1. Another - 7Key (5 stars, 1494 notes)
2. Easy - 7Key (2.23 stars, 263 notes)
3. Hard - 7Key (3.83 stars, 710 notes)
4. Insane - 7Key (5 stars, 1111 notes)
5. Normal - 7Key (3.04 stars, 499 notes)

MgerSy wrote:

把后半段中间的NOTE去掉，难度激增

1. 結尾停 02:01:548

1. 00:38:709 - 我覺得跟歌詞時這個拍手不是最適合的樂器..看看要不要用S whistle
2. 00:53:806 (283) - del hitsound? 感覺超奇怪
3. 01:02:709 - 的連打, 原有的紅線whistle後的白線和紅線也加whistle, 各自降音一點收效會好點
4. 01:26:516 - 其實這裡就跟著鼓轉回1/1白線節奏還不錯, 難度上玩家也比較容易抓到最明顯的樂器(3/4後面那小節就影薄了)

1. 00:38:709和01:02:709 同Normal
2. 01:45:290 - 過場的whistle都改成clap類或drum類會比較好

loveFantasy wrote:

[General]

1. 結尾停 02:01:548

done.

[Normal]

1. 00:38:709 - 我覺得跟歌詞時這個拍手不是最適合的樂器..看看要不要用S whistle
   done
2. 00:53:806 (283) - del hitsound? 感覺超奇怪
   done
3. 01:02:709 - 的連打, 原有的紅線whistle後的白線和紅線也加whistle, 各自降音一點收效會好點
   decreased volume
4. 01:26:516 - 其實這裡就跟著鼓轉回1/1白線節奏還不錯, 難度上玩家也比較容易抓到最明顯的樂器(3/4後面那小節就影薄了)

done

[Hard]

1. 00:38:709和01:02:709 同Normal
   done
2. 01:45:290 - 過場的whistle都改成clap類或drum類會比較好

done

Louis wrote:

IRC with chonicle #1 (Jan. 23)

23:21 Louis: Normal looks harder than I thought haha
23:21 chonicle: yeah I ask medium players
23:21 chonicle: to try my map
23:21 Louis: A couple things I noticed in Normal, though
23:21 chonicle: yes
23:22 Louis: 1:15:870 to 1:17:225 is all right hand?
23:23 chonicle: is it easier to separate it to two hands?
23:24 Louis: Easier, yep. Considering it's Normal diff, one-handed might be a bit too hard IMO ><
23:24 chonicle: I put it there because I'm putting notes according to the right instrument
23:25 chonicle: but yeah this is normal
23:25 Louis: Oh, I see... Different mapping style from me haha
23:26 chonicle: yeah you can change it to a pattern you like and post it in the modding post \:D/
23:27 chonicle: I'm not good at pattern creating because I don't know how to play lol
23:27 Louis: I just map whatever plays comfortably, but it ends up in a mess haha.
23:27 Louis: But I never really created a full map before, so that might not be the best idea ><
23:27 chonicle: in this case it will be a normal
23:27 chonicle: so i think comfotable is important
23:28 Louis: Also, 1:34:451 to 1:40:645
23:28 chonicle: I also considered that in 1:18
23:28 Louis: 2-1-2-1 then 1-2-1-2?
23:29 Louis: Was slightly confused, since I assumed the bass drum will always be at 2 notes haha
23:30 chonicle: oh
23:30 chonicle: that's true
23:30 chonicle: but the bass is 4---5---3--- 6----
23:30 chonicle: 4---5---3---6-5- like
23:31 chonicle: so i shift the bass a little bit
23:31 Louis: Oh, I'm talking about the drum sound, not the melody ><
23:31 Louis: But looking at it again, I see where you were going with it
23:31 chonicle: yeah I want to increase the diff a little bit there ><
23:31 chonicle: so I went after the melody
23:32 chonicle: previously already have 1212 sections for the same music part
23:33 Louis: Mm, so are the double notes following the melody, or is it the single notes?
23:34 chonicle: maybe i can change it all to single-double-single-double
23:35 chonicle: then it will be more distinguishable
23:38 chonicle: that part is like low4-high4-low4-high4-low4-high4-low4-high4,low5-high5-low5-high5....,then 3, low6-high6-low6-high6-low5-high5-low5-high5
23:39 Louis: Yeah, that's what I thought... which explains why I was confused at first, since low4 was double-note, whereas low5 was single-note
23:40 chonicle: so all single-double-single-double is a good idea
23:40 chonicle:
23:41 Louis: 01:51:483 to 01:52:645 looks like something you would find in Hard rather than Normal
23:41 chonicle: lol i don't know what to put at that part
23:42 chonicle: because the instrument is 5113135153135-1-
23:42 Louis: I'd say leave it as it is, but keep an eye out for medium players who play that part
23:44 chonicle: maybe change it to another semi ladder-like thing
23:44 chonicle: um..
23:44 Louis: Maybe, but playing many stairs at once is no fun ><
23:44 chonicle: yeah..
23:46 Louis: The rest of the song looks awesome, though \:D/
23:46 chonicle: nice we finally have some modding!
23:46 Louis: A very very weak mod T_T

