Can we clarify this statement a bit? "can be understood by the player" is quite ambiguous.SapphireGhost wrote:
Mapsets with a complete set of custom difficulty names that can be understood by the player are also acceptable.
Doesn't this also allow mapsets such as Easy / Normal / Hard / Rin / RLC / Skystar / 0108 / Nogard / Lesjuh / Nold? I thought that's what we were trying to avoid.SapphireGhost wrote:
So now Easy / Normal / Hard / Special / RLC is acceptable, and the two specially named difficulties are assumed to be Insane/Extra level. This allows guest difficulties to also use custom names without confusing the player.
My thoughts exactly.Blue Dragon wrote:
Doesn't this also allow mapsets such as Easy / Normal / Hard / Rin / RLC / Skystar / 0108 / Nogard / Lesjuh / Nold? I thought that's what we were trying to avoid.SapphireGhost wrote:
So now Easy / Normal / Hard / Special / RLC is acceptable, and the two specially named difficulties are assumed to be Insane/Extra level. This allows guest difficulties to also use custom names without confusing the player.
I'd restrict it to one difficulty, whether it's the mapper's or a GDSapphireGhost wrote:
Okay, let's try revising again with the new feedback.A difficulty's name must indicate its level of difficulty, with the exception of the hardest level of difficulty in the set. The mapper's hardest difficulty and guest difficulties of a similar level may use custom difficulty names. Mapsets with a complete set of custom difficulty names that can be understood by the player are also acceptable. Marathon maps with a single difficulty are allowed free naming.So now Easy / Normal / Hard / Special / RLC is acceptable, and the two specially named difficulties are assumed to be Insane/Extra level. This allows guest difficulties to also use custom names without confusing the player.
tbh who can always tell exactly which of the Insane diffs are harder and should be marked with harder names?Blue Dragon wrote:
Doesn't this also allow mapsets such as Easy / Normal / Hard / Rin / RLC / Skystar / 0108 / Nogard / Lesjuh / Nold? I thought that's what we were trying to avoid.SapphireGhost wrote:
So now Easy / Normal / Hard / Special / RLC is acceptable, and the two specially named difficulties are assumed to be Insane/Extra level. This allows guest difficulties to also use custom names without confusing the player.
Why should this be not allowed, though? I think it looks a lot better than Easy / Normal / Hard / Rin's Insane / RLC's Insane / Skystar's Insane / 0108's Insane / Nogard's Insane / Lesjuh's Insane / Nold's Insane mapset, which is just as confusing. The rule only allows special naming for the hardest level, so anyone can easily tell that the special name means the hardest difficulty level, with different mappers mapping them. And by removing the repetitive "Insane" or "Extra" in the difficulty name, the difficulty names looks a lot cleaner and easier to read.Blue Dragon wrote:
Doesn't this also allow mapsets such as Easy / Normal / Hard / Rin / RLC / Skystar / 0108 / Nogard / Lesjuh / Nold? I thought that's what we were trying to avoid.SapphireGhost wrote:
So now Easy / Normal / Hard / Special / RLC is acceptable, and the two specially named difficulties are assumed to be Insane/Extra level. This allows guest difficulties to also use custom names without confusing the player.
Should be finalized already, isn't it?SapphireGhost wrote:
February 26, 2014 Edit: Since the tentative deadline has been reached, the rule will be set to go into the Ranking Criteria in about a week should no groundbreaking counterarguments arise. For the time being, difficulty naming that follows this pending rule should be deemed as acceptable. Lastly and as always, everything is up for discussion again once the new star system is implemented and its accuracy can be determined.
dkun wrote:
has anyone notified peppy about this?
"what if Lunatic becomes a mapper"No Dap wrote:
I was discussing this in #kroean... and got some interesting questions.
What if the mapper's username is related to a difficulty? for example, Fast, Death, etc.
Will they be able to use their username as a diff name?
