I believe that love is not a question of gender or political correctness, or even age. Do you believe gay love is correct, should it be allowed? If so, what is your view if not your reasoning?
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Majority of the users here aren't old enough to provide any sensible arguments regarding this topic. I suggest you go somewhere else.
I can see this thread exploding as soon as someone disagrees, though you'd have to be some sort of ultra conservative in this day and age to disapprove of the act regardless of marriage laws. Please no.
I believe that love is not a question of gender or political correctness, or even age. Do you believe gay love is correct, should it be allowed? If so, what is your view if not your reasoning?
In my opinion i think that everyone is free to choose whatever they want with their lifes,though if we look well into this topic there is actually religions who say that Gay marriage/Gay intercourse is a sin.
i couldnt really say i see it as a wrong thing..as i mentioned before i think each human being has the possibility to choose their own path and life but the majority population does see it as wrong
as from the adoption,marriage yadayada. in a way i dont think its right a gay couple take care of a kid still they are CAPABLE to do what a normal couple do,well yet this kind of topic its still somehow a bit of taboo for our generation i guess? (perphaps thats just me lols i dont really know much either im judging who is gay yet there is always wrong sides whenever it comes to topics like these.
Resuming..if its correct or not its up to each individual minds.
In my opinion i think that everyone is free to choose whatever they want with their lifes,though if we look well into this topic there is actually religions who say that Gay marriage/Gay intercourse is a sin.
i couldnt really say i see it as a wrong thing..as i mentioned before i think each human being has the possibility to choose their own path and life but the majority population does see it as wrong
as from the adoption,marriage yadayada. in a way i dont think its right a gay couple take care of a kid still they are CAPABLE to do what a normal couple do,well yet this kind of topic its still somehow a bit of taboo for our generation i guess? (perphaps thats just me lols i dont really know much either im judging who is gay yet there is always wrong sides whenever it comes to topics like these.
Resuming..if its correct or not its up to each individual minds.
I certainly don't believe that homosexuals should any kind of special treatment, but they should be allowed to do as they like and who they like.
Topic Starter
I apologize if this is taboo on this site I was just wonder what some of my fellow osu!ers thought :/ I apologize if this is offensive.
anybody who even thinks of gay people being "different" should get special treatment, they arent any more different than you or me.
silmarilen wrote:
anybody who even thinks of gay people being "different" should get special treatment, they aren't any more different than you or me.
Hahah no!4c1dR4inb0w wrote:
I apologize if this is taboo on this site I was just wonder what some of my fellow osu!ers thought :/ I apologize if this is offensive.
i just meant it as general discussion it is kind of taboo for some people
also
+1silmarilen wrote:
anybody who even thinks of gay people being "different" should get special treatment, they arent any more different than you or me.
>Believe
>Not agree
Come on OP, gay rights aren't a fairy tale or some kind of conspiracy erected by Jews
Anyway it's not really something I wholeheartedly agree with, but everyone should be able to do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe upon other's rights.
>Not agree
Come on OP, gay rights aren't a fairy tale or some kind of conspiracy erected by Jews
Anyway it's not really something I wholeheartedly agree with, but everyone should be able to do what they want, as long as it doesn't infringe upon other's rights.
^silmarilen wrote:
anybody who even thinks of gay people being "different" should get special treatment, they arent any more different than you or me.
Homosexuals should be given equal rights like just the rest of us.
i actually googled up arguments against, and one of 'm was 'it offends god'.
lol
lol
**petition to change form Gay Rights to Humans Rights**
best post in this thread by farSotodashi wrote:
I'm Swedish.
anyway, yes, i do support or """""believe""""" in gay rights. people who say that it's wrong and ruins the traditional value of marriage (or something else ridiculous) should jump off a cliff because what does it matter to them?
</thread>boat wrote:
Majority of the users here aren't old enough to provide any sensible arguments regarding this topic. I suggest you go somewhere else.
This kind of sensitive topic could transform into a flamewar at any time. I am not sure it should go on, really. osu! isn't the appropriate place for that.
As long as the thread stays civil, you can keep discussing.
Please keep in mind that everyone has also the right to have their own opinion, so if someone appears with a disagreeing point of view, you shouldn't rampage on them.
