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Hanatan - Kagerou - Variation [Taiko]

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Topic Starter
bananannian
This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on 2015年2月22日 at 11:18:59

Artist: Hanatan
Title: Kagerou - Variation
Tags: vocaloid IA
BPM: 122
Filesize: 21878kb
Play Time: 04:20
Difficulties Available:
  1. Futsuu (2.09 stars, 506 notes)
  2. Inner Oni (4.66 stars, 1243 notes)
  3. Kantan (1.61 stars, 300 notes)
  4. Muzukashii (3.06 stars, 782 notes)
  5. Oni (3.73 stars, 1005 notes)
  6. Ura Oni (6.15 stars, 1648 notes)
Download: Hanatan - Kagerou - Variation
Download: Hanatan - Kagerou - Variation (no video)
Information: Scores/Beatmap Listing
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Song length: 4:20
Hmm.....

Enjoy. :D



Modders <3: _none, Jason X, game rock, _verto_, JudgeTheDude, Lunaris Filia, Coro, -Anhedonia-, FlamingRok

Version 0.1 - 23/1/2015
Version 0.2 - 2/2/2015 - Updated difficulty curve
Version 0.3 - 8/2/2015 - Updated drain time for easier difficulties, updated difficulty names
Version 0.4 - 17/2/2015 - Updated SV
Topic Starter
bananannian
whoops, accidentally posted, ignore this

And am I blind or is there no delete button... o_O
_none_old
Hi~ from my m4m queue.

//
Red : unranked
Green : suggest
Blue : my opinion

[General]
Difficulty spread is bad. Oni 4 stars / Inner Oni 6 stars

*You must disable wild screen support over all diff.

[Timing]
00:02:829 - 68.9 bpm
00:10:040 - 122 bpm / i recommend to double bpm at this song. 122 bpm will be so slow and ambiguous.
- after change all, resnap all note and timing.

[Kantan]
on bpm over 220, Kantan diff is will be useless.

.. so many used Big notes is this not accept on any diffs. remap pleas.

end is so strange, how about add slider or spin?

OD5 HP5 on Kantan, will be unranked. fix to OD 2~2.5 / HP 1.5~2

[Futsuu]
same as Kantan, so many used Big notes in this.

same as Kantan, end is so strange, how about add slider or spin?

There's so many unaccepted pattern on Fustuu.
ex.)
00:33:654 (68)-(72)
00:42:785 (88)-(95)
00:54:589 (122)-(134)
01:07:376 (21)-(28)
01:14:138 (45)-(58)

OD5 HP5 on Futsuu, will be unranked. fix to OD 2.5~3 / HP 2.5~3

[Muzukashi]
same as Kantan, so many used Big notes in this. wait, is this on all diffs?

same as Futsuu, There's so many unaccepted pattern on Muzukashi.
ex.)
00:44:999 (131)-(135)
00:48:687 (144)-(150)
00:52:867 (159)-(163)
00:58:769 (185)-(189)

... okay i can't mod your map anymore..

looks like first taiko map. but okay.

improve taiko mapping skill to see other ranked map or play it.
Topic Starter
bananannian

_none wrote:

Hi~ from my m4m queue.

//
Red : unranked
Green : suggest
Blue : my opinion

[General]
Difficulty spread is bad. Oni 4 stars / Inner Oni 6 stars
Noted, I will add a less difficult Inner Oni at 5.5 stars.

*You must disable wild screen support over all diff.
Fixed.

[Timing]
00:02:829 - 68.9 bpm
Uhh... I don't think that bpm is correct... I don't think mine is though... I'll check it out later.
00:10:040 - 122 bpm / i recommend to double bpm at this song. 122 bpm will be so slow and ambiguous.
No, deliberate choice, 244 bpm left to kiai time.
- after change all, resnap all note and timing.

[Kantan]
on bpm over 220, Kantan diff is will be useless.
Kantan diff has no bpm over 152.5 for me, check it again?

.. so many used Big notes is this not accept on any diffs. remap pleas.
Fixed for Kantan.

end is so strange, how about add slider or spin?
Added.

