13:49 Lust: hey moway!
13:49 Moway: hello
13:50 Lust: i am about to ask a BAT to come and take a look at my map, but I know there is further polishing to be needed, do you have the time to recheck my map?
13:50 Moway: sure
13:50 *Lust is listening to [http://osu.ppy.sh/b/321938 Matsushita Yuya - See You (TV Size)]
13:50 Lust: its that one ^^
13:51 Moway: alright
13:52 Moway: Easy
13:52 Moway: 00:11:951 (4,5) -
13:52 Moway: blanket is a bit off here
13:52 Lust: fixed
13:52 Moway: 00:20:284 (1,2) -
13:53 Moway: better to unstack these for your easy
13:53 Moway: also slight blanket problem there as well
13:54 Lust: alright fixed, but would it be okay if i stacked 00:20:284 (1) on top of 00:21:118 (3) ?
13:54 Lust: err
13:54 Lust: would that be too confusing
13:54 Moway: probably
13:55 Moway: the approach circles on easy make most stacks confusing unless they're really far apart timewise
13:55 Lust: yeah that makes sense
13:55 Moway: 00:34:451 (2,3) - slight blanket problem
13:55 Moway: sorry a lot of this will be really nazi but this is what i pick up my first quick look through before more indepth stuff
13:56 Moway: also 00:35:285 (3,1) -
13:56 Moway: this overlap isn't super great, I think you can avoid it fairly easily
13:56 Moway: just move 1 up and to the left a bit, maybe adjust the angle if it goes too high and hits the score
13:57 Moway: 00:39:451 (3,1) - make these identical so that they interlock together well
13:57 Lust: ill just add another slider point
13:57 Lust: and then just angle it more
13:57 Moway: that'll be fine
13:57 Lust: should (1) be the same as (3) or (3) be the same as (1)?
13:57 Moway: either way will work
13:58 Moway: 00:48:618 (4) -
13:58 Moway: a couple small things with this slider
13:58 Moway: I think it flows better from 00:47:785 (3) - if you move it down
13:59 Lust: instead of that
13:59 Moway: since the vast majority of the flow of 3 is down and to the left, having the slider down a bit more will make the transition flow better
13:59 Lust: can i angle (3) downward so it looks like this
13:59 Lust:
http://puu.sh/5ltgs.jpg13:59 Lust: would that work?
14:00 Lust: actually
14:00 Lust: nevermind
14:00 Lust: LOL
14:00 Moway: i can't see what is happenig
14:00 Moway: :3
14:00 Lust: no no no keep going forget i said anything xD
14:00 Moway: okey
14:01 Moway: also decrease the curve of 4 a bit so that t perfecty blankets 00:49:868 (1) -
14:01 Lust: so like this?
14:02 Lust:
http://puu.sh/5ltpv.jpg14:02 Moway: bring the end point a bit to the left and I think you'll have it
14:03 Lust: endpoint for 1?
14:03 Lust: or for 4?