@thread I see no reason why people like me shouldn't be able to marry or adopt children. It's not that we would take away other people's chances to also adopt children or to marry. From a psychological aspect, it's shown that children do not give a poot about the gender of the parents, as long as it has a peer person.
Please keep in mind that everyone has also the right to have their own opinion, so if someone appears with a disagreeing point of view, you shouldn't rampage on them.
@thread I see no reason why people like me shouldn't be able to marry or adopt children. It's not that we would take away other people's chances to also adopt children or to marry. From a psychological aspect, it's shown that children do not give a poot about the gender of the parents, as long as it has a peer person.
Seph
I believe in gay rights. Why, would it hurt if another man married another man? Even your god didn't say anything about it, so why should anybody else do?
I have a lot of gay friends and I find them really fun to talk to, and most of them are even smarter than the normal guys.
also most gay people are pretty much good looking than the normal ones so guys, think of it that they are trying to help you get a girl
I have a lot of gay friends and I find them really fun to talk to, and most of them are even smarter than the normal guys.
also most gay people are pretty much good looking than the normal ones so guys, think of it that they are trying to help you get a girl
; - )Seph wrote:
also most gay people are pretty much good looking than the normal ones so guys, think of it that they are trying to help you get a girl
I personally do not know a single person that does not "believe" in gay rights. Then again, most of the people I "personally know" are on the internet these days...but outside of 13 year olds and uber-religious people it probably remains the same
For me, I am pretty much apathetic. I don't care if you are gay or not but I also don't care what rights you have or don't have.
I probably sound like a jerk but yeah...
I probably sound like a jerk but yeah...
I personally know one person who is gay, and it's no other than my brother. I went to a forum that discussed about that very question, and one said we don't have a sexual orientation, but we are interested more in girls or boys. There shouldn't be any difference between gay and non-gay people. If we call them so, it's because of the difference they have, the difference we have defined. Should be believe in gay rights? I shouldn't. Because we shouldn't talk about them.
Why, will you ask me.
I find that talking about gay rights is a problem since it implicitly means that they don't have any towards the law. (As in love-wise, they can't marry unless they are from a few countries)
In France, right now, I don't know if you have heard about the law allowing gay/lesbian marriages (Mariage pour tous or Marriage for everyone). This is a very good idea to make everyone equal to marriage, but what saddens me (and a lot of people) is the Manif pour tous, being opposed (by manifesting in the streets), and claiming that gay people do not deserve such a good treat. (Using the family arguments, or to say it's disgusting)
Why, will you ask me.
I find that talking about gay rights is a problem since it implicitly means that they don't have any towards the law. (As in love-wise, they can't marry unless they are from a few countries)
In France, right now, I don't know if you have heard about the law allowing gay/lesbian marriages (Mariage pour tous or Marriage for everyone). This is a very good idea to make everyone equal to marriage, but what saddens me (and a lot of people) is the Manif pour tous, being opposed (by manifesting in the streets), and claiming that gay people do not deserve such a good treat. (Using the family arguments, or to say it's disgusting)
As someone who has friends that are into their own gender, I support the rights of them able to marry one another. Even though our government is trying to put a stop in it. I don't think it's right for them to control who is allowed to love and who isn't. We are allowed to choice who we want to be with. (psh, even with the new laws saying they allowed gay marriage, people still deny it.)
Gotta make volatile threads explode, I guess.
The problem, I think, is making LGBT a non-issue
Or at least tone it down to the point that it's just another difference in sexual preference, like how people would look at a fetish or something.
But that's the thing. If anything it bothers me it's just how many heads rise at the mention of anything related to gays. People suddenly climb up to their moral high grounds, ready to intercept anyone willing to say anything against them. Bleeding hearts are everywhere. Fucks are given to no end. Banners, logos, slogans, and unions are made, ultimately segmenting the LGBT group from regular society even more. What should be accepted as normal stands out the most.
I doubt LGBT will become a non-issue. Racism still exists, people care about political correctness, and you can get your head chewed off for seriously stating that you're uncomfortable around <insert unprivileged group here>. I'm all up for equal rights and then seeing how that'll go, but I don't think the issue will ever disappear.
Homosexuality is strictly, well, sexual. Love doesn't fit in anywhere in the equation. For example, while there can be gay love in the sense that two men love each other and also want each other's bodies, they don't always go hand in hand. Two men can love each other and not feel any carnal desire and viceversa.
