Normal还有挺大的改进空间，不过现在应该算是已经能接受了。
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Y&Co. feat. Karin - Sweet Rain [OsuMania]
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Good stuff. We're almost there.
The timeline code seems broken ahhaha, so you gotta copy paste them into the editor, my apologies.
[Easy]
01:58:838 (118838|5,118838|0) - The music is a bit different here so a change of note position would be good, how about place the 2 notes on 1st and 6th column
01:59:032 (119032|4,119032|2) - Same reason, at 3rd and 5th column, symmertic finish too!
[Normal]
00:25:935 (25935|0,26129|0) - ) - <---move these to the 2nd column?
00:35:419 (35419|4) - uh the sound from this note is too loud.. and it doesnt fit imo.
01:58:838 (118838|5,118838|1) - <-- move them to 1st and 7th column?
01:59:032 (119032|1,119032|4,119032|6) - <----- 1st,3rd and 6th column?
[Hard]
00:35:419 (35419|4) - same as Normal...just sounds lounder than the rest of the vocal emphasizers
[Insane]
KOOL! wish I could FC this /in my dreams
Everything else looks good for me, I'm practicing 7K on this and im getting better ahah!
The timeline code seems broken ahhaha, so you gotta copy paste them into the editor, my apologies.
[Easy]
01:58:838 (118838|5,118838|0) - The music is a bit different here so a change of note position would be good, how about place the 2 notes on 1st and 6th column
01:59:032 (119032|4,119032|2) - Same reason, at 3rd and 5th column, symmertic finish too!
[Normal]
00:25:935 (25935|0,26129|0) - ) - <---move these to the 2nd column?
00:35:419 (35419|4) - uh the sound from this note is too loud.. and it doesnt fit imo.
01:58:838 (118838|5,118838|1) - <-- move them to 1st and 7th column?
01:59:032 (119032|1,119032|4,119032|6) - <----- 1st,3rd and 6th column?
[Hard]
00:35:419 (35419|4) - same as Normal...just sounds lounder than the rest of the vocal emphasizers
[Insane]
KOOL! wish I could FC this /in my dreams
Everything else looks good for me, I'm practicing 7K on this and im getting better ahah!
Topic Starter
Still need to wait for woc to fix OD changes. It seems that the star difficulty is going crazy now.Lolicore Flandre wrote:
Good stuff. We're almost there.
The timeline code seems broken ahhaha, so you gotta copy paste them into the editor, my apologies.
[Easy]
01:58:838 (118838|5,118838|0) - The music is a bit different here so a change of note position would be good, how about place the 2 notes on 1st and 6th column
done.
01:59:032 (119032|4,119032|2) - Same reason, at 3rd and 5th column, symmertic finish too!
done.
[Normal]
00:25:935 (25935|0,26129|0) - ) - <---move these to the 2nd column?
done.
00:35:419 (35419|4) - uh the sound from this note is too loud.. and it doesnt fit imo.
removed.
01:58:838 (118838|5,118838|1) - <-- move them to 1st and 7th column?
01:59:032 (119032|1,119032|4,119032|6) - <----- 1st,3rd and 6th column?
I agree that the music changes a little bit here. 6th and 7th column are for melody(5-6-5-656) so I changed the bass part(left hand).
[Hard]
00:35:419 (35419|4) - same as Normal...just sounds lounder than the rest of the vocal emphasizers
removed.
[Insane]
KOOL! wish I could FC this /in my dreams
Thanks
Everything else looks good for me, I'm practicing 7K on this and im getting better ahah!
Also all diffs HP are set to 7(according to the guideline). OD is set to 4 5 7 7. Thank you!
bubble-fixed.
note: star rating will be adjusted in next build.
note: star rating will be adjusted in next build.
I confused myself lol...anyways..
Hey there, heres my recheck on!
[General]
Hmm..any reason why the OD spread is 4 5 7 7 and not 4 5 6 7 ?
I hope its not for star rating lol
[Easy]
01:44:806 (104806|5) - what is this note following? plays better if it was on 01:44:709 instead
01:45:290 (105290|2) - 1st column?
01:45:483 (105483|4) - 7th column?
Found a bug for woc to fix while rechecking haha.
Good stuff! Notify me when you're done
Hey there, heres my recheck on!
[General]
Hmm..any reason why the OD spread is 4 5 7 7 and not 4 5 6 7 ?
