*rants rants rants rants*
Proceeds to say..
it's not like i care anyway or it's not like it matters to me anyway

Are they stupid?

because engaging in conversations and not only making threads about yourself and exclusively your experiences is fun

Polyspora wrote:

because engaging in conversations and not only making threads about yourself and exclusively your experiences is fun

bruh
you totally missed the big dot

caring about everything you talk about is exhausting

Scyla wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

because engaging in conversations and not only making threads about yourself and exclusively your experiences is fun

bruh
you totally missed the big dot

me retarded sorry lord scyla

xch00F wrote:

caring about everything you talk about is exhausting

if it's exhausting
why do someone writes loads of rant to another person then proceeds to say that it's not like it matters to him/her?

Polyspora wrote:

Scyla wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

because engaging in conversations and not only making threads about yourself and exclusively your experiences is fun

bruh
you totally missed the big dot

me retarded sorry lord scyla

forgiven

Scyla wrote:

xch00F wrote:

caring about everything you talk about is exhausting

if it's exhausting
why do someone writes loads of rant to another person then proceeds to say that it's not like it matters to him/her?

to socialize and kill time

Polyspora wrote:

Scyla wrote:

xch00F wrote:

caring about everything you talk about is exhausting

if it's exhausting
why do someone writes loads of rant to another person then proceeds to say that it's not like it matters to him/her?

to socialize and kill time

i just see it a lot in online mostly in discord
aren't people who does that are just spineless?

Scyla wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

Scyla wrote:

xch00F wrote:

caring about everything you talk about is exhausting

if it's exhausting
why do someone writes loads of rant to another person then proceeds to say that it's not like it matters to him/her?

to socialize and kill time

i just see it a lot in online mostly in discord
aren't people who does that are just spineless?

are sure you're using "spineless" correctly?

if so, can you give me a definition because I cant see how spineless works here

Polyspora wrote:

Scyla wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

Scyla wrote:

xch00F wrote:

caring about everything you talk about is exhausting

if it's exhausting
why do someone writes loads of rant to another person then proceeds to say that it's not like it matters to him/her?

to socialize and kill time

i just see it a lot in online mostly in discord
aren't people who does that are just spineless?

are sure you're using "spineless" correctly?

if so, can you give me a definition because I cant see how spineless works here

someone writes a load of crap to another person but when he gets a rebutal or a feed he/she just says "it's not like it matters to me"
that is spineless, no balls

Scyla wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

Scyla wrote:

Polyspora wrote:

Scyla wrote:

xch00F wrote:

caring about everything you talk about is exhausting

if it's exhausting
why do someone writes loads of rant to another person then proceeds to say that it's not like it matters to him/her?

to socialize and kill time

i just see it a lot in online mostly in discord
aren't people who does that are just spineless?

are sure you're using "spineless" correctly?

if so, can you give me a definition because I cant see how spineless works here

someone writes a load of crap to another person but when he gets a rebutal or a feed he/she just says "it's not like it matters to me"
that is spineless, no balls

oh yeah for sure

Scyla wrote:

xch00F wrote:

caring about everything you talk about is exhausting

if it's exhausting
why do someone writes loads of rant to another person then proceeds to say that it's not like it matters to him/her?

no idea what actual exact contexts you're drawing patterns from, but...

i can generally sympathize with someone like them in general, but especially if it's from a form of passive regret, or to some lesser extent if it's a way to catch the weight of what they're sharing with you and deflect it from themself from a kind of fear of consequence

mmn, perhaps you can argue it's a "lack of spine", whether or not there ever was pushback after a "rant". i can't particularly evaluate that myself, but

i imagine, it could be that sometimes people are human? or more specifically, it's not particularly uncommon for someone to be self-conscious, even in a half-assed sense of doing something but then making an obligatory comment to soften it. sometimes a person first thinks about achieving catharsis-- for example, ranting about people ranting-- but then after looking back, they might find that they don't really mean to be accusatory or appear "unreasonable" or antagonistic in some way, they may not have meant harm or they just did not know how else to describe something as appearing stupid/unfair/lamentable to them

there is some plausible scenario where maybe they trust you enough to describe these experiences? but this is pretty complicated in general because, if i can be trite for a moment, human behavior is... sympathetically and understandably pretty complicated in general, and that can be pretty disappointing and exhausting when you're not that person in order to understand what to do with their words and grievances

i don't particularly care if someone is "spineless" or if they "[have] no balls", colloquially speaking. it doesn't seem meaningful to critique the person in front of me for this, i'd rather fixate specifically on their points and their approach and see if there's any way i can be of emotional comfort or if i have any remotely applicable advice. if not, then i guess i can just sincerely offer what sympathies i have

hmmn. maybe i'm just not well-informed, or maybe i just don't encounter this with the specific people i selectively choose to stay around? i wonder if there's more to your experience than you're describing that might at least contextualize this better