When people ask "what's wrong with two men loving each other?!" I cringe. People immediately jump to the conclusion that that means they're gay, because clearly two men caring for each other obviously means they want to be butt buds. Point is sexuality and love aren't mutually inclusive. Please don't use love so casually.
The problem, I think, is making LGBT a non-issue
Or at least tone it down to the point that it's just another difference in sexual preference, like how people would look at a fetish or something.
But that's the thing. If anything it bothers me it's just how many heads rise at the mention of anything related to gays. People suddenly climb up to their moral high grounds, ready to intercept anyone willing to say anything against them. Bleeding hearts are everywhere. Fucks are given to no end. Banners, logos, slogans, and unions are made, ultimately segmenting the LGBT group from regular society even more. What should be accepted as normal stands out the most.
I doubt LGBT will become a non-issue. Racism still exists, people care about political correctness, and you can get your head chewed off for seriously stating that you're uncomfortable around <insert unprivileged group here>. I'm all up for equal rights and then seeing how that'll go, but I don't think the issue will ever disappear.
This is another thing that bothers me.4c1dR4inb0w wrote:
I believe that love is not a question of gender or political correctness, or even age. Do you believe gay love is correct, should it be allowed? If so, what is your view if not your reasoning?
Homosexuality is strictly, well, sexual. Love doesn't fit in anywhere in the equation. For example, while there can be gay love in the sense that two men love each other and also want each other's bodies, they don't always go hand in hand. Two men can love each other and not feel any carnal desire and viceversa.
When people ask "what's wrong with two men loving each other?!" I cringe. People immediately jump to the conclusion that that means they're gay, because clearly two men caring for each other obviously means they want to be butt buds. Point is sexuality and love aren't mutually inclusive. Please don't use love so casually.
I think you're being rather anal if you'll excuse the pun. The fact is that most people in romantic relationships are also in sexual ones. People with affectional orientation and sexual orientation outside of the norm are persecuted minorities most anywhere and something like equal marriage rights supports them both in the long run. Seeing as how the words love and romance aren't exactly interchangeable and that the former can be a euphemism for sex in the first place, I don't see why it would bother you; gay primarily refers to homosexual and possibly homoromantic people, not just homoromantic.Brian OA wrote:
Homosexuality is strictly, well, sexual. Love doesn't fit in anywhere in the equation. For example, while there can be gay love in the sense that two men love each other and also want each other's bodies, they don't always go hand in hand. Two men can love each other and not feel any carnal desire and viceversa.
When people ask "what's wrong with two men loving each other?!" I cringe. People immediately jump to the conclusion that that means they're gay, because clearly two men caring for each other obviously means they want to be butt buds. Point is sexuality and love aren't mutually inclusive. Please don't use love so casually.
Looking back I regret writing that the way I did.Jarby wrote:
I think you're being rather anal if you'll excuse the pun. The fact is that most people in romantic relationships are also in sexual ones. People with affectional orientation and sexual orientation outside of the norm are persecuted minorities most anywhere and something like equal marriage rights supports them both in the long run. Seeing as how the words love and romance aren't exactly interchangeable and that the former can be a euphemism for sex in the first place, I don't see why it would bother you; gay primarily refers to homosexual and possibly homoromantic people, not just homoromantic.Brian OA wrote:
Homosexuality is strictly, well, sexual. Love doesn't fit in anywhere in the equation. For example, while there can be gay love in the sense that two men love each other and also want each other's bodies, they don't always go hand in hand. Two men can love each other and not feel any carnal desire and viceversa.
When people ask "what's wrong with two men loving each other?!" I cringe. People immediately jump to the conclusion that that means they're gay, because clearly two men caring for each other obviously means they want to be butt buds. Point is sexuality and love aren't mutually inclusive. Please don't use love so casually.
I'll admit though, I haven't looked at it that way before.
Best post in the thread.Jarby wrote:
I think you're being rather anal if you'll excuse the pun.
I believe in human rights, homosexual or not.
I THINK THAT PEOPLE WHO DONT WATCH FOOTBALL SHOULD HAVE EQUAL RIGHTS
she_old
You sly fuckerJarby wrote:
I think you're being rather anal if you'll excuse the pun.
o.o
In a gay relationship someone is wearing the purse, so someone should be in the kitchen. :3
Gay rights should not be a "thing".