I hope its not for star rating lol
[Easy]
01:44:806 (104806|5) - what is this note following? plays better if it was on 01:44:709 instead
01:45:290 (105290|2) - 1st column?
01:45:483 (105483|4) - 7th column?
Found a bug for woc to fix while rechecking haha.
Good stuff! Notify me when you're done
fixes applied
18:49 chonicle: hi~ Thank you for rechecking first 
I would like to discuss a little bit about the changes if you are free now~
18:49 Lolicore Flandre: sure
18:50 chonicle: 01:44:806 (104806|5) -
18:50 chonicle: about this note I am following the guitar actually
18:50 chonicle: in easy diff
18:50 Lolicore Flandre: i barely hear anything man
18:50 Lolicore Flandre: lol
18:50 Lolicore Flandre: it just threw me off
18:50 Lolicore Flandre: the rest of the 1/3s are ok but this one
18:51 Lolicore Flandre: just doesnt feel right
18:51 Lolicore Flandre: ;s
18:52 chonicle: initially I was planning to follow other instrument at that part that's why the pattern changes and I can have more diversity in normal
18:53 chonicle: just like to notes in 01:42:967 (102967|2,103258|2,103548|2) -
18:56 Lolicore Flandre: mmm I see
18:57 chonicle: 01:45:290 (105290|2) -
18:59 chonicle: for this note.. I put it on 3rd column just because it's a easy for newbie to hit notes on the same column
18:59 chonicle: although the 1/4 after this is on the same column...
18:59 chonicle: if I put these two on 1st and 7th then some newbie might not have enough reaction for the coming 1/4s
18:59 Lolicore Flandre: im a bit of a newbie
18:59 Lolicore Flandre: i like column spread
19:00 chonicle: I'm also ;w;(actually I can only play easy lol
19:00 Lolicore Flandre: xD
19:00 Lolicore Flandre: but ive trained so yeah
19:00 chonicle: OK that one I can chage
19:00 chonicle: change
19:00 chonicle: well I made this easy according to "what I can play"
19:01 Lolicore Flandre: oho
19:01 chonicle: I never played mania before so..
19:01 Lolicore Flandre: so newbie easy chonicle style
19:01 Lolicore Flandre: yet you made a mania map
19:01 Lolicore Flandre: very impressive
19:01 chonicle: I like to grab the instrument out
19:01 chonicle: thank you ><
19:03 Lolicore Flandre: any specific reason Hard's OD is 7 like Insane?
19:04 chonicle: oh this... nope
19:04 chonicle: I will set it to 6
19:04 Lolicore Flandre: LOL
19:04 Lolicore Flandre: xD
19:07 chonicle: updated \:D/
19:07 Lolicore Flandre: hopefuly the star rating will be fixed soon
19:07 Lolicore Flandre: so all mania maps dont look funny on diff spread lol
19:07 chonicle: woc is working on that on the test build
19:07 Lolicore Flandre: DJPOP'S 7K MX is easiest diff with -2 rating
19:07 Lolicore Flandre: haha
19:08 chonicle: lol
19:08 chonicle: should I ask colin for a rebubble
19:08 Lolicore Flandre: NOPE
19:09 Lolicore Flandre: ranked
19:09 chonicle: omg Thanks!
19:09 Lolicore Flandre: :3
I would like to discuss a little bit about the changes if you are free now~18:49 Lolicore Flandre: sure
18:50 chonicle: 01:44:806 (104806|5) -
18:50 chonicle: about this note I am following the guitar actually
18:50 chonicle: in easy diff
18:50 Lolicore Flandre: i barely hear anything man
18:50 Lolicore Flandre: lol
18:50 Lolicore Flandre: it just threw me off
18:50 Lolicore Flandre: the rest of the 1/3s are ok but this one
18:51 Lolicore Flandre: just doesnt feel right
18:51 Lolicore Flandre: ;s
18:52 chonicle: initially I was planning to follow other instrument at that part that's why the pattern changes and I can have more diversity in normal
18:53 chonicle: just like to notes in 01:42:967 (102967|2,103258|2,103548|2) -
18:56 Lolicore Flandre: mmm I see
18:57 chonicle: 01:45:290 (105290|2) -
18:59 chonicle: for this note.. I put it on 3rd column just because it's a easy for newbie to hit notes on the same column
18:59 chonicle: although the 1/4 after this is on the same column...
