I've always liked fitting speed changes in rhythm games every now and then, though when it's something like Pluto, it can get a little bit annoying.
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The use of SV: Love it or hate it?
I love it!
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58.90%
Sorry, I hate it so much. 
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41.10%
Total votes: 146
Yes 
as long as it's intuitive and not spammed, or random slow-downs for half the map etc
as long as it's intuitive and not spammed, or random slow-downs for half the map etcSV is really amusing. I love it.
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or LeaF - I and Fascination MAXX.. hahaMeseki wrote:
I've always liked fitting speed changes in rhythm games every now and then, though when it's something like Pluto, it can get a little bit annoying.
Yes, it's a bit annoying with all of the sudden changes that you can't keep up with but if you memorize it, you can tackle 'dem easily. But again, it's personal's choice if one wants to love it or just give up and ends with hate on SV.
if they fit the song they are fine ...
just hope noone gets shit ranked
just hope noone gets shit ranked
Meseki wrote:
I've always liked fitting speed changes in rhythm games every now and then, though when it's something like Pluto, it can get a little bit annoying.
Pluto is fun to play on DDR. So is FELM and FAXX. Chaos on the other hand...
SV is cool if done right; if it's done like chaos / smooch... blah.
I'm sorry I love it
I love SV. Trigger happy :3
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I really want a proper LeaF - I mapped in o!m. the autoconvert is just... weird.ishimaru94 wrote:
or LeaF - I and Fascination MAXX.. haha
Yes, it's a bit annoying with all of the sudden changes that you can't keep up with but if you memorize it, you can tackle 'dem easily. But again, it's personal's choice if one wants to love it or just give up and ends with hate on SV.
I'd love to map it when I'm done with End Time... we'll see.
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Tbh, if you look at original BMS of it, it's far more worse than the ranked ones here in terms of note density plus with unforgiving gimmicks/bumps. Really, you should look at it.kidlat020 wrote:
I really want a proper LeaF - I mapped in o!m. the autoconvert is just... weird.ishimaru94 wrote:
or LeaF - I and Fascination MAXX.. haha
Yes, it's a bit annoying with all of the sudden changes that you can't keep up with but if you memorize it, you can tackle 'dem easily. But again, it's personal's choice if one wants to love it or just give up and ends with hate on SV.
I love SV changes but only when used correctly. Gives off a nice effect to the notechart.
actually the bms one is quite easy to follow since the beats are consistent, there's a scratch before every slowdown so you know exactly where to expect the SV changes. in osu it just randomly happens with no warning and you must memorizeishimaru94 wrote:
Tbh, if you look at original BMS of it, it's far more worse than the ranked ones here in terms of note density plus with unforgiving gimmicks/bumps. Really, you should look at it.kidlat020 wrote:
I really want a proper LeaF - I mapped in o!m. the autoconvert is just... weird.
Can't play without SV changes.
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in that case, osu ones is harder then. hahaAqo wrote:
actually the bms one is quite easy to follow since the beats are consistent, there's a scratch before every slowdown so you know exactly where to expect the SV changes. in osu it just randomly happens with no warning and you must memorize
I don't really like them, but don't really hate 'em either. As long as they're rhythmically placed I guess it's fine. 
I don't mind it usually, unless it has random speed changes that make it almost impossible to play correctly just from actually listening to the tempo of the song.
I really like SV changes when fit with song well(example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/144699), But really really hate Meaningless SV changes.
sometimes SV changes work fine. sometimes it is just unnecessary and annoying, especially when a mapper is not aiming to add SV changes in a basis of making charts fun but only aiming to entertain himself lolChocoliti wrote:
I really like SV changes when fit with song well(example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/144699), But really really hate Meaningless SV changes.
SVs can add depth to an otherwise bland map in my opinion. They're very fun to play if they're readable and it feels very rewarding if you hit them right.
I try to share my love for SVs in my maps at least, hoping to convert some none-SV believers
I try to share my love for SVs in my maps at least, hoping to convert some none-SV believers
SV is the soul of a map (if it makes sense and is meaningful)
I kinda tested Leaf - I without any SV changes. it was horrible.
you just got to love dem bpm changes as long as it is flavorful.
you just got to love dem bpm changes as long as it is flavorful.
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Kinda fun sometimes ( but SV is smooooch is horrible xD)
All hail SVs (as long as it's not unreadable/random).
Well apparently I can FL Smooooch now, so I can't really complain that the SVs are impossible any more.
I don't like SVs from my experiences with osu!mania honestly.
I like SVs that I can actually see (means that speed is already halved or slowed down before any note falls and doesnt just randomly slowdown during play) and I haven't seen too many maps that have this kind of SVs afaik.
