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Making mistakes while attempting timing on this has been so frequent for me I think it's a curse by now.
I go back to my earlier post here and find out I provided a 51.252 BPM which is pretty off, and at this point I can't tell if that's just my typo or really the timing I settled with and gave you at that particular moment of time.
Thankfully, it doesn't implicate the map a lot.
51.53 BPM at 21,417.
Ensures the timing section at - 00:22:581 (1) - is snapped.
Why did you delete the rest of the map after - 01:41:859 - though ?
I thought it had some pretty great stuff.
Please don't give kudosu for this post.
I go back to my earlier post here and find out I provided a 51.252 BPM which is pretty off, and at this point I can't tell if that's just my typo or really the timing I settled with and gave you at that particular moment of time.
Thankfully, it doesn't implicate the map a lot.
51.53 BPM at 21,417.
Ensures the timing section at - 00:22:581 (1) - is snapped.
Why did you delete the rest of the map after - 01:41:859 - though ?
I thought it had some pretty great stuff.
Please don't give kudosu for this post.
Topic Starter
Hey, thanks for coming and recheckFaust wrote:
Making mistakes while attempting timing on this has been so frequent for me I think it's a curse by now.
I go back to my earlier post here and find out I provided a 51.252 BPM which is pretty off, and at this point I can't tell if that's just my typo or really the timing I settled with and gave you at that particular moment of time.
Thankfully, it doesn't implicate the map a lot.
51.53 BPM at 21,417.
Ensures the timing section at - 00:22:581 (1) - is snapped.
Why did you delete the rest of the map after - 01:41:859 - though ?
I thought it had some pretty great stuff.
Please don't give kudosu for this post.
I deleted the end of the map to make it end more naturally. I believe it was grumd's advice but other mods had mentionned this too, because it ended very abruptly before, just when a new "verse" had started. It makes the map even shorter, but I think it's more smooth this way
I fixed the bpm on the section at 21,417. there s no note on it so as you said not a big issue, but now next timing section is snapped on this. You probably wanted to type 51.52 in your original message ^^ Thanks again!
And here we go.
It was actually something like:SuperMoutarde wrote:
I believe it was grumd's advice
grumd: uh, the map ends so abruptly...
SuperMoutarde: some modders adviced to remove last part completely
grumd: oh yeah, that could work!
Was asked to recheck timing, and so I did. I feel that the ending is a little to early, everything else is pretty much spot on.
01:11:866 - I like this much better as 167 and then having everything shifted by +3ms. Works better if you ask me.
01:16:186 - This one shouldn't exist either. There is no musical basis that this is 109 bpm.
01:22:954 - This works better if you put 205 bpm here...
01:23:835 - ...and put 204 bpm here and move it to 01:23:832.
01:29:082 - I am getting 202 bpm here.
01:30:864 - I am getting 208 bpm here.
01:31:729 - I am getting 203 bpm here.
01:32:574 - This one is a bit early. I tried moving it to 01:32:585 with 195 bpm and it works better.
01:33:509 - This also shouldn't exist cause there is no music at all. Instead there should be a green line cancelling the kiai. (with my timing above this becomes 01:33:508)
01:34:646 - I am getting offset 01:34:657 here.
Basically the timing is more or less okay it's just that I believe it's slightly early at the end. Timing sections not mentioned above are fine (though after 01:11:866 the whole map needs +3ms, which means the other not-mentioned red sections as well, before you start changing to the values I described above.)
About those red lines which "snap" others, the removal of downbeats is kinda irrelevant here cause there are no notes anyway. Every new section has it's own red line with a downbeat already so all is fine when taiko is concerned.
Also since this is an arranged piece, I highly doubt there are BPMs which go into the 2nd or 3rd decimal value, and even the first decimal value can be debated hehe.
I am much more comfortable with these small changes I made to your timing, which were tested afterwards on OD9 and worked much better.
I will not pop this map just yet, I still want to have a word with Faust about the timing because he is also a very experienced timer, however there are always doubts, nobody is perfect. Chances are I am wrong too haha.
This is wrong. There is no music to suggest any timing here. Having a timing section to "snap" the next one is just wrong. This timing section should be removed in my opinion. There is nothing wrong to leave the old timing here and BPM manipulation without solid evidence (such as beats) is not really allowed.Faust wrote:
51.53 BPM at 21,417.
01:11:866 - I like this much better as 167 and then having everything shifted by +3ms. Works better if you ask me.
01:16:186 - This one shouldn't exist either. There is no musical basis that this is 109 bpm.
01:22:954 - This works better if you put 205 bpm here...
01:23:835 - ...and put 204 bpm here and move it to 01:23:832.
01:29:082 - I am getting 202 bpm here.
01:30:864 - I am getting 208 bpm here.
01:31:729 - I am getting 203 bpm here.
01:32:574 - This one is a bit early. I tried moving it to 01:32:585 with 195 bpm and it works better.
01:33:509 - This also shouldn't exist cause there is no music at all. Instead there should be a green line cancelling the kiai. (with my timing above this becomes 01:33:508)
01:34:646 - I am getting offset 01:34:657 here.
Basically the timing is more or less okay it's just that I believe it's slightly early at the end. Timing sections not mentioned above are fine (though after 01:11:866 the whole map needs +3ms, which means the other not-mentioned red sections as well, before you start changing to the values I described above.)
About those red lines which "snap" others, the removal of downbeats is kinda irrelevant here cause there are no notes anyway. Every new section has it's own red line with a downbeat already so all is fine when taiko is concerned.
Also since this is an arranged piece, I highly doubt there are BPMs which go into the 2nd or 3rd decimal value, and even the first decimal value can be debated hehe.
I am much more comfortable with these small changes I made to your timing, which were tested afterwards on OD9 and worked much better.
I will not pop this map just yet, I still want to have a word with Faust about the timing because he is also a very experienced timer, however there are always doubts, nobody is perfect. Chances are I am wrong too haha.
Topic Starter
I changed as you indicated and uploaded a new version, thanks a lot!