18:59 chonicle: if I put these two on 1st and 7th then some newbie might not have enough reaction for the coming 1/4s
18:59 Lolicore Flandre: im a bit of a newbie
18:59 Lolicore Flandre: i like column spread
19:00 chonicle: I'm also ;w;(actually I can only play easy lol
19:00 Lolicore Flandre: xD
19:00 Lolicore Flandre: but ive trained so yeah
19:00 chonicle: OK that one I can chage
19:00 chonicle: change
19:00 chonicle: well I made this easy according to "what I can play"
19:01 Lolicore Flandre: oho
19:01 chonicle: I never played mania before so..
19:01 Lolicore Flandre: so newbie easy chonicle style
19:01 Lolicore Flandre: yet you made a mania map
19:01 Lolicore Flandre: very impressive
19:01 chonicle: I like to grab the instrument out
19:01 chonicle: thank you ><
19:03 Lolicore Flandre: any specific reason Hard's OD is 7 like Insane?
19:04 chonicle: oh this... nope
19:04 chonicle: I will set it to 6
19:04 Lolicore Flandre: LOL
19:04 Lolicore Flandre: xD
19:07 chonicle: updated \:D/
19:07 Lolicore Flandre: hopefuly the star rating will be fixed soon
19:07 Lolicore Flandre: so all mania maps dont look funny on diff spread lol
19:07 chonicle: woc is working on that on the test build
19:07 Lolicore Flandre: DJPOP'S 7K MX is easiest diff with -2 rating
19:07 Lolicore Flandre: haha
19:08 chonicle: lol
19:08 chonicle: should I ask colin for a rebubble
19:08 Lolicore Flandre: NOPE
19:09 Lolicore Flandre: ranked
19:09 chonicle: omg Thanks!
19:09 Lolicore Flandre: :3
Ranked!
Congrats on rank ! >w<
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my ring finger hurts MINIJACKS PLZ NO
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Congratulation~
\M/
goodbye wrote:
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congratz~
不愧是神麻婆，做出的图就是不一样wwwwwgoodbye wrote:
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I find 7k 4 stars quite hard as an Easy for a beginner like me.
And I'm disappointed in general because I cannot even set 6k or lower
And I'm disappointed in general because I cannot even set 6k or lower
Topic Starter
I'm actually also a beginner >< never played mania-like stuff before. After something like 10 plays I can achieve 95% /.\Dangaard wrote:
I find 7k 4 stars quite hard as an Easy for a beginner like me.
And I'm disappointed in general because I cannot even set 6k or lower
Anyway I'll try to make easy diff easier in my other maps...(Also the star diff is bugged now
)Unranked. Difficulties are incorrect. "Easy" is at least a normal, if not hard. Begin by bumping each difficulty name up one, then add an actual easy and possibly some lower key maps.
I have previous experience playing bemani games and easy is a challenge. This should not be the case and is horribly unfriendly to beginners.
I have previous experience playing bemani games and easy is a challenge. This should not be the case and is horribly unfriendly to beginners.
Maybe add a "Beginner" difficulty? Would avoid having to delete scores.
Unranked
Topic Starter
Will do. But I only have time after my exam next week ;w;Charles445 wrote:
Maybe add a "Beginner" difficulty? Would avoid having to delete scores.
I think we need to change the difficulty names, because this is one of the first ranked osu!mania maps and we do need to set a suitable standard. A few scores going missing isn't a _huge_ deal.
Topic Starter
What about add a actual easy diff, and rename the current easy and normal to normal and normal+? From the statistics of the hard and insane, I think the difficulty is comparable to djpop's 7K hard and insane.peppy wrote:
I think we need to change the difficulty names, because this is one of the first ranked osu!mania maps and we do need to set a suitable standard. A few scores going missing isn't a _huge_ deal.
edit:
After seeing entozer's map (t/111755), I think bumping all the diffs should work.
Some check-through
• OD should be same in all diffs, also set different HP for each diff like 5,6,7,8
~Easy~
00:10:645 (10645|5) - shouldn't this be at 00:10:451 ?
01:46:161 (106161|5,106258|1,106354|5) - 2,6,2
~Normal~
00:07:258 (7258|6) - it's not synced to anything
~Hard~
00:54:483 (54483|1) - it's not synced to anything
00:57:580 (57580|5) - ^
• OD should be same in all diffs, also set different HP for each diff like 5,6,7,8
~Easy~
00:10:645 (10645|5) - shouldn't this be at 00:10:451 ?
