Ideology shall paddle forward to be applied, but ends up backpaddling everything else in the process.

(5 years later) can't believe this thread is still going

ikr

It's even pinned now, so it's not in any danger of dying, either.

remember when they deleted the last thread

What is dead may never die

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

What is dead may never die

A moving corpse can stop moving

being unable to move != dead

but a corpse is already dead. For the dead to stop moving is even more dead than the dead they are in

America is third world because of a significant presence of people from the third world.

An interesting (((coincidence))):


So, the (((Left))) imports more diversity, crime and violence skyrockets, and then they blame it on the right to bear arms and use it as an excuse for more government overreach on people's rights. In Australia too, the most pozzed state Victoria is having problems with African gangs terrorizing people's homes. Quite a sad state of affairs.

Okay, okay, I was just commenting on the language of this sentence:

dont compare your third world society to ours

It's pretty close looking at poverty or religiosity or how conservative a state is. The eastern rust belt is just a shithole.

Green Platinum wrote:

It's pretty close looking at poverty or religiosity or how conservative a state is. The eastern rust belt is just a shithole.

Trying to infer loose correlations like that is silly, especially when you can actually look at research on the criminality of all those groups. Religious people commit less crime, conservatives commit less crime, and blacks commit more crime even within the same socio-economic bracket as Whites.

Green Platinum wrote:

It's pretty close looking at poverty or religiosity or how conservative a state is. The eastern rust belt is just a shithole.

Trying to infer causation from loose correlations like that is silly, especially when you can actually look at research on the criminality of all those groups. Religious people commit less crime, conservatives commit less crime, and blacks commit more crime even within the same socio-economic bracket as Whites.

I can't edit any longer.

B1rd wrote:

Trying to infer loose correlations like that is silly

Pretty funny for you to say this.

It goes without saying we're talking about Christians. And don't throw some minor objections and imply that what I'm saying is unfounded. I was talking about all crime, not just violent crime, but if you want to specify homicide: https://randomcriticalanalysis.wordpres ... economics/

As for conservatives committing less crime,

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... t_in_crime

It's self reported so you can't be sure it's accurate, but it's not like you can prove that conservative ideology is the causation of increased crime, so pointing out that Republican states have higher crime rates in meaningless.

Green Platinum wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Trying to infer loose correlations like that is silly

Pretty funny for you to say this.

Pretty funny you have nothing to say excepting indirectly implying things.

Well you did clearly miss the point of my post before. Your hatred for the left has left you blind. There is no point.

No, you're just using lame excuses to avoid to confronting anything thing I've said (as editing your post shows). If you're not going to actually address my arguments then you're just wasting my time.

Haha

I love such comparisons that both the left and the right come up with. Listen, the entirety of the USA is a shithole and everyone there is to blame. Not the whites, not the negros, not the yellows. It's about their national culture being completely fucked up. From the way they raise their children to the way they function as humans - just fucked up.
Such mentality is slowly creeping up to Europe, where old traditions and life are being replaced by feces.

Traditionalism > cancer

I'm personally very sorry for everything that has been happening recently, to all of OT

Momi wrote:

I'm personally very sorry for everything that has been happening recently, to all of OT

What do you mean? You haven’t done anything, have you?

I neither know, nor does it matter because I feel bad either way

Momi wrote:

I neither know, nor does it matter because I feel bad either way

deep

Aqo wrote:

(5 years later) can't believe this thread is still going

Oh shit, what's up Aqo

Aurani wrote:

I love such comparisons that both the left and the right come up with. Listen, the entirety of the USA is a shithole and everyone there is to blame. Not the whites, not the negros, not the yellows. It's about their national culture being completely fucked up. From the way they raise their children to the way they function as humans - just fucked up.
Such mentality is slowly creeping up to Europe, where old traditions and life are being replaced by feces.

Traditionalism > cancer

How irritating are smug and condescending Europeans who think that they're just culturally and politically enlightened compared to the USA. The US's problems aren't its culture, they're a result of an over centralised and corrupt political system that has progressed over decades and a failed melting pot experiment, both of which Europe are going to experience with the EU and its mass migration policies. We'll see who's laughing then.

