Drace wrote:

So players should switch skins every time they play a key-sounded or hit sounded map? Great solution, this definitely makes osu!mania more appealing than it's competitors.

User preference will automatically switch it , not much of a hassle

Loctav wrote:

Okay, you misunderstand how this thing work:
- If there is a keysounded map, it is basically treating the hitsounds as "map specific" and overwrites skin-default ones. So whatever skin you use, map's specific hitsounds are played
- You can put silent hitsounds in your skin. Whenever no custom-hitsounds (aka keysounds) are used, ituses the skin-specific ones -> the silent ones, if you put silent skin hitsounds. Default osu! ones, if you have none in your skin folder.
- If you want to also remove the keysounded notes or custom-hitsounded ones, you can click "Ignore Hitsounds" on Visual Settings before the map starts (bottom popup). Whenever you click the "Ignore Hitsounds" option, it ignores ALL HITSOUNDS IN THE MAPSET and uses the skin specific ones (e.g. silent hitsounds)

lZenxl wrote:

Lastly, if you can't hitsound your map, even with the simplest clap rhythm or bass kick (drum finish) rhythm I think you are just plain lazy..

Drace wrote:

Loctav wrote:

Okay, you misunderstand how this thing work:
- If there is a keysounded map, it is basically treating the hitsounds as "map specific" and overwrites skin-default ones. So whatever skin you use, map's specific hitsounds are played
- You can put silent hitsounds in your skin. Whenever no custom-hitsounds (aka keysounds) are used, ituses the skin-specific ones -> the silent ones, if you put silent skin hitsounds. Default osu! ones, if you have none in your skin folder.
- If you want to also remove the keysounded notes or custom-hitsounded ones, you can click "Ignore Hitsounds" on Visual Settings before the map starts (bottom popup). Whenever you click the "Ignore Hitsounds" option, it ignores ALL HITSOUNDS IN THE MAPSET and uses the skin specific ones (e.g. silent hitsounds)

I see. Though all my other points still stand and my opinions remains unchanging.

Agka wrote:

lZenxl wrote:

Lastly, if you can't hitsound your map, even with the simplest clap rhythm or bass kick (drum finish) rhythm I think you are just plain lazy..

You're making an assumption here.
You're just assuming everyone who is against hitsounds is lazy.
Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe some people think hitsounds don't fit their map and their enforcement makes it lower quality?

Love ya~

lZenxl wrote:

Fourthly, if you don't want any hitsounds on your map heard at all, because it is not the intended experience, put it in the description or use "preferred skin" to achieve this effect.

lZenxl wrote:

I don't get why we are competing between autoconverts.

Auto converts will be worse than mania specific:
1. Slider ends tend to not make sense, they don't end at a significant beat
2. Notes are randomly placed, you can't have a 7K+1 correct convert since the special key is going to be used as often as the other keys
3. Auto converts do not have patterns that are fun, they are not coded to make running men, jack hammers, reverb notes at the correct time
4. Auto converts do not have correct note count when converted, it depends on the hitsound on the note, if the whole map is using custom hitsounds with hitfinish being the common note, the player is going to have a bad time
5. Awkward placement of notes that you have difficulty with, ring and middle finger 1/8 triplets
6. The only seemingly pattern is the stairs

Drace wrote:

lZenxl wrote:

I don't get why we are competing between autoconverts.

Auto converts will be worse than mania specific:
1. Slider ends tend to not make sense, they don't end at a significant beat
2. Notes are randomly placed, you can't have a 7K+1 correct convert since the special key is going to be used as often as the other keys
3. Auto converts do not have patterns that are fun, they are not coded to make running men, jack hammers, reverb notes at the correct time
4. Auto converts do not have correct note count when converted, it depends on the hitsound on the note, if the whole map is using custom hitsounds with hitfinish being the common note, the player is going to have a bad time
5. Awkward placement of notes that you have difficulty with, ring and middle finger 1/8 triplets
6. The only seemingly pattern is the stairs

You've basically just agreed with me.

lZenxl wrote:

lZenxl wrote:

Fourthly, if you don't want any hitsounds on your map heard at all, because it is not the intended experience, put it in the description or use "preferred skin" to achieve this effect.

Love ya too

Spy wrote:

Please make a new rule
You must make the map same as Ende.
It's really the best map I seen.

lZenxl wrote:

If this argument is going to keep going like this, it is not going anywhere.
First things first, peppy strongly rejects the idea of a single hitsound, therefore silent hitsound is just going to be rejected in a second
Secondly, xxbidao is trying to recommend silent hitsound, which is a great input on maps, however, silent hitsound can be achieved simply through skinning and ignoring hitsounds.
Thirdly, if hitsounding is TRULY needed for maps to rank, I don't think it is as much of a deal, hitsounding is NOT hard at all, key-sounding is hard since you have to go through countless processing of audio to get there. No one is asking you to key-sound the entire map, just a simple hitsound rhythm will suffice.
Fourthly, if you don't want any hitsounds on your map heard at all, because it is not the intended experience, put it in the description or use "preferred skin" to achieve this effect.
Lastly, if you can't hitsound your map, even with the simplest clap rhythm or bass kick (drum finish) rhythm I think you are just plain lazy.

Why hitsound the map?
I don't know, ask peppy or for the sake of being able to hear what is being pressed down, I have no strong disagreement to why you must hitsound the map, or not to. I just don't think this is a big deal here we are facing, after all, hitsounding is not hard to the extent that you quit mapping.

Reikosaka wrote:

i don't know really what's going on, but i wish this new rules will be change again to normal that mapper/modder/player want.

Reikosaka wrote:

i don't know really what's going on, but i wish this new rules will be change again to normal that mapper/modder/player want.

Spy wrote:

Please make a new rule
You must make the map same as Ende.
It's really the best map I seen.

Spy wrote:

Please make a new rule
You must make the map same as Ende.
It's really the best map I seen.

Loctav wrote:

Spy wrote:

Please make a new rule
You must make the map same as Ende.
It's really the best map I seen.

Because being a dick makes everyone listen to you way more.

woc2006 wrote:

[17:29] <woc2006> we don't need to talk about sound anymore. I'd already follow it.
[17:29] <woc2006> the new plan is help mappers add sound

Loctav wrote:

Let me quote something for you:

woc2006 wrote:

[17:29] <woc2006> we don't need to talk about sound anymore. I'd already follow it.
[17:29] <woc2006> the new plan is help mappers add sound

The trouble is not made by me. I just enforce rules that has been settled by the developers, which have been claimed as "fundamental"
woc's plan was it to "slowly introduce hitsounds/keysounds/sounds-at-all to be mandatory for mania". I ruined the plan, unfortunately.
But don't act up like that so much. The trouble is coming from your side and your stubbornness to understand the philosophy and need we see in adding hitsounds, keysounds, howeversounds to your beatmaps.

Also if you don't want to hear bullshit anymore, stop talking bullshit then.