If not, wouldn't that be unfair because other people get to use 'Fast' or 'Death' as their diff name but they don't?
the answer can literally be found in peppy's post last pageColdTooth wrote:
So I could name a difficulty "Demented" if a song is called "Demented Cupcakes"? Sorry for the dumb question.
yes it is allowed, if it is the hardest diff in the mapsetpeppy wrote:
Okay then here's my only compromise: You can name the highest difficulty something tastefully different from the rest under the following conditions:
It can't be a username, or anything related to a username.
The other difficulties should make sense in an increasing scale way, as previously discussed.
My goal here is to avoid the difficulty name becoming a way of determining the mapper. This is an unintended use and I will never stand for it.
I think it should be fine? Play of the normal difficulty names still show the level of difficultyLuna wrote:
What if I suddenly started mapping standard diffs and called them Luna-tic, would that be okay? =P
Also, RIP Nogard, 0180 and others~
As long as the difficulty name makes sense (ie: Normal/Hard/Insane/Death), then I say this would be okay.No Dap wrote:
I was discussing this in #kroean... and got some interesting questions.
What if the mapper's username is related to a difficulty? for example, Fast, Death, etc.
Will they be able to use their username as a diff name?
If not, wouldn't that be unfair because other people get to use 'Fast' or 'Death' as their diff name but they don't?
This would be okay, yes.ColdTooth wrote:
So I could name a difficulty "Demented" if a song is called "Demented Cupcakes"? Sorry for the dumb question.
Still related to a username that doesn't fit with No Dap's view. I would say no.CXu wrote:
So what about Amamiya Yuko's use of "Skystar"?or if I suddenly decided to name my hardest diff shoe
It's only related to his previous username.
This would be fine, yes. Fits with No Dap's view.Luna wrote:
What if I suddenly started mapping standard diffs and called them Luna-tic, would that be okay? =P
Also, RIP Nogard, 0180 and others~
Does this mean that if I want to give all my Extras the same name (i.e. I name all my Extras [Origin] and have a regular ENHI spread besides that) it's still against the rules, because that way you can determine that it was me mapping that diff? It wouldn't be related to my username, but it would still be something I do consistently, so in the end it'd be the same thing as [0108] or [Rin]. This question would mostly apply to difficulties like [Nogard], everybody knows it's BD's difficulty, but I don't see how it's related to his username.peppy wrote:
Okay then here's my only compromise: You can name the highest difficulty something tastefully different from the rest under the following conditions:
It can't be a username, or anything related to a username.
The other difficulties should make sense in an increasing scale way, as previously discussed.
My goal here is to avoid the difficulty name becoming a way of determining the mapper. This is an unintended use and I will never stand for it.
-Scylla- wrote:
This question would mostly apply to difficulties like [Nogard], everybody knows it's BD's difficulty, but I don't see how it's related to his username.
Sorry for not knowing that. Just meant it as an example.Blue Dragon wrote:
-Scylla- wrote:
This question would mostly apply to difficulties like [Nogard], everybody knows it's BD's difficulty, but I don't see how it's related to his username.
seriously.
I think that this will make a lot of people happier! It sounds like a fair compromise.peppy wrote:
Okay then here's my only compromise: You can name the highest difficulty something tastefully different from the rest under the following conditions:
It can't be a username, or anything related to a username.
The other difficulties should make sense in an increasing scale way, as previously discussed.
My goal here is to avoid the difficulty name becoming a way of determining the mapper. This is an unintended use and I will never stand for it.
I guess you're talking about https://osu.ppy.sh/s/128554 . Well, shouldn't be ranked because it's not related to the username nor to the song. I am not sure how this works with cases like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/44750 : when the hardest Difficulty is related to the song title.Tess wrote:
What about diffs like tutuhaha's "Dance"? They aren't related to his username, but when I see [Dance] I know it's a tutuhaha Extra. How would that work?
He didn't say it has to be related to the song title, though.Stefan wrote:
I guess you're talking about https://osu.ppy.sh/s/128554 . Well, shouldn't be ranked because it's not related to the username nor to the song. I am not sure how this works with cases like https://osu.ppy.sh/s/44750 : when the hardest Difficulty is related to the song title.