Just wait with the ranking process a little bit. Timing is a touchy subject and should be carefully debated.
edit: I have requested a timing help from a more experienced timer than myself and let's see what happens.
edit: I have requested a timing help from a more experienced timer than myself and let's see what happens.
Topic Starter
Of course, but is it normal that the status of the map is "waiting for creator's response" ?
edit: nvm, I just realized this is automatic, and just changed as I posted a reply xD
edit: nvm, I just realized this is automatic, and just changed as I posted a reply xD
Uh.
Waiting on the results to come in. Also, I don't really have time to discuss things with lolcubes until 2 days later so anything for that will have to wait.
Waiting on the results to come in. Also, I don't really have time to discuss things with lolcubes until 2 days later so anything for that will have to wait.
I asked Lybydose for help. Let's see if he can say something about all of this when he has time.Faust wrote:
Uh.
Waiting on the results to come in. Also, I don't really have time to discuss things with lolcubes until 2 days later so anything for that will have to wait.
It's been a week (actually 10 days) so recheck time. Sadly Lybydose couldn't check this but eh, I rechecked it now anyway.
Timing:
01:23:832 - Remove this red section, 204 bpm is too slow here and 205 seems to work best.
01:27:344 - Move everything from here onwards (including this) by -16, except for 01:34:657 and others (includes green lines too)
After you do all this, select everything and apply -8 offset to absolutely everything. Be careful how you resnap, the offset seems late to me.
This should be it. I can rebubble afterwards as the set looks nice. Sorry for the trouble and that you had to wait for so long, I was very tired when I checked the timing the first time and didn't spend so much on it, with those fixes it should be flawless.
Timing:
01:23:832 - Remove this red section, 204 bpm is too slow here and 205 seems to work best.
01:27:344 - Move everything from here onwards (including this) by -16, except for 01:34:657 and others (includes green lines too)
After you do all this, select everything and apply -8 offset to absolutely everything. Be careful how you resnap, the offset seems late to me.
This should be it. I can rebubble afterwards as the set looks nice. Sorry for the trouble and that you had to wait for so long, I was very tired when I checked the timing the first time and didn't spend so much on it, with those fixes it should be flawless.
Topic Starter
Changed and new version uploaded! Thanks a lot for taking some more time to rechecklolcubes wrote:
It's been a week (actually 10 days) so recheck time. Sadly Lybydose couldn't check this but eh, I rechecked it now anyway.
Timing:
01:23:832 - Remove this red section, 204 bpm is too slow here and 205 seems to work best.
01:27:344 - Move everything from here onwards (including this) by -16, except for 01:34:657 and others (includes green lines too)
After you do all this, select everything and apply -8 offset to absolutely everything. Be careful how you resnap, the offset seems late to me.
This should be it. I can rebubble afterwards as the set looks nice. Sorry for the trouble and that you had to wait for so long, I was very tired when I checked the timing the first time and didn't spend so much on it, with those fixes it should be flawless.
edit: additional modding through IRC. I didn't save it entirely but here is most of it
SPOILER
15:52 SuperMoutarde: if you listen to 25% with metronome clic
15:52 SuperMoutarde: it doesnt work
15:52 lolcubes: its good enough
15:52 SuperMoutarde: ok
15:52 lolcubes: that spot isn't mapped
15:52 lolcubes: so approximation is fine
15:52 SuperMoutarde: indeed
15:52 lolcubes: i am still trying to figure out these doubles
15:52 lolcubes: it's like
15:52 lolcubes: there is no sudden sound
15:53 lolcubes: so it affects everything between 1/4 and 1/3 ticks
15:53 lolcubes: and if the timing is off even by a very little bit
15:53 lolcubes: its easy to make a mistake
15:53 SuperMoutarde: yup
15:53 SuperMoutarde: bpm changes and 1/3 notes already make it pretty easy to fail for me anyway xD
15:53 lolcubes: well i could SS it before but my mistimed hits rose from 2% to 15% in the kiai
15:53 lolcubes: and ended up with ~10% xD
15:54 SuperMoutarde: yeah but it's hard to say how much of is due to this part being harder, and how much is due to mistiming
15:54 lolcubes: also the horn is indeed early at 01:17:022 -
15:54 lolcubes: and thats because its at 01:16:948 - hehe
15:54 lolcubes: if you check the other ticks in this whole section
15:54 lolcubes: its intentionally early
15:55 SuperMoutarde: oh yeah you're righ it s on blue tick
15:55 lolcubes: but yeah
15:55 lolcubes: if you listen to the rhythm closely
15:55 lolcubes: this may not be 204 after all
15:56 lolcubes: and the upcoming 204 is wrong
15:56 lolcubes: it does fit the melody
15:56 lolcubes: but it doesn't match the rhythm background
15:56 SuperMoutarde: this is so weird
15:57 lolcubes: 01:16:728 - try 195 bpm here
15:57 SuperMoutarde: the strangest thing happenned to me when playing FF8 on emulator, btw : the emulator crashed during this scene at the exact moment of the 204 BPM change, and the song kept playing over and over but with the 204 bpm being slowed to 168
15:57 lolcubes: and remove the upcoming 204
15:57 lolcubes: heh
15:57 lolcubes: you can directly rip the vid from the pc version though
15:57 lolcubes: its in rad video format
15:58 lolcubes: xd
15:58 SuperMoutarde: I didn't know about the PC version until you told me about it today xD
15:59 lolcubes: ill brb
16:01 SuperMoutarde: ok, i pu 195
16:01 SuperMoutarde: put
16:05 lolcubes: 01:22:946 (1,2,3) - why no whistles?
16:11 lolcubes: think i got this timing right now
16:11 lolcubes: im getting below 10% mistimed now
16:11 SuperMoutarde: yay, with what you told me, or did you make more changes?
16:11 lolcubes: more changes
16:11 lolcubes: very simple ones
16:11 SuperMoutarde:
16:12 SuperMoutarde: do I have the right to kudos you again since it's been a week since last time you helped?