01:46:161 (106161|5,106258|1,106354|5) - 2,6,2
~Normal~
00:07:258 (7258|6) - it's not synced to anything
~Hard~
00:54:483 (54483|1) - it's not synced to anything
00:57:580 (57580|5) - ^
Topic Starter
Easy added. original easy->normal, normal->hard etc.
DJPop wrote:
Some check-through
• OD should be same in all diffs, also set different HP for each diff like 5,6,7,8
Now HP=4,5,6,7,8. OD=7
~Easy~
00:10:645 (10645|5) - shouldn't this be at 00:10:451 ?
changed.
01:46:161 (106161|5,106258|1,106354|5) - 2,6,2
changed
~Normal~
00:07:258 (7258|6) - it's not synced to anything
deleted.
~Hard~
00:54:483 (54483|1) - it's not synced to anything
00:57:580 (57580|5) - ^
deleted.
rickyboi
I'm sure chonicle made this as an O2jam style chart not a bemani/IIDX chart. The difficulty spread perfectly fits already.
My estimation.
Easy = Lv. 7 <- Wow is this that hard?
Normal = Lv. 10
Hard = Lv. 15
Insane = Lv. level 26
This unrank was unecessary. What a load of bull.
My estimation.
Easy = Lv. 7 <- Wow is this that hard?
Normal = Lv. 10
Hard = Lv. 15
Insane = Lv. level 26
This unrank was unecessary. What a load of bull.
I'd like to say something here, but people who never played o2jam would never understand anyway.peppy wrote:
"Easy" is at least a normal, if not hard.
This is not O2jam. (Yes, I mapped for this game and there were no real guidelines)
This is osu!mania. We have certain standards and guidelines maps need to have to be ranked here.
Regardless of this is planned after "o2jam standards" (even tho the game didnt even have such), osu! and it's environment has different rules, which apply to every map, regardless of the "original game the map or map design came from"
This is osu!mania. We have certain standards and guidelines maps need to have to be ranked here.
Regardless of this is planned after "o2jam standards" (even tho the game didnt even have such), osu! and it's environment has different rules, which apply to every map, regardless of the "original game the map or map design came from"
Topic Starter
Don't fight please ;w;
Anyway I already made a new easy. Looking forward to rerank ;w;
edit:
I understand that peppy want to create a standard for later maps, so the difficulty of first maps must be controlled. I also noticed that before unrank, easy has a pretty low pass rate. That's why I decided to actually make a new easy. Having easy enough diff doesn't hurt the more difficult diffs, so I think it would be fine just to rename it(bump it up).
edit:
changes:
Adjusted notes hitsounds at 01:22:258 part for all diffs. Original hitsound volume too low.
another: 01:26:903 (86903|0,87290|0,87677|0,88064|0) - changed to this.
Anyway I already made a new easy. Looking forward to rerank ;w;
edit:
I understand that peppy want to create a standard for later maps, so the difficulty of first maps must be controlled. I also noticed that before unrank, easy has a pretty low pass rate. That's why I decided to actually make a new easy. Having easy enough diff doesn't hurt the more difficult diffs, so I think it would be fine just to rename it(bump it up).
edit:
changes:
Adjusted notes hitsounds at 01:22:258 part for all diffs. Original hitsound volume too low.
another: 01:26:903 (86903|0,87290|0,87677|0,88064|0) - changed to this.
Deep checked.
