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Mirror Mod and Near poetic reasons implementation is a must.

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bwross
Brain lateralization (aka left-brain vs right-brain) is probably not a factor here, it's seldom actually a factor in anything (regardless of what many people think). If it was, I'd be spinning withershins. There is a preference for direction of rotation and diagonal, but that's just a personal thing with some bias for handedness. But it's not really a good reason for doing this in my opinion, because a good mapper shouldn't be mapping in a way that shows a preference. Ideally, it would be nice if this was checked somewhere in the moderation process, but it isn't really so important. Just know mappers, that there is at least one person that gets a kick out of seeing a map where the approaches to spinners have been made in opposite directions. And given my predilection for that sort of thing, I can't really support mirroring because of it... because it would be pointless in a world where all maps are neutral to the effect.

I'm certainly not buying it on the ideal of "useability". The left handed people I know have long since learned how to use a pair of right handed scissors with their left hand (whereas my cross dominance leads me to try using them left handed and failing because I can only use them mirrored from how I use them in my right). Some have even pointed out their dislike for using left handed ones (or even a mouse on the left side)... they've simply adapted to doing it offhand to the point that they gained cross dominance with the tool. In any case, the factor is too minor here to interfere with usability... it's an easy skill to learn to be effectively neutral (if not totally), unless you're being forced to play offhand (I did this for a while).
jesse1412

Alchemi wrote:

I haven't really noticed much difference between a map and an H-flipped version, to be honest. I thought it might help, and a certain map, since I have problems with a certain pattern, however, I obtained exactly the same results. Almost the same accuracy, and same combo.
Then you can't do the map at all.
Alchemi
That depends on what you call to "do" a map.
ChicagoTed
I don't think there's a way this mod can be implemented without upsetting people.
I agree with things such as the following:

jesus1412 wrote:

0.9x is way too big for a mod like this, people underestimate how much it helps.
At first reading this I thought it would be a great idea to have this as RANKED to help the left handed people have a fair shot at stuff without having to put in the extra effort that isn't needed from a right handed person, but now I realise that it could be taken advantage of by right handed people to get better scores on maps that originally had more difficult patterns. A opposing argument would be that a right handed person would need the Mirror mod to get a score like the left handed person would on this kind of map that is more difficult for right handed people. If this mod were to be added, from what I've gathered most people would like it to be unranked or for it to not exist in the first place, which makes me feel sorry for the lefties - I think that as a community we could make it work, even if it didn't work straight away we'd even it out and make it more of a fair mod over time and maybe even to the point where it's ranked.
I support this.
I'm right handed. ^.^
jesse1412

ChicagoTed7172 wrote:

I don't think there's a way this mod can be implemented without upsetting people.
I agree with things such as the following:

jesus1412 wrote:

0.9x is way too big for a mod like this, people underestimate how much it helps.
At first reading this I thought it would be a great idea to have this as RANKED to help the left handed people have a fair shot at stuff without having to put in the extra effort that isn't needed from a right handed person, but now I realise that it could be taken advantage of by right handed people to get better scores on maps that originally had more difficult patterns. A opposing argument would be that a right handed person would need the Mirror mod to get a score like the left handed person would on this kind of map that is more difficult for right handed people. If this mod were to be added, from what I've gathered most people would like it to be unranked or for it to not exist in the first place, which makes me feel sorry for the lefties - I think that as a community we could make it work, even if it didn't work straight away we'd even it out and make it more of a fair mod over time and maybe even to the point where it's ranked.
I support this.
I'm right handed. ^.^
Sorry but I totally have 0 believe that some patterns are "easier" depending on which hand you use primarily, if anything it would be based on the direction you intuitively spin which would be in the direction of patterns you would find easier.
thelewa
I'm loving the conspiracy about maps being centered around right handed play

like any mapper would think about that while making maps

OH HMM NEED TO MAKE A FEW PATTERNS THAT ONLY RIGHT HANDED PEOPLE CAN CLEAR HMMMM oh wait that's impossible

whatever extra difficulty there is in playing certain patterns, it comes from the way you spin.
buny
+1 for unranked for sure.
Charles445

thelewa wrote:

whatever extra difficulty there is in playing certain patterns, it comes from the way you spin.
This is actually very true and once I found out about it changed how I approach spinners.

See, I spin clockwise, which is less common than counterclockwise.
I found that people who played my maps had trouble at my spinners because my patterns would send them in a clockwise motion before they reached a spinner.
Now I make it a point to send the player in a counterclockwise motion before a spinner, even though I personally prefer it as clockwise.