...like, what do you feel? does it mean something in particular to you that makes it frustrating when they say this?

they're talking about the shit where someone vents about something but ends up saying something ignorant/dumb and if/when they get push back for that dumb shit, they deflect
I don't care about pop music but I like talking about it. probably because I don't care about it

i honestly think that i believe that i humbly accept your request to discuss about this thing that i hope that

sorry it's not like i care anyway or it's not like it matters to me anyway

xch00F wrote:

they're talking about the shit where someone vents about something but ends up saying something ignorant/dumb and if/when they get push back for that dumb shit, they deflect
I don't care about pop music but I like talking about it. probably because I don't care about it

so, ranting not as in "i feel this shit is really stupid" in which we would be taking that rant itself to be "ignorant dumb shit", but more something like specifically a Confidently Wrong impression or conclusion that they resort to from a sort of heuristic intuition?

i can kind of get the frustration? but there seem to be plausible ways of understanding it without particularly faulting them, while still acknowledging probable consequence for what it means for them to be saying something ignorant

...this critique of my own doesn't seem totally helpful either, actually. i think to adopt this would require assuming something like "i believe i don't need to be faulting or blaming people for something that they've done that causes or complicates a problem, particularly if it seems to have a context that enables this instead of it being solely and thoroughly from their own volition for malice", which might be a bit specific and idealistic and... honestly i assume probably not that helpful in day-to-day life, i use it because it seems to apply well enough for the specific people i've been acquainted with, both here on the forums and elsewhere online

Another good take, like all scyla posts

i've seen that thing too, of wanting to discuss something or get into something, but then shying away from actually taking responsability of what you said, i'm guilty of this in the past, but i'm trying to change this for the better

another thing i've seen happen is whenever there is a societal accepted answer or belief to something and you say "Both side has good points", like, if you claim that both sides have good points, you're clearly smoking something

I can't find the post I was going to use as an example for this, maybe it got deleted, but it was a tweet by an US politician that said "I'm not going to take sides on 9/11", the act of staying neutral there is actually really bad since you're saying that the conspiracy theorists may have a point

Achromalia wrote:

Scyla wrote:

xch00F wrote:

caring about everything you talk about is exhausting

if it's exhausting
why do someone writes loads of rant to another person then proceeds to say that it's not like it matters to him/her?

no idea what actual exact contexts you're drawing patterns from, but...

i can generally sympathize with someone like them in general, but especially if it's from a form of passive regret, or to some lesser extent if it's a way to catch the weight of what they're sharing with you and deflect it from themself from a kind of fear of consequence

mmn, perhaps you can argue it's a "lack of spine", whether or not there ever was pushback after a "rant". i can't particularly evaluate that myself, but

i imagine, it could be that sometimes people are human? or more specifically, it's not particularly uncommon for someone to be self-conscious, even in a half-assed sense of doing something but then making an obligatory comment to soften it. sometimes a person first thinks about achieving catharsis-- for example, ranting about people ranting-- but then after looking back, they might find that they don't really mean to be accusatory or appear "unreasonable" or antagonistic in some way, they may not have meant harm or they just did not know how else to describe something as appearing unfair/lamentable to them

there is some plausible scenario where maybe they trust you enough to describe these experiences? but this is pretty complicated in general because, if i can be trite for a moment, human behavior is... sympathetically and understandably pretty complicated in general, and that can be pretty disappointing and exhausting when you're not that person in order to understand what to do with their words and grievances

i don't particularly care if someone is "spineless" or if they "[have] no balls", colloquially speaking. it doesn't seem meaningful to critique the person in front of me for this, i'd rather fixate specifically on their points and their approach and see if there's any way i can be of emotional comfort or if i have any remotely-applicable advice. if not, then i guess i can just sincerely offer what sympathies i have

hmmn. maybe i'm just not well-informed, or maybe i just don't encounter this with the specific people i selectively choose to stay around? i wonder if there's more to your experience than you're describing that might at least contextualize this better