16:12 lolcubes: no
16:13 lolcubes: usually kudosu = modpost
16:13 lolcubes: thats about it
16:13 SuperMoutarde: ok
16:13 lolcubes: this is just finishing the post from before
16:13 lolcubes: cause it was incorrect
16:13 SuperMoutarde: yeah but you take so much time
16:13 SuperMoutarde: compared to lazy mods who run AIBat and say the map looks too good for them to mod
16:13 SuperMoutarde: and stille arn their kudosu
16:13 lolcubes: i know right
16:13 lolcubes: i don't even use that
16:13 lolcubes: i simply refuse to
16:14 lolcubes: though 95% of the team uses it <_<
16:14 SuperMoutarde: well I do, cauz it helps, but I also mod it myself
16:14 lolcubes: i rather make a human mistake and be responsible for it
16:14 lolcubes: but still retain my ability to mod properly
16:14 lolcubes: than get lazy and do all that
16:14 lolcubes: and then go "oh but ai bat is outdated" or w/e
16:15 SuperMoutarde: so many lazy modders that when someone is really helpful I want them to be rewarded ^^
16:15 SuperMoutarde: aibat is still a plus
16:15 SuperMoutarde: like for skin dimensions and shit
16:15 lolcubes: its handy for certain things
16:15 lolcubes: which may be time wasting for a human to check
16:15 SuperMoutarde: snapping too
16:15 lolcubes: i still prefer to take extra time to do it myself too
16:15 lolcubes: snapping checker is already built into the game
16:16 SuperMoutarde: but doesnt work too well
16:16 lolcubes: it does
16:16 lolcubes: it snaps to below 1ms precision
16:16 SuperMoutarde: it didnt tell me that I had unsnapped notes when I actually still had
16:16 lolcubes: ...thats good enough :/
16:16 SuperMoutarde: and AIBat pointed out what the normal AIMod didnt see
16:16 SuperMoutarde: but this was 1ms errors
16:17 lolcubes: you know why it does that?
16:17 lolcubes: because they are not always errors
16:17 lolcubes: the thing is
16:17 lolcubes: when you have many red sections
16:17 lolcubes: what AIBat doesn't know is
16:17 lolcubes: for some reason due to mathematical errors
16:17 lolcubes: timeline IS actually 1ms off
16:17 SuperMoutarde: oO
16:17 SuperMoutarde: that explains a lot
16:17 lolcubes: so when you have a super handy bpm lets say 180
16:17 lolcubes: and you put it somewhere
16:18 lolcubes: after a while
16:18 lolcubes: you will notice ticks get 1ms off sometimes
16:18 lolcubes: not always, but sometimes
16:18 lolcubes: while aibat is just pure rounded math
16:18 lolcubes: in the end it doesn't really make a difference
16:18 SuperMoutarde: i got this problem exactly with this map many times
16:18 lolcubes: but it happens
16:19 SuperMoutarde: as you say it's only 1ms difference so not a big deal anyway, but I couldn't understand why it did that even if I checked the option to resnap notes on new timing
16:19 SuperMoutarde: as you say it's only 1ms difference so not a big deal anyway, but I couldn't understand why it did that even if I checked the option to resnap notes on new timing
16:19 lolcubes: this is also when you have weird bpms
16:19 lolcubes: like you had
16:20 lolcubes: 53.420 or w/e it was
16:20 lolcubes: hehe
16:20 lolcubes: because the game rounds it up to 1ms
16:20 lolcubes: while aibat still doesn't
16:20 SuperMoutarde: wait, did you tell me your additional timing changes or not?
16:20 lolcubes: no
16:20 lolcubes: im still building it
16:20 lolcubes: there are some minor things
16:20 SuperMoutarde: oh ok ^^
16:20 lolcubes: which make it go whack
16:23 lolcubes: 01:26:356 (5) - this note is a bit awkward
16:23 lolcubes: i believe this one is actually on a 1/4 tick
16:23 lolcubes: sigh, this song
16:23 lolcubes: 1/2 tick i mean
16:23 lolcubes: if thats the case
16:23 lolcubes: i would recommend a short slider lol
16:24 SuperMoutarde: hmm it doesn't sound like it should be on blue tick to me (i mean in terms of the music sheet)
16:24 lolcubes: not bllue
16:24 lolcubes: red
16:25 SuperMoutarde: you sure?
16:25 lolcubes: it does sound like it to me
16:26 SuperMoutarde: it's on white tick in the music sheet I believe
16:26 lolcubes: yeah well
16:26 lolcubes: wait what
16:26 lolcubes: white?
16:27 lolcubes: the note 5
16:27 lolcubes: is currently on a 1/3 tick
16:27 SuperMoutarde: ooo
16:27 SuperMoutarde: lol
16:27 SuperMoutarde: my bad
16:27 SuperMoutarde: i was looking at 01:27:336 (1) the whole time
16:27 lolcubes: 6 is on the downbeat yes
16:27 lolcubes: thats correct
16:27 lolcubes: hehe
16:28 lolcubes: 01:26:307 (5) - yeah im positive this should be here lol
16:28 lolcubes: on the 1/2 tick
16:29 SuperMoutarde: yeah definitely
16:29 SuperMoutarde: an error that occured when changing timing
16:29 SuperMoutarde: i had this on red tick the whole time
16:30 SuperMoutarde: well it's 311 for me but i assume it's because you made adjustment to the offset
16:30 lolcubes: more like bpm
16:30 lolcubes: hehe
16:30 SuperMoutarde: ^^
16:30 lolcubes: there is a simple logic here
16:30 lolcubes: so that 209 bpm you have
16:30 lolcubes: should be 208
16:30 lolcubes: but it should come earlier
16:31 SuperMoutarde: k
16:31 lolcubes: there is a pretty obvious pattern here
16:31 lolcubes: dont change yet though
16:31 lolcubes: cause there are some new stuff here
16:31 lolcubes: currently its an offset battle
16:31 lolcubes: i think i got the bpms down
16:31 SuperMoutarde: ahah an offset battle xD
16:31 SuperMoutarde: brb in 5minuts
16:34 lolcubes: ok
16:34 lolcubes: its perfect now
16:34 lolcubes: just say when you're back
16:34 lolcubes: this is working very nicely
16:42 SuperMoutarde: here i am
16:42 lolcubes: im just fine tuning the end
16:42 lolcubes: cause the end breaks with the current timing
16:42 lolcubes: but it looks much more clean now
16:42 SuperMoutarde:
16:46 lolcubes: lets use this
16:46 lolcubes: i almost SSd with od8
16:46 lolcubes: ok so
16:46 SuperMoutarde: clean result
16:46 lolcubes: 01:16:728 - 195 bpm
16:47 lolcubes: 01:17:652 - 204 bpm
16:47 lolcubes: 01:19:416 - 205 bpm
16:47 lolcubes: argh just one moment i need to solve one thing fast
16:48 lolcubes: 01:22:933 - 208 bpm
16:48 SuperMoutarde: are you suggesting to remove offset 77211 204 BPM?