Now, I guess you could say that "Dance" became related to his username because he uses it in the same way as [0108], but that would basically mean that you're not allowed to use the same diff name for two Extras, regardless of whether it's related to your username or not (because if you always use the same diff name for your Extras, it still becomes a way of identifying you). I was just asking for clarification on this matter, it'll probably just be that things like [Dance] wouldn't be allowed for tutuhaha, but wouldn't that be taking it a bit far?peppy wrote:
Okay then here's my only compromise: You can name the highest difficulty something tastefully different from the rest under the following conditions:
It can't be a username, or anything related to a username.
The other difficulties should make sense in an increasing scale way, as previously discussed.
My goal here is to avoid the difficulty name becoming a way of determining the mapper. This is an unintended use and I will never stand for it.
I agree, but I feel like that rule still isn't very clear, and that can only lead to (unnecessary) problems in the future, since users will just start arguing about what it means while nobody actually knows, since it was never defined. It doesn't mention anything about repetitive custom difficulty names unrelated to the mapper's nickname, that are still a way to identify the mapper. I already mentioned tutuhaha's [Dance], but I recall Kyshiro using repetitive custom diff names for an entire set (Fine, Superior, Exquisite, Epic). Those became unrankable since it's (apparently) not very clear which difficulty is which, but if a mapper came up with four rankable custom diff names that they use in all their sets, that would also be a way of identifying the mapper.silmarilen wrote:
you guys are way overthinking this
vahn10 wrote:
about the user name Hard if that particular user made a guest diff into a particular map and it is a hard diff.
How it will be that particular diff called?
on the previous page. Anyway, she is calling her Hard GDs as Hard's Hard.Loctav wrote:
Use your common sense
I doubt it gets troublesome if the user "Lunatic" calls hid hardest difficulty "Lunatic".
There is also the user "Hard". Don't worry about that.
How is a very hard Difficulty related to the name how it's getting called?Chloe wrote:
you must know some diffs were made for only a few pros and they can know it well, the true reason we used it is not for let more players know us and we become famous since something like creator's name/Skystar's xxx is enough.
we just,
"uh, this is my best work"
"uh, I was so satisfied with it"
so there'd be Rin/0108/Skystar
will be sad to see those difficulty names go as well known and established they areChloe wrote:
you must know some diffs were made for only a few pros and they can know it well, the true reason we used it is not for let more players know us and we become famous since something like creator's name/Skystar's xxx is enough.
we just,
"uh, this is my best work"
"uh, I was so satisfied with it"
so there'd be Rin/0108/Skystar
That's what I'm thinking about! I'm just not so sureStefan wrote:
Anyway, she is calling her Hard GDs as Hard's Hard.
All notable examples are listed here.dkun wrote:
By the way, this is only the highest diff, and the highest diff alone, regardless of guests.As long as the difficulty name makes sense (ie: Normal/Hard/Insane/Death), then I say this would be okay.No Dap wrote:
I was discussing this in #kroean... and got some interesting questions.
What if the mapper's username is related to a difficulty? for example, Fast, Death, etc.
Will they be able to use their username as a diff name?
If not, wouldn't that be unfair because other people get to use 'Fast' or 'Death' as their diff name but they don't?This would be okay, yes.ColdTooth wrote:
So I could name a difficulty "Demented" if a song is called "Demented Cupcakes"? Sorry for the dumb question.Still related to a username that doesn't fit with No Dap's view. I would say no.CXu wrote:
So what about Amamiya Yuko's use of "Skystar"?or if I suddenly decided to name my hardest diff shoe
It's only related to his previous username.This would be fine, yes. Fits with No Dap's view.Luna wrote:
What if I suddenly started mapping standard diffs and called them Luna-tic, would that be okay? =P
Also, RIP Nogard, 0180 and others~
Following this, I'm going to amend the rule's wording (at the end considering Marathon maps).peppy wrote:
Okay then here's my only compromise: You can name the highest difficulty something tastefully different from the rest under the following conditions:
It can't be a username, or anything related to a username.
The other difficulties should make sense in an increasing scale way, as previously discussed.
My goal here is to avoid the difficulty name becoming a way of determining the mapper. This is an unintended use and I will never stand for it.