I like SVs that I can actually see (means that speed is already halved or slowed down before any note falls and doesnt just randomly slowdown during play) and I haven't seen too many maps that have this kind of SVs afaik.
Actually i love SV that can be read clearly, not the sudden SV .-.
SV is fun :3, especially on song that have speedy beat :3
SV is fun :3, especially on song that have speedy beat :3
what is sv? slider velocity? no so why do 2 different things from the same game osu have the same acronym or whatever u call it?
SV means slider velocity. In osu!mania slider velocity changes the speed that the notes move, but without hanging the actual BPM.iderekmc wrote:
what is sv? slider velocity? no so why do 2 different things from the same game osu have the same acronym or whatever u call it?
Because It can make the map more nicer and awesome.
A map without SV (If the song is needed a SV changes) is like a person without soul in his/or her heart.
A map without SV (If the song is needed a SV changes) is like a person without soul in his/or her heart.
For me as player, playing a mania-beatmap (notechart, -red) with SV changes (everywhere) is more challenging than a beatmap without SV change. I don't know why but because I'm pumper (Pump It Up player) who like tricky stepcharts, I like SV changes in mania-beatmap too.
For me as mapper, making SV changes it's so good. But it's hard too for making a beatmap be full-gimmick or tricky map.
For me as mapper, making SV changes it's so good. But it's hard too for making a beatmap be full-gimmick or tricky map.
Tbh i like SV Changes as long it's not overused (like they did in Smooch)
It's fun though.
It's fun though.
I hate having to spam a map to understand the song's SV changes, in all honesty. I can play the song fine if the rhythm isn't fucked around with. Why not normalize the map?
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I can understand actual SV changes. You know, when a song's ACTUAL BPM changes. But maps like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/144959 should NOT be ranked. Especially due to SV changes on the last few hold notes on the MX variant. SV changes on the end notes just to fuck up HD or FL players? Serious? Disappointing, not necessary. If they had any purpose other than to fuck with the player, then I'd be fine. Only if the changes were even beneficial in the first place...
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I can understand SV changes, just when well used. But it seems very often that people misuse the FUCK out of SV changes. So I don't vote.
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I can understand actual SV changes. You know, when a song's ACTUAL BPM changes. But maps like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/144959 should NOT be ranked. Especially due to SV changes on the last few hold notes on the MX variant. SV changes on the end notes just to fuck up HD or FL players? Serious? Disappointing, not necessary. If they had any purpose other than to fuck with the player, then I'd be fine. Only if the changes were even beneficial in the first place...
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I can understand SV changes, just when well used. But it seems very often that people misuse the FUCK out of SV changes. So I don't vote.
I hate it here. It seems like 90% of the charts ranked with SV changes don't even know how to properly calculate the proper speed and when to put the change to make it smooth. People should learn how to make speed changes in BMS by using actual BPMs first imo.
Suddenly putting "25% then off to 75% then to 100%" is just plain bad.
Suddenly putting "25% then off to 75% then to 100%" is just plain bad.
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Normalize the map can be achieve with another map mapped by the same/other mapper with no SV changes at all than the ranked ones.CephiCC wrote:
I hate having to spam a map to understand the song's SV changes, in all honesty. I can play the song fine if the rhythm isn't fucked around with. Why not normalize the map?
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It's mapper's choice of using SV changes and if he purposedly want to fk with the player, then let it be. The only resolution, get a mapper to map same song but with no SV changes at all or map it yourself.CephiCC wrote:
I can understand actual SV changes. You know, when a song's ACTUAL BPM changes. But maps like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/144959 should NOT be ranked. Especially due to SV changes on the last few hold notes on the MX variant. SV changes on the end notes just to fuck up HD or FL players? Serious? Disappointing, not necessary. If they had any purpose other than to fuck with the player, then I'd be fine. Only if the changes were even beneficial in the first place...
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Again, it's mapper's choice. SV changes can be violently used or vice versa depending to the mapper's purpose on his/her map.CephiCC wrote:
I can understand SV changes, just when well used. But it seems very often that people misuse the FUCK out of SV changes. So I don't vote.
It's true that some mappers didn't calculate exactly to normalize with the SV changes that the map should be properly used. But, then again, it's mapper's choice whether it's purposely made or vice versa. Some strange SV changes made can be considered as a deadly or makes the map beautifully well-designed.onehundred1 wrote:
I hate it here. It seems like 90% of the charts ranked with SV changes don't even know how to properly calculate the proper speed and when to put the change to make it smooth. People should learn how to make speed changes in BMS by using actual BPMs first imo.