16:48 lolcubes: yes
16:48 SuperMoutarde: ok
16:50 lolcubes: 01:22:928 - 208 bpm, which means the above 208 i wrote
16:50 lolcubes: move by -5
16:50 SuperMoutarde: k
16:51 lolcubes: one sec
16:51 lolcubes: wtf
16:51 lolcubes: my timing sections bugged
16:51 lolcubes: what am i doing
16:51 SuperMoutarde: lolol
16:51 SuperMoutarde: Sorry for putting you in such trouble xD
16:51 lolcubes: i had like
16:52 lolcubes: 2 sections on top of each other
16:52 lolcubes: so the lower bpm counted
16:52 lolcubes: argh
16:52 SuperMoutarde: lulz
16:52 lolcubes: now this is wrong lol
16:52 SuperMoutarde: which one was it?
16:52 lolcubes: the 208
16:52 SuperMoutarde: k
16:52 lolcubes: there is no 208
16:52 lolcubes: just remove
16:53 SuperMoutarde: so this should be on the 205 right?
16:53 lolcubes: from before? yes
16:53 SuperMoutarde: k
16:53 lolcubes: jesus what is wrong with this game
16:53 lolcubes: its already up to 900MB of ram
16:53 SuperMoutarde: oO
16:54 SuperMoutarde: lol, crash?
16:54 lolcubes: yes
16:54 lolcubes: lol
16:54 SuperMoutarde: editor makes my laptot overheat too
16:54 SuperMoutarde: laptopµ
16:54 lolcubes: well
16:54 lolcubes: the latest update
16:54 lolcubes: my osu is usually around 300~400
16:54 lolcubes: but latest update makes it go 900~1gb
16:54 lolcubes: and then crash
16:54 SuperMoutarde: wth
16:54 lolcubes: idk why
16:55 lolcubes: also the hitsounds started bugging for me again
16:55 lolcubes: cause xonar is a bullshit card for this game
16:55 lolcubes: that was fixed at some point
16:55 lolcubes: but now its unfixed
16:55 lolcubes: :/
16:55 SuperMoutarde: it was pretty minor update from the look of it
16:55 SuperMoutarde: that' s weird
17:00 lolcubes: yes this works
17:00 lolcubes: fixed it
17:00 lolcubes: ok so
17:01 lolcubes: ill just repeat
17:01 SuperMoutarde: ok,done. is it correct that the 205 bpm section goes from 79416 to 87336?
17:01 lolcubes: 01:16:728 - 195
17:01 lolcubes: 01:17:652 - 204
17:01 lolcubes: 01:19:416 - 205
17:01 SuperMoutarde: all these: done
17:01 lolcubes: 01:23:806 - 204
17:02 lolcubes: 01:26:453 - 205
17:03 lolcubes: 01:27:331 - 208
17:03 lolcubes: 01:28:196 - 205
17:03 lolcubes: 01:29:074 - 202
17:03 lolcubes: 01:30:856 - 205
17:04 lolcubes: 01:31:734 - 202
17:04 lolcubes: remove the rest
17:04 lolcubes: now there are a few special things to know
17:04 lolcubes: which you didn't originally do
17:04 lolcubes: and that is why people went to really silly timing values, including myself
17:05 lolcubes: 01:31:051 (2) - this slider here actually starts on a 1/3 tick
17:05 lolcubes: and ends on 01:31:441 - (you need 1/6 snap for this)
17:05 lolcubes: 01:31:932 (2) - same with this one here
17:05 lolcubes: starts on 1/3 ends on 01:32:328 - (also 1/6 snap cause 1/3 and 1/2 together make 1/6 else slider goes derp)
17:06 SuperMoutarde: oh ok, nice catch
17:13 lolcubes: you here?
17:13 lolcubes: my connection died for a minute haha
17:15 SuperMoutarde: i am here
17:15 SuperMoutarde: i am fixing the slider starting on 1/3 beat
17:15 lolcubes: okay
17:15 SuperMoutarde: sliders*
17:15 lolcubes: there are a few tricks we will include into the maps as well
17:15 lolcubes: so the video plays until the end
17:15 SuperMoutarde: how to?
17:15 lolcubes: tell me when you're done fixing
17:15 lolcubes: and update
17:15 lolcubes: so i can recheck
17:15 lolcubes: its a simple trick ill tell you after you fix stuff
17:15 lolcubes: we will do that at the end
17:16 SuperMoutarde: alright
17:17 SuperMoutarde: you meant I should place the beginning of the sliders on the 1/3 beat that is before its previous starting point, right?
17:18 SuperMoutarde: or after?
