Actually, I'd say this is quite accurate. The people who "have more money" are those out of the "teen" or "child" groupings, which I would definitely trust more in knowing what a good feature was from a bad one.MarioBros777 wrote:
Basically, those who have more money will judge how osu! is made better. Please prove me wrong.
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Poll 6: Sponsored Feature Requests
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Do you agree with the feature sponsoring system?
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Topic Starter
I'm fine with it.
Just don't make them stars.
Just don't make them stars.
CheeseWarlock wrote:
I'm fine with it.
Just don't make them stars.
I thought about this for a while and decided I am in favor of the idea.
When folks go on and request features, we're basically asking for new stuff to get coded, and I realized I'm okay with the fact that money is paying for these sponsored requests because one rightly should be financially compensated if it is completed.
If a feature request is denied I would hope my credits could be transferred to a different feature request in the future (but those feature points become "locked in" if the feature is added).
When folks go on and request features, we're basically asking for new stuff to get coded, and I realized I'm okay with the fact that money is paying for these sponsored requests because one rightly should be financially compensated if it is completed.
If a feature request is denied I would hope my credits could be transferred to a different feature request in the future (but those feature points become "locked in" if the feature is added).
I don't understand what all the worry is over. People aren't going to throw money at a feature unless they genuinely think it's quality. This isn't just some selfish, freebie want (such as starring a map). It is literally an investment.
I don't want to look at this from the "boohoo I'm not willing to give back to something I'm taking from and it's unfair to treat those who do with higher regard" perspective, but it's hard not to.
I don't want to look at this from the "boohoo I'm not willing to give back to something I'm taking from and it's unfair to treat those who do with higher regard" perspective, but it's hard not to.
I'm half-hearted about this, I still think that allowing people to sponsor something is commercialising the game and making the players with a great deal of money to spend 'those in control' and the rest of the community will go almost unheard.
The idea with supporters being able to spend credits in my opinion is a rgeat idea, if you support osu, you should be able to have an EQUAL say in where development goes, such as a set amount of credits that can be used to promote something, thus still making osu driven towards the whole community as a whole rather than NEEDING money to be spent on something.
People wouldnt be afraid to use credits to fund something they think would be nice and agree with others, money would only be spent by determined individuals rather than everyone
Probably started repeating myself there, but yeah...
The idea with supporters being able to spend credits in my opinion is a rgeat idea, if you support osu, you should be able to have an EQUAL say in where development goes, such as a set amount of credits that can be used to promote something, thus still making osu driven towards the whole community as a whole rather than NEEDING money to be spent on something.
People wouldnt be afraid to use credits to fund something they think would be nice and agree with others, money would only be spent by determined individuals rather than everyone
Probably started repeating myself there, but yeah...
One thing i want to add tho...
Make sure the site and game and everything won't run on the income of this... I've been on a site that failed now because they were running on donations and such and went way over budget with plans, This is what i never wanna see to happen with osu!
And also
To blandly say, people with more money are older and better to judge is imo the wrong way to think.
Make sure the site and game and everything won't run on the income of this... I've been on a site that failed now because they were running on donations and such and went way over budget with plans, This is what i never wanna see to happen with osu!
And also
I highly disagree with this because teenagers could prioritize the wrong thing and use all of his/her money on osu! and spam everything.peppy wrote:
Actually, I'd say this is quite accurate. The people who "have more money" are those out of the "teen" or "child" groupings, which I would definitely trust more in knowing what a good feature was from a bad one.
To blandly say, people with more money are older and better to judge is imo the wrong way to think.
that is what he said lol
I might be overcautious, but this definitely sets off my danger alarms. I don't see this raising the quality of feature requests that much, but at the same time I don't see it lowering it either and I understand that that's only half the point. The main thing is that it really feels like commercialism and while I'm not necessarily seeing a "slippery slope" thing here, at the same time I feel like a lot of other people will (especially new people checking out this osu! thing) and that it will turn them off of osu! I already know a few people who stopped playing osu! over the subscription thing, even though it's really mild and pretty necessary; I have a feeling this will be a lot worse... if they find out about it, that is (they might not if they don't join the community). I also feel it might really have a poisonous effect on the community in the form of envy, but I'm not sure.
I guess what I'm saying is that while I don't have a certain feeling that this is a bad idea, there are too many warning bells going off in my head for me to not say anything, if you understand what I'm trying to say.
I guess what I'm saying is that while I don't have a certain feeling that this is a bad idea, there are too many warning bells going off in my head for me to not say anything, if you understand what I'm trying to say.
Topic Starter
Most "new people" checking out osu! will not visit the Feature Requests board instantly to post new requests, in my eyes. This would also, like subscription, not be forced nor advertised.Yoshi348 wrote:
...at the same time I feel like a lot of other people will (especially new people checking out this osu! thing) and that it will turn them off of osu!
Why would you even do this? I don't even see the logic behind it. To be honest, if someone stops playing a free game because they find out... it is actually free because some people choose to help keep it running (?) then I don't actually want them here in the first place due to their brains not seeming to be switched on.Yoshi348 wrote:
I already know a few people who stopped playing osu! over the subscription thing
I really don't.Yoshi348 wrote:
I guess what I'm saying is that while I don't have a certain feeling that this is a bad idea, there are too many warning bells going off in my head for me to not say anything, if you understand what I'm trying to say.