Culture is largely an expression of genes. If anybody supports mass immigration, he should be required that they spend at least a year living in a country where the proposed immigrants make up a majority.

B1rd wrote:

Culture is largely an expression of genes.

Bahavior is part of culture too, not just appearances

B1rd wrote:

Culture is largely an expression of genes.

l m f a o

Imagine being this deluded, hooly shit. Tell me, B1rd, when you were a NEET who was taking government benefits, did your strong white male genes guide you down that path?

lol

Okay that did make me laugh. It's healthy to make such jokes every now and then, Birdman.

All the problems with the citizens of North America stem from them and them only - not their government nor their..... genes.

Aurani wrote:

Okay that did make me laugh. It's healthy to make such jokes every now and then, Birdman.

All the problems with the citizens of North America stem from them and them only - not their government nor their..... genes.

I'd disagree but my genes are preventing me from forming an opinion other than the one I currently hold. Oh well, off to vote for the Conservatives; it's in my British blood after all. Except whenever Labour are winning. Genes fluctuate like that, it's quite incredible.


Wait, maybe B1rd thinks that his stubbornness is caused by a fucking genetic limitation instead of his ego lol.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote:

B1rd wrote:

Culture is largely an expression of genes.

l m f a o

Imagine being this deluded, hooly shit. Tell me, B1rd, when you were a NEET who was taking government benefits, did your strong white male genes guide you down that path?

Yeah you're really upsetting precedent, being a young labour voter and all.

So tell me, you were the one previously going on about how determinism was valid. So what are the factors in determine someone's behaviour? One is environment, the other is (fill in blank).

So, if you have two genetically distinct populations and subject them to the same circumstances, what will happen? Will they manifest the exact same culture, or will they manifest different cultures?

Don't tell me you've gone full blank-slate theory.

Here is a study that shows that political beliefs are highly heritable, from a left-wing news source at that https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/09/opin ... liefs.html

And another one to throw out there:

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... ard-wired/

B1rd wrote:

Yeah you're really upsetting precedent, being a young labour voter and all.

So tell me, you were the one previously going on about how determinism was valid. So what are the factors in determine someone's behaviour? One is environment, the other is (fill in blank).

So, if you have two genetically distinct populations and subject them to the same circumstances, what will happen? Will they manifest the exact same culture, or will they manifest different cultures?

Don't tell me you've gone full blank-slate theory.

The *same circumstances*? If that's something achievable then yes, I believe that the same culture would manifest, considering how small the genetic variation is between human populations. I don't see how you can reliably create the same circumstances for any two people though, never mind groups large enough to form cultural distinction.

The problem is that blank slate theory can't ethically be tested, and that makes me really sad. Hopefully we can simulate it in the future, or something.

There is extremely small variation between humans and apes, and extremely small genetic variation between humans and all other mammals. I guess the difference between chimps and humans in the same circumstances, their culture would be almost exactly the same! Not just that, there's an extremely small genetic difference between different races of humans and different subspecies of animals (and the genetic differences within races of humans isn't less than between many subspecies of animals), so does that mean that subspecies of animals aren't inherently different?

For all the research you've supposedly done on the subject, you're still extremely ignorant on basic things. There's an entire field of science, quantitative genetics, that is entirely devoted to answering questions related to nature vs nurture, and results consistently show that a significant amount of human behavior is inherited, i.e. genetic. (and if you're a genius, you might be able to work out that if a certain amount of behavior is genetic, that disproves the theory that behaviour is entirely from environmental factors). Did you even click in to the studies that I linked?

And given that a significant potion of human behavior has a genetic basis, i.e. genes interacting with the environment, then it follows that genetically distinct populations will manifest different behaviours, and it's why you can't continue to have White culture if your country isn't majority White. If you take a single individual of one race and insert them in to another group, then likely they will adapt their behaviour to follow that group since the environmental pressure is so strong. But the more people of the different race is a society, the more their genetic tendencies will manifest.

And the fact that the races are genetically distinct can be shown by genetic cluster analysis - if you ask people what their race is, and ask a computer to group those people's genes into clusters based on similarity, then those people's genes will be grouped into the same cluster as others of their self-identified race with an accuracy of 97%.