14:03 Moway: 4
14:03 Moway: let me know when you are done with that
14:04 Lust: just finished
14:04 Moway: alright
14:04 Moway: 00:49:868 (1,2,3,4) -
14:04 Moway: i think you should re arrange this
14:05 Moway: the stack of (1,3) and the overlap with (1,4) should be fixed
14:05 Moway: here's what i came up with
14:05 Moway:
http://puu.sh/5ltDj.jpg14:05 Moway: that forms some nice blankets but feel free to try out things that you like
14:07 Lust: i think i will try that
14:07 Moway: alright
14:07 Moway: make sure you adjust all needed spacing~
14:08 Lust: actually because of that combo you just showed me
14:08 Lust: it helped me fixed the overlap a little later
14:08 Moway: 01:16:118 (2) -
14:09 Moway: move this to around (242,178) or so
14:09 Moway: so that it locks with (1)
14:09 Moway: 01:20:701 (2) - little nazi adjustent here, but move this to (170,264)
14:10 Lust: done and done
14:10 Moway: then just as a preference thing 01:24:035 (1) - maybe decreasee the curve and have it lanket 01:25:285 (2) - a bit more naturally, but this one looks fine to me as it is also
14:11 Lust: changed it a bit
14:11 Lust: i think it will look better as you say
14:12 Moway: alright round 2
14:12 Moway: hitsounding
14:12 Moway: 00:04:451 (2) - add a clap here for consistency, I think it fits the music pretty well
14:13 Lust: alright
14:13 Moway: 00:06:951 (6) - i like a soft hitwhistle here, normal sampleset seems to heavy and the softwhistle would match that piano part nicely
14:14 Lust: done
14:14 Lust: i think so too
14:14 Moway: 00:09:868 (1) - maybe delete the whistle on the head of the slider, I kind of like the contrast of no whistle on the head then the whistle on the end where the stronger part happens
14:15 Lust: huh alright
14:15 Moway: 00:16:951 (1) - whistle on the head here
14:15 Lust: not quite sure how the whistle on the head go there xD
14:16 Moway: 00:18:618 (3) - whistle on the end i think
14:16 Moway: 00:20:284 (1) - whistle here for that piano
14:17 Lust: done
14:17 Moway: 00:21:118 (3) - i think a whistle on the slider start fits well here
14:17 Moway: 00:23:201 (1) - whistle on the slider end
14:17 Moway: 00:24:035 (2) - whistle on the repeat
14:17 Moway: 00:25:285 (3) - whistle on the slider head
14:17 Lust: done done and done
14:18 Moway: 00:26:118 (4) - maybe whistle on the slider head, not as sure on this one but I think it mght fit
14:18 Moway: if you need me to explain on any of these let me know
14:18 Lust: well hmm
14:18 Lust: i dont think so
14:18 Lust: because the slider end has a finish
14:18 Lust: would that be too quick to have those two hitsounds?
14:18 Lust: or no
14:19 Moway: up to you on that one
14:19 Moway: i was 50/50 on it so
14:19 Moway: 00:27:368 (1) - whistle on the slider end
14:19 Lust: well ill add it and see what other people will say
14:19 Moway: 00:28:201 (2) - whistle on the repeat
14:20 Moway: 00:29:868 (1) - whistle on the repeat
14:20 Moway: 00:31:535 (3) - whistle on the repeat
14:20 Moway: 00:33:618 (1) - finish ont he slider head
14:20 Moway: 00:34:451 (2) - whistle on the slider head
14:20 Moway: 00:35:285 (3) - whistle on the slider head and end
14:20 Lust: done all
14:21 Moway: oh there's one already on the end, add one to the head anyway
14:21 Lust: yeah
14:21 Moway: 00:36:951 (1) - whistle on the slider head and end for this one also
14:21 Moway: these more constant hitsounds match the vocals and fit well with the build up into the kiai
14:21 Moway: 00:38:201 (2) - whistle on the repeat
14:22 Moway: 00:40:285 (1,2,1,2) -
14:22 Moway: whistle on the slider head of all of these
14:22 Moway: fit well with the guitar+vocal
14:22 Lust: alright i agree and added
14:22 Moway: 00:43:618 (3) - whistles on the head and end, and remove the one on the repeat I think to keep the same pattern
14:23 Lust: alright
14:23 Moway: 00:45:701 (1) - whistle on the slider end here
14:23 Moway: 00:47:785 (3) - whistle on the slider head
14:23 Moway: 00:48:618 (4) - whistle on the slider end
14:23 Moway: 00:49:868 (1) - whistle on the repeat
14:24 Moway: 00:51:118 (2) - whistle
14:24 Lust: done
14:25 Moway: 00:51:951 (4) - for this one, I think either add the normal sampleset to the ends and repeat, or maybe you could try drum hitfinishes as well
14:26 Lust: ill put a drum finish on the end
14:26 Lust: and then for the repeat
14:26 Lust: normal hitnormal?