~Easy~
00:06:387 (6387|5) - remove
00:06:774 (6774|5,7161|5,7354|4) - add bass-drum sound
00:07:548 (7548|3) - remove
00:09:290 - place notes like 00:03:096
00:24:774 (24774|4,25064|5,25354|4,25645|5,25935|4,26129|5) - should be 2,6,2,6,2,6
00:26:322 (26322|4,26322|2) - should be single note, it's a bit hard to press double notes right after previous note
00:32:516 (32516|4,32709|0,33290|4,33483|0,34064|5,34258|1,34838|5,35032|1) - should be bass-drums only
00:36:580 (36580|0,36774|2,36967|4) - remove
00:37:354 (37354|6) - line 6
00:40:645 (40645|5,41225|5) - line 7
00:42:193 (42193|5,42774|5) - line 5
00:43:548 (43548|6,43741|6,43935|1) - use different hand on each note, like 6,2,6 or similar
00:49:354 (49354|1,49548|2,49741|2,49935|2,50129|3) - ^
00:50:516 (50516|4) - place on left side
00:51:096 (51096|5) - add cymbal sound
00:57:096 (57096|3) - remove
01:01:161 (61161|5) - line 7, rapid note's too hard for beginner imo
01:03:483 (63483|5) - add cymbal sound
01:09:483 (69483|3) - remove
01:13:548 (73548|1) - line 1, rapid note's too hard for beginner imo
01:20:322 (80322|6) - remove
01:20:516 (80516|2,80709|2,80903|2,81096|4,81483|5) - 3,5,3,6,7
01:22:258 (82258|4,82548|4,82838|4,83129|4,83419|4) - can't think of any easier pattern ;w;
01:29:806 (89806|2) - line 6
01:44:516 (104516|5) - line 7
01:46:064 (106064|0,106354|0,106645|0) - remove, don't use double notes
01:45:290 - 1,5,2,6,3,7 or 1,5,5,3,3,7
01:46:838 (106838|5) - add cymbal sound
~Normal~
00:06:967 (6967|2,7161|4,7354|2,7451|4,7548|2,7645|4) - use bass-drum sound
00:51:096 (51096|5) - add cymbal sound
01:03:483 (63483|5) - ^
01:43:258 (103258|2,103548|2) - I don't think it's fit
01:46:838 (106838|2) - add cymbal sound
01:43:741 - shouldn't have 1/4 notes anywhere
~Hard~
01:03:483 (63483|0) - add cymbal sound
01:17:225 (77225|5) - remove
01:17:903 (77903|1) - move to 01:17:806
01:18:967 - notes should be synced with synth sound like previous rooms, also add cymbal sound on first note
~Insane~
01:17:322 (77322|5) - remove
01:17:903 (77903|5) - move to 01:17:806
01:17:999 - add note
01:20:032 - ^
~Another~
01:17:225 (77225|5) - remove
01:18:000 (78000|6) - line 5
01:18:580 (78580|4) - line 6
01:20:032 - add note
~Easy~
00:06:387 (6387|5) - remove
00:06:774 (6774|5,7161|5,7354|4) - add bass-drum sound
00:07:548 (7548|3) - remove
00:09:290 - place notes like 00:03:096
00:24:774 (24774|4,25064|5,25354|4,25645|5,25935|4,26129|5) - should be 2,6,2,6,2,6
00:26:322 (26322|4,26322|2) - should be single note, it's a bit hard to press double notes right after previous note
00:32:516 (32516|4,32709|0,33290|4,33483|0,34064|5,34258|1,34838|5,35032|1) - should be bass-drums only
00:36:580 (36580|0,36774|2,36967|4) - remove
00:37:354 (37354|6) - line 6
00:40:645 (40645|5,41225|5) - line 7
00:42:193 (42193|5,42774|5) - line 5
00:43:548 (43548|6,43741|6,43935|1) - use different hand on each note, like 6,2,6 or similar
00:49:354 (49354|1,49548|2,49741|2,49935|2,50129|3) - ^
00:50:516 (50516|4) - place on left side
00:51:096 (51096|5) - add cymbal sound
00:57:096 (57096|3) - remove
01:01:161 (61161|5) - line 7, rapid note's too hard for beginner imo
01:03:483 (63483|5) - add cymbal sound
01:09:483 (69483|3) - remove
01:13:548 (73548|1) - line 1, rapid note's too hard for beginner imo
01:20:322 (80322|6) - remove
01:20:516 (80516|2,80709|2,80903|2,81096|4,81483|5) - 3,5,3,6,7
01:22:258 (82258|4,82548|4,82838|4,83129|4,83419|4) - can't think of any easier pattern ;w;
01:29:806 (89806|2) - line 6
01:44:516 (104516|5) - line 7
01:46:064 (106064|0,106354|0,106645|0) - remove, don't use double notes
01:45:290 - 1,5,2,6,3,7 or 1,5,5,3,3,7
01:46:838 (106838|5) - add cymbal sound
~Normal~
00:06:967 (6967|2,7161|4,7354|2,7451|4,7548|2,7645|4) - use bass-drum sound
00:51:096 (51096|5) - add cymbal sound
01:03:483 (63483|5) - ^
01:43:258 (103258|2,103548|2) - I don't think it's fit
01:46:838 (106838|2) - add cymbal sound
01:43:741 - shouldn't have 1/4 notes anywhere
~Hard~
01:03:483 (63483|0) - add cymbal sound
01:17:225 (77225|5) - remove
01:17:903 (77903|1) - move to 01:17:806
01:18:967 - notes should be synced with synth sound like previous rooms, also add cymbal sound on first note
~Insane~
01:17:322 (77322|5) - remove
01:17:903 (77903|5) - move to 01:17:806
01:17:999 - add note
01:20:032 - ^
~Another~
01:17:225 (77225|5) - remove
01:18:000 (78000|6) - line 5
01:18:580 (78580|4) - line 6
01:20:032 - add note
Topic Starter
All changedDJPop wrote:
Deep checked.