- Marco - wrote:

i honestly think that i believe that i humbly accept your request to discuss about this thing that i hope that

sorry it's not like i care anyway or it's not like it matters to me anyway

this, it's like you wanna start a fight but is scared of fights

Achromalia wrote:

xch00F wrote:

they're talking about the shit where someone vents about something but ends up saying something ignorant/dumb and if/when they get push back for that dumb shit, they deflect
I don't care about pop music but I like talking about it. probably because I don't care about it

so, ranting not as in "i feel this shit is really stupid" in which we would be taking that rant itself to be "ignorant dumb shit", but more something like specifically a Confidently Wrong impression or conclusion that they resort to from a sort of heuristic intuition?

i can kind of get the frustration? but there seem to be plausible ways of understanding it without particularly faulting them, while still acknowledging probable consequence for what it means for them to be saying something ignorant

...this critique of my own doesn't seem totally helpful either, actually. i think to adopt this would require assuming something like "i believe i don't need to be faulting or blaming people for something that they've done that causes or complicates a problem, particularly if it seems to have a context that enables this instead of it being solely and thoroughly from their own volition for malice", which might be a bit specific and idealistic and... honestly i assume probably not that helpful in day-to-day life, i use it because it seems to apply well enough for the specific people i've been acquainted with, both here on the forums and elsewhere online

i mean it's their lives of something, it's not like i care tbh

Patatitta wrote:

Another good take, like all scyla posts

i've seen that thing too, of wanting to discuss something or get into something, but then shying away from actually taking responsability of what you said, i'm guilty of this in the past, but i'm trying to change this for the better

another thing i've seen happen is whenever there is a societal accepted answer or belief to something and you say "Both side has good points", like, if you claim that both sides have good points, you're clearly smoking something

I can't find the post I was going to use as an example for this, maybe it got deleted, but it was a tweet by an US politician that said "I'm not going to take sides on 9/11", the act of staying neutral there is actually really bad since you're saying that the conspiracy theorists may have a point

i've lost count on how many times i've seen it and the outcomes are always the same
- sour relationship and regular shading

lots of people have opinions. lots of people are afraid of what others think about them. lots of people just want their rant to be told "you are heard and I agree". As soon as that last statement goes to, "i dont agree and heres why", it turns into shying away because they *actually* dont believe in it enough.

hmmn. i don't quite know how to absorb this. to me this exists as like, separate systems of evaluating people somehow

but also not?? it's like, modular elements of how we understand and sympathize with people, or of how we instead make decisions about people

for scyla, i'll have to apologize and state i don't really understand what you're saying exactly but i'm reasonably confident you're seeing something significant/meaningful that i'm just missing entirely, but i seem to believe i understand "the outcomes are always the same-- the relationship is soured, and shade is regularly thrown" to some limited amount...

that seems fair enough, my intuitive guess is that it's possibly the ambiguous tension of having things unresolved after walking a statement back, but then deciding that means something about the person they ranted to or the people they ranted about

Blushing wrote:

lots of people have opinions. lots of people are afraid of what others think about them. lots of people just want their rant to be told "you are heard and I agree". As soon as that last statement goes to, "i dont agree and heres why", it turns into shying away because they *actually* dont believe in it enough.

i generally understand this take best (or maybe i didnt read the other comments that thoroughly yet? i'm sure i read them, but, idk)

i imagine this is sorta close enough to the frame i think of it from, although i hold the last sentence as moreso being one possibility of many and that in being possible it still probably would not be easy for me to evaluate. i think i just tend to justify people a lot when i believe there's some kind of ground for them to stand on and i believe in them to grow. again, i could also be biased because of the friends i keep and my moderate unfamiliarity with socialization in general

its not like i care or anything... b-b-baka!!!

"it's not like i care anyway"

"it's not like it matters to me anyway"

Blushing wrote:

lots of people have opinions. lots of people are afraid of what others think about them. lots of people just want their rant to be told "you are heard and I agree". As soon as that last statement goes to, "i dont agree and heres why", it turns into shying away because they *actually* dont believe in it enough.

Saying it out loud also exposes some of your mishaps in judgement too and some will critique you for it, thus you learn whatever you were mad/annoyed about was actually more benign in nature.

Yes. They are. Lack of self-awareness is a great indicator of lack of intelligence.