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Hello~

I can't give a complete modding considering you still have a long ways to go.

First things first, I'll answer all your questions:

1. are my beats well-placed?
Not bad for a newbie! However, they are not intuitive enough to stand up on its own, unfortunately. I recommend you turning on Distance Snap. This will make the notes equidistant depending on its timing. This makes it look prettier, work well, and etc. Your spacing isn't bad though right now. (In a way)

2. is it too short?
It's a fine length. There's a beatmap that's like 30 seconds. This works just fine.

3. what difficulty would you consider this?
I would consider it being a [Hard] or an [Insane] (A really easy one though).

My own comments...This song is too repetitive for its own good. I wouldn't have an issue with this regularly, but the volume for the song is so high that its instruments kind of rape my ears...

I recommend you ending at 00:45:71 (x). Where you end right now is VERY unfulfilling.

That is one cool skin. Is that one of the available skins on here or did you make it yourself?

I think you should change artist...Find the one who did this version of Vermillion City. I know it's not the original. If you can't find it, simply change it to Junichi Masuda. Then do a Full Resubmission.

If you found this post helpful, please give kudosu! To give kudosu, click on the link below my contact information on this post that says 'No kudosu given yet, Award kudosu', or something of that nature.

Good luck.

Starrodkirby86 wrote:

Hello~

I can't give a complete modding considering you still have a long ways to go.

First things first, I'll answer all your questions:

1. are my beats well-placed?
Not bad for a newbie! However, they are not intuitive enough to stand up on its own, unfortunately. I recommend you turning on Distance Snap. This will make the notes equidistant depending on its timing. This makes it look prettier, work well, and etc. Your spacing isn't bad though right now. (In a way)

2. is it too short?
It's a fine length. There's a beatmap that's like 30 seconds. This works just fine.

3. what difficulty would you consider this?
I would consider it being a [Hard] or an [Insane] (A really easy one though).

My own comments...This song is too repetitive for its own good. I wouldn't have an issue with this regularly, but the volume for the song is so high that its instruments kind of rape my ears...

I recommend you ending at 00:45:71 (x). Where you end right now is VERY unfulfilling.

That is one cool skin. Is that one of the available skins on here or did you make it yourself?

I think you should change artist...Find the one who did this version of Vermillion City. I know it's not the original. If you can't find it, simply change it to Junichi Masuda. Then do a Full Resubmission.

If you found this post helpful, please give kudosu! To give kudosu, click on the link below my contact information on this post that says 'No kudosu given yet, Award kudosu', or something of that nature.

Good luck.

ok.

1. i thought i had distance snap on, but i guess when replacing a slider with a circle, it got all wierd.

2. ok great, i thought it would be too short.

3. so, now i know its difficulty. any suggestions for making it easier?

4. (your comments) ok, i'll just make the volume lower, usually i just have my volume on low, so thanks for telling me that.

about the skin, i took the XiStyle skin and added a lot of pokemon stuff to it. the hitcircle overlay, the numbers and part of the cursor is what stayed the same, oh and the spinner BG

and i set the preffered skin to XiStyle, so if you have it, it uses it (i think).

also the approach circle i got from i think the okami skin and the slider follow circle i got from the ipod theme

Wow...you borrowed quite a lot of stuff.

If you're planning to make an easier difficulty, just follow a 1/1 (or quarter beat) pattern with an occasional 1/2 (or eighth) here and there. Don't forget about them sliders, yeah yeah. It's best to play easier difficulties in other beatmaps too to get a feel of them; same goes for whatever other difficulties you're hunting down for.

Starrodkirby86 wrote:

Wow...you borrowed quite a lot of stuff.

If you're planning to make an easier difficulty, just follow a 1/1 (or quarter beat) pattern with an occasional 1/2 (or eighth) here and there. Don't forget about them sliders, yeah yeah. It's best to play easier difficulties in other beatmaps too to get a feel of them; same goes for whatever other difficulties you're hunting down for.

yea, i use XiStyle as my default, so i thought it would look good.

also, thanks for the help/ideas. again.

EDIT: updated it a little, lowered volume, added a couple notes. still need to fix spacing

EDIT2: i just checked and it looks like all the beats are within distance snap range, unless one looks specifically weird to you.
also updated osz file so name of song is correct.