~Easy~
00:06:387 (6387|5) - remove
00:06:774 (6774|5,7161|5,7354|4) - add bass-drum sound
00:07:548 (7548|3) - remove
00:09:290 - place notes like 00:03:096
00:24:774 (24774|4,25064|5,25354|4,25645|5,25935|4,26129|5) - should be 2,6,2,6,2,6
00:26:322 (26322|4,26322|2) - should be single note, it's a bit hard to press double notes right after previous note
00:32:516 (32516|4,32709|0,33290|4,33483|0,34064|5,34258|1,34838|5,35032|1) - should be bass-drums only
00:36:580 (36580|0,36774|2,36967|4) - remove
00:37:354 (37354|6) - line 6
00:40:645 (40645|5,41225|5) - line 7
00:42:193 (42193|5,42774|5) - line 5
00:43:548 (43548|6,43741|6,43935|1) - use different hand on each note, like 6,2,6 or similar
00:49:354 (49354|1,49548|2,49741|2,49935|2,50129|3) - ^
00:50:516 (50516|4) - place on left side
00:51:096 (51096|5) - add cymbal sound
00:57:096 (57096|3) - remove
01:01:161 (61161|5) - line 7, rapid note's too hard for beginner imo
01:03:483 (63483|5) - add cymbal sound
01:09:483 (69483|3) - remove
01:13:548 (73548|1) - line 1, rapid note's too hard for beginner imo
01:20:322 (80322|6) - remove
01:20:516 (80516|2,80709|2,80903|2,81096|4,81483|5) - 3,5,3,6,7
01:22:258 (82258|4,82548|4,82838|4,83129|4,83419|4) - can't think of any easier pattern ;w;
01:29:806 (89806|2) - line 6
01:44:516 (104516|5) - line 7
01:46:064 (106064|0,106354|0,106645|0) - remove, don't use double notes
01:45:290 - 1,5,2,6,3,7 or 1,5,5,3,3,7
01:46:838 (106838|5) - add cymbal sound
~Normal~
00:06:967 (6967|2,7161|4,7354|2,7451|4,7548|2,7645|4) - use bass-drum sound
00:51:096 (51096|5) - add cymbal sound
01:03:483 (63483|5) - ^
01:43:258 (103258|2,103548|2) - I don't think it's fit
01:46:838 (106838|2) - add cymbal sound
01:43:741 - shouldn't have 1/4 notes anywhere
~Hard~
01:03:483 (63483|0) - add cymbal sound
01:17:225 (77225|5) - remove
01:17:903 (77903|1) - move to 01:17:806
01:18:967 - notes should be synced with synth sound like previous rooms, also add cymbal sound on first note
~Insane~
01:17:322 (77322|5) - remove
01:17:903 (77903|5) - move to 01:17:806
01:17:999 - add note
01:20:032 - ^
~Another~
01:17:225 (77225|5) - remove
01:18:000 (78000|6) - line 5
01:18:580 (78580|4) - line 6
01:20:032 - add note
Thank you DJPop~Hope Easy is easy enough
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[All difficulties]
01:22:258 (82258|4,82548|4,82838|4,83129|4,83419|4,83806|5,84096|5,84387|5,84677|5,84967|5,85354|2,85645|2,85935|2,86225|2) - I know we already discussed this - for hours. But I went out and gathered around 5 other opinions. We highly recommend you to do this: http://puu.sh/28iZ7
I consider this pattern as unrankable, since whatever it follows, it follows something arhythmic - and even if it exists, you shouldnt follow it, since it destroys the whole awesome design.
This pattern appears in all difficulties. (According to the screenshot)
After listening to it like 100 times with and without the notes, only to the mp3 and whatever - I really must say, that you have to change that. It throws your rhythm off. Even tho there might be some weird synthesizer/piano/guitar/howeveryouwanttocall it, it breaks the whole flow, it sounds totally off on first sight (and even on all other 100 sights after it).
[Normal]
next time, limit the useage of 1/4 more. For Normals, they should only appear rarely. Just a general advise.
Popped for the off-timed hitobjects.