17:18 lolcubes: just link me the slider
17:18 lolcubes: ill tell you where to start
17:18 lolcubes: and where to end
17:18 lolcubes: its most simple
17:18 SuperMoutarde: 01:30:953 (2) -
17:19 lolcubes: 01:31:051 - this tick here
17:19 lolcubes: ends on 01:31:441 -
17:20 SuperMoutarde: ok, i knew i was wrong xD
17:20 lolcubes: the other slider should start on 01:31:932 - and end on 01:32:328 -
17:20 lolcubes: just one thing
17:20 lolcubes: i made one small adjustment to the timing here
17:20 lolcubes: sorry for not telling you
17:21 lolcubes: this 202 bpm 01:31:734 -
17:21 lolcubes: 01:32:612 - goes here
17:21 lolcubes: so the final 4 notes come a bit earlier
17:21 lolcubes: cause they were late
17:21 lolcubes: so the section until 01:32:612 - is still 205 bpm
17:21 lolcubes: which is at 01:30:856 -
17:21 SuperMoutarde: i move the offset to 01:32:612, correct?
17:22 lolcubes: on that 202 bpm, yes
17:22 SuperMoutarde: ok
17:24 SuperMoutarde: wait, what happpens to the 195 bpm section then
17:24 lolcubes: poof
17:24 lolcubes:
17:24 lolcubes: doesn't exist
17:24 SuperMoutarde: lol ok
17:26 SuperMoutarde: ok i did all, let me just check i didnt fuck up the snapping, and apply to all diff
17:27 lolcubes: yeah and then update
17:28 lolcubes: cause i have some hitsound suggestions hehe
17:28 lolcubes: i didnt even check other diffs yet
17:28 SuperMoutarde: well they re the same but easier
17:28 SuperMoutarde: xD
17:38 lolcubes: fixed all?
17:38 SuperMoutarde: i m applying on normal and easy, gotta fix the green sections and stuff, sorry for slow :/
17:39 lolcubes: oh no worries
17:39 lolcubes: was afk
17:47 lolcubes: gonna afk a bit again
17:47 SuperMoutarde: ok
17:47 SuperMoutarde: i m almostdone though
17:47 lolcubes: just let me know when you're done
17:47 SuperMoutarde: k
17:55 SuperMoutarde: I uploaded new version!
17:57 lolcubes: ok in hard
17:57 lolcubes: 01:30:559 (6,7,1,2) - you should rethink this pattern
17:58 lolcubes: it does look ugly :p
17:58 SuperMoutarde: ok
17:58 lolcubes: ill just drop off some suggestions
17:58 SuperMoutarde: you will have to accept the kudos at some point xD
17:59 lolcubes: 01:27:619 (4,5) - whistles at these
17:59 lolcubes: because of the melody
17:59 lolcubes: highlights
17:59 lolcubes: haha sure why not, at this point hehe
17:59 lolcubes: 01:28:927 (2,3,4) - same here, consider soft whistles
17:59 lolcubes: but only on the slider end
17:59 lolcubes: and circles 34
18:00 SuperMoutarde: then it would be good to also add whistle on start of 01:29:965 (5) don't you think?
18:01 lolcubes: oh yeah
18:01 lolcubes: i missed it
18:01 lolcubes: my bad
18:01 SuperMoutarde: ^^
18:01 lolcubes: 01:17:189 (2) - this should be on a 1/3 tick at 01:17:189 (2) -
18:02 lolcubes: wait what
18:02 SuperMoutarde: lolz
18:02 lolcubes: 01:17:240 -
18:02 lolcubes: here
18:02 lolcubes: 01:18:975 (5) - this one should be on a 1/3 tick at 01:19:024 -
18:02 lolcubes: 01:22:489 (5) - on 01:22:537 -
18:02 lolcubes: 01:24:247 (2) - on 01:24:296 -
18:02 lolcubes: 01:26:306 (5) - this one is correct
18:03 lolcubes: leave this one alone :p
18:03 lolcubes: but
18:03 lolcubes: instead of 2 stacking circles
18:03 lolcubes: you should consider using a slider
18:03 SuperMoutarde: well, are you sure? because i had mapped like this at first (mainly because my timing was wrong anyway) but after I look at the music sheet, I saw all these doubles are supposed to be on 1/2
18:03 SuperMoutarde: well, are you sure? because i had mapped like this at first (mainly because my timing was wrong anyway) but after I look at the music sheet, I saw all these doubles are supposed to be on 1/2
18:03 lolcubes: well
18:03 lolcubes: waltz is supposed to be mapped on the white ticks too?
18:03 lolcubes: i mean
18:03 lolcubes: played
18:03 lolcubes: but its improvised a little
18:03 lolcubes: so its on 1/3 ticks
18:03 lolcubes: right?
18:04 SuperMoutarde: You know better than I do ^^
18:05 lolcubes: its not really about knowing
18:05 lolcubes: its more about listening hehe
18:06 lolcubes: just when you do those fixes update so i check em again :p
18:06 lolcubes: still have to check other diffs too but i wanna get this one out of the way
18:06 SuperMoutarde: ok, i am doing the changes in all diff already, though ^ ^
18:13 SuperMoutarde: all done and updated!
18:20 lolcubes: in normal
18:20 lolcubes: 00:54:001 (7) - this finish here
18:20 lolcubes: sounds a bit odd
18:20 lolcubes: you have whistles on 00:54:001 (7,8) - in hard
18:20 lolcubes: do the same here?
18:21 SuperMoutarde: fixed
18:21 SuperMoutarde: i had a finish there in hard originally, forgot to change normal when i changed hard
18:21 lolcubes: hm
18:21 lolcubes: if possible
18:21 lolcubes: would you mind changing the logic of the objects in normal?
18:21 lolcubes: for example
18:21 lolcubes: 01:16:728 (1,2) -
18:21 lolcubes: i don't think this would work for a normal
18:22 SuperMoutarde: what would you suggest?