If there was a mirror function I would not have to worry about messing up spinners for clockwise players like myself.
peppy
If this was implemented, it would need to have a score reduction in my opinion.
ChicagoTed

jesus1412 wrote:

Sorry but I totally have 0 believe that some patterns are "easier" depending on which hand you use primarily, if anything it would be based on the direction you intuitively spin which would be in the direction of patterns you would find easier.
I remember on a map I played before, where there were a couple of jumps in a triangle shape, some of them were clockwise, the others being anti-clockwise and I always at least missed one of the circles in the clockwise pattern but could do the anti-clockwise one almost perfectly nine out of ten times I tried it. I'm sorry I don't remember the map, and I know that a Mirror mod wouldn't exactly help in that case because it was all in the same beatmap, but I assume this kind of thing happened to everyone. After a while I got around this clockwise pattern by practicing it over and over again until I could finally do it well, but still never could do it as well as the way I spin.

P.S. still nobody came up with an idea for the image for the mirror mod?
Saint_old

ChicagoTed7172 wrote:

P.S. still nobody came up with an idea for the image for the mirror mod?


r8
Noffy

ChicagoTed7172 wrote:

P.S. still nobody came up with an idea for the image for the mirror mod?


I'm imagining as a nice CTB mod because Hard Rock's flip has no effect unless I failed to notice it.
Kayla

peppy wrote:

If this was implemented, it would need to have a score reduction in my opinion.
Unranked? ;~; I'd like it just to play maps mirrored.
Gigo

ChicagoTed7172 wrote:

P.S. still nobody came up with an idea for the image for the mirror mod?
Flower
Why not try to improve your performance? lol.

Support if this is unranked or score reduced.
ChicagoTed
Heh.. I don't suppose there's any point trying to think of a way to implement a Mirror mod into Taiko? :P
Topic Starter
Raiku

ChicagoTed7172 wrote:

Heh.. I don't suppose there's any point trying to think of a way to implement a Mirror mod into Taiko? :P
Some people might like to play taiko where the notes come from the other side!
Topic Starter
Raiku

dorothy3242 wrote:

ChicagoTed7172 wrote:

P.S. still nobody came up with an idea for the image for the mirror mod?


I'm imagining as a nice CTB mod because Hard Rock's flip has no effect unless I failed to notice it.
Really nice creation for the icon!
NixXSkate
The mirror mod icon shall connect directly to your webcam and use the video as an icon.
NachOx
Support! :<
Lanturn
as long as the Beatmap's BG, SB, and Video all get mirrored. I'm totally in for this :D (7 mod here I come!)
GladiOol
Sounds like a fun practice mod, but by no means should this ever be a ranked mod. Patterns are made and intended as they are. Chaning it alters the map drastically and thus not making the map equal of an experience to every player. And because of that the scores cannot be equally based. Though I would like to see a whole lot of these practice mods. Target practice is insanely fun as well. Having a whole folder filled with these type of unranked mods would be dandy.
Topic Starter
Raiku

GladiOol wrote:

Sounds like a fun practice mod, but by no means should this ever be a ranked mod. Patterns are made and intended as they are. Chaning it alters the map drastically and thus not making the map equal of an experience to every player. And because of that the scores cannot be equally based. Though I would like to see a whole lot of these practice mods. Target practice is insanely fun as well. Having a whole folder filled with these type of unranked mods would be dandy.
agree
Big
Oh for the love of god please
For me it almost seems like my brain makes me try to create shortcuts in a map if I try it too many times, which leads to me lazily missing notes. This just sounds amazing!
Topic Starter
Raiku
Thanks!
Yukiteru Amano
How about making it a ranked mod with 0.9x then :)?
Karuta-_old_1

Yukiteru Amano wrote:

How about making it a ranked mod with 0.9x then :)?

Raiku wrote:

[Mirror Mod 2014]
p.s. After feedback I am backing the idea of unranked or x0.90 implementation. This idea does serve purpose as a fitting purveyor of variety.[/b]
This topic is pretty much concluded, now I would really want to see it being implement anytime in 2014 so i can start making people move their cursor in counter clock-wise direction
jesse1412

[MY] yummy90 XP wrote:

Yukiteru Amano wrote:

How about making it a ranked mod with 0.9x then :)?

Raiku wrote:

[Mirror Mod 2014]
p.s. After feedback I am backing the idea of unranked or x0.90 implementation. This idea does serve purpose as a fitting purveyor of variety.[/b]
This topic is pretty much concluded, now I would really want to see it being implement anytime in 2014 so i can start making people move their cursor in counter clock-wise direction
Concluded that it's a terrible idea for a ranked mod yes.
Coffee Hero
I don't see why anybody would use this for practice, it's literally the same map.
Akihiro
Also, mirror for osu!mania, most 8k maps are actually 7K+1 maps, the side of the special column actually matters
xarathas
If you're fine with the mod being unranked why not just do this?