Suddenly putting "25% then off to 75% then to 100%" is just plain bad.
Are you stupid or something?egas00 wrote:
or you didn't know the song it self .
Do you even know what I'm talking about here?
It's mapper's choice of using SV changes and if he purposedly want to fk with the player, then let it be. The only resolution, get a mapper to map same song but with no SV changes at all or map it yourself.No. shit. It's just frustrating to see SV changes used incorrectly(subjective).
Verbatim ranking guidelines:
"Using SV changes are allowed only if there is a significant change in the music's mood/pace/theme. Magnitude of SV changes are up to mapper's discretion."Yeah it's the mapper's discretion, but at the end of the song I linked, there is NO change in mood/pace or theme.
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If you think that it's incorrectly used, then I have nothing to say. It's your choice whether to love it or not anyway.
Correct, Incorrect..
I think the issue here is there's nothing particularily accepted as "correct".
I have a technical definition of "correct", but always try and be flexible when it comes to SV changes.
It seems that a lot of players here just plain don't like SV changes that put them off and would rather not see them used as elements that add to the difficulty, only as decorations.
There's a time and place for everything though, you might disagree with Death Moon's speed of death, but that does not make it any worse for people that liked that speedup for any particular reason.
In other words, you could aim for a majority, and map effect-only SV changes that have no relevance in gameplay, or you could go for a minority, and map SV changes that impact the gameplay on a meaningful way.
It's not a thing of "correct" or "incorrect" guys, you're just not the audience for those SV changes you consider incorrect
Needless to say, there are playable and unplayable SV changes- you wouldn't use a fixed 10 for anything other than a gimmick of sorts, meaning you probably wouldn't use it for a long section (or anything above 1.2x in my personal preference, which I explained in the SV changes guide with a few guidelines for when you don't know what to do)
So instead of calling SV changes that affect gameplay in a meaningful way "incorrect", just accept that you don't like it, play something else, and just don't bash it- just because it's not for you doesn't mean it's not for anyone. The real boundaries should be playable/unplayable, not correct/incorrect, always having a criteria of course of what you're doing.
And no. "Fits the music" is never a good criteria. Ever.
I think the issue here is there's nothing particularily accepted as "correct".
I have a technical definition of "correct", but always try and be flexible when it comes to SV changes.
It seems that a lot of players here just plain don't like SV changes that put them off and would rather not see them used as elements that add to the difficulty, only as decorations.
There's a time and place for everything though, you might disagree with Death Moon's speed of death, but that does not make it any worse for people that liked that speedup for any particular reason.
In other words, you could aim for a majority, and map effect-only SV changes that have no relevance in gameplay, or you could go for a minority, and map SV changes that impact the gameplay on a meaningful way.
It's not a thing of "correct" or "incorrect" guys, you're just not the audience for those SV changes you consider incorrect
Needless to say, there are playable and unplayable SV changes- you wouldn't use a fixed 10 for anything other than a gimmick of sorts, meaning you probably wouldn't use it for a long section (or anything above 1.2x in my personal preference, which I explained in the SV changes guide with a few guidelines for when you don't know what to do)
So instead of calling SV changes that affect gameplay in a meaningful way "incorrect", just accept that you don't like it, play something else, and just don't bash it- just because it's not for you doesn't mean it's not for anyone. The real boundaries should be playable/unplayable, not correct/incorrect, always having a criteria of course of what you're doing.
And no. "Fits the music" is never a good criteria. Ever.
Agka has the right idea.
Beatmapping is an inherently artistic and creative expression by the mapper, and thus there is no right or wrong.
Everyone has their own tastes, and not everyone enjoys the same things. Ranking criteria should be as lenient as possible in order to accommodate the widest range of tastes possible.
"Using SV changes are allowed only if there is a significant change in the music's mood/pace/theme. Magnitude of SV changes are up to mapper's discretion."This is under the Guidelines section, meaning it is not an absolute rule, so breaking it will not automatically disqualify a map from being ranked. Furthermore, I believe that the vague term theme emphasized in the above text can be interpreted as meaning a theme that the mapper decided upon. If the use of SVs is demonstrably following a theme, then I believe it's entirely possible to justify the sort of use of SVs you are attacking.
Beatmapping is an inherently artistic and creative expression by the mapper, and thus there is no right or wrong.
Everyone has their own tastes, and not everyone enjoys the same things. Ranking criteria should be as lenient as possible in order to accommodate the widest range of tastes possible.
It's pretty sad that this is the public opinion about SV changes
Oh well time to fix that
Oh well time to fix that
This http://osu.ppy.sh/s/164310 lel Aim for rank!! I don't care if even they dislike this map if this is ranked :3