OD5 HP5 on Kantan, will be unranked. fix to OD 2~2.5 / HP 1.5~2
Fixed.

[Futsuu]
same as Kantan, so many used Big notes in this.
Fixed for Futsuu.

same as Kantan, end is so strange, how about add slider or spin?
Added.

There's so many unaccepted pattern on Fustuu.
Keep in mind Futsuu for this beatmap set is actually hard, not normal difficulty, so I won't change it unless other modders require me to.
ex.)
00:33:654 (68)-(72)
00:42:785 (88)-(95)
00:54:589 (122)-(134)
01:07:376 (21)-(28)
01:14:138 (45)-(58)

OD5 HP5 on Futsuu, will be unranked. fix to OD 2.5~3 / HP 2.5~3
Fixed.

[Muzukashi]
same as Kantan, so many used Big notes in this. wait, is this on all diffs?
Yes, it is ^.^ I fixed it for easier diffs, but for harder ones I'll keep them, since I find as long as they aren't used in runs, big notes aren't difficult AT ALL to hit, and add the extra spice to the song. Unless other modders require me to, I won't change this.

same as Futsuu, There's so many unaccepted pattern on Muzukashi.
Keep in mind this is 3.74 stars, i.e. borderline insane/oni difficulty. I won't change these patterns unless other modders require me to.
ex.)
00:44:999 (131)-(135)
00:48:687 (144)-(150)
00:52:867 (159)-(163)
00:58:769 (185)-(189)

... okay i can't mod your map anymore..

looks like first taiko map. but okay.

improve taiko mapping skill to see other ranked map or play it.
Thanks for the constructive comments! Have a kudosu!
Jason X
Hanatan - Kageru Variation m4m t/285051

General
Add Timing piont at 04:04:652 - Kantan - Oni (Chek AiMod)( Ctrl-Shift-A )
Add Background Picture
^
Maybe this: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BDJA8SEHYp8/maxresdefault.jpg

If you want to write the Japanese Title name: 影炎≒Variation Romanised Title: Kagerou=Variation or Kagerou-Variation
Source: Vocaloid
Tags: Vocaloid Taiko IA (Orginal) Hanatan (general search terms of this Song/Artist)

Kantan
01:19:671 (47) - k
Please Deaktivate the Not used Kiai-Time 02:12:048 - 02:35:654 -
03:23:832 - 04:04:652 -

Futsuu
Chek AiMod, many objects was not snapped ( Ctrl-Shift-A )
Please Deaktivate the Not used Kiai-Time 03:23:832 - 04:04:652 -

Muzukashii
01:55:695 - d
03:15:963 (134) - K
03:20:635 (154,155) - KK

Oni
Low HP and OD try a little bit higher

Inner Oni
Low HP and OD try a little bit higher
02:12:048 (1) - K


at the time i want to post this reply i see _none have mostle the same thing.
so it's not many
Topic Starter
bananannian

Jason X wrote:

Hanatan - Kageru Variation m4m t/285051

General
Add Timing piont at 04:04:652 - Kantan - Oni (Chek AiMod)( Ctrl-Shift-A )
Fixed.
Add Background Picture
^
Maybe this: http://i.ytimg.com/vi/BDJA8SEHYp8/maxresdefault.jpg
Woah nice find, added.

If you want to write the Japanese Title name: 影炎≒Variation Romanised Title: Kagerou=Variation or Kagerou-Variation
Source: Vocaloid
Tags: Vocaloid Taiko IA (Orginal) Hanatan (general search terms of this Song/Artist)
Thanks, added!

Kantan
01:19:671 (47) - k
Fixed.
Please Deaktivate the Not used Kiai-Time 02:12:048 - 02:35:654 -
03:23:832 - 04:04:652 -
Fixed.

Futsuu
Chek AiMod, many objects was not snapped ( Ctrl-Shift-A )
Whoops, fixed.
Please Deaktivate the Not used Kiai-Time 03:23:832 - 04:04:652 -
Fixed.

Muzukashii
01:55:695 - d
It was already d before, what do you mean?
03:15:963 (134) - K
Fixed.
03:20:635 (154,155) - KK
Fixed.

Oni
Low HP and OD try a little bit higher
Fixed.

