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FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab
As the title suggest, how do you deal with patterns (Squares, triangles, pentagons, stars, line ( forward backward) ) that have a constant rotation to either side. I am not saying that i should be able to do such things with so little play time but i was wondering how do people actually deal with these things? Mostly all my plays are with maps that range from 4.5 to 5.5 stars and i have been able to hit most random just patterns with 3 5 6 7 9 etc notes, i usually hit squares, triangles (but not stars), that DO NOT ROTATE and only those that pop up ONCE. I guess this is what makes maps like Atama no Taisou/Rainbow Dash Likes Girls/Airman difficult to complete, it just **** with your brain ( I cant view rotating patterns as single circles and i just see myself moving my mouse in a circular motion or in a flow and not snapping anything. How do you psychologically get rid of this problem?

There are probably no tricks around these types of things but i still wanna hear your opinion, maybe i am not the only one that is having problems like these (and that is pretty stupid to say because i am not the only one >.<).

PLAY MORE INC.
Rewben2
996 posts
Joined November 2012
Rewben2
You called it, play more.

Anyways, pay attention to each circle and make sure you hit it before moving onto the next one. You need to read the pattern correctly in order to aim it, which will just come with practice.
MostDakka
79 posts
Joined March 2013
MostDakka
Dont look at it as a pattern.a Look only at next circle and focusa only on it. There is no tricka to it, its just hard to get used to.
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Bauxe
1,624 posts
Joined August 2012
Bauxe

FlyingKebab wrote:

Atama no Taisou/Rainbow Dash Likes Girls/Airman difficult to complete
Atama yes, other two, no.

Don't read them as patterns, read them as separate notes. Snap to the separate notes instead of doing rounded movement.

This shit is harder than it sounds though, I still can't do it.
Zare
1,512 posts
Joined March 2012
Zare
What makes Atama's squares hard is not the pattern in particular, it's just the ridiculous spacing.
When you reach a certain point, the pattern something is mapped in means less and less to you. If you can read it completely, what matters the most is the spacing and speed, really.

Sure there's some patterns with really weird angles that are somewhat hard to snap on, but that's all just a matter of practice
play Eighto for 1000 times, then you dont need to care about any kind of pattern anymore
FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab

Zare wrote:

play Eighto for 1000 times, then you dont need to care about any kind of pattern anymore
Since i don't mind playing maps like that i will give it a look. (The more i play maps like: Big Black, Scarlet Rose, Atama no Taisou, Everything Will Freeze, Rainbow Dash, Airman, Freedom Dive, Image Material Version O, Talent Shredder, the more i realize that the actual skill ceiling for the hardest maps isn't inhumanly big).

EDIT: Dude.... that is quite the map.
Zare
1,512 posts
Joined March 2012
Zare
No no no
you got me wrong

LOL
That was more of a general advice for when you're actually skileld enough to think about maps like Atama
in your current situation you're better of just ignoring maps of that level
Stick to stuff that's close to your limit or slightly above them to push yourself further
playing 7 star apeshit hardcore maps will not help you at rank 90k lol
FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab
I don't really mind playing maps like that because i run each of them at least once a day. I just like to play that way. If i feel that i have become good enough for some 4 star maps then i just try to FC them to get some PP but my main playground is 5 star section atm. I understand that accuracy is directly proportionate to reading ability in the essence that if you can read a map easily then you have enough time to focus on the song itself to get 300's. IMO playing 3.5/4.0 star maps in my eyes i just nothing more than PP farming.

EDIT: I remember when i first started out with NF Insanes i started keeping an average Accuracy i would get on the majority of maps i played which has progressed from 15% to 35% to 50% to about 60-70% now. Even though i am playing maps that are VERY out of my league i have learned to: Read more complex jumps, react faster to higher AR, stream faster and more accurately, START TO STOP BRAKING SLIDER MIDWAY (i still have this problem tbh and it kills me every time), make my general reading ability better. These maps have also pushed me to start single tapping instead of alternating (Because i had a bad habit of mashing with alternation, although that helped me with faster stream speeds)
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YukinoDesuDesu
164 posts
Joined April 2012
YukinoDesuDesu
you're doing the same thing i was doing, be aware you'll end up with trash acc/random errors this way.
FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab

Asiangodx2 wrote:

you're doing the same thing i was doing, be aware you'll end up with trash acc/random errors this way.
I can get over 90% accuracy in my comfort zone maps so accuracy is note a problem if i can read a map easily and i am not really worried about that at all.
MostDakka
79 posts
Joined March 2013
MostDakka
90% acc is low. try aiming for atleast 95% for starters. You should end up with acc of ~98% on maps which you can fc on one/few tries.
winber1
4,520 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
now with the new decimal settings, you could potentially try using high AR first then slowly decreasing to whatever the map AR is (generally 9) and practicing that way. generally higher ar makes patterns that are awkward to play easier.
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sayonara_sekai
376 posts
Joined November 2010
sayonara_sekai
yeah I feel liek shit if I get anything less than 96-97% in my 'comfort zone'. (unless its a 2009 map)
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