I don't see why gays shouldn't fall under basic "human rights" like the rest of us. There should be no need to distinguish human rights based on sexual orientation, because that's fucking retarded.
I don't see why gays shouldn't fall under basic "human rights" like the rest of us. There should be no need to distinguish human rights based on sexual orientation, because that's fucking retarded.
rude. no i'm just kidding man. i haven't read all of the posts in this thread, but i'll just drop by to leave my own argument.Sync wrote:
I personally do not know a single person that does not "believe" in gay rights. Then again, most of the people I "personally know" are on the internet these days...but outside of 13 year olds and uber-religious people it probably remains the same
i support human rights. we all are human, aren't we? regardless of whoever the fuck we love or whoever we identify as (not sure this counts for the topic), we all are human. we must not forget that we all are of the same species. none of us should have any 'special treatment,' such as only straight individuals. not saying
insight from a dumb thirteen year old who likes other girls. //wooshes off with the wind.
Well if your dog was proficient in human language and has an IQ above 100 and/or there is some other manner in obtaining informed consent, I don't see why that is a problem.
silmarilen wrote:
anybody who even thinks of gay people being "different" should get special treatment, they arent any more different than you or me.
Tell me where this is so I can live there.Miracle Lotus wrote:
Gay people already have more rights than straight people.
My state is considering kicking homosexuals out of school for extra money going toward education. It's one thing to not let them get married, but it's another to let their education be denied based on their sexual orientation. I'd be damned if I got kicked out of school because I like other females. I don't see this as 'more rights' than straight people.
Miracle Lotus
Canada.Hika wrote:
Tell me where this is so I can live there.Miracle Lotus wrote:
Gay people already have more rights than straight people.
My state is considering kicking homosexuals out of school for extra money going toward education. It's one thing to not let them get married, but it's another to let their education be denied based on their sexual orientation. I'd be damned if I got kicked out of school because I like other females. I don't see this as 'more rights' than straight people.
Them having more rights as in, being protected by activists.
favorite thread right here
A while ago, during the week right before the presidential elections (in November 2012), my church decided to release a "guide" to voting for the "correct" president if you were still contemplating. I was outraged when I seen it because at the top of the list of things you shouldn't even consider (as in you should be against them no matter what) was Homosexual Marriage.
After raging over it for a while, I went to my aunt who is the Director of Religious Education and pretty much demanded to know what right she and the other officials of the church have to tell people who to vote for based on Homosexual Marriage and Gay Rights. Her response was something similar to "the Bible says that being gay is wrong," and "God clearly says that being homosexual is a sin."
I definitely wasn't going to stand for that because as the only open-minded Catholic kid in my church, I believed it wasn't gay rights, it was human rights. And although I can't vote yet, I believe I have the right to have my own opinion. So, for the next week or so, I searched the Internet and read the Bible for myself to find these words my aunt was proclaiming existed.
And lemme tell you, they don't. Not once in the Bible does God outright say "homosexuality is wrong, sinful, and you will absolutely be condemned to hell for it."
I really believe that most Christians are making it out to be a sin while God has never said anything of the sort. This is why I definitely feel trapped being a member of the Roman Catholic religion where I'm one of very few who actually think this way. ;___;
Anyway, sorry for the long essay-type thing! XD I seen a discussion on gay rights and absolutely had to rant all over it.
tl;dr: I'm Catholic and I believe homosexuals should get married and adopt babies.
A while ago, during the week right before the presidential elections (in November 2012), my church decided to release a "guide" to voting for the "correct" president if you were still contemplating. I was outraged when I seen it because at the top of the list of things you shouldn't even consider (as in you should be against them no matter what) was Homosexual Marriage.
After raging over it for a while, I went to my aunt who is the Director of Religious Education and pretty much demanded to know what right she and the other officials of the church have to tell people who to vote for based on Homosexual Marriage and Gay Rights. Her response was something similar to "the Bible says that being gay is wrong," and "God clearly says that being homosexual is a sin."
I definitely wasn't going to stand for that because as the only open-minded Catholic kid in my church, I believed it wasn't gay rights, it was human rights. And although I can't vote yet, I believe I have the right to have my own opinion. So, for the next week or so, I searched the Internet and read the Bible for myself to find these words my aunt was proclaiming existed.