14:26 Lust: or actually for the end
14:26 Lust: a soft finish
14:26 Moway: yeah that could work
14:27 Lust: yeah thats what i will do
14:27 Moway: just a sec for the kiai
14:27 Moway: i'm trying to figure out a good way to do this
14:28 Lust: i think the kiai is fine the way it is
14:28 Lust: just normal hitsounds
14:29 Moway: well give a couple minutes and i'll try something and i'll see what you think of it
14:30 Lust: alright, you are already helping me a bunch :')
14:30 Lust: ill brb one second
14:40 Moway: alright you there?
14:50 Lust: yes im back
14:50 Lust: sorry
14:50 Moway: alright
14:50 Moway:
http://puu.sh/5lvPP.rar14:50 Moway: see what you think of that
14:51 Moway: i think in the kiai there are strong parts that need to be accentuated with some hitsounding so i did a bit
14:51 Moway: diff should be called test
14:52 Lust: i like it!
14:52 Moway: cool cool
14:52 Moway: it's pretty straighth forward with what you have to do for it
14:52 Lust: could i use the hitsound copier?
14:53 Moway: would get rid of the ones you've done already
14:53 Lust: oh
14:53 Moway: i think
14:53 Moway: it's pretty easy to do it
14:53 Moway: first increase the kiai volume to 50%
14:53 Moway: and change the hitset for the kiai to the drum one
14:53 Moway: sample should be D
14:54 Lust: alright
14:54 Moway: then just add normal hitnormals on every 2nd and 4th count
14:54 Moway: so like 00:54:451 (2) - slider head
14:54 Moway: 00:55:284 (3) - slider end
14:54 Moway: and so on
14:55 Moway: i added in a couple other things in there that i can point out for you as well
14:55 Lust: please do ^^
14:55 Moway: just a couple soft hitfinishes and a drum hit finish
14:55 Moway: 00:53:618 (1) - soft hitfinish on the head
14:56 Moway: 01:06:535 (1) - this slider: drum hitfinish on the head and soft hitfinish on the end
14:56 Moway: 01:20:285 (1) - added a soft hitfinish here too
14:57 Moway: let me know when you're done doing that then we'll continue with the rest of the suggestions for this diff
14:57 Moway: then upload and i'll check to see if everything is good
14:57 Moway: the good thing about this isi that you should be able to hitsound copier this diff to your other ones, and for the most part it'll be okay
14:58 Lust: alright
14:58 Moway: probably will have to add a few but we'll cross thath bridge when we get there.
14:58 Lust: just to reiterate
14:58 Lust: its normal hitnormal on 2nd and 4th?
14:59 Lust: for kiai
14:59 Moway: yes
14:59 Moway: you should hear some pretty strong snare hits on those parts which match up
15:00 Moway: the drum samples should cover those softer drum hits which I think is what you were trying to do before with the lower volume normal hitset
15:04 Lust: alright updated
15:05 Moway: alright cool
15:05 Moway: just a couple fixes
15:05 Moway: 00:57:368 (2) - move the hit normal to the end of this slider instead of the head
15:05 Moway: 00:58:618 (4) - same for this one
15:06 Moway: 01:06:535 (1) - this should be drum hitfnnish on the head and soft on the end ^^
15:06 Moway: 01:14:868 (1) - remove the normal hitnormal from the repeat
15:06 Moway: 01:16:118 (2) - add it to the head of this instead
15:07 Lust: alright
15:07 Moway: 01:19:451 (3) - add a normal hit normal to the slider head here
15:07 Moway: then you're good to go
15:08 Lust: and then hitsound copy?