FlyingKebab wrote:

I can get over 90% accuracy in my comfort zone maps so accuracy is note a problem if i can read a map easily and i am not really worried about that at all.
90% is trash tho
winber1
4,520 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
there is only one accuracy that can be considered good: 100%
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

winber1 wrote:

there is only one accuracy that can be considered good: 100%
I agree!
Zare
1,512 posts
Joined March 2012
Zare
in fact, 90% implies a lot of breaks, 50s and misses
in such scores, talking about accuracy is redundant anyway, because it only really matters in FCs or really close-to-FC-scores
FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab
GoldenWolf somehow reminds me of one of my teachers who has an interesting personality: Act friendly and good but if i see the chance i will stab you in the back with a 3m steel pike. But maybe that is just me *giggle*. Anyways i am sure my accuracy will improve over time. I have only played for 3 weeks (Because i was in England/Scotland for 2 weeks after the first week of Osu). I don't expect to FC 98% 4 Star Insanes in 3 weeks tbh.

EDIT: Maybe it is just your avatar i dunno. But you give of that vibe to me for some reason :<.
Zare
1,512 posts
Joined March 2012
Zare
the point is you should learn to >98% 3 star hard maps before attempting to do the same on Insanes
MostDakka
79 posts
Joined March 2013
MostDakka
I know its boring to play 100 bpm ar7 3 stars but if you dont master the basics it will bite you later.
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

FlyingKebab wrote:

EDIT: Maybe it is just your avatar i dunno. But you give of that vibe to me for some reason :<.
I'm just being honest and direct, it's not like I'm even trying to be mean or whatever :<
FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab

Zare wrote:

in fact, 90% implies a lot of breaks, 50s and misses
in such scores, talking about accuracy is redundant anyway, because it only really matters in FCs or really close-to-FC-scores
That is actually a good point you got there.
Sophia
266 posts
Joined December 2013
Sophia
With the way you're going, just don't come out in a few weeks/months and post a new thread titled "I can't read low ARs" or something like that.
FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab

Dm1321 wrote:

With the way you're going, just don't come out in a few weeks/months and post a new thread titled "I can't read low ARs" or something like that.
Im sure DT and or HR would solve that problem.

EDIT: There aren't a lot of Low AR songs that are harder, even though i am not saying at I will not play low AR atm (But i can see how one would get that impression).
Seizure
53 posts
Joined June 2014
Seizure

Storm2344 wrote:

90% acc is low. try aiming for atleast 95% for starters. You should end up with acc of ~98% on maps which you can fc on one/few tries.
aw fuk bye

I feel like doing so would slow down progress quite a bit, would rather get pp from a map I can barely keep up with (just enough to keep combo somewhat). Would have to do significantly easier maps to get 98%, which isn't fun to play for me at least
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

Odbrah wrote:

aw fuk bye

I feel like doing so would slow down progress quite a bit, would rather get pp from a map I can barely keep up with (just enough to keep combo somewhat). Would have to do significantly easier maps to get 98%, which isn't fun to play for me at least
Yeah why bother practicing consistency when you can mash maps over your level.

The maps you can get 98% on at your actual level are obviously piss easy, so you don't realize yet, but they're far from all being easy. In fact, most maps I get 98% I consider them pretty challenging, else I'd get SS on them.
Seizure
53 posts
Joined June 2014
Seizure

GoldenWolf wrote:

Odbrah wrote:

aw fuk bye

I feel like doing so would slow down progress quite a bit, would rather get pp from a map I can barely keep up with (just enough to keep combo somewhat). Would have to do significantly easier maps to get 98%, which isn't fun to play for me at least
Yeah why bother practicing consistency when you can mash maps over your level.

The maps you can get 98% on at your actual level are obviously piss easy, so you don't realize yet, but they're far from all being easy. In fact, most maps I get 98% I consider them pretty challenging, else I'd get SS on them.
It's not so much mashing (other than some streams), it's more the speed that gets me. I like playing maps that i can barely reach the notes of in time, or that have some nice patterns/jumps. I'm not saying getting the acc would be easy by any means (because I seem to be musically retarded), just saying I'd be bored as hell.
wildcookie
70 posts
Joined February 2014
wildcookie

FlyingKebab wrote:

Dm1321 wrote:

With the way you're going, just don't come out in a few weeks/months and post a new thread titled "I can't read low ARs" or something like that.
Im sure DT and or HR would solve that problem.