Consider that osu! has been up to $3,000 in negative at the worst point in time which comes from my pocket, and I never even mentioned this until right now, I don't think you should have a concern for any kind of financial collapse. Leave the worrying to me unless I start telling you to worrynoxie wrote:
Make sure the site and game and everything won't run on the income of this... I've been on a site that failed now because they were running on donations and such and went way over budget with plans, This is what i never wanna see to happen with osu!
.A pattern like this would be obvious to stop before it got out of hand. That said, kids with access to amounts of money that would cause such a problem should not have access in the first place. ie. their parents should probably be showing more care.noxie wrote:
I highly disagree with this because teenagers could prioritize the wrong thing and use all of his/her money on osu! and spam everything.
See this is not the angle I'm coming from. If you missed awp's last post:Guy-kun wrote:
I'm half-hearted about this, I still think that allowing people to sponsor something is commercialising the game and making the players with a great deal of money to spend 'those in control' and the rest of the community will go almost unheard.
People will sponsor other people's features. There may even be a condition invoked that limits how much you can sponsor your own features, or something similar.awp wrote:
I don't understand what all the worry is over. People aren't going to throw money at a feature unless they genuinely think it's quality. This isn't just some selfish, freebie want (such as starring a map). It is literally an investment.
And remember this: I deny over 50% of features as being useless. If I don't see a feature benefitting the game and the community at a whole, it will not get consideration. This is merely an effort to prioritise the features which WILL be affecting and benefitting everyone that plays osu!.
(No I am not trying to get you guys that are against this to change your mind, just presenting my rationale for putting forward the idea)
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Also you can say all your want about commercialism, but if osu! is going to go any further than what it is now (which is definitely something I have interest in -- it would be stupid not to with a time investment of approaching 10,000hours on my part) having more funds available is clearly a benefit. Relying on donations is something I would never dream of, but it all helps in the scheme of things.
I don't see why this would do any harm at all. If people waste money on crap that doesn't need to be added or should have low priority, then it's their own fault, it won't harm how osu! progresses.
If this does happen I would probably sponsor some requests that I really want, or maybe even need. (If say it's an addition to the editor) And I wouldn't care much the price as I know it won't be wasted, it will be used help keep the game running and free, as it is now.
If this does happen I would probably sponsor some requests that I really want, or maybe even need. (If say it's an addition to the editor) And I wouldn't care much the price as I know it won't be wasted, it will be used help keep the game running and free, as it is now.
I see this as an unnecessary extra step which would only serve to introduce bias.peppy wrote:
And remember this: I deny over 50% of features as being useless. If I don't see a feature benefitting the game and the community at a whole, it will not get consideration. This is merely an effort to prioritise the features which WILL be affecting and benefitting everyone that plays osu!.
When real money is involved, people will think twice before sponsoring crap. A suspected useless feature might just turn out to be hugely popular, and it deserves the opportunity to be heard.
Of course, denial would be fair if the burden of implementation is too harsh and it only receives little support.
Topic Starter
Think of it more as "denial before it gets popular". No matter how much support there is, some features which I am strongly against (you probably know a few, but there aren't that many) will not be implemented. And I mean not unless someone murdered me and stole my identity and code.MetalMario201 wrote:
When real money is involved, people will think twice before sponsoring crap. A suspected useless feature might just turn out to be hugely popular, and it deserves the opportunity to be heard.
Of course, denial would be fair if the burden of implementation is too harsh and it only receives little support.
That could be arrange- I mean, that would never happen.peppy wrote:
not unless someone murdered me and stole my identity and code.
I Really Really like this idea gives me something else to chuck money at other than supporter tags
@peppy after reading most of your replies, you've won me over... No harm in a way of sponsoring features and it'll only bring a cash incentive to get them done faster
*agrees*
*agrees*
After reading these answers i'm for 110% supporting this!peppy wrote:
Consider that osu! has been up to $3,000 in negative at the worst point in time which comes from my pocket, and I never even mentioned this until right now, I don't think you should have a concern for any kind of financial collapse. Leave the worrying to me unless I start telling you to worrynoxie wrote:
Make sure the site and game and everything won't run on the income of this... I've been on a site that failed now because they were running on donations and such and went way over budget with plans, This is what i never wanna see to happen with osu!A pattern like this would be obvious to stop before it got out of hand. That said, kids with access to amounts of money that would cause such a problem should not have access in the first place. ie. their parents should probably be showing more care.noxie wrote:
I highly disagree with this because teenagers could prioritize the wrong thing and use all of his/her money on osu! and spam everything.
So peppy? did any conclusion come out of this?
Can we expect to see this anytime soon?
I have couple features from my list that I honestly can't live without and would love to put my money into~
Can we expect to see this anytime soon?
I have couple features from my list that I honestly can't live without and would love to put my money into~
yeah, great idea
Wow, it's been four years since this?
My thoughts exactly.Azure_Kite wrote:
Wow, it's been four years since this?