01:22:258 (82258|4,82548|4,82838|4,83129|4,83419|4,83806|5,84096|5,84387|5,84677|5,84967|5,85354|2,85645|2,85935|2,86225|2) - I know we already discussed this - for hours. But I went out and gathered around 5 other opinions. We highly recommend you to do this: http://puu.sh/28iZ7
I consider this pattern as unrankable, since whatever it follows, it follows something arhythmic - and even if it exists, you shouldnt follow it, since it destroys the whole awesome design.
This pattern appears in all difficulties. (According to the screenshot)
After listening to it like 100 times with and without the notes, only to the mp3 and whatever - I really must say, that you have to change that. It throws your rhythm off. Even tho there might be some weird synthesizer/piano/guitar/howeveryouwanttocall it, it breaks the whole flow, it sounds totally off on first sight (and even on all other 100 sights after it).
[Normal]
next time, limit the useage of 1/4 more. For Normals, they should only appear rarely. Just a general advise.
Popped for the off-timed hitobjects.
Topic Starter
Once again, I won't argue with no evidence. Here is my evidence, please defend yourself.Loctav wrote:
[All difficulties]
01:22:258 (82258|4,82548|4,82838|4,83129|4,83419|4,83806|5,84096|5,84387|5,84677|5,84967|5,85354|2,85645|2,85935|2,86225|2) - I know we already discussed this - for hours. But I went out and gathered around 5 other opinions. We highly recommend you to do this: http://puu.sh/28iZ7
I consider this pattern as unrankable, since whatever it follows, it follows something arhythmic - and even if it exists, you shouldnt follow it, since it destroys the whole awesome design.
This pattern appears in all difficulties. (According to the screenshot)
After listening to it like 100 times with and without the notes, only to the mp3 and whatever - I really must say, that you have to change that. It throws your rhythm off. Even tho there might be some weird synthesizer/piano/guitar/howeveryouwanttocall it, it breaks the whole flow, it sounds totally off on first sight (and even on all other 100 sights after it).
[Normal]
next time, limit the useage of 1/4 more. For Normals, they should only appear rarely. Just a general advise.
Popped for the off-timed hitobjects.
1st issue: Is it off-timed?
Here I show the frequency spectrum of the devocaled song. Tools: foobar2000, spectrum shown in logrithmic form to show more of the details of the lower frequency part.
This is the devocaled song. --> http://puu.sh/28mzt
This is the original spectrum. --> http://puu.sh/28ltM
In order to help you understand the spectrum, I put several lines on it. --> http://puu.sh/28my6
We know that certain pitch correspond to certain frequency, and the higher freq it is, the higher pitch it is. In the graph, we can clearly see that the melody of the instrument there is (fa---so----mi----la-so).
We can also see the intensity of the sound from the intensity of the grey color shown in the spectrum. The drums at the very right side correspond to a quarter note in music.
Let's focus on the instrument part. The red lines are the bar lines. Blue is 1/2 bar and black are 1/4 bar. The green line indicates when the note happens. It is pretty clear that the length of the piano notes is 1.5*quarter note. Your suggestion make some sense here since it fits the vocals. But if you say that this is off beat, I don't agree with you. I MAP ACCORDING TO WHAT IS IN THE MUSIC. Please explain why you want to change the pattern to what you have suggested. Is it just for simplification of the difficulty?
Now, please go ahead to challenge the frequency spectrum I get from computers, or think about what is actually in the music. (Does the computer cheat you?)
2nd issue: Is it destroying the whole design?
Because I mapped according to the actually note in the music, I don't see any problem putting those notes at those places. The only things can be heard there is the main vocal, the piano sound, and several random beats. The piano sound is actually in the previous repeat section also, but it is covered by other instruments. However, in this part, other instrument disappears and the piano sound comes out. That's why I mapped those notes. The rhythm might be a little difficult to hit, but that is what it is in the original song, and I should not change it because this difficulty is coming from the original song. If I just map according to the vocals, it just repeats the previous part in easy and normal diff and this is not interesting to play. I hope you could understand this.
Also I'm not a native english speaker, so if the language appears rude to you then I apologize.
For the normal issue, I will take your advice and make a less 1/4 note normal for all my later maps.
You didn't read properly. I didn't deny that it isn't "there". I just disagree that you should actually follow this layer, regardless of if its existing or not, because it simply is off the complete song/rhythm you have played in the whole map so far.
And showing me weird graphs doesn't make the pattern better playable/more intuitive.