18:22 lolcubes: simply because the starting point is the heavy point
18:22 lolcubes: i would sugest a circle at the start
18:22 lolcubes: and a short slider for the 2 1/3 notes
18:22 lolcubes: for pretty much all occurences of such rhythms here
18:22 SuperMoutarde: ok
18:22 lolcubes: 01:18:240 (3) - this is ok
18:22 lolcubes: but those 2 circles are not
18:22 lolcubes: they are too hard
18:22 lolcubes: should be one small slider
18:22 SuperMoutarde: alright
18:23 lolcubes: 01:23:367 (1) - this feels off and really weird
18:23 lolcubes: rather map the downbeat at 01:22:928 -
18:23 lolcubes: and then a circle at 01:23:806 -
18:23 lolcubes: 01:26:306 (6,7) - this should also be a slider cause it wouldn't really be readable though, it probably would but best to avoid any confusion
18:24 lolcubes: it's a normal after all
18:24 lolcubes: 01:28:052 (3,4) - should have whistles too :p
18:24 lolcubes: but the slider 4 should have it on the start, not end
18:24 lolcubes: sounds a bit weird on end cause there are no notes before it
18:24 SuperMoutarde: hmm i m not a fan of changing the slider start on 01:22:928 i like it better as it is now :/
18:25 lolcubes: well
18:25 lolcubes: its certainly misplaced though
18:25 SuperMoutarde: why?
18:25 SuperMoutarde: it s same as in hard
18:25 SuperMoutarde: it follows music well imo
18:25 lolcubes: 01:23:367 (1) - ?
18:25 lolcubes: you have 4 circles here in hard
18:25 lolcubes: o_o
18:26 lolcubes: wait
18:26 lolcubes: uh
18:26 lolcubes: you have nothing here in normal
18:26 lolcubes: 01:22:928 -
18:26 lolcubes: on this tick
18:26 lolcubes: you have 4 circles on hard
18:26 SuperMoutarde: yeah definitely not like in hard, actually, my bad
18:26 SuperMoutarde: lol
18:26 lolcubes: 01:23:367 - this is a wrong place to start the slider because it creates a rhythm on this tick
18:26 lolcubes: which is nonexistant in the music hehe
18:26 SuperMoutarde: ok
18:26 lolcubes: should be either of the white ticks, preferrably downbeat or the 2nd small one
18:26 lolcubes: if you want to keep it its fine
18:27 lolcubes: just make sure it starts on 01:23:513 - then
18:27 lolcubes: as a "lead in" towards the next section
18:27 SuperMoutarde: but wait 01:23:367 is not nonexistant in the music
18:27 SuperMoutarde: or my ears are betraying me big time
18:27 lolcubes: dont delete the - at the end
18:28 lolcubes: i can't click the link then
18:28 lolcubes: :/
18:28 SuperMoutarde: 01:23:367
18:28 SuperMoutarde: still the same
18:28 lolcubes: not getting a link
18:28 SuperMoutarde: wtf
18:28 lolcubes: do you know how to get links?
18:28 SuperMoutarde: 01:23:367 (1) -
18:28 lolcubes: you press ctrl+c on the timeline
18:28 SuperMoutarde: here u go ^^
18:28 lolcubes: and just paste it into the chat
18:28 SuperMoutarde: y i know
18:28 lolcubes: yeah i know i understand what it's trying to follow
18:29 lolcubes: the thing it's trying to follow does indeed start with the slider, however it starts silent and comes into a crescendo until the end
18:29 lolcubes: problem is
18:29 lolcubes: slider start creates a rhythm
18:29 lolcubes: which is in between the main rhythm notes
18:29 lolcubes: and causes it to break
18:29 lolcubes: that's why it's so iffy
18:29 SuperMoutarde: i see
18:29 SuperMoutarde: but it sounds weird if i move the start to previous beat though
18:29 lolcubes: move it to 01:23:513 - :p
18:29 lolcubes: it sounds pretty good like this
18:30 SuperMoutarde: yeah that works
18:30 SuperMoutarde: done
18:31 lolcubes: 01:28:052 (3,4) - fixed whistles here?
18:31 SuperMoutarde: yep
18:32 lolcubes: 01:38:583 - you dont have any whistles here in hard, and i like that actually
18:32 lolcubes: these whistles in normal kinda break the consistency of hitsounding you used
18:32 lolcubes: i would suggest to remove them
18:32 lolcubes: 01:41:042 (1,2) - except for these two
18:32 lolcubes: these two are cool
18:33 lolcubes: might want to add them in hard too
18:33 SuperMoutarde: osu is going crazy i have to restart it
18:33 lolcubes: sure
18:33 SuperMoutarde: how can i keep the chat log?
18:33 lolcubes: /savelog
18:37 SuperMoutarde: alright, I changed the whistles in the end as you suggested in normal and hard
18:38 lolcubes: update please
18:38 lolcubes: sorry im kinda demanding hehe
18:38 SuperMoutarde: done
18:38 SuperMoutarde: oh wait
18:39 lolcubes: something broke
18:39 lolcubes: cant enter edit
18:39 lolcubes: lol
18:39 lolcubes: ill restart
18:39 SuperMoutarde: i didnt change the patterns that you said are too hard in normal yet
18:39 SuperMoutarde: i still have to change the patterns in normal for the doubles, actually, forgot to fix that
18:39 lolcubes: okay
18:45 lolcubes: in easy there is only one thing i think you should change
18:45 SuperMoutarde: you think i can keep 01:26:306 (5,6) as it is since it's 1/2?
18:45 SuperMoutarde: shit
18:45 SuperMoutarde: 01:26:306 (5,6) -
18:45 lolcubes: two actually
18:45 lolcubes: its better ot make them a slider too
18:45 SuperMoutarde: k
18:45 lolcubes: since they are a slider in hard
18:45 SuperMoutarde: ahah true ^^
18:45 lolcubes: awkward song choice, not much you can do about it heh
18:47 SuperMoutarde: hehe, not as awkward as my new map though, it has to challenging for it to be fun ^^
18:47 SuperMoutarde: what are the changes for Easy?