Inner Oni
Low HP and OD try a little bit higher
Fixed.
02:12:048 (1) - K
Fixed.


at the time i want to post this reply i see _none have mostle the same thing.
so it's not many
Mainly thanks for the background pic and tags! Have a kudosu!
Topic Starter
bananannian
COMPLETELY UPDATED DIFFICULTY CURVE.
Kantan, Futsuu and even Murukashii should all be fitting to their respective expected difficulty now.

Please help me figure out a name for the "Muru-Oni" difficulty, I hate that name :( :( :( :( :(
Jason X

bananannian wrote:

COMPLETELY UPDATED DIFFICULTY CURVE.
Kantan, Futsuu and even Murukashii should all be fitting to their respective expected difficulty now.

Please help me figure out a name for the "Muru-Oni" difficulty, I hate that name :( :( :( :( :(

Name it: _ Light Oni _ or _ Advanced Muzu
Racoon-
Sorry.. I don't know how to you mapping this

so I give you kudosu star !!

sorry :(
Coro
okay umm before I mod, you really need to not end the song at different points for different songs haha

[Kantan]
okay umm you need to map the rest of the song as well, before I can mod it

[Futsuu]
this diff as well, map the rest of the song

[Muzukashii]
why are all your diffs incomplete o_o

[Muzu-oni]
almost there, but why did you stop at 04:04:652 ? Just a bit more, put down some notes haha
Name's a bit awkward too, maybe you can call it Oni, it's basically at Oni difficulty anyway

[Oni]
again, why did you stop at 04:04:652 ? Just a bit more, put down some notes haha
Difficulty can easily make this an Inner Oni, rename it please

[Inner Oni]
This then becomes Ura Oni after the renames.

when the diffs are complete, call me again and I'll do a proper mod~
no kds
Gemu-
Hi, from Game's Queue~ Sorry for the delay :o :o

d
k
D (Big d)
K (Big k)


[kantan]

You forgot remove the Widescreen Support http://puu.sh/ftPUF/3121fddd55.jpg

00:44:999 - Add a k.
00:46:966 - Change to K and here 00:49:425 - Change to K for KD DK.
00:51:392 - Change to K and here 00:52:867 - Change to K for DK KD.
01:02:703 - Change to k for the rhythm.
01:04:671 - ^
01:06:638 - ^
01:11:064 - Change to k for the rhythm and the pattern.
01:13:031 - ^
01:14:999 - ^

[Futsuu]

Check your Ai Mod please http://puu.sh/fAUkH/5692355bbd.jpg

00:09:846 - Change to k? is better.
00:11:556 - Change to k for the rhythm in this part.
01:06:638 - Change to d and here 01:06:884 - Change to k.
01:22:376 - Change to K for the rhythm and the pattern in this part.
01:41:064 - Change to d and here 01:42:048 - Change to d for dk kd.
01:44:999 - Change to d and here 01:45:982 - Change to d for dk kd.
02:33:195 - Change to K for the rhythm and the pattern in this part.

[Muzukashii]

00:09:846 - Change to k?
01:18:441 - ^
01:20:162 - Change to k is better
02:24:220 - Change to k.
02:25:572 - Chnage to d?

[Muzu-oni]

00:30:613 - Change to k.
00:34:548 - ^
00:36:515 - Change to d for kd dk.
00:38:482 - Change to k.
00:42:417 - ^
01:54:220 - Change to k? is better.
02:31:720 - Change to k for the pattern.
02:51:146 - ^
02:55:081 - Change to D.
02:57:417 - Remove this note.
03:08:463 - Change this to K.

[Oni]

00:09:846 - Change to k?
00:14:876 - Change to k.
00:15:367 - ^
00:16:843 - ^
00:18:810 - ^
00:20:777 - ^
00:22:744 - Change to k is better.
00:24:712 - ^
00:26:679 - ^
00:28:646 - ^
01:46:351 - Change to k.
02:55:081 - Change to D for the pattern.
02:57:417 - Remove this note.
03:08:463 - Change to K.