15:08 Moway: yeah, just be sure to change the kiai section of your other diffs to drum sampleset
15:08 Moway: and the volume increase as well
15:09 Lust: alright
15:09 Moway: one final aesthetic thing
15:09 Moway: 01:12:785 (1,2,3,4) -
15:09 Moway: rearange to fix the overlap here
15:09 Moway: here's my suggestion
15:09 Moway:
http://puu.sh/5lx8p.jpg15:11 Lust: oh fixed yeah
15:11 Moway: one more hitsounding suggestion
15:12 Moway: for the part beginning at 00:07:368 - until the kiai, i'd say increase the volume to 30%
15:12 Moway: or maybe 25%
15:12 Moway: just a little bit
15:13 Lust: yeah so it builds up
15:13 Moway: oh right
15:13 Moway: 00:33:618 - increase here by 10% I think
15:14 Moway: 00:51:951 - make this 50% volume
15:14 Moway: 00:45:701 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - move this entire section down a bit
15:15 Moway: right nowo 00:51:951 (4) - and 00:55:285 (3) - touch the hp bar
15:16 Moway: kind of all over the place now
15:16 Moway: 01:12:785 (1,2) -
15:16 Moway: swap NCs here
15:16 Lust: alright
15:16 Lust: yeah
15:18 Moway: I think that's enough for that diff
15:18 Moway: i didn't see anything for rhythm to change so it's good
15:18 Lust: alrighty
15:18 Moway: update the other two diffs with the hitsounds and upload everything again
15:21 Lust: done
15:21 Moway: alight
15:21 Moway: Normal time
15:22 Moway: those settings sho
15:22 Lust: wooo
15:22 Moway: kind of weird :3
15:23 Moway: maybe hp 4 ar 5 od 4
15:23 Moway: ar 4 or 5 I think
15:24 Lust: ill do ar5
15:24 Moway: alright
15:25 Moway: a bit nazi, but i noticed this right away
15:25 Moway: 00:14:035 (1,2,3,4) - check your spacing here
15:26 Moway: if it helps you any turn off grid snapping so that you can get nice 0.80 spacing between all of the objects
15:26 Lust: alright fixed
15:26 Moway: 00:07:368 (1) - fix up this blanket a little bit
15:27 Moway: lower the mid point and the end point a bit and it should look better
15:27 Lust: alright
15:28 Lust: mhmmm
15:28 Moway: 00:18:618 (4) - decrease the curve of this a bit to make a better blanket
15:28 Moway:
http://puu.sh/5lyvX.jpg15:29 Lust: alright done
15:30 Moway: 00:26:118 (6,1) - blanket is off here a bit, move 1 over to the right a bit for a better one
15:30 Moway: 00:30:701 (2) - move the 2nd mid point up and to the right some so that it forms better with (1)
15:31 Moway:
http://puu.sh/5lyDv.jpg15:31 Lust: alright
15:32 Moway: 00:49:868 (1,2) - swap ncs here
15:32 Lust: done
15:33 Moway: 00:50:284 (2,3,4) - for these give them all the same shape, and I think you could do a nice pattern
15:33 Moway: sec for caps
15:34 Moway:
http://puu.sh/5lyPc.jpg15:34 Moway: oops
15:34 Moway:
http://puu.sh/5lyOC.jpg15:34 Moway:
http://puu.sh/5lyPc.jpg15:34 Moway: make sure you get a nice stack with (2,4)
15:36 Lust: alright tried it
15:37 Moway: 00:52:993 (5) - feels a bit too empty here and the placement is kind of weird, so let's try some stuff here
15:37 Moway: here's the rhythm i suggest for this
15:37 Moway:
http://puu.sh/5lz02.jpg15:37 Moway: i think it fits the diff better and the music well
15:38 Moway: now to figure out a way to do this to arrange the objects properly
15:39 Lust: wait
15:39 Lust: so
15:39 Lust: i change 5 to a hit
15:39 Moway: oh yeah sorry
15:39 Lust: and then what follows that a repeat?
15:40 Moway: yeah a repeating 1/4 slider
15:42 Lust: alright
15:42 Lust: so
15:42 Lust: can i stack (5) on top of (4)?
15:42 Lust: or
15:42 Lust:
http://puu.sh/5lzhs.jpg15:42 Lust: will that work
15:43 Moway: yeah that'll work
15:43 Lust: okay
15:43 Moway: oh wait
15:43 Moway: shoot
15:43 Moway: never mind
15:43 Moway: fa
15:43 Lust: :<
15:43 Moway: i'm sorry
15:43 Moway: i forgot that you had a repeat on (4) so i was like wat is this
15:44 Moway: the way you had it before works fine >_<
15:44 Lust: i changed it
15:44 Lust: oh
15:44 Lust: uhhhh
15:44 Moway: well this way wors too if you already made it work
15:44 Moway: works*
15:46 Moway: 01:06:118 (5,6) - this part feels a bit empty, maybe change the circles into 1/4 sliders? could be nice
15:46 Moway: or alternatively, just a single repeatin 1/4 where 5 is also works
15:48 Moway: 01:00:285 (1) - little blanket fix here, moving this to (156,234) is good
15:48 Lust: oh shoot
15:48 Lust: did i have certain hitsounds on there again?