IRC with chonicle #2 (Jan. 27)

23:17 Louis: Insane @ 01:41:419
23:17 Louis: The LNs don't exactly follow the vocals ><
23:17 Louis: Just a small thing I noticed
23:18 chonicle:
23:18 chonicle: nice!
23:19 chonicle: you got me
23:19 *Louis looks through the entire song to see if the same mistake was made anywhere else
23:19 chonicle: it might be
23:20 chonicle: yes it is there /.\
23:21 chonicle: not in normal and easy
23:21 chonicle: in hard and insane
23:21 Louis: now fixed!

changed.

1. 01:20:129 (309) - to 01:20:322 (314) - Don't really like 1/4 double scales on Easy.
2. 01:40:645 (403) - to 01:46:645 (429) - A bit of tricky rhythm - considerably harder - that doesn't fit so well into the rest of your map.
3. 01:51:483 (456) - to 01:52:838 (464) - There is a certain degree of difficulty reading two different rhythm patterns on the same two keys. I realize that since the melody lies on the same tones you want to keep it on the same keys, so an alternative is to see that the measure is split up into two repeating melodies, then the rest of the measure. Here's an example to help understand: http://puu.sh/1UCZN.

those wrote:

[Easy]

1. 01:20:129 (309) - to 01:20:322 (314) - Don't really like 1/4 double scales on Easy.
   changed to only right hand.
2. 01:40:645 (403) - to 01:46:645 (429) - A bit of tricky rhythm - considerably harder - that doesn't fit so well into the rest of your map.
   changed a part of them. I kept the rest because that's kind of the "climax" of the song and I want some difficulty in it. Also the 3_5_353_5535__5_ really fits the song there ;w;
   
3. 01:51:483 (456) - to 01:52:838 (464) - There is a certain degree of difficulty reading two different rhythm patterns on the same two keys. I realize that since the melody lies on the same tones you want to keep it on the same keys, so an alternative is to see that the measure is split up into two repeating melodies, then the rest of the measure. Here's an example to help understand: http://puu.sh/1UCZN.
   changed. That rhythm fits there .

Not so much able to play the other diffs to make a good suggestion, but I'll look into it when this gets more mods, okay?

jyc-Binggan wrote:

希望在没有key音的地方加上key音,不然打起来有key音的地方声音比较大,感觉怪怪的..........
太专业的mod我不会/.\
normal好难lol

其实key音都有 是soft-normal的音效 比较轻所以听不出来..把音乐关小一些就可以听到了。感觉用吵的音效反而不合适..
normal的难度..#5000能fc 所以我不打算改 normal和hard差距还是挺大的






学姐好可怕(逃
你以为我没看到吗！

woc2006 wrote:

1.Offset大概在1533
changed in ogg file.
2.Easy偏难
I made a easy that I can play ;w;

01:22:258 (82258|4,82548|4) - 这里开始的3组note节奏很奇怪
This is the sound of the guitar. At that part, all other instruments are muted and only guitar and voice is remaining. I mapped according to the guitar. It is a little hard to get acc on 1st run but I think that fits the music pretty well.

1. 01:27:774 (87774|0,87774|1,88064|0,88064|1) - these notes should go with the same with 01:26:903 (86903|0,86903|2) - as consistency imo. same sound same pattern.
2. 00:46:838 (46838|0) - sound not fitting well, suggest remove

1. 00:07:741 (7741|3) - sugguest this on the 3rd K to reduce difficulty
2. 01:16:548 (76548|1) - this is kind of much above easy level. suggest remove
3. 01:18:096 (78096|0) - ^
4. 01:46:064 (106064|4,106161|4,106258|2,106354|4) - these might be too hard for easy. especially 01:46:064 (106064|4,106161|4) - these requests some press spped

1. 00:46:838 (46838|0) - key sound here not good imo, maybe remove this directly

1. 00:46:838 (46838|3) - this soft clap very odd

Colin Hou wrote:

[Hard]

1. 01:27:774 (87774|0,87774|1,88064|0,88064|1) - these notes should go with the same with 01:26:903 (86903|0,86903|2) - as consistency imo. same sound same pattern.
   The guitar sound actually changed at that point. The whole guitar parts is "4 4 4 4 4,5 5 5 5 5, 3 3 3 3 3, 6 6 6 5 5"(4=fa,3=mi, etc). So I won't change this.
   