Sorry for not completing the full Beatmap, because my rules say: "The Beatmap Should last up to 3 minutes".
And sorry for not modding the Inner Oni, Because I'm very noob to modding this diff but I really liked your Beatmap and I hope my mod you have helped, good luck :oops: :oops: :oops: :) :)
verto
Yo, M4M from my queue

Muzukashii

SPOILER
00:13:031 (10) - This is on a break, move it to 00:12:908 (10) -
00:13:891 (13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52) - remap. Listen to the music and map on the most prominent part. Here you probably want to map on the piano-like thing and use pitch based mapping style.

00:31:966 (59) - move 1/4 back, drum sound is there, not where you placed the don
00:32:212 (60) - kick here, put kat.
^Apply to the next stanza these two if you accepted something


00:43:277 (90) - remove, the drum sounds are on the next and previous blue lines
00:48:687 (105) - k->d, though same as ^
00:53:605 (120) - d here for vocal
00:54:588 (122) - move this 1/2 back for vocal
01:06:884 (20) - You left out a don here. (01:02:335 (4,5) - 01:04:302 (11,12) - )
01:14:384 (46) - bring this 1/4 ahead and make it into a don. The vocal takes a bit of break
01:19:671 (66,67) - Invert colours. I'd prefer it dK though but currently it's not rankable and on that BPM probably never will be.
01:20:163 (69) - kick, make it kat
01:20:654 (71,73,75) - make these into don, the kats next to them are on either cymbal or kick. Make the cymbals (or whatever they are they sound like that) big kats 01:20:900 (72,76) -
01:22:376 (77,78) - You used to put K on these sounds.
01:23:606 (82) - move 1/4 back and make it into a don, that's a drum sound there, then make 01:23:360 (81) - into a kat. there is a kick there.
01:23:728 (83) - drum there, so put a don here and remove that kat 5let that makes no sense why would you even do that I'm sure you can think of a better way to map that, mostly using dons.

01:24:712 (88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128) - remap again.

01:40:818 (129,130) - 129 is bass, 130 is kick. Put don on bass kat on kick EVERY. TIME.
If you accepted it use them like that in the next few stanzas.

01:57:048 (178) - This is on the same sound as the previous 2 D, yet it's K
Same in next stanza

01:59:384 (185) - Put a don here then invert colours for that duplet. First is for the kick second is for the vocal.
02:08:113 (1) - Lazy

Kiai sounds the same, map it exactly the same way as the first one is.

02:33:933 (1) - Map the rest wtf

Will mod another diff later
Topic Starter
bananannian

Coro wrote:

okay umm before I mod, you really need to not end the song at different points for different songs haha
Wait... You can't do that? To my knowledge maps with longer songs have varied difficulty length... Hmm.

Ok, whatever, I'll map out the rest of the easier difficulties today. :lol:
Topic Starter
bananannian

_verto_ wrote:

Yo, M4M from my queue

Muzukashii

SPOILER
00:13:031 (10) - This is on a break, move it to 00:12:908 (10) -
Fixed.
00:13:891 (13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52) - remap. Listen to the music and map on the most prominent part. Here you probably want to map on the piano-like thing and use pitch based mapping style.
It IS based on the electric piano thing currently, but I guess it's not obvious enough. (I didn't want to do the same thing as Muzu-Oni) I will consider changing it.

00:31:966 (59) - move 1/4 back, drum sound is there, not where you placed the don
Retained, I wish to keep the previous pattern as well as note vocals just for here, and placing this 1/4 back would create a pretty weird pause.
00:32:212 (60) - kick here, put kat.
Fixed.
^Apply to the next stanza these two if you accepted something