EDIT: There aren't a lot of Low AR songs that are harder, even though i am not saying at I will not play low AR atm (But i can see how one would get that impression).
learning ar9.6+ is stupid at your rank, this will be the major mistake you would make. And there are plenty of low ar maps that are hard
Sophia
266 posts
Joined December 2013
Sophia
If you get to the point where you can read AR9 but can't read AR8, then you'll try tackling HR on AR8 and I am confident you'll have troubles reading any AR over 10 as well. Even one number can be quite the change.

I just don't want to see you stuck in a certain AR like some of the threads around here seem to be.
YukinoDesuDesu
164 posts
Joined April 2012
YukinoDesuDesu
at least he can't say he didn't get warned lol
FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab

Dm1321 wrote:

If you get to the point where you can read AR9 but can't read AR8, then you'll try tackling HR on AR8 and I am confident you'll have troubles reading any AR over 10 as well. Even one number can be quite the change.

I just don't want to see you stuck in a certain AR like some of the threads around here seem to be.
I can react to most AR9 maps already and AR8 isn't really different BUT AR7 is hell, it is very possible to get a good score but i just dont like waiting THAT long to click something. I guess it just comes down to finger control which i have not really achieved in only 3 weeks of playtime :3. (My ACC meter at the bottom shows i hit too fast a lot more often than too slow).

EDIT: Over 10? Do people really play AR 10.3 and AR11? (I don't really like AR10 itself and i find AR9 to be not too slow and not too fast (Im not saying this because i can't see AR10 (I can't click fast enough usually) but i think that AR10 is kind of overkill (And thats why I don't like HR)).
Sophia
266 posts
Joined December 2013
Sophia
I assume some do, and that's what you would be doing had you gone down the route of tossing HR in everything.
Also, AR just changes the speed that the hit circles are appearing on the screen, so you're going to be hitting them at the same speed as far as I know. It's a different story if you use DT, but I may be wrong. Regardless, if you can't play low AR that means you're just reacting to the circles and not really playing along with the Rhythm of the song, which is counter productive and eventually kills your accuracy anyway (osu! is, after all, a rhythm game.)

However, this is derailing the thread, and honestly, it's really your choice.
FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab
And here we unveil the core and soul source for most of the problems related to accuracy. I am not used to listening to complex rhythm patterns and I only listen to music for enjoyment. I guess with time I will understand and start feeling and hearing more complex beats related to vocals and background instruments. I think that this current inability is what's keeping me from good accuracy and there is no real way of getting better at rhythm sense than just playing more

Edit: it is better to derail a thread into another topic if I got answers to the original question than to create an entire new topic or topics for small questions .
GhostFrog
416 posts
Joined March 2013
GhostFrog
The thread no longer seems to be on the topic of the OP, but to respond anyway:

1) Don't play Atama Nogard, Gay Pony, and Airman at your current level
2) The main thing that makes the squares in Atama Nogard so hard is the fact that it's 240bpm and the squares (the first set, at least) have really large spacing. BUT the secondary thing that makes it so difficult is that they're AR9, which is considered low for 240bpm. Low AR makes things like squares (rotating squares even moreso!) harder to play because it makes it harder to snap. If you learn to read lower AR, it will make you more likely to be able to play patterns like that if/when you gain the necessary physical ability to snap to squares at 240bpm. The physical aspect of it is certainly the more difficult aspect to get used to, but don't underestimate the power of low AR.

I just like telling people to play low AR...
FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab
Would it be viable to slow down some of the maps i play to AR7 that have big spacing (Which isn't really a big problem) but not a lot of stuff on the screen? I don't think the screen would become very crowded, and it would still be low AR.

EDIT: Too much stuff on the screen nvm, i guess i will have to consider my inability to react to a lot of stuff on the screen as a weakness instead of a side necessity and fix the problem.
timemon
Beatmap Nominator
1,305 posts
Joined November 2012
timemon

Dm1321 wrote:

If you get to the point where you can read AR9 but can't read AR8, then you'll try tackling HR on AR8 and I am confident you'll have troubles reading any AR over 10 as well. Even one number can be quite the change.

I just don't want to see you stuck in a certain AR like some of the threads around here seem to be.
Playing on AR11 is like playing with FL on.
Btw, I can't play big black on AR8, 9, 10, and 11.

It's difficulty that matters.
Sophia
266 posts
Joined December 2013
Sophia
Big Black is a pretty bad map to give an example for.
FlyingKebab
339 posts
Joined July 2014
Topic Starter
FlyingKebab
Big black already has a lot of stuff with AR10 anything slower than that would make it impossible. (Although it is already almost impossible to read the sliders in that map, even players like thelewa have problems with that map (albeit not with accuracy ). I thought about it for a day and I can say that logically if you follow the song rhythm then ar is irrelevant completely, because rhythm is not a visual but an audible thing. I also understand and will reinforce my earlier statement as zare said if you can't fc or come close to fcing a map or in other words if you can not read a map well then accuracy is irrelevant at that point. I think accuracy comes as naturally as reading skills do.
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