EDIT3: added a medum difficulty.


EDIT4: i just realized, i made that mp3. converted it from the midi. do i put myself as the author? or just leave it like that?

now i have 3 difficulties. anyone wana tell me how to improve?

I would make this a little longer. I am not much of a mod dude, but here are some tips?

Add a spinner at the end of songs.

Add an easy difficulty
Trainer: Great...

Elite Four: I am not sure if it's me, but I think the spacing is a little off. Some beats are... eh... but yeah, they are fine

Champion: Fine

Great job! Great skin BTW =) Starred!

EBAfan101 wrote:

I would make this a little longer. I am not much of a mod dude, but here are some tips?

Add a spinner at the end of songs.

Add an easy difficulty
Trainer: Great...

Elite Four: I am not sure if it's me, but I think the spacing is a little off. Some beats are... eh... but yeah, they are fine

Champion: Fine

Great job! Great skin BTW =) Starred!

o tyvm.

also im going to add Youngster Mode (easy) and Gym (medium-hard) Mode.

also i'll look at E4 Spacing. It was the first one i did, so it probably is off a little.

EDIT: should i add more to the skin? like the HP bar, and other things?

EDIT2: i could also loop the song again to make it ~45sec longer. then i could add more beats.

EDIT3: fixed spacing on E4 Mode.

BananasGoMoo wrote:

EBAfan101 wrote:

I would make this a little longer. I am not much of a mod dude, but here are some tips?

Add a spinner at the end of songs.

Add an easy difficulty
Trainer: Great...

Elite Four: I am not sure if it's me, but I think the spacing is a little off. Some beats are... eh... but yeah, they are fine

Champion: Fine

Great job! Great skin BTW =) Starred!

o tyvm.

also im going to add Youngster Mode (easy) and Gym (medium-hard) Mode.

also i'll look at E4 Spacing. It was the first one i did, so it probably is off a little.

EDIT: should i add more to the skin? like the HP bar, and other things?

EDIT2: i could also loop the song again to make it ~45sec longer. then i could add more beats.

EDIT3: fixed spacing on E4 Mode.

Yeah try to loop it. The skin is fine, the HP is... yeah so edit that a little.Maybe add the Green, yellow, and red color, similar to Pokemon =)

EBAfan101 wrote:

BananasGoMoo wrote:

EBAfan101 wrote:

I would make this a little longer. I am not much of a mod dude, but here are some tips?

Add a spinner at the end of songs.

Add an easy difficulty
Trainer: Great...

Elite Four: I am not sure if it's me, but I think the spacing is a little off. Some beats are... eh... but yeah, they are fine

Champion: Fine

Great job! Great skin BTW =) Starred!

o tyvm.

also im going to add Youngster Mode (easy) and Gym (medium-hard) Mode.

also i'll look at E4 Spacing. It was the first one i did, so it probably is off a little.

EDIT: should i add more to the skin? like the HP bar, and other things?

EDIT2: i could also loop the song again to make it ~45sec longer. then i could add more beats.

EDIT3: fixed spacing on E4 Mode.

Yeah try to loop it. The skin is fine, the HP is... yeah so edit that a little.Maybe add the Green, yellow, and red color, similar to Pokemon =)

ok well i added Youngster Mode. and now i'm gunna work on the HP.

gunna make it look like pokemon yellow HP.

updated it last night, i added some more skin changes, mostly from the "Pokemon Gen 1" skin somewhere on the forums.


EDIT: more feedback please.

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Love the skin. Great work on that.

Trainer - Perfect, no problems.

Elite 4 - Pretty great also, just one minor problem, on 00:03:33, note 6 ends at the same time of slider 5. Move it a bit or remove it.

Champion - No problems. Pretty good and fun.

ty everyone who's replied so far.

also, Starrodkirby, my sliders are wierd because sometimes when i save they change randomly, and i don't understand why. but i'm going to work on fixing everything you said so far.

BananasGoMoo wrote:

ty everyone who's replied so far.

also, Starrodkirby, my sliders are wierd because sometimes when i save they cange randomly, and i don't understand why. but i'm going to work on fixing everything you said so far.

Is this the problem you've been having?

Not a bad map for a first timer, I'll give it a formal mod later.

