crashed" eh i rarely get those..
2015-02-22 22:54 pinataman: i tried linking a giant file
2015-02-22 22:54 pinataman: it did not like that XD
2015-02-22 22:54 pinataman: okay so for example 03:14:999 (2,4) -
2015-02-22 22:54 pinataman: i think trying something more like this would help. don't blanket the slider end, blanket the whole slider:
http://puu.sh/g80BA/fe9a5ab694.jpg2015-02-22 22:55 Firmatorenio: i can just make 4 look another way
2015-02-22 22:55 Firmatorenio: why didn't i think of that before
2015-02-22 22:55 pinataman: no it's the concept you should understand
2015-02-22 22:55 Firmatorenio: "don't blanket everything" xD
2015-02-22 22:56 pinataman: and don't make this overlap. From now on, always overlap intentionally, so you have to think about how you overlap and whether its something you want
2015-02-22 22:56 pinataman: 03:15:681 (4,5) -
2015-02-22 22:56 Firmatorenio: Normal is insane on blankets
2015-02-22 22:56 pinataman: yah ill comment about that
2015-02-22 22:57 pinataman: i think i saw something i didnt like, but the intro
2015-02-22 22:57 pinataman: what kind of things are you looking for feedback in?
2015-02-22 22:58 Firmatorenio: well...
2015-02-22 22:58 Firmatorenio: the things that play really bad
2015-02-22 22:58 Firmatorenio: or look really bad
2015-02-22 22:59 Firmatorenio: rather, unreally
2015-02-22 22:59 pinataman: right, but why specify the intro? that implies you think there is a problem with it, which is what i was asking, but yah i could say some things
2015-02-22 23:00 Firmatorenio: someone pointed out it looks like a copypaste
2015-02-22 23:00 Firmatorenio: i like it though
2015-02-22 23:00 Firmatorenio: it's piano mapped
2015-02-22 23:00 pinataman: so 00:02:727 - not having a note feels odd. I know what you're trying to do to emphasize 00:02:840 (9,10) - , but it kind of still feels odd
2015-02-22 23:00 pinataman: how about something like this:
2015-02-22 23:01 pinataman:
http://puu.sh/g819L/b87c7324cf.jpg2015-02-22 23:01 pinataman: a change in flow/spacing gives the emphasis you're looking for
2015-02-22 23:02 pinataman: while still being able to add the note at the white tick
2015-02-22 23:02 Firmatorenio: hmm
2015-02-22 23:03 pinataman: if you don't like that the spacing is too big in the second part, try making the 1-8's spacing be a little smaller
2015-02-22 23:04 pinataman: so you can reduce spacing in second part too
2015-02-22 23:04 pinataman: but again this is just the way I would do it to solve the no note problem
2015-02-22 23:04 Firmatorenio: no, the second part's spacing is fine
2015-02-22 23:05 Firmatorenio: i'm thinking on whether 8 or 9 should be the... what was that word?
2015-02-22 23:05 Firmatorenio: cusp, ya
2015-02-22 23:05 pinataman: yah that's a good point, im still shaky with that myself
2015-02-22 23:06 pinataman: i can tell you my reason behind it, but I'd rather you think about it first
2015-02-22 23:08 Firmatorenio: i think it feels better on 8
2015-02-22 23:08 Firmatorenio: but looks better on 9 =\
2015-02-22 23:09 Firmatorenio: still looks good on 8 though
2015-02-22 23:10 pinataman: its up to you. I agree that it plays better increasing the energy at 9 where the music is up beat, but yah up to you
2015-02-22 23:11 pinataman: and besides certain aesthetics/flow choices that I feel could just be style things, there was one other issue I had with the map
2015-02-22 23:11 pinataman: where is the climax of the map?
2015-02-22 23:12 Firmatorenio: the second kiai
2015-02-22 23:12 Firmatorenio: aka short one
2015-02-22 23:12 Firmatorenio: as i think at least
2015-02-22 23:13 pinataman: okay, the problem for me is the pacing gets a little weird after that. If you noticed, I paused the game after that kiai because I thought map was over
2015-02-22 23:13 Firmatorenio: eh lol
2015-02-22 23:13 pinataman: because of that, we went from high energy to low energy and stayed in low energy for a while, which made it feel like the map dragge on
2015-02-22 23:13 pinataman: dragged*
2015-02-22 23:14 pinataman: i mean i don;t like long songs
2015-02-22 23:14 pinataman: so thats my bias
2015-02-22 23:14 pinataman: but it does feel like you want to make a shorter resolution
2015-02-22 23:15 Firmatorenio: well, there still is part starting with 03:39:999
2015-02-22 23:16 pinataman: you know you can link it right?