15:48 Lust: those two circles
15:49 Lust: from before
15:49 Moway: normal hitnormal on 5
15:49 Lust: at start?
15:49 Moway: yeah
15:50 Moway: 01:08:618 (3) - add normal hitnormal to the end of this one, not sure why it didn't copy
15:51 Moway: 01:11:535 (1,2) - move these to the right some to make (2) further from 01:09:868 (1,2,3) -
15:52 Moway: 01:14:868 (1,2) - spacing is a bit off here, make sure that it is 0.8 also
15:53 Lust: alright fixed
15:54 Moway: 01:19:451 (3,1,2) - some spacing issues here also, make sure the spacing between (3,1) is good
15:54 Moway: also i think you have to add a bit more curve to (2) so that it is 0.8x spaced from (1) when you stack them
15:55 Lust: fixed
15:55 Lust: i think it should be good now
15:55 Moway: sorry for being all over the place
15:55 Moway: 00:05:285 (4,5,6) - check this spacing here
15:55 Lust: oh no no no you're being a big help
15:56 Lust: fixed
15:56 Moway: alright hitsounding should be pretty good now so i'll just run over a couple rhythm things
15:56 Moway: 00:01:951 (3,4) -
15:57 Moway: for these I would say do the circle first then the slider
15:57 Moway: I think it is more consistent with what you are matching musically
15:57 Lust: just switch them?
15:57 Moway: probaby will have to do some rearranging of objects
15:58 Lust: alright one question
15:58 Lust: oh wait nevermind
15:58 Lust: answered myself xD
15:59 Lust:
http://puu.sh/5lAdp.jpg15:59 Lust: is fine?
16:00 Moway: yeah just make sure you don't get overlap with 00:03:618 (1) -
16:00 Lust: no overlap
16:00 Moway: alright it'll work then
16:02 Moway: 00:39:868 - I think add a circle here to be consistent with 00:36:535 (4) -
16:02 Moway: might have to do some work with 00:38:618 (3) - to make the flow correct though
16:04 Lust: mmm alright i figured something out for that one
16:04 Moway: alright update it
16:04 Moway: then one more run through of it and we'll be done with the normal
16:07 Lust: updated
16:07 Moway: alright
16:08 Moway: 00:02:368 (4) - clap is on the wrong place here, move it to the repeat instead of the slider end
16:08 Moway: 00:06:951 (6) - change this to soft-hitwhistle
16:09 Moway: 00:32:576 (4) - add a whistle to the head of this one
16:09 Lust: alright
16:10 Moway: 00:51:951 (3) - stack is still off on this one, move it to (237,313)
16:10 Moway: adn actually make (3) a copy paste of 00:50:285 (1) - so you get the nice blanket effect
16:12 Moway: 00:09:451 (3,5) - nazi thing here, but fix this stack
16:13 Moway: 00:53:618 (1,2,3) - tidy up this spacing a bit
16:13 Lust: fixed
16:13 Lust: actually fixed it earlier when we were copying pasting before
16:13 Moway: 01:21:535 (3) - remove clap from the repeat
16:13 Moway: 01:22:785 (4) - add a clap to the head
16:14 Moway: 01:23:618 (6) - remove clap
16:14 Moway: 01:24:035 (1) - clap on the repeat
16:14 Moway: just fixing that up a bit
16:14 Moway: then that should be all for onw
16:14 Moway: now
16:16 Lust: sweet
16:16 Lust: and updated
16:16 Moway: alright Hard diff here we go
16:16 Moway: change your first green line to 20%~
16:17 Moway: 00:09:868 (6) - NC here
16:17 Moway: 00:11:535 (1,2) - switch NCs here
16:18 Lust: done
16:18 Moway: 00:28:201 (3,4,5) - maybe make these into a more blanket-y formation
16:18 Moway: at least make (3) blanket (4), then for (5) if you want you can make it curved and have another blanket with (4) if you like it that way
