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2 votes to lynch. Sakura, the Vanilla Townie has died. You have a week.
2 votes to lynch. Sakura, the Vanilla Townie has died. You have a week.
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Newbie #9 - Knock! Knock! Knock! (Game End)
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Yes you did.
Any reason for your quickhammer Royston?
It was a calculated risk, evidently it didn't pan out the way I thought it would.
Okay, I'm lost.
I'll have to reread the game again. Standby.
I'll have to reread the game again. Standby.
Rereading the game has ended in a headache.
I'm going to sleep on it and see if I get any ideas to have this game make any sense whatsoever.
I'm going to sleep on it and see if I get any ideas to have this game make any sense whatsoever.
I thought Irre was scum an. He wasn't. Not much more I can say than that.
Scum, pls explain why you killed Sakura? I seriously don't understand, I don't think Sakura would have held back from voting me again in this situation and you could've hammered for the easy win. But hey, whatever man..
Scum, pls explain why you killed Sakura? I seriously don't understand, I don't think Sakura would have held back from voting me again in this situation and you could've hammered for the easy win. But hey, whatever man..
I lol'd, if I didn't doubt Caligno, I'd be voting you right now.
...Royston wrote:
I thought Irre was scum an. He wasn't. Not much more I can say than that.
Scum, pls explain why you killed Sakura? I seriously don't understand, I don't think Sakura would have held back from voting me again in this situation and you could've hammered for the easy win. But hey, whatever man..
You literally just made a case against yourself.
Why.
The Sakura kill literally made no sense to me until you explained exactly why you would kill her over anyone else. That's basically what happened.
Saying things that makes you yourself look like mafia in LyLo is pretty much the exact opposite of how you should be playing it. If you thought it would have inevitably come up anyway, bringing it up faster isn't exactly protown.
Saying things that makes you yourself look like mafia in LyLo is pretty much the exact opposite of how you should be playing it. If you thought it would have inevitably come up anyway, bringing it up faster isn't exactly protown.
The only thing I can see is a bunch of WIFOM, which scum likes to do.
Also, silly question to both of you, your reads on me.
Also, silly question to both of you, your reads on me.
Good luck town
/bah post
/bah post
I'm not going to vote yet if that's what you mean 
Who is scum Royston?
Backing up your suspicions is a good start.Royston wrote:
so what now
Vote: Royston
I can't maintain interest anymore. Literally nothing has happened in this game for about three days.
Let's just end this one way or another. Dake deserves the win if he's scum either way.
I can't maintain interest anymore. Literally nothing has happened in this game for about three days.
Let's just end this one way or another. Dake deserves the win if he's scum either way.
It's sad I'm not scum, but I'm willing to give some time to Royston to explaing himself, he bringing up all those WIFOM isn't making me feel comfy. But Caligno jumping between Royston and Irre past days isn't either. I just can't find/get ideas how to solve this.
Nah I'm happy you're not scum, means I still have a chance at a 1-2 W-L 
No hammer from Dake so we have our scum then.
vote: CalignoBot
Please don't put up that defeatist/bored attitude Caligno, I don't think it's going to help in your situation.
@Dake: Nothing else to say but what I said on D2, and that is Caligno's passive interaction with rEdo D1. Also notice how soon after I put my vote on Caligno his opinion of me mysteriously changed and I was town again. That's weird, you'd think if he was town and I was voting him I'd be more scum in his eyes?
No hammer from Dake so we have our scum then.
vote: CalignoBot
Please don't put up that defeatist/bored attitude Caligno, I don't think it's going to help in your situation.
@Dake: Nothing else to say but what I said on D2, and that is Caligno's passive interaction with rEdo D1. Also notice how soon after I put my vote on Caligno his opinion of me mysteriously changed and I was town again. That's weird, you'd think if he was town and I was voting him I'd be more scum in his eyes?
Now that I know who the scum is, I'm more interested in proving it.
While we're on the topic of D1 interactions with rEdo, let's point to how Royston's only interaction with rEdo was a very sleazy statement without any kind of read whatsoever at the bottom of page 17. He also manages to completely skirt talking about rEdo at all around the time the day ends.
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As for rEdo's side, he starts defending Royston in the middle of page 15, then decides to start feinting pressure on him on page 17 where he states Irreversible is getting townpoints. Note that rEdo is basically stating that Royston is a significant scumread at the start of the paragraph... but ends by saying he's not sure enough to switch to voting Royston. This reeks of a distancing maneuver while being very careful not to further the wagon to a lynch.
And hey look, rEdo completely drops Royston at the top of page 19 and instead goes for Jinxy and Quotes. This makes the former paragraph look even more like nothing but a distance maneuver. He goes back to it at the bottom of page 19, but it's basically a backtrack. Now that there's a lot less benefit to bussing his partner, rEdo no longer wants to look suspicious of Royston. That's really about it, since the vast majority of the rest of D1 was just Quotes coming in, a huge shitstorm of like 6 pages of posts from only 3 people, and a lynch on rEdo after Quotes claimed cop.
And really, my passive interaction with rEdo is pretty much a lie. I was the first person to put pressure on rEdo at all and held him as a scumread for pretty much the entire day.
While we're on the topic of D1 interactions with rEdo, let's point to how Royston's only interaction with rEdo was a very sleazy statement without any kind of read whatsoever at the bottom of page 17. He also manages to completely skirt talking about rEdo at all around the time the day ends.
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As for rEdo's side, he starts defending Royston in the middle of page 15, then decides to start feinting pressure on him on page 17 where he states Irreversible is getting townpoints. Note that rEdo is basically stating that Royston is a significant scumread at the start of the paragraph... but ends by saying he's not sure enough to switch to voting Royston. This reeks of a distancing maneuver while being very careful not to further the wagon to a lynch.
And hey look, rEdo completely drops Royston at the top of page 19 and instead goes for Jinxy and Quotes. This makes the former paragraph look even more like nothing but a distance maneuver. He goes back to it at the bottom of page 19, but it's basically a backtrack. Now that there's a lot less benefit to bussing his partner, rEdo no longer wants to look suspicious of Royston. That's really about it, since the vast majority of the rest of D1 was just Quotes coming in, a huge shitstorm of like 6 pages of posts from only 3 people, and a lynch on rEdo after Quotes claimed cop.
And really, my passive interaction with rEdo is pretty much a lie. I was the first person to put pressure on rEdo at all and held him as a scumread for pretty much the entire day.
I meant to say rEdo's passive interaction with you, not the other way around
So is this a sudden realisation or what? Hell you were voting for me on page 17 before I made my sleazy(?) statement yet you seemed to make a deliberate attempt to 'forget' about me entirely later onCalignoBot wrote:
While we're on the topic of D1 interactions with rEdo, let's point to how Royston's only interaction with rEdo was a very sleazy statement without any kind of read whatsoever at the bottom of page 17. He also manages to completely skirt talking about rEdo at all around the time the day ends.
CalignoBot wrote:
Unvote: Whoever I was voting
Vote: Quotes
pleaseCalignoBot wrote:
He also manages to completely skirt talking about rEdo at all around the time the day ends.
CalignoBot wrote:
Two entire pages popped up while I was asleep and I'm never in a mood to catch up on that amount of posts until I've been awake for a few hours. If you're going to try to use that argument, take times into account.
Neither of your points work.
1. I 'forgot' about you later on because those two votes were on opposite ends of Quotes' entrance into the game, which basically forced the thread into a completely different direction. If you pay attention to my posts between those two, I actually was debating with people a lot without changing my vote until that post.
2. Time arguments are going to be a lot less convincing when the whole thing was a month ago and the time stamps only include days.
But whatever, my entire point is that your only mention at all about rEdo was a very passive statement that he's close to being hammered. You didn't give any sort of thoughts about pretty much anything, instead deciding to spend two paragraphs talking about the upcoming night phase.
1. I 'forgot' about you later on because those two votes were on opposite ends of Quotes' entrance into the game, which basically forced the thread into a completely different direction. If you pay attention to my posts between those two, I actually was debating with people a lot without changing my vote until that post.
2. Time arguments are going to be a lot less convincing when the whole thing was a month ago and the time stamps only include days.
But whatever, my entire point is that your only mention at all about rEdo was a very passive statement that he's close to being hammered. You didn't give any sort of thoughts about pretty much anything, instead deciding to spend two paragraphs talking about the upcoming night phase.
Topic Starter
Oh yeah umm...
...There'll be no dead QT for this game. Feel free to post all your thoughts after this game ends. Sorry about that.
...There'll be no dead QT for this game. Feel free to post all your thoughts after this game ends. Sorry about that.
aaaaaaaand I'm going to...
Vote: Royston
I won't follow my gut feeling, it is bad, look at Irre's mislynch. I'm scumz.
Vote: Royston
I won't follow my gut feeling, it is bad, look at Irre's mislynch. I'm scumz.
Topic Starter
It looks like this was the Low this time.
Royston the Vanilla Townie was lynched D4.
CalignoBot, Mafia Goon has won and DakeDekaane has endgamed. This is an official mafia win.
MVP D1: Quotes.
MVP D2: CalignoBot.
MVP D3: No One. Really, that was terrible.
MVP D4: CalignoBot.
Town MVP: Quotes.
Scum MVP: CalignoBot.
GJ guys.
Royston the Vanilla Townie was lynched D4.
CalignoBot, Mafia Goon has won and DakeDekaane has endgamed. This is an official mafia win.
MVP D1: Quotes.
MVP D2: CalignoBot.
MVP D3: No One. Really, that was terrible.
MVP D4: CalignoBot.
Town MVP: Quotes.
Scum MVP: CalignoBot.
GJ guys.
Topic Starter
Feel free to give comments about anything after this.
my only comment is: OH MY GOD
;_;
A question, what is MVP?
(most voted players?)
Topic Starter
Most Valuable Player.
wow I guessed right at the end o/
gj
gj
I guessed the right nearly the whole game :'c
Scum QT
There's not a whole lot there. It was really just me posting my kills and rambling about nothing to myself for a while.
Anyway, this game makes my scum win percentage 100% when a scum was lynched day 1. It's also the first time I didn't play like total shit as scum.
I don't actually remember why exactly I went for the Lilac or Sakura kills since I didn't post them in the scum QT at all. I remember I was considering a Dake kill as well on N2, but I went with Jinxy in the end.
There's not a whole lot there. It was really just me posting my kills and rambling about nothing to myself for a while.
Anyway, this game makes my scum win percentage 100% when a scum was lynched day 1. It's also the first time I didn't play like total shit as scum.
I don't actually remember why exactly I went for the Lilac or Sakura kills since I didn't post them in the scum QT at all. I remember I was considering a Dake kill as well on N2, but I went with Jinxy in the end.
That L-1 on Irre in D3, the switching between Irre and Royston in D2 and your interaction with Quotes in D1, called my attention, but I ended up considering Royston due all the WIFOM he had been throwing and I thought he was scum trying to act like VI, gg :p
Yeah, that was incredibly lucky.
I have this really weird meta where I play very similarly as both alignments, but I'm absurdly easy to read in most games. My actual alignment is pretty much always obvious by the time I've been playing the game for about 3-4 in-game days.
That would probably explain why I almost never get lynched as town...
EDIT: The fake-VI card was actually something I was prepared to pull out too if Royston put up enough of a fight. I really have to admit though, I wasn't expecting him to fight back as hard as he did at the end there. I was mentally hitting myself all through work today after I figured out a plausible explanation for rEdo to act the way he did towards me and that made me panic when I saw the game had ended when I got home.
I have this really weird meta where I play very similarly as both alignments, but I'm absurdly easy to read in most games. My actual alignment is pretty much always obvious by the time I've been playing the game for about 3-4 in-game days.
That would probably explain why I almost never get lynched as town...
EDIT: The fake-VI card was actually something I was prepared to pull out too if Royston put up enough of a fight. I really have to admit though, I wasn't expecting him to fight back as hard as he did at the end there. I was mentally hitting myself all through work today after I figured out a plausible explanation for rEdo to act the way he did towards me and that made me panic when I saw the game had ended when I got home.
.. T~T
I WON WHILE GETTING LYNCHED LIKE A RETARD
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNHH
wp Caligno, you totally deserve the win :')
AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNHH
wp Caligno, you totally deserve the win :')
Why did you kill me? I'm p.sure I would have voted Royston again and earned you an easy win.
Figured Caligno was mafia when it was Royston/Dake/Caligno. I don't understand the Saki lynch at all :/. I didn't read any of Day 3 so I won't speak to that. The Sakura kill surprised me.
I think I prob-towned Caligno because his playstyle reminded me of how a friend of mine plays town often, but I probably shouldn't have let me have that inherent bias. His not backing off my vote when I felt like I had done a fairly good job of coming off as town (although I had pissed off Sakura and Irreversable but that wasn't a good reason for either of them to vote for me), as well as voting me when I had been pushing rEdo probably should have made me at least a bit more skeptical.
I should have said more before dying.
Next time I should probably play nicer and not mess with people's egos. It clearly did not serve us well when people thought I was bad because I had made them mad.
GG
I think I prob-towned Caligno because his playstyle reminded me of how a friend of mine plays town often, but I probably shouldn't have let me have that inherent bias. His not backing off my vote when I felt like I had done a fairly good job of coming off as town (although I had pissed off Sakura and Irreversable but that wasn't a good reason for either of them to vote for me), as well as voting me when I had been pushing rEdo probably should have made me at least a bit more skeptical.
I should have said more before dying.
Next time I should probably play nicer and not mess with people's egos. It clearly did not serve us well when people thought I was bad because I had made them mad.
GG
Topic Starter
I think I would give this advice to everyone who's playing, Nacho gave me this advice and I think this stands really true.
Trust people. If you scrutinize everything and especially with bias over one person, you're just screwing yourself over as well as town. Even if that trust is only for a bit, you can always go against it later. Trust is built and lost throughout the course of the game, town read more people than you scum cause it's better that way.
And most importantly DO NOT stick to your reads just because you've said them earlier and that going back on that word makes you look like you don't know what you're saying. Not evaluating your reads further and sticking with the one you had from D1 is definitely more of a sign that shows you don't know what you're doing.
Trust people. If you scrutinize everything and especially with bias over one person, you're just screwing yourself over as well as town. Even if that trust is only for a bit, you can always go against it later. Trust is built and lost throughout the course of the game, town read more people than you scum cause it's better that way.
And most importantly DO NOT stick to your reads just because you've said them earlier and that going back on that word makes you look like you don't know what you're saying. Not evaluating your reads further and sticking with the one you had from D1 is definitely more of a sign that shows you don't know what you're doing.
Yeah, Townhunting is a powerful weapon for town, in the middle of the darkness if you can find companions to trust and form a strong townbloc that scum cant break, Scum's objective is to make town fight against each other by spreading confusion.