2. 00:46:838 (46838|0) - sound not fitting well, suggest remove
   Removed.

[Easy]

1. 00:07:741 (7741|3) - sugguest this on the 3rd K to reduce difficulty
   This should be consistant with the first note(same part). So I don't want to change that.
2. 01:16:548 (76548|1) - this is kind of much above easy level. suggest remove
3. 01:18:096 (78096|0) - ^
   removed.
4. 01:46:064 (106064|4,106161|4,106258|2,106354|4) - these might be too hard for easy. especially 01:46:064 (106064|4,106161|4) - these requests some press spped
   changed to 1/4 on separate columns. Should be easier to play now.

[Normal]

1. 00:46:838 (46838|0) - key sound here not good imo, maybe remove this directly
   Removed.

[Insane]

1. 00:46:838 (46838|3) - this soft clap very odd
   Removed.

the final holding notes didn't give scores properly in auto lol
I always see 1M um...strange
我是大沙包 w

xxbidiao wrote:

Insane：
我的建议是中间留一段半空段（5秒左右），让手稍微休息一下，否则实在太吃体力
建议是01:21:483 (1011) -把这里稍微降低点难度，毕竟歌曲也是缓和段嘛。
Changed. Guitar part->double notes, position redesigned. Should be easier.

Hard：
似乎要改动的地方很多。。。
Changed. @.@ don't know it's good or not.

Normal：
最后一段楼梯比较奇怪。歌曲并不是严格的楼梯音序却出现了楼梯，比较奇怪。
I also think it doesn't fit that well, but it's a normal... Isn't random too hard for a normal?

Easy：
有好几个段落需要修改。还有对于easy是否偏难了？
changed according to Colin Hou.

xxbidiao wrote:

关于Normal上的楼梯：
其实一组符合音乐的音符，远远比一个楼梯来的简单。别看楼梯键型简单，实践中特别是折返楼梯会导致很多单手不熟练的人莫名的断掉。
关键还是在于莫名其妙。

Lolicore Flandre wrote:

Good stuff. We're almost there.
The timeline code seems broken ahhaha, so you gotta copy paste them into the editor, my apologies.

[Easy]

01:58:838 (118838|5,118838|0) - The music is a bit different here so a change of note position would be good, how about place the 2 notes on 1st and 6th column
done.
01:59:032 (119032|4,119032|2) - Same reason, at 3rd and 5th column, symmertic finish too!
done.

[Normal]
00:25:935 (25935|0,26129|0) - ) - <---move these to the 2nd column?
done.
00:35:419 (35419|4) - uh the sound from this note is too loud.. and it doesnt fit imo.
removed.
01:58:838 (118838|5,118838|1) - <-- move them to 1st and 7th column?
01:59:032 (119032|1,119032|4,119032|6) - <----- 1st,3rd and 6th column?
I agree that the music changes a little bit here. 6th and 7th column are for melody(5-6-5-656) so I changed the bass part(left hand).

[Hard]
00:35:419 (35419|4) - same as Normal...just sounds lounder than the rest of the vocal emphasizers
removed.

[Insane]
KOOL! wish I could FC this /in my dreams
Thanks

Everything else looks good for me, I'm practicing 7K on this and im getting better ahah!

goodbye wrote:

\M/

goodbye wrote:

\M/

Dangaard wrote:

I find 7k 4 stars quite hard as an Easy for a beginner like me.
And I'm disappointed in general because I cannot even set 6k or lower

Charles445 wrote:

Maybe add a "Beginner" difficulty? Would avoid having to delete scores.

peppy wrote:

I think we need to change the difficulty names, because this is one of the first ranked osu!mania maps and we do need to set a suitable standard. A few scores going missing isn't a _huge_ deal.

DJPop wrote:

Some check-through


• OD should be same in all diffs, also set different HP for each diff like 5,6,7,8
Now HP=4,5,6,7,8. OD=7

~Easy~
00:10:645 (10645|5) - shouldn't this be at 00:10:451 ?
changed.
01:46:161 (106161|5,106258|1,106354|5) - 2,6,2
changed

~Normal~
00:07:258 (7258|6) - it's not synced to anything
deleted.

~Hard~
00:54:483 (54483|1) - it's not synced to anything
00:57:580 (57580|5) - ^
deleted.

peppy wrote:

"Easy" is at least a normal, if not hard.

DJPop wrote:

Deep checked.