18:47 lolcubes: 01:20:294 (5) - new combo here
18:47 lolcubes: 01:28:196 (2) - and this note here
18:47 lolcubes: i am not sure about this one
18:47 lolcubes: the rhythm it creates is constant
18:47 lolcubes: while the music doesn't suggest that
18:47 lolcubes: moving it to 01:28:488 - does sound better but i dunno
18:48 lolcubes: i would recomment that at least
18:48 lolcubes: maybe even add something to 01:28:781 -
18:48 lolcubes: so its less confusing lol
18:48 lolcubes: http://puu.sh/22ZOt/4dd4eef324 like this
18:48 lolcubes: a short slider
18:49 SuperMoutarde: k
18:49 lolcubes: flows better too
18:49 SuperMoutarde: yeah i know what you mean, it was a bit weird
18:50 SuperMoutarde: ok, done
18:51 lolcubes: update again so i can check the whole thing
18:51 SuperMoutarde: done
18:54 lolcubes: actually
18:54 lolcubes: in normal
18:54 lolcubes: 01:26:306 (5) -
18:54 lolcubes: i would actually just suggest 1 circle at 01:26:453 -
18:54 lolcubes: that would make the map much more readable
18:54 lolcubes: and this note on the 1/2 tick isn't that important
18:55 lolcubes: because you couldn't follow the complete melody around this area
18:55 lolcubes: losing a note here wouldn't make a huge difference on how it sounds
18:55 lolcubes: but it would make a huge difference in how it plays
18:55 lolcubes: i.e. more simple
18:55 SuperMoutarde: okey
18:56 SuperMoutarde: woops, accidentally added whistle to a whole slider
18:56 lolcubes: 01:28:196 (4) - this one right?
18:56 lolcubes: was about to say hehe
18:57 SuperMoutarde: yeah this one ^^ just fixed it and reuploaded
18:59 lolcubes: right
18:59 lolcubes: lets rebubble this
18:59 lolcubes: ill forward this to a friend so he checks it and maybe ranks it
18:59 SuperMoutarde: Yay!
18:59 SuperMoutarde: thanks a lot!
15:52 SuperMoutarde: it doesnt work
15:52 lolcubes: its good enough
15:52 SuperMoutarde: ok
15:52 lolcubes: that spot isn't mapped
15:52 lolcubes: so approximation is fine
15:52 SuperMoutarde: indeed
15:52 lolcubes: i am still trying to figure out these doubles
15:52 lolcubes: it's like
15:52 lolcubes: there is no sudden sound
15:53 lolcubes: so it affects everything between 1/4 and 1/3 ticks
15:53 lolcubes: and if the timing is off even by a very little bit
15:53 lolcubes: its easy to make a mistake
15:53 SuperMoutarde: yup
15:53 SuperMoutarde: bpm changes and 1/3 notes already make it pretty easy to fail for me anyway xD
15:53 lolcubes: well i could SS it before but my mistimed hits rose from 2% to 15% in the kiai
15:53 lolcubes: and ended up with ~10% xD
15:54 SuperMoutarde: yeah but it's hard to say how much of is due to this part being harder, and how much is due to mistiming
15:54 lolcubes: also the horn is indeed early at 01:17:022 -
15:54 lolcubes: and thats because its at 01:16:948 - hehe
15:54 lolcubes: if you check the other ticks in this whole section
15:54 lolcubes: its intentionally early
15:55 SuperMoutarde: oh yeah you're righ it s on blue tick
15:55 lolcubes: but yeah
15:55 lolcubes: if you listen to the rhythm closely
15:55 lolcubes: this may not be 204 after all
15:56 lolcubes: and the upcoming 204 is wrong
15:56 lolcubes: it does fit the melody
15:56 lolcubes: but it doesn't match the rhythm background
15:56 SuperMoutarde: this is so weird
15:57 lolcubes: 01:16:728 - try 195 bpm here
15:57 SuperMoutarde: the strangest thing happenned to me when playing FF8 on emulator, btw : the emulator crashed during this scene at the exact moment of the 204 BPM change, and the song kept playing over and over but with the 204 bpm being slowed to 168
15:57 lolcubes: and remove the upcoming 204
15:57 lolcubes: heh
15:57 lolcubes: you can directly rip the vid from the pc version though
15:57 lolcubes: its in rad video format
15:58 lolcubes: xd
15:58 SuperMoutarde: I didn't know about the PC version until you told me about it today xD
15:59 lolcubes: ill brb
16:01 SuperMoutarde: ok, i pu 195
16:01 SuperMoutarde: put
16:05 lolcubes: 01:22:946 (1,2,3) - why no whistles?
16:11 lolcubes: think i got this timing right now
16:11 lolcubes: im getting below 10% mistimed now
16:11 SuperMoutarde: yay, with what you told me, or did you make more changes?
16:11 lolcubes: more changes
16:11 lolcubes: very simple ones
16:11 SuperMoutarde:
16:12 SuperMoutarde: do I have the right to kudos you again since it's been a week since last time you helped?
16:12 lolcubes: no
16:13 lolcubes: usually kudosu = modpost
16:13 lolcubes: thats about it
16:13 SuperMoutarde: ok
16:13 lolcubes: this is just finishing the post from before
16:13 lolcubes: cause it was incorrect
16:13 SuperMoutarde: yeah but you take so much time
16:13 SuperMoutarde: compared to lazy mods who run AIBat and say the map looks too good for them to mod
16:13 SuperMoutarde: and stille arn their kudosu
16:13 lolcubes: i know right
16:13 lolcubes: i don't even use that
16:13 lolcubes: i simply refuse to
16:14 lolcubes: though 95% of the team uses it <_<
16:14 SuperMoutarde: well I do, cauz it helps, but I also mod it myself
16:14 lolcubes: i rather make a human mistake and be responsible for it
16:14 lolcubes: but still retain my ability to mod properly
16:14 lolcubes: than get lazy and do all that
16:14 lolcubes: and then go "oh but ai bat is outdated" or w/e
16:15 SuperMoutarde: so many lazy modders that when someone is really helpful I want them to be rewarded ^^
16:15 SuperMoutarde: aibat is still a plus
16:15 SuperMoutarde: like for skin dimensions and shit
16:15 lolcubes: its handy for certain things
16:15 lolcubes: which may be time wasting for a human to check
16:15 SuperMoutarde: snapping too
16:15 lolcubes: i still prefer to take extra time to do it myself too
16:15 lolcubes: snapping checker is already built into the game
16:16 SuperMoutarde: but doesnt work too well
16:16 lolcubes: it does
16:16 lolcubes: it snaps to below 1ms precision
16:16 SuperMoutarde: it didnt tell me that I had unsnapped notes when I actually still had
16:16 lolcubes: ...thats good enough :/
16:16 SuperMoutarde: and AIBat pointed out what the normal AIMod didnt see
16:16 SuperMoutarde: but this was 1ms errors
16:17 lolcubes: you know why it does that?