0_o wrote:

BananasGoMoo wrote:

ty everyone who's replied so far.

also, Starrodkirby, my sliders are wierd because sometimes when i save they cange randomly, and i don't understand why. but i'm going to work on fixing everything you said so far.

Is this the problem you've been having?

Not a bad map for a first timer, I'll give it a formal mod later.

yes thats the problem. thanks.

also thanks, i'm surprised how many people say its good for a first map.

is there another way to end a slider besides right-clicking?

Updated: Updated all difficulties.

To-do: Gym Difficulty.

Funny skinning. I are amused.

Champion
00:02:738- add hit to mimic? [ 00:00:47 (2,3,4) - ]
00:11:19 (4,5) - too far
00:14:04 (5,6,7) - can you pull these down so tehy dont overlap the fading notes?
00:26:19 (10) - improper stacking. look at how the triple hit before it overlaps. also. dont new combo till next slider?
00:30:95 (3) - ^
In general I would rather see more sliders rather than 13 hit single beat combos everywhere.

elite 4
00:03:333- deserves a hit.
00:03:80 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2) - i think this looks beyond ugly. use spacing rules u used here-> 00:09:04 (1,2) - ?
00:12:85 (6) - spacing
00:20:71 (8,9) - ^
00:24:52 (1,2,3,4) - ugly again. then it doesnt make sense with where you put 5
00:29:99 (7) - nasty spacing again.
Again you should really try to normalize spacing. There were like 3 different kinds of irregular spacing even though the song is pretty repetitive on its own. My new preference of a solution is drop everything on grid snap 2. Also, This felt pretty much the same as champion.

trainer-
00:20:95 (7,1,2) - awkward sliders to me. suggestion
00:20:95 (7) - slider here, end where 1 starts.
00:21:90 (1) - new slider here, end on next white.
00:22:85 (2) - reduce so that it ends at (00:24:761, making the repeat point 00:23:809)
00:25:476 this free space could be another small slider or a triple hit
salrite. kinda boring but youll get that with this kind of difficulty. You would get much further if you could make much cleaner shapes and patterns with your hits. The spacing is fine but it kinda plays off as ugly.

Good progression =D

edit- what exactly were you trying to get at with the slider ends question? I usually just plant them then move the anchor points afterwards.

also. I advise to not add more difficulties, especially for a first map. It multiplies the work for modders and the mapper. Lazy modders might see 5 difficulties then just look for easier kudos =p Keep it simple for your first one imo. Maybe even merge the two hard difficulties.

Starrodkirby86 wrote:

its instruments kind of rape my ears...

teehee!

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Rapid modding actionactionaction.

champion
00:03:33 (5,6,7,8) - This sounds off to me. Try reversing it - moving the sliders to where 5 is. then put 5 in the empty space. It should match the music better?
00:19:04 (9,1) - unfair jump.
00:36:66 (8) - spacing.. kinda.
00:41:66 (4,5) - reverse order again.

elite-
00:02:61 (4,5,6,7,1) - move around so they dont overlap? Generally i think it is preferable you do not do partial overlaps when you dont need to.

trainer-
00:10:23 (6) - sounds terrible =x
00:20:95 - still sounds nasty to me =( i like my suggestion. If you insist on keepthing this way at least move 00:21:90 (1) - up 1/2

would you like me to do a spacing runthrough for you and give you the .osu's?

fufe wrote:

Rapid modding actionactionaction.

champion
00:03:33 (5,6,7,8) - This sounds off to me. Try reversing it - moving the sliders to where 5 is. then put 5 in the empty space. It should match the music better?
00:19:04 (9,1) - unfair jump.
00:36:66 (8) - spacing.. kinda.
00:41:66 (4,5) - reverse order again.

elite-
00:02:61 (4,5,6,7,1) - move around so they dont overlap? Generally i think it is preferable you do not do partial overlaps when you dont need to.

trainer-
00:10:23 (6) - sounds terrible =x
00:20:95 - still sounds nasty to me =( i like my suggestion. If you insist on keepthing this way at least move 00:21:90 (1) - up 1/2

would you like me to do a spacing runthrough for you and give you the .osu's?

first of all, i still need to do these suggestions but on the trainer one, i did change it like you said to, i thought.