~Easy~
00:06:387 (6387|5) - remove
00:06:774 (6774|5,7161|5,7354|4) - add bass-drum sound
00:07:548 (7548|3) - remove
00:09:290 - place notes like 00:03:096
00:24:774 (24774|4,25064|5,25354|4,25645|5,25935|4,26129|5) - should be 2,6,2,6,2,6
00:26:322 (26322|4,26322|2) - should be single note, it's a bit hard to press double notes right after previous note
00:32:516 (32516|4,32709|0,33290|4,33483|0,34064|5,34258|1,34838|5,35032|1) - should be bass-drums only
00:36:580 (36580|0,36774|2,36967|4) - remove
00:37:354 (37354|6) - line 6
00:40:645 (40645|5,41225|5) - line 7
00:42:193 (42193|5,42774|5) - line 5
00:43:548 (43548|6,43741|6,43935|1) - use different hand on each note, like 6,2,6 or similar
00:49:354 (49354|1,49548|2,49741|2,49935|2,50129|3) - ^
00:50:516 (50516|4) - place on left side
00:51:096 (51096|5) - add cymbal sound
00:57:096 (57096|3) - remove
01:01:161 (61161|5) - line 7, rapid note's too hard for beginner imo
01:03:483 (63483|5) - add cymbal sound
01:09:483 (69483|3) - remove
01:13:548 (73548|1) - line 1, rapid note's too hard for beginner imo
01:20:322 (80322|6) - remove
01:20:516 (80516|2,80709|2,80903|2,81096|4,81483|5) - 3,5,3,6,7
01:22:258 (82258|4,82548|4,82838|4,83129|4,83419|4) - can't think of any easier pattern ;w;
01:29:806 (89806|2) - line 6
01:44:516 (104516|5) - line 7
01:46:064 (106064|0,106354|0,106645|0) - remove, don't use double notes
01:45:290 - 1,5,2,6,3,7 or 1,5,5,3,3,7
01:46:838 (106838|5) - add cymbal sound

~Normal~
00:06:967 (6967|2,7161|4,7354|2,7451|4,7548|2,7645|4) - use bass-drum sound
00:51:096 (51096|5) - add cymbal sound
01:03:483 (63483|5) - ^
01:43:258 (103258|2,103548|2) - I don't think it's fit
01:46:838 (106838|2) - add cymbal sound
01:43:741 - shouldn't have 1/4 notes anywhere

~Hard~
01:03:483 (63483|0) - add cymbal sound
01:17:225 (77225|5) - remove
01:17:903 (77903|1) - move to 01:17:806
01:18:967 - notes should be synced with synth sound like previous rooms, also add cymbal sound on first note

Use this rhythm

~Insane~
01:17:322 (77322|5) - remove
01:17:903 (77903|5) - move to 01:17:806
01:17:999 - add note
01:20:032 - ^

~Another~
01:17:225 (77225|5) - remove
01:18:000 (78000|6) - line 5
01:18:580 (78580|4) - line 6
01:20:032 - add note

All changed Thank you DJPop~

Loctav wrote:

[All difficulties]
01:22:258 (82258|4,82548|4,82838|4,83129|4,83419|4,83806|5,84096|5,84387|5,84677|5,84967|5,85354|2,85645|2,85935|2,86225|2) - I know we already discussed this - for hours. But I went out and gathered around 5 other opinions. We highly recommend you to do this: http://puu.sh/28iZ7
I consider this pattern as unrankable, since whatever it follows, it follows something arhythmic - and even if it exists, you shouldnt follow it, since it destroys the whole awesome design.
This pattern appears in all difficulties. (According to the screenshot)
After listening to it like 100 times with and without the notes, only to the mp3 and whatever - I really must say, that you have to change that. It throws your rhythm off. Even tho there might be some weird synthesizer/piano/guitar/howeveryouwanttocall it, it breaks the whole flow, it sounds totally off on first sight (and even on all other 100 sights after it).

[Normal]
next time, limit the useage of 1/4 more. For Normals, they should only appear rarely. Just a general advise.

Popped for the off-timed hitobjects.

Loctav wrote:

You didn't read properly. I didn't deny that it isn't "there". I just disagree that you should actually follow this layer, regardless of if its existing or not, because it simply is off the complete song/rhythm you have played in the whole map so far.

And showing me weird graphs doesn't make the pattern better playable/more intuitive.
If you need a technical analysis tool to show me the layer you followed, because its so hard to hear, you should not follow it.

Popped for the off-timed hitobjects.

I didn't deny that it isn't "there"

I consider this pattern as unrankable, since whatever it follows, it follows something arhythmic

it simply is off the complete song/rhythm you have played in the whole map so far.

Loctav wrote:

Since I don't feel like arguing for hours over pages and pages and it seems like the people I asked are agreeing with me and the poeple you asked, are agreeing with you, I actually can't rank it.
So I am returning this map to the state it has been.

If you really want to make sure that my suggestion wouldn't really be better (instead of staying hard lined), go ahead and ask whoever you consider worth it.
I won't rank it, so have your bubble back.