00:43:277 (90) - remove, the drum sounds are on the next and previous blue lines
Retained, vocals.
00:48:687 (105) - k->d, though same as ^
Fixed.
00:53:605 (120) - d here for vocal
Retained, I wish to map drums here.
00:54:588 (122) - move this 1/2 back for vocal
Retained, I wish to map drums here.
01:06:884 (20) - You left out a don here. (01:02:335 (4,5) - 01:04:302 (11,12) - )
This was previously intended, but it's a valid suggestion, I'll take it. ^.^
01:14:384 (46) - bring this 1/4 ahead and make it into a don. The vocal takes a bit of break
Uh, no they don't... ? I listened at 50% playback.
01:19:671 (66,67) - Invert colours. I'd prefer it dK though but currently it's not rankable and on that BPM probably never will be.
Fixed.
01:20:163 (69) - kick, make it kat
I think the word you're looking for is snares, but fixed, thanks!
01:20:654 (71,73,75) - make these into don, the kats next to them are on either cymbal or kick. Make the cymbals (or whatever they are they sound like that) big kats 01:20:900 (72,76) -
Changed to dkkdd to match vocals.
01:22:376 (77,78) - You used to put K on these sounds.
Fixed.
01:23:606 (82) - move 1/4 back and make it into a don, that's a drum sound there, then make 01:23:360 (81) - into a kat. there is a kick there.
Fixed.
01:23:728 (83) - drum there, so put a don here and remove that kat 5let that makes no sense why would you even do that I'm sure you can think of a better way to map that, mostly using dons.
Not mapping drums for that 5plet, it's a crescendo towards 01:24:343 (88), to emphasize vocals.
01:24:712 (88,89,90,91,92,93,94,95,96,97,98,99,100,101,102,103,104,105,106,107,108,109,110,111,112,113,114,115,116,117,118,119,120,121,122,123,124,125,126,127,128) - remap again.
See above.

01:40:818 (129,130) - 129 is bass, 130 is kick. Put don on bass kat on kick EVERY. TIME.
Mapping guitar here, not drums.
If you accepted it use them like that in the next few stanzas.

01:57:048 (178) - This is on the same sound as the previous 2 D, yet it's K
Vocals?
Same in next stanza

01:59:384 (185) - Put a don here then invert colours for that duplet. First is for the kick second is for the vocal.
Fixed, and changed up the next bit as well.
02:08:113 (1) - Lazy
Ok, added a few notes, shortened spinner.

Kiai sounds the same, map it exactly the same way as the first one is.
Fixed.

02:33:933 (1) - Map the rest wtf
To my knowledge maps with longer songs have varied length for different difficulties. I guess I can change that up, but just so you know it was intentional :P

Will mod another diff later Thank you for your mod!
Topic Starter
bananannian
Sorry Game I lost my reply to your mod...

The gist of it is that I accepted many of your suggestions, while changing up some runs in my song in the process.

And, didn't I request you to mod as many difficulties as you wish to? I expected like 3, got 5, was very happy. ^.^

Inner Oni is very fun! :)


Thank you for your mod. :D :D
JudgeTheDude
Hi ! M4M

[General]
  1. No need to put "taiko" "hanatan" "kagerou" "variation" in the tags, since they're in the song's metadata. Also, delete the commas, they are not useful
  2. Consider removing the audio from the videon to reduce size
  3. Your MP3 is correct, but try to find a better version (192 kbps)
  4. The Kiai Times are unconsistent between the diffs, please fix that by putting the same in every diff

[Kantan]
  1. Most of the song is unmapped, please fix this
  2. 02:12:048 - There is a Kiai here in the other diffs, so please put one here, for consistency
  3. 00:58:031 (57) - I understand why it's on a 1/2 snap, but a Kantan should be 1/1 mapped

[Futsuu]
  1. Same as before, why is that map shorter than the song ? Consider fixing this for consistency problems. Good map, though
  2. AI Mod
  3. 02:25:328 (32) - Not snapped, 2ms off the beat
  4. 02:25:574 (33) - ^
  5. 02:25:820 (34) - ^
  6. 02:27:787 (38) - ^

[Muzukashii]
  1. Same as before, why is that map shorter than the song ? Consider fixing this for consistency problems.
  2. Most of the blue-snapped patterns, at the beginning are confusing and totally off-beat, I don't know how to deal with them, please fix them, for example
  3. 00:15:613 (17,18) -
  4. 00:17:581 (22,23) -
  5. 00:19:548 (27,28) -
  6. However, apart from that point, it was fun to play

[Muzu-Oni]
  1. Unconsistent Kiai, you have one more kiai than in the other diffs
  2. 02:33:933 - Why not put a Spinner as in Muzukashii ?
  3. 04:04:529 (42) - Put it at 04:04:652
  4. 04:04:652No need for a Red Timing Point

The 2 last diffs were off my level on understanding, talking about mapping/modding, sorry :/

But great map though, I enjoyed the Muzu-Oni and the Oni !
Topic Starter
bananannian
Holy wow, so many mods in one day, thanks people! :) :) :)

Judge, most of the stuff you spoke about in your mod has been fixed during previous mods, except metadata and some other small issues, of which I have fixed as well.

Because of multiple modders' opinion, I have decided to lengthen Kantan to Muzukashii difficulty's drain time to include the whole song. (I really thought it was a good idea to not have beginners play for 4 minutes, I thought it would be too much, but oh well :/ )

Thanks for the mod! ^.^
Topic Starter
bananannian
Just updated EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING.

Please redownload :V
Coro

bananannian wrote:

Coro wrote:

okay umm before I mod, you really need to not end the song at different points for different songs haha
Wait... You can't do that? To my knowledge maps with longer songs have varied difficulty length... Hmm.

Ok, whatever, I'll map out the rest of the easier difficulties today. :lol:
those with varied difficulty lengths were older maps before the rules were decided, yep~
In any case, it doesn't hurt to have the full-length song~
K-2
Hi

Kantan
00:14:999 (7) - k
00:18:933 (11) - k
00:22:867 (16) - k
00:26:802 (20) - k
01:01:228 (1) - D
01:19:917 (27) - move to 01:19:794 and k
01:22:376 (31) - D
01:24:835 ~ 01:40:572 = 00:14:015 ~ 00:29:753
02:07:130 (51) - k
02:12:048 (1) - D
02:30:737 (27) - move to 02:30:613 and k
02:33:933 (1) - move to 02:33:687 and increase slightly
02:58:277 (16) - additions Auto
03:06:638 (28) - additions Auto
03:23:832 (1) - D
04:03:668 (57) - k
04:04:652 ~ 04:19:406 = 00:14:015 ~ 00:29:753
04:20:266 add D

Futsuu
00:43:524 (69,70,71) - D K D
00:56:555 (92,93,94) - kdk
01:01:228 (1) - D
01:19:671 (44) - move to 01:19:794
02:12:048 (1) - D
02:30:491 (44) - move to 02:30:613
02:53:605 - add d
02:53:851 (28) - delete
02:54:097 - add d
02:55:818 (34,35,36) - move 02:55:818 to 02:55:572
02:57:048 - add d
04:04:529 (57) - delete

Muzukashii
01:01:228 (1) - D
01:06:884 (20) - delete
01:15:000 (50,51,52,53) - k k d d
01:16:721 (57,58,59) - ddd or kkk
02:12:048 (1) - D
02:17:703 (20) - delete
01:09:097 (29) 01:11:064 (36) 01:13:031 (43) 01:15:000 (50) - all D
03:06:146 (85) - this slider should be changed 03:06:146~03:06:884
03:23:832 (1) - D
03:53:342 (48,49,50,51) - K d k d
04:01:701 (77) - D
04:02:685 (78,79) - D D
04:20:266 (139) - D

Oni
00:21:023 (41,42,43,44) 00:28:892 (71,72,73,74) - ddkd
01:01:228 (1) - D
01:24:835 ~ 01:40:572 = 00:14:015 ~ 00:29:753
02:12:048 (1) - D
03:29:242 (6,7) - D K
04:01:701 (37) - D
04:02:685 (38,39) - D D
04:04:652 ~ 04:19:406 = 00:14:015 ~ 00:29:753
04:19:651 - add d
04:19:774 - add k

Inner Oni
00:21:023 (52,53,54,55) 00:28:892 (90,91,92,93) - ddkd
01:01:228 (1) - D
01:19:794 (125) - k
01:24:835 ~ 01:40:572 = 00:14:015 ~ 00:29:753
02:35:531 - add K
03:01:228 (95) - d
04:04:652 ~ 04:19:406 = 00:14:015 ~ 00:29:753
04:01:701 (40) - D
04:02:685 (41,42) - D D
04:20:266 (123) - D

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