If you need a technical analysis tool to show me the layer you followed, because its so hard to hear, you should not follow it.
And showing me weird graphs doesn't make the pattern better playable/more intuitive.
If you need a technical analysis tool to show me the layer you followed, because its so hard to hear, you should not follow it.
Topic Starter
Please contact entozer, djpop, hanyuu, ljqandylee or other higher ranking people to make sure that you are missing the piano notes.Loctav wrote:
You didn't read properly. I didn't deny that it isn't "there". I just disagree that you should actually follow this layer, regardless of if its existing or not, because it simply is off the complete song/rhythm you have played in the whole map so far.
And showing me weird graphs doesn't make the pattern better playable/more intuitive.
If you need a technical analysis tool to show me the layer you followed, because its so hard to hear, you should not follow it.
I'll just quote several here:
Hanyuu:"It seems loctav can't hear the piano sounds."
Entozer:"It matches perfectly fine there."
Louis:"arhythm? I don't want to read more"<-- this one is not quite good lol
And DJPop spend 4 hours just to mod my map, he even understood how I composed the whole map and gave some really good suggestions. He didn't ask me to change that part even in the easy diff. But you are just pointing out a pattern that is actually RIGHT to be wrong.
If you cannot hear what it actually is in the song, then please stop popping bubbles. Because you lack the ability to make sure that there is a note in the song. I already showed you that the sound intensity is given by the intensity of the grey color. And here is the spectrum of the original song: http://puu.sh/28PwX
Do you recognize the same pattern? Do you recognize the relative intensity of the voice and the piano sounds?
Popped for the off-timed hitobjects.
I didn't deny that it isn't "there"I'm arguing with you because you said the notes are off-beat. And that's the reason you popped the bubble. If the notes are not off-beat, why would you pop it in the first place? For the other reason, I already said that I mapped according to what is actually in the song. It is a difficult rhythm to hit, but this doesn't mean that it does not fit the song. If you say that this rhythm is too difficult for easy and normal, I can accept that and change it. But if you say that this is not a good pattern for all diffs, then I don't agree with you. Also the two sentences I quoted seems to contradict themselves.
I consider this pattern as unrankable, since whatever it follows, it follows something arhythmicPlease explain why you feel this is arhythmic if the rhythm is actually part of the song.
it simply is off the complete song/rhythm you have played in the whole map so far.Please listen carefully to the song. Actually the piano sound with this rhythm pattern is all over the place. It's just covered by other instruments. However in that particular part, all the other instrument is muted and piano sound remains. Also the voice is repeated in the previous section, it will be not interesting just to follow the voice again, especially in insane diffs. It requires some skills to get the right rhythm out, but I'm pretty sure that once you are familiar with the pattern, things will become much easier. Again, from the players perspective, isn't maps with certain different patterns and certain different rhythms that is actually following the music interesting to play?
BTW, I asked peppy to test the easy diff and he said "much better".
Since I don't feel like arguing for hours over pages and pages and it seems like the people I asked are agreeing with me and the poeple you asked, are agreeing with you, I actually can't rank it.
So I am returning this map to the state it has been.
If you really want to make sure that my suggestion wouldn't really be better (instead of staying hard lined), go ahead and ask whoever you consider worth it.
I won't rank it, so have your bubble back.
So I am returning this map to the state it has been.
If you really want to make sure that my suggestion wouldn't really be better (instead of staying hard lined), go ahead and ask whoever you consider worth it.
I won't rank it, so have your bubble back.
Topic Starter
Thank you for understanding! I will contact ppy then. I understand that this rhythm might not be easy to catch, but yeah I already used the simplest pattern in easier diffsLoctav wrote:
Since I don't feel like arguing for hours over pages and pages and it seems like the people I asked are agreeing with me and the poeple you asked, are agreeing with you, I actually can't rank it.
So I am returning this map to the state it has been.
If you really want to make sure that my suggestion wouldn't really be better (instead of staying hard lined), go ahead and ask whoever you consider worth it.
I won't rank it, so have your bubble back.
Hope this map can be ranked soon.
This rhythm is not that hard-.-
GoGo chonicle rerank please~
GoGo chonicle rerank please~
Much better now, Easy enough for beginners.
reranked.
reranked.
Sweet!
Congrats!
Still suck at o!m <3
Still suck at o!m <3
M&M hao chi
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cool rank! always great to see more osu!mania maps with a scoreboard, even if it took a bit of discussion
哇 恭喜！
My eyes are wrong or it's a bug?
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