I could see this being added as an unranked mod, like Random in mania. Deciding on a ranked score for it would cause a lot of problems.
I don't play osu! standard much but had no idea that HR literally flipped the map until just checking now -- if HR exists and can be played for rank then there's really no reason that mirror can't be for other modes, considering it wouldn't be the first implementation of something like this. That is just as "offending" to beat-mappers because it is changing patterns outside of how they are intended; you are completely correct with this post.Raiku wrote:
bro-out (also im not trying to dumb down the game, im trying to give people an oppurtunity to practice both ways if they see a pattern they like in the map. consider that im just thinking about the community, just like you i have absolutely no problem with ccw patterns. furthermore the respect of mappers doesnt at all come into the equation if you give it some thought as its a MODIFIER. just like hardrock. does the implementation of hardrock disrespect mappers?)
Soaprman wrote:
This isn't a step down in difficulty. It's a step to the side. It is exactly the same map, but flipped. There is no reason this should be anything but x1.0.
I should also note that this is a usability request. It's about comfort. It's akin to a left-handed person asking for some lefty scissors. Though I support it also because it sounds fun.
1. Some people who have difficulty with certain patterns use certain sides of their brains to overcome them. This use of each side is apparent in the directions people spin, those who spin right predominantly use their right half to calculate and left use left etc. (Note: this is only my theoretical thinking, not based on solid research conducted by I.)
0.9x is way too big for a mod like this, people underestimate how much it helps. If you have problems with a pattern that is your fault and your fault only, you shouldn't have your hand held by a mod.sarasseo wrote:
1. Some people who have difficulty with certain patterns use certain sides of their brains to overcome them. This use of each side is apparent in the directions people spin, those who spin right predominantly use their right half to calculate and left use left etc. (Note: this is only my theoretical thinking, not based on solid research conducted by I.)
left is counter clock wise, right is clock wise? i dont... correct me please. this is confusing
as others have said, because this skips the practice of some patterns that people are not comfortable with, its better with a lower score multipler. like 0.9x or something i dont know
Then you can't do the map at all.Alchemi wrote:
I haven't really noticed much difference between a map and an H-flipped version, to be honest. I thought it might help, and a certain map, since I have problems with a certain pattern, however, I obtained exactly the same results. Almost the same accuracy, and same combo.
At first reading this I thought it would be a great idea to have this as RANKED to help the left handed people have a fair shot at stuff without having to put in the extra effort that isn't needed from a right handed person, but now I realise that it could be taken advantage of by right handed people to get better scores on maps that originally had more difficult patterns. A opposing argument would be that a right handed person would need the Mirror mod to get a score like the left handed person would on this kind of map that is more difficult for right handed people. If this mod were to be added, from what I've gathered most people would like it to be unranked or for it to not exist in the first place, which makes me feel sorry for the lefties - I think that as a community we could make it work, even if it didn't work straight away we'd even it out and make it more of a fair mod over time and maybe even to the point where it's ranked.jesus1412 wrote:
0.9x is way too big for a mod like this, people underestimate how much it helps.
Sorry but I totally have 0 believe that some patterns are "easier" depending on which hand you use primarily, if anything it would be based on the direction you intuitively spin which would be in the direction of patterns you would find easier.ChicagoTed7172 wrote:
I don't think there's a way this mod can be implemented without upsetting people.
I agree with things such as the following:At first reading this I thought it would be a great idea to have this as RANKED to help the left handed people have a fair shot at stuff without having to put in the extra effort that isn't needed from a right handed person, but now I realise that it could be taken advantage of by right handed people to get better scores on maps that originally had more difficult patterns. A opposing argument would be that a right handed person would need the Mirror mod to get a score like the left handed person would on this kind of map that is more difficult for right handed people. If this mod were to be added, from what I've gathered most people would like it to be unranked or for it to not exist in the first place, which makes me feel sorry for the lefties - I think that as a community we could make it work, even if it didn't work straight away we'd even it out and make it more of a fair mod over time and maybe even to the point where it's ranked.jesus1412 wrote:
0.9x is way too big for a mod like this, people underestimate how much it helps.
I support this.
I'm right handed. ^.^
This is actually very true and once I found out about it changed how I approach spinners.thelewa wrote:
whatever extra difficulty there is in playing certain patterns, it comes from the way you spin.
I remember on a map I played before, where there were a couple of jumps in a triangle shape, some of them were clockwise, the others being anti-clockwise and I always at least missed one of the circles in the clockwise pattern but could do the anti-clockwise one almost perfectly nine out of ten times I tried it. I'm sorry I don't remember the map, and I know that a Mirror mod wouldn't exactly help in that case because it was all in the same beatmap, but I assume this kind of thing happened to everyone. After a while I got around this clockwise pattern by practicing it over and over again until I could finally do it well, but still never could do it as well as the way I spin.jesus1412 wrote:
Sorry but I totally have 0 believe that some patterns are "easier" depending on which hand you use primarily, if anything it would be based on the direction you intuitively spin which would be in the direction of patterns you would find easier.
ChicagoTed7172 wrote:
P.S. still nobody came up with an idea for the image for the mirror mod?
ChicagoTed7172 wrote:
P.S. still nobody came up with an idea for the image for the mirror mod?
Unranked? ;~; I'd like it just to play maps mirrored.peppy wrote:
If this was implemented, it would need to have a score reduction in my opinion.
ChicagoTed7172 wrote:
P.S. still nobody came up with an idea for the image for the mirror mod?
Some people might like to play taiko where the notes come from the other side!ChicagoTed7172 wrote:
Heh.. I don't suppose there's any point trying to think of a way to implement a Mirror mod into Taiko?
Really nice creation for the icon!dorothy3242 wrote:
ChicagoTed7172 wrote:
P.S. still nobody came up with an idea for the image for the mirror mod?
I'm imagining as a nice CTB mod because Hard Rock's flip has no effect unless I failed to notice it.
agreeGladiOol wrote:
Sounds like a fun practice mod, but by no means should this ever be a ranked mod. Patterns are made and intended as they are. Chaning it alters the map drastically and thus not making the map equal of an experience to every player. And because of that the scores cannot be equally based. Though I would like to see a whole lot of these practice mods. Target practice is insanely fun as well. Having a whole folder filled with these type of unranked mods would be dandy.
Yukiteru Amano wrote:
How about making it a ranked mod with 0.9x then ?
This topic is pretty much concluded, now I would really want to see it being implement anytime in 2014 so i can start making people move their cursor in counter clock-wise directionRaiku wrote:
[Mirror Mod 2014]
p.s. After feedback I am backing the idea of unranked or x0.90 implementation. This idea does serve purpose as a fitting purveyor of variety.[/b]