Anyways, TO THE EDITOR.

and yes, a spacing thing would be helpful.

EDIT: updated & ty

Heres a Spacing "fix" Version i came up with. I tried to follow the flow and direction of the hits. Most of them translated (to me) into simple circular patterns. Anyway, I hope I didn't stomp on your style too hard. This is purely suggestion you can use it all, parts of it, or just ignore it completely. If you do use it i would give the slider shapes another looksee.

Download: Junichi Masuda - Vermilion City (BananasGoMoo) [Trainer-fufed].osu

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Mafiamaster wrote:

Wow, this is really good for it being your first map~
Your beats are way too early so change the offset to 60, then resnap.

this actually helped. i didnt notice it really before (maybe cuz its only 60) but it does sound a bit better now that i did that.

Light modding

Youngster:
00:19:10 (1,2,3,4) - if this was intended to be a line, please make it a straight line
00:27:67 (1) - having the slider start on part of the slider was slightly confusing on the direction it was going
00:37:67 (1) - it might look better to put this under the start of 3

Trainer:
00:21:96 (1) - too close
00:35:29 (5,6,7) - make these parallel to the next combo's 1,2,3
00:41:01 (6) - look nice if you can have 6 continue the line created by 5 and the beginning of 6

Elite 4:
00:27:44 (4,5,6,1,2,3) - y did the spacing grow here?

Champion:
00:15:53 (2,3,4,5) - make 2,3,4 parallel and make 5 not be overlapped
00:40:29 (1) - too far

Your mapping style does not seem to align many things, so I did not press on alignment issues. Overall, a fun map. Star.

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Download: Junichi Masuda - Vermilion City (BananasGoMoo) [Cheese].osu

CheeseWarlock wrote:

Informal BAT modding time 'cause it's Pokemon RBY music~

First, let's tackle the skinning. The XiStyle stuff makes no sense here. Even if you like it, it doesn't really fit at all. There's no reason to force the skin OR put some of the graphics in the folder. Especially the hitcircleoverlay, it looks terrible over the Pokeballs. Steal the one from Elite Beat Osu! or something. In conclusion: let the user have their skin of choice. FOR FREEDOM AND GLORY!

Your skinning is pretty good, though. The Clefairy doesn't really work well, I find: it doesn't stand out enough and Clefairy doesn't exactly scream "reverse". And the Oddish spins fully twice, then starts going around again before jerking back to an upright position, and it does all that 3 times every second. Smooth out the transition; make each frame rotated 36 degrees from the last. And you could choose a new Pokemon too; a Raichu/Pikachu/Voltorb sliderball and a Magnemite reversearrow would go well with Vermilion city's Lt. Surge and his electric-types.

As for the mapping, it lacks spice. Especially on the easier difficulties: the mapping is so straightforward that it could be pretty much any 126 BPM song. And the harder difficulties lack challenge; the only places Champion ever messes me up are spots like 00:08:15 (1,2,3,4,5) - where the mapping doesn't even really fit the music. I agree that Champion's hits are spaced too close together. You might want to increase the slider velocity in your harder difficulties- it'll bump up the auto-spacing even if you don't change the Distance Spacing Multiplier.

The offset feels better to me at 54.

Last note: Your new combos are pretty random a lot of the time. If you have any formal musical training, you should try to align it to phrases in the music. Or if that doesn't make sense to you: In this song, every fourth beat (every beat that has the different-sounding metronome tick) is a place where you CAN (not SHOULD or MUST) put a new combo.

Included is a small example of where to place new combos, and some ideas for when to place beats to keep easier difficulties fun. (And it's spaced out more, too, but yours doesn't have to be.)

i'll get to looking into your suggestions in a minute, but i'm posting to say i changed the reverse arrow to porygon, and i would like to know if thats better.

and no, i don't have formal music training. i played the piano for a little while and sucked at it and thats about it.

also about the skin, i might do more pokemon music so i want a skin i can use for multiple pokemon songs. so i don't want to do specifically electric, or something.

BananasGoMoo wrote:

also about the skin, i might do more pokemon music so i want a skin i can use for multiple pokemon songs. so i don't want to do specifically electric, or something.