It takes 5 seconds to flip a map this way, don't see the need for a new mod there if you want it to be unranked anyway
jesse1412

xarathas wrote:

If you're fine with the mod being unranked why not just do this?




It takes 5 seconds to flip a map this way, don't see the need for a new mod there if you want it to be unranked anyway
Exactly why it's kinda silly but it allows people to play the map mirrored with friends I guess.
Ryu Sei

GladiOol wrote:

Sounds like a fun practice mod, but by no means should this ever be a ranked mod. Patterns are made and intended as they are. Chaning it alters the map drastically and thus not making the map equal of an experience to every player. And because of that the scores cannot be equally based. Though I would like to see a whole lot of these practice mods. Target practice is insanely fun as well. Having a whole folder filled with these type of unranked mods would be dandy.
Yes. This mod won't be a ranked mod except for o!m.
Garudah
Support.
Topic Starter
Raiku
lanturn and his allmods
Arras

Akihiro wrote:

Also, mirror for osu!mania, most 8k maps are actually 7K+1 maps, the side of the special column actually matters
Mirror for 7+1 typically only flips the 7 columns and leaves the special column untouched. (actually so does Random) Besides, you can move that one yourself through skin settings.
Jentle
It will be fun to see this mod but you can't get any score if you use it. The comparison between lefties asking for left-handed scissors and spinning clockwise vs anti-clockwise isn't related to this in my opinion. Each map has its nooks and everyone is different on what they find easy. You can't have a mod for everyone.
DansGame
It would definitely be a challenge, If it increases the score greatly I'd play it!
AlphaMix
I support this as well.
I made a post almost like this, and the idea behind it is great.
I'd love to see this mod! (Mirror)
Factorial
Bump this!
jesse1412

- Yuzuki - wrote:

It would definitely be a challenge, If it increases the score greatly I'd play it!
It shouldn't be ranked but feel free to still play it.
Factorial
A Special Mod with just 1x multiplier. (Some players might take advantage of this)
jesse1412

Neil Leo wrote:

A Special Mod with just 1x multiplier. (Some players might take advantage of this)
Unranked or not at all. I really have no compromise here, unlike with other requests.
Jerome
Honestly I'm expecting someone to bring out a simple app that flips your screen and inverts your cursor movement so you can imitate this feature.
Vuelo Eluko

Jeromelol wrote:

Honestly I'm expecting someone to bring out a simple app that flips your screen and inverts your cursor movement so you can imitate this feature.
you can change the handedness of your tablet and flip your monitor from monitor settings to imitate this
and theres no way that can be against the rules
so imo the mod doesnt need to be unranked
PyaKura
Lmao seriously ?

You expect a mod to be ranked because you can already use 3rd party softwares to flip your screen/handedness/whatever else to do that ? I wonder how you guys are thinking, and I'm not even playing std lol.

This should be either unranked or not happening. I know I'd use this everyday in mania (if it was to be implemented for it as well) and I couldn't care less about it being unranked since I spend 75% of my time on unranked and unsubmitted maps although we can already ctrl A and ctrl H the whole thing.
Vuelo Eluko
flipping your screen is actually something you can do from the OS, changing the handedness is from drivers. it doesnt require any real time or effort or third party downloads beyond what you already need to play osu in the first place. considering how easy it is to replicate there's no reason to make it unranked imo.

although it goes both ways, if its so easy to do it in a way that isnt unranked, there's really no reason to implement it as a ranked mod either, I suppose.
Yarissa

Riince wrote:

flipping your screen is actually something you can do from the OS, changing the handedness is from drivers. it doesnt require any real time or effort or third party downloads beyond what you already need to play osu in the first place. considering how easy it is to replicate there's no reason to make it unranked imo.

although it goes both ways, if its so easy to do it in a way that isnt unranked, there's really no reason to implement it as a ranked mod either, I suppose.
The cursor generally will have mirrored movements as well when you do that.
jesse1412

Kaoru wrote:

Riince wrote:

flipping your screen is actually something you can do from the OS, changing the handedness is from drivers. it doesnt require any real time or effort or third party downloads beyond what you already need to play osu in the first place. considering how easy it is to replicate there's no reason to make it unranked imo.

although it goes both ways, if its so easy to do it in a way that isnt unranked, there's really no reason to implement it as a ranked mod either, I suppose.
The cursor generally will have mirrored movements as well when you do that.
Nope, it works perfectly. That doesn't mean we should encourage it though.
Fangslash
i got an Idea :P make an alternate hardrock mod(like the difference with dt & nc) with this mirror mod
in other word, maybe add an option to flip the map vertically with hardrock instead of horizontally?
Rilene
If Hard Rock flips the map vertically.
Why not this? It does not affect the difficulty in the map itself at all, would be nice to have in every mode too, except Taiko.

And bump.
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