2015-02-22 23:16 pinataman: instead of typing it out
2015-02-22 23:16 Firmatorenio: 03:39:999 -
2015-02-22 23:16 Firmatorenio: forgot the dash
2015-02-22 23:17 Firmatorenio: 04:16:704 (2,3,4) - was it this another 3/4 gap you didn't like btw?
2015-02-22 23:17 Firmatorenio: hyphen*
2015-02-22 23:18 pinataman: well anyway to conclude the pacing remark, consider not mapping some of the end and let the music fade out on its own
2015-02-22 23:19 Firmatorenio: wut
2015-02-22 23:19 Firmatorenio: i tried to reduce the SV in the outro, but that ended up terrible
2015-02-22 23:20 pinataman: for instance, consider deleting all the notes past 04:23:636 (1) - to let the music be the resolution to the map.
2015-02-22 23:20 pinataman: but i would hate to see the work go away
2015-02-22 23:20 pinataman: but its up to you
2015-02-22 23:20 pinataman: anywaay yah the rhythm there is pretty funky
2015-02-22 23:21 pinataman: it actually starts here 04:14:318 (4,1,2,3,4,5) -
2015-02-22 23:21 pinataman: and that feels strange
2015-02-22 23:21 pinataman: and then yah this feels weird to read 04:16:704 (2,3) -
2015-02-22 23:24 Firmatorenio: the (2) was 1/4 longer before xD
2015-02-22 23:26 pinataman: okay, I kind of want to wrap up the mod now. So in the normal you mentioned blankets
2015-02-22 23:26 pinataman: so for example i think this leads to problems 00:18:181 (4,5) -
2015-02-22 23:26 pinataman: the flow here is really strenuous and i dont think the music supports it
2015-02-22 23:26 pinataman: you have to go backwards to catch 5, but then you have to go in the reverse direction to match the slider
2015-02-22 23:26 pinataman: and that feels like to much of changes for what you're doing
2015-02-22 23:27 Firmatorenio: 00:31:136 (2,3,4,5) - same problems
2015-02-22 23:27 pinataman: something like this would make sense since you aren't going in the opposite way to get to the slider
2015-02-22 23:27 pinataman:
http://puu.sh/g833n/4b906aa45a.jpg2015-02-22 23:28 pinataman: or simply this
http://puu.sh/g837e/e41da5a86a.jpg2015-02-22 23:28 pinataman: sometimes flow like this can work, but generally not in a normal and generally not as often as you use it
2015-02-22 23:28 pinataman: but yah
2015-02-22 23:28 Firmatorenio: why not [https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/2810920 this?]
2015-02-22 23:29 pinataman: yah thats good too
2015-02-22 23:29 pinataman: there are probably a lot of ways to solve it, just wanted to mention a few
2015-02-22 23:29 pinataman: also, slider leniency
2015-02-22 23:30 pinataman: yah idk how to explain/help but go ask Jenny or something
2015-02-22 23:30 Firmatorenio: i know what that is
2015-02-22 23:30 Firmatorenio: (and i hate kicksliders)
2015-02-22 23:33 Firmatorenio: 01:14:545 (1) - does this go too much offscreen?
2015-02-22 23:34 pinataman: yes
2015-02-22 23:34 Firmatorenio: ACTION hates forming shapeless long sliders
2015-02-22 23:49 Firmatorenio: hmm, what did you mean you used to see a different style in my maps?
2015-02-22 23:51 pinataman: linear sliders a lot with more triangles than normal. you make good streams and it showed more
2015-02-22 23:52 Firmatorenio: well, it's true i mainly use linear sliders if i map an offbeat bassline
2015-02-22 23:53 Firmatorenio: like, straightbeat, but starting on red tick and ending on a white
2015-02-22 23:53 Firmatorenio: ACTION rips articles
2015-02-22 23:53 Firmatorenio: ^the articles*
2015-02-22 23:55 Firmatorenio: that track is my favorite of Foozogz'
2015-02-23 00:00 pinataman: sry was in bathroom
2015-02-23 00:00 pinataman: which song?
2015-02-23 00:02 Firmatorenio: the one that was on video
2015-02-23 00:02 Firmatorenio: Forever Dreaming
2015-02-23 00:32 Firmatorenio: so, will you post the mod so i can give a kudosu? :3
2015-02-23 00:32 pinataman: sure thing
2015-02-23 00:35 Firmatorenio: i thought you'd just post the chat log
2015-02-23 00:36 pinataman: i will, but remember how my osu crashed?
2015-02-23 00:36 pinataman: do you mind puushing me your chat?
2015-02-23 00:36 pinataman: so i can get the full mod in