And lemme tell you, they don't. Not once in the Bible does God outright say "homosexuality is wrong, sinful, and you will absolutely be condemned to hell for it."
I really believe that most Christians are making it out to be a sin while God has never said anything of the sort. This is why I definitely feel trapped being a member of the Roman Catholic religion where I'm one of very few who actually think this way. ;___;
Anyway, sorry for the long essay-type thing! XD I seen a discussion on gay rights and absolutely had to rant all over it.
tl;dr: I'm Catholic and I believe homosexuals should get married and adopt babies.
Miracle Lotus
I had a friend who told me something about the bible regarding homosexuals because I was highly curious.
I think she said that there was a town that someone had to purge if there was no order or something along those lines? That man went down to the town and noticed that men were having sex with men, women were having sex with other women, and things were chaotic, so the man burned the city down with his wife, and God told them not to look back. The woman looked back and she was turned into stone.
That's what I heard, not what I read.
EDIT: nah i think she was turned into sand or something actually
I think she said that there was a town that someone had to purge if there was no order or something along those lines? That man went down to the town and noticed that men were having sex with men, women were having sex with other women, and things were chaotic, so the man burned the city down with his wife, and God told them not to look back. The woman looked back and she was turned into stone.
That's what I heard, not what I read.
EDIT: nah i think she was turned into sand or something actually
I think everyone can do whatever they want, provided that it doesn't harm anyone or anything.
Shohei Ohtani
There's no way to prove the dog has consent over the marriage, so there's a reason why you can't marry your dog. Gay couples aren't vegetables and are consenting and willing to mutually get married. Plus, bringing up interspecies marriage is just like saying "HO HO I'M A PASTAFARIAN" (aka. Bringing up extremes to try to prove a point wrong), since I've never been wholly aware that people have been heavily desiring to engage in a fully commited LEGAL relationship with an animal in a huge ceremony plus legal responsibility and stuff (I know there's people who would want to have crazy sex with animals, but it's pointless to make that legal except for jokes.) With homosexual relationships, it's actually legitimate and not pastafarian-esque nonsense.BRBP wrote:
I want to marry my dog.
Can you people support me and my human rights the same way you support gays?
That'd be great, thanks.
Of course, lol.Miracle Lotus wrote:
You do know that marriage is a religious act, right?
Homosexuality is not allowed in any of the main religions as far as I know.
Well yeah, but the thing is although it isn't allowed, a church shouldn't be able to tell its members what to do. It's like taking away their individuality. Although I was mad over the fact that no one accepts homosexuals in church, I was mostly angry that the church basically tried to tell everyone who to vote for with subtle hints, saying that's it's basically a sin if you vote for the other guy who "supports sinful things."
Oh! That's the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. It's something along those lines.Hika wrote:
I had a friend who told me something about the bible regarding homosexuals because I was highly curious.
I think she said that there was a town that someone had to purge if there was no order or something along those lines? That man went down to the town and noticed that men were having sex with men, women were having sex with other women, and things were chaotic, so the man burned the city down with his wife, and God told them not to look back. The woman looked back and she was turned into stone.
That's what I heard, not what I read.
EDIT: nah i think she was turned into sand or something actually
The towns of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed by God and Lot, his wife, and his daughters were the only ones saved. His wife was the only one who looked back when they were fleeing and turned into a pillar of salt.
However, it wasn't exactly destroyed because of homosexuals having sex with each other. Before the destruction of the two cities, God tested the people. He sent three angels disguised as regular men to the cities. They lived with Lot as he was the only proclaimed righteous person in Sodom. A group of local rapists heard that new people had entered and bargained with Lot to give the disguised angels over to them. Lot offered them his daughters, but they still broke down the door and threatened to kill everyone.
I believe there was a lot of corruption in the two cities and the people were committing crimes such as rape, violence, thievery, etc. I don't really think homosexuality was the problem. But, everyone has their own opinions about the story. No one knows for sure why the two cities were destroyed.
It can be religious or secular; I'm sure you've seen straight couples have weddings outside of churches with no mention of religion. Separation of church and state is a pretty laughable concept when it's all too obvious that religious culture has a huge impact on marriage rights among other things.Miracle Lotus wrote:
You do know that marriage is a religious act, right?
Homosexuality is not allowed in any of the main religions as far as I know.