16:19 Moway: 00:31:951 (6) - NC here
16:21 Moway: 00:37:785 (3) - this slider, reshape it so that it is symmetrical so that you maintain equal spacing with 00:37:576 (2,3,4) -
16:21 Moway: also place it so it blankets those two circles
16:22 Lust: alright done
16:22 Moway: then it will look nice and clean
16:24 Moway: 00:43:618 (1) - i think this is better and looks nicer placed a bit higher up, the little jump isn't too crazy and it fits the music well, and it looks better
16:24 Moway:
http://puu.sh/5lBxv.jpg16:24 Moway: adjust spacing afterwar dof course
16:25 Moway: 00:45:701 (1,3) - fix this stack
16:26 Moway: 00:55:076 (5,6) - check this spacing here
16:26 Lust: alright
16:26 Moway: 00:55:701 (6,7,8) - check spacing here, and you can also rearrange these so that they are not overlapping
16:27 Moway: maybe something like this
http://puu.sh/5lBGr.jpg16:27 Moway: 01:02:576 (2,3) - put a bit more curve on 3 and go for a blanket here
16:28 Moway: 01:12:785 (4,5) - i would suggest removing this jump, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense with the music, and I think it'll look cleaner with equal spacing
16:29 Moway: if you want to put a jump here, 01:13:201 (5,6) - makes more sense to me
16:30 Moway: 01:10:701 (3) - add normal hitnormal to the end here
16:30 Moway: 01:18:410 (6) - NC
16:31 Lust: done
16:31 Moway: 01:02:785 (3,2) - fix this slight overlap I think
16:31 Moway: you can move (2) over to blanket the slider end of 01:03:618 (1) - which works well I think
16:32 Moway: 01:16:743 (1,2) - don't really like the stack here because it makes a stop right before 01:17:576 (3,4,5) - which is more flowy. I'd say unstack these so that you can carry the flow from (1) all the way through this little circle part
16:33 Lust: alright done
16:35 Moway: 01:23:826 (5,1) - i'd say switch the NCs here so that the stack is the same color, I think it is a bit more consistent also
16:36 Lust: adone
16:37 Moway: oh
16:37 Moway: you have an unsnapped green line at 00:07:362 -
16:38 Moway: delete that
16:38 Moway: add a green line at 00:33:618 - with 35% volume
16:38 Moway: once you're done with that upload and we'll do another run through
16:42 Lust: alright uploaded
16:43 Moway: =00:14:035 (1) - whistle on the slider end
16:43 Moway: 00:15:285 (3) - whistle on the head
16:44 Moway: 00:46:535 (3) - put this slider at (262,222)
16:45 Moway: 01:02:785 (3) - this one to (382,167)
16:45 Moway: then move 01:03:618 (1,2) - a bit to avoid the overlap
16:46 Moway: 01:05:701 (6,7) - check your spacing here
16:46 Moway: 01:08:201 (1,2,3) - check spacing
16:47 Moway: 01:17:993 (5,1) - spacing
16:47 Moway: 01:22:368 (3) - clap at the end of this slider
16:47 Moway: 01:23:201 (4) - remove clap from the end here
16:48 Moway: then that's all for me
16:49 Lust: whew
16:49 Lust: thank you soooooooooooooo much
16:49 Lust: like
16:49 Moway: np ^^
16:50 Lust: i would never notice any of this stuff
16:50 Lust: do you think i should call a BAT now?
16:50 Moway: you develop it the more you map
16:50 Lust: yeah
16:50 Moway: I"d say get a couple more mods
16:50 Moway: since we did a lot of work today you should get some more to patch up whatever we didn't cover
16:51 Lust: alright, again thanks a bunch
16:51 Lust: took up a couple hours of your time
16:51 Moway: no biggie
16:51 Moway: i suppose i'll post this log