16:17 lolcubes: because they are not always errors
16:17 lolcubes: the thing is
16:17 lolcubes: when you have many red sections
16:17 lolcubes: what AIBat doesn't know is
16:17 lolcubes: for some reason due to mathematical errors
16:17 lolcubes: timeline IS actually 1ms off
16:17 SuperMoutarde: oO
16:17 SuperMoutarde: that explains a lot
16:17 lolcubes: so when you have a super handy bpm lets say 180
16:17 lolcubes: and you put it somewhere
16:18 lolcubes: after a while
16:18 lolcubes: you will notice ticks get 1ms off sometimes
16:18 lolcubes: not always, but sometimes
16:18 lolcubes: while aibat is just pure rounded math
16:18 lolcubes: in the end it doesn't really make a difference
16:18 SuperMoutarde: i got this problem exactly with this map many times
16:18 lolcubes: but it happens
16:19 SuperMoutarde: as you say it's only 1ms difference so not a big deal anyway, but I couldn't understand why it did that even if I checked the option to resnap notes on new timing
16:19 SuperMoutarde: as you say it's only 1ms difference so not a big deal anyway, but I couldn't understand why it did that even if I checked the option to resnap notes on new timing
16:19 lolcubes: this is also when you have weird bpms
16:19 lolcubes: like you had
16:20 lolcubes: 53.420 or w/e it was
16:20 lolcubes: hehe
16:20 lolcubes: because the game rounds it up to 1ms
16:20 lolcubes: while aibat still doesn't
16:20 SuperMoutarde: wait, did you tell me your additional timing changes or not?
16:20 lolcubes: no
16:20 lolcubes: im still building it
16:20 lolcubes: there are some minor things
16:20 SuperMoutarde: oh ok ^^
16:20 lolcubes: which make it go whack
16:23 lolcubes: 01:26:356 (5) - this note is a bit awkward
16:23 lolcubes: i believe this one is actually on a 1/4 tick
16:23 lolcubes: sigh, this song
16:23 lolcubes: 1/2 tick i mean
16:23 lolcubes: if thats the case
16:23 lolcubes: i would recommend a short slider lol
16:24 SuperMoutarde: hmm it doesn't sound like it should be on blue tick to me (i mean in terms of the music sheet)
16:24 lolcubes: not bllue
16:24 lolcubes: red
16:25 SuperMoutarde: you sure?
16:25 lolcubes: it does sound like it to me
16:26 SuperMoutarde: it's on white tick in the music sheet I believe
16:26 lolcubes: yeah well
16:26 lolcubes: wait what
16:26 lolcubes: white?
16:27 lolcubes: the note 5
16:27 lolcubes: is currently on a 1/3 tick
16:27 SuperMoutarde: ooo
16:27 SuperMoutarde: lol
16:27 SuperMoutarde: my bad
16:27 SuperMoutarde: i was looking at 01:27:336 (1) the whole time
16:27 lolcubes: 6 is on the downbeat yes
16:27 lolcubes: thats correct
16:27 lolcubes: hehe
16:28 lolcubes: 01:26:307 (5) - yeah im positive this should be here lol
16:28 lolcubes: on the 1/2 tick
16:29 SuperMoutarde: yeah definitely
16:29 SuperMoutarde: an error that occured when changing timing
16:29 SuperMoutarde: i had this on red tick the whole time
16:30 SuperMoutarde: well it's 311 for me but i assume it's because you made adjustment to the offset
16:30 lolcubes: more like bpm
16:30 lolcubes: hehe
16:30 SuperMoutarde: ^^
16:30 lolcubes: there is a simple logic here
16:30 lolcubes: so that 209 bpm you have
16:30 lolcubes: should be 208
16:30 lolcubes: but it should come earlier
16:31 SuperMoutarde: k
16:31 lolcubes: there is a pretty obvious pattern here
16:31 lolcubes: dont change yet though
16:31 lolcubes: cause there are some new stuff here
16:31 lolcubes: currently its an offset battle
16:31 lolcubes: i think i got the bpms down
16:31 SuperMoutarde: ahah an offset battle xD
16:31 SuperMoutarde: brb in 5minuts
16:34 lolcubes: ok
16:34 lolcubes: its perfect now
16:34 lolcubes: just say when you're back
16:34 lolcubes: this is working very nicely
16:42 SuperMoutarde: here i am
16:42 lolcubes: im just fine tuning the end
16:42 lolcubes: cause the end breaks with the current timing
16:42 lolcubes: but it looks much more clean now
16:42 SuperMoutarde:
16:46 lolcubes: lets use this
16:46 lolcubes: i almost SSd with od8
16:46 lolcubes: ok so
16:46 SuperMoutarde: clean result
16:46 lolcubes: 01:16:728 - 195 bpm
16:47 lolcubes: 01:17:652 - 204 bpm
16:47 lolcubes: 01:19:416 - 205 bpm
16:47 lolcubes: argh just one moment i need to solve one thing fast
16:48 lolcubes: 01:22:933 - 208 bpm
16:48 SuperMoutarde: are you suggesting to remove offset 77211 204 BPM?
16:48 lolcubes: yes
16:48 SuperMoutarde: ok
16:50 lolcubes: 01:22:928 - 208 bpm, which means the above 208 i wrote
16:50 lolcubes: move by -5
16:50 SuperMoutarde: k
16:51 lolcubes: one sec
16:51 lolcubes: wtf
16:51 lolcubes: my timing sections bugged
16:51 lolcubes: what am i doing
16:51 SuperMoutarde: lolol
16:51 SuperMoutarde: Sorry for putting you in such trouble xD
16:51 lolcubes: i had like
16:52 lolcubