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New Impossible Jump?

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Kitokofox
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Topic Starter
Kitokofox
so, apparently I've come across a new sort of (near) impossible jump that's from the result of the pixel jump fix.



If you happen to have a pixel jump that turns into a hyperdash due to the fix, then have another pixel jump returning the other way, the game thinks you can catch on the edge of the platter before going back to the second middle fruit, so it doesn't supply a hyperdash. The problem is, catching the right fruit would mean heading to the middle of that fruit. The result is this akward little impossible-esque jump that requires you to be really strange with the hyperdash feature.
iiyo
522 posts
Joined March 2013
iiyo
gangsta 350x
kemu life game 931x
the infamous evil senketsu no chikai 60x "always gets you at one point"
renard terminal 1,129x
insane techniques x70 or 68ish idk "with HR" not a big pixle but it's still challenging enough to put in my list
also distorted love song ending but i forgot what combo its similar to kemu

these are the ones i can think of off the top of my head.


what u linked is a common pixle jump and not impossible infact it's pretty simple compared to these other pixles, the problem is the imbalance in the x and y axis and conversion, now if this was in a ctb map it would be a different story, it's not really the engine's fault but the mapper's fault.
Yukiteru Amano
409 posts
Joined September 2012
Yukiteru Amano

Storm- wrote:

the infamous evil senketsu no chikai 60x "always gets you at one point"

EVIL EVIL 60x ;P
Kitokofox
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Joined August 2012
Topic Starter
Kitokofox

Storm- wrote:

it's not really the engine's fault but the mapper's fault.
I agree to that, which is exactly why I fixed up that jump before sharing this topic. It's not super impossible. but it's certainly extremely annoying. Something CtB modders want to look out for.
Kurokami
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Joined February 2010
Kurokami
When stuff like this comes to my face I always start to wonder about it. The HDashes pattern what is on your screenshot are rarely fit to the songs. If someone want to use a chained HDash there are far better patterns to do it and they plays nicely. With this pattern the mapper needs to be careful how to come out from this since immediate jump is not a good choice. The pattern needs to be softened drastically after this and this can imbalance a harder difficulty. Thats why I prefer triangle HDash chain in the first place.

Anyway, this should be handled case by case since on lower bpm and under a certain AR this pattern becomes easier. Though I hope I won't see this on any ranked map if possible.
Fl4ndre Scarlet
496 posts
Joined March 2014
Fl4ndre Scarlet
Banned Forever [Nogard] (!)
Yukiteru Amano
409 posts
Joined September 2012
Yukiteru Amano

Tolunay Scarlet wrote:

Banned Forever [Nogard] (!)
Almost impossible xd
eldnl
Former osu!catch Champion: 2013
2,930 posts
Joined March 2010
eldnl
I think you are a bit late on this D:
Zak
641 posts
Joined February 2012
Zak
Wouldn't it be better to put this in Technical Support since this is more or less a problem with the hyperdash calculation (Which I would consider something that requires fixing)
Kurokami
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Kurokami
Fixing this may result another one (maybe a worst one). Yes, it would be nice but I think this is an endless circle.
Zak
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Zak
I highly doubt it will be an endless circle of broken jumps, as the old hyperdash update fixed pixel jumps which at the time was the worst issue in the game. This could start becoming a bigger issue as people keep mapping harder and harder maps and even if it leads to further small bugs we need to try and at least fix it the best we can.
Kurokami
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Kurokami
I never said it is not worth to try and in cuttingedge we can test it. But the chance is there for a new bug.
Drafura
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Drafura
Bring old hypers back >< this kind of jumps are not anything new, it's so annoying for players, so annoying for mappers, so annoying for modders. It's out of question to rank them in a map and it's totally normal, the hit windows is way above the OD10 300 std. In the end it remove possibilities in ctb mapping. The jump skill totally dispeared from ctb players since then... Only zig zag movements and ryuuta accuarcy matters now, this is so sad for people who knows ctb were a bit more back in the days.
DeathXHunter
DeathXHunter
Youre not gonna get through with it Drafura,give it up already. : (
119410501
665 posts
Joined April 2011
119410501

Drafura wrote:

Bring old hypers back >< this kind of jumps are not anything new, it's so annoying for players, so annoying for mappers, so annoying for modders. It's out of question to rank them in a map and it's totally normal, the hit windows is way above the OD10 300 std. In the end it remove possibilities in ctb mapping. The jump skill totally dispeared from ctb players since then... Only zig zag movements and ryuuta accuarcy matters now, this is so sad for people who knows ctb were a bit more back in the days.
Never forget the beginning of 2013's disaster~.
Drafura
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Drafura

119410501 wrote:

Never forget the beginning of 2013's disaster~.
rip ctb
-PM-
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Joined August 2012
-PM-

119410501 wrote:

Drafura wrote:

Bring old hypers back >< this kind of jumps are not anything new, it's so annoying for players, so annoying for mappers, so annoying for modders. It's out of question to rank them in a map and it's totally normal, the hit windows is way above the OD10 300 std. In the end it remove possibilities in ctb mapping. The jump skill totally dispeared from ctb players since then... Only zig zag movements and ryuuta accuarcy matters now, this is so sad for people who knows ctb were a bit more back in the days.
Never forget the beginning of 2013's disaster~.
FL, Hyperdash (~2013), HD (~2014)
DeathXHunter
DeathXHunter
no1 cares about the hd change
-PM-
68 posts
Joined August 2012
-PM-
No
Empress Junko
Empress Junko

Drafura wrote:

119410501 wrote:

Never forget the beginning of 2013's disaster~.
rip ctb
Upvoting.
Kingkevin30
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Joined November 2010
Kingkevin30

DeathXHunter wrote:

no1 cares about the hd change
i didn't care about it because i didn't even noticed anything xD
-Ryuujii-
259 posts
Joined November 2012
-Ryuujii-
middle hyper will make the catcher go further to the right side,it is a concern
119410501
665 posts
Joined April 2011
119410501

-PM- wrote:

No
Kurokami
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Kurokami

DeathXHunter wrote:

no1 cares about the hd change
What, there was a change? lol
DeathXHunter
DeathXHunter
^Exactly.
iiyo
522 posts
Joined March 2013
iiyo
what was old hypers like anyways, I'm very interested, was it a timing difference? the way you hit them?
ZHSteven
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ZHSteven
Does anyone still remember 2009-12-20?

well, almost same saturation here.

"Nothing can be changed. Just move forward." That is all I've learnt about it.
Badis
416 posts
Joined November 2010
Badis

ZHSteven wrote:

Does anyone still remember 2009-12-20?

well, almost same saturation here.

"Nothing can be changed. Just move forward." That is all I've learnt about it.
"Just move forward " even if the changes are bad you still accept that ? please

Drafura wrote:

Bring old hypers back >< this kind of jumps are not anything new, it's so annoying for players, so annoying for mappers, so annoying for modders. It's out of question to rank them in a map and it's totally normal, the hit windows is way above the OD10 300 std. In the end it remove possibilities in ctb mapping. The jump skill totally dispeared from ctb players since then... Only zig zag movements and ryuuta accuarcy matters now, this is so sad for people who knows ctb were a bit more back in the days.
<3
ZHSteven
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ZHSteven
I just want to point out this kind of situation is not the first time and can never be the last. Hopefully this will end in a good way.
because I already lost hope on it
119410501
665 posts
Joined April 2011
119410501

Storm- wrote:

what was old hypers like anyways, I'm very interested, was it a timing difference? the way you hit them?
Once it didn't matter where and when you caught them, they just brought you under the next fruit perfectly.
Badis
416 posts
Joined November 2010
Badis

119410501 wrote:

Storm- wrote:

what was old hypers like anyways, I'm very interested, was it a timing difference? the way you hit them?
Once it didn't matter where and when you caught them, they just brought you under the next fruit perfectly.
good old times :')
He Ang CTB
553 posts
Joined March 2013
He Ang CTB
A perefect HyperDash system would mean that:

(terminal dashes / just 1 more pixel to become hyperdash kind of dashes C:)


(mixture of hyperdashes and terminal dashes)


(complete hyperdashes)


Can all be perfectly caught with the exact same:
1. Amount of time of holding down left and right keys
2. Timing of changing between left and right movement.
Badis
416 posts
Joined November 2010
Badis
They changed the physics of hyperdash...AGAIN
Why you want us to suffer liike that and this time there is no excuses...
Yukiteru Amano
409 posts
Joined September 2012
Yukiteru Amano
Not this time no :P If you wait you might be provided with a very good excuse ;P
119410501
665 posts
Joined April 2011
119410501

Badis wrote:

They changed the physics of hyperdash...AGAIN
Why you want us to suffer liike that and this time there is no excuses...
da fuq happened?
Laharl
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Joined January 2011
Laharl
Gogo, shitstorm incoming.
iiyo
522 posts
Joined March 2013
iiyo
huh? they changed hypers? i didn't notice anything
Granger
835 posts
Joined April 2014
Granger

Storm- wrote:

huh? they changed hypers? i didn't notice anything
Badis
416 posts
Joined November 2010
Badis
https://osu.ppy.sh/b/390883?m=2
Try to play this , you'll see the 1/4 hypers are faster than usual and the 1/2 hypers are slower than usual :|
iiyo
522 posts
Joined March 2013
iiyo

Badis wrote:

https://osu.ppy.sh/b/390883?m=2
Try to play this , you'll see the 1/4 hypers are faster than usual and the 1/2 hypers are slower than usual :|
good?
Ahri
41 posts
Joined October 2013
Ahri
@Storm: I can provide you an old client where the old hyperdash system is still working. (I didn't update that one)
Uhm..it's hard to explain, just the movement is a whole different thing.


And what, they did change it? Again?
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