Download the Pokemon skin, and install it (put it in osu!/Skins). In your map, go to Song Setup. In the Storyboarding tab set Pokemon as the preferred skin. Then delete the skin stuff in your folder.

That's assuming you want to use that Pokemon skin.

I'm not sure if you need permission to do that. Probably not, though, as you're not adding it to your map; you're "linking" it.

strager wrote:

BananasGoMoo wrote:

also about the skin, i might do more pokemon music so i want a skin i can use for multiple pokemon songs. so i don't want to do specifically electric, or something.

Download the Pokemon skin, and install it (put it in osu!/Skins). In your map, go to Song Setup. In the Storyboarding tab set Pokemon as the preferred skin. Then delete the skin stuff in your folder.

That's assuming you want to use that Pokemon skin.

I'm not sure if you need permission to do that. Probably not, though, as you're not adding it to your map; you're "linking" it.

eh, i like mine overall better, but i like those numbers, do you think they'll look better for numbers? like the beat-hitting ones.


EDIT: problem with skin: porygon is only above the circle on one side, on the other its under the circle, how do i fix this?

edit: fixed it, uploaded an updated skin, now i need to get some new circle numbers and new combo numbers (the 100, 300, 50, etc)

EDIT: still working on cheese's suggestions.

EDIT: Fixed combos, need to fix oddish still. No "Preferred" Skin anymore.

Ah, Vermillion city... Do you know it's called Aranciopoli in the Italian Pokèmon game? (it's something like Orange burg...)

Trainer
[00:03:410] (1) finish here
[00:11:020] (1, 2) finsh on 1st, clap on 2nd!
[00:11:955] (3, 4) end these sliders with a finish!
[00:18:644] (2) another finish here
[00:20:942] (7) apply whistle or finish sounds on all this slider
[00:25:553] (3, 4) whistle on the slider, finish on the beat!
[00:30:526] (1, 2) for these sliders, follow a "rhythm chart" like this: clap-whistle, clap-whistle
[00:41:000] (4) whistle on the start, clap on the end!

Elite 4
[General] sometimes beats are too near from each others; try to space some of them depending of the song's rhythm...
[00:00:960] (5) for example, move this beat a bit distant from the others of the combo series
[00:03:282] (5, 6, 7) it's a bit confusing this passage.. move down these three beats
[00:08:068] add a beat a little before the 4th beat; plus, move the 6th beat a little further from the others!
[00:14:438] add a beat here OR create a slider starting from 7th beat and ending here
[00:30:566] add another beat here!

Champion
[00:00:800] (4) remove the clap here (I'll post more sound tips later...)

A GREAT start for a new mapper; good job!
I'll post the 8th star, now it's up to you!

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You might wanna change the difficulty "Trainer"

Make it a bit easier, it seems a bit like Normal, and it should be easy.

EBAfan101 wrote:

You might wanna change the difficulty "Trainer"

Make it a bit easier, it seems a bit like Normal, and it should be easy.

Youngster -> Trainer -> Elite 4 -> Champion

Easy -> Normal -> Hard -> Insane

Trainer = Normal

Right?

I haven't looked at it but you may wanna move this to Pending.

strager wrote:

EBAfan101 wrote:

You might wanna change the difficulty "Trainer"

Make it a bit easier, it seems a bit like Normal, and it should be easy.

Youngster -> Trainer -> Elite 4 -> Champion

Easy -> Normal -> Hard -> Insane

Trainer = Normal

Right?

I haven't looked at it but you may wanna move this to Pending.

yes, trainer = normal.

oh, and is it good enough to move/how do i move it?

EDIT: PM'ed Cheese, and he said i should change slider velocity up more, so i'm going to look into doing that.

~Youngster~
Very similar to Trainer.

~Trainer~
Fine.

~Elite 4~
Fine.

~Champion~
00:37:43 (5) - hard to see imo.
01:00:76 (1) - move starting point to 01:01:006


+Star

DJPop wrote:

~Youngster~
Very similar to Trainer.

~Trainer~
Fine.

~Elite 4~
Fine.

~Champion~
00:37:43 (5) - hard to see imo.
01:00:76 (1) - move starting point to 01:01:006


+Star

updated, and ty.

also still need to get to adjusting the slider velocity.

Lots of modding in IRC, trying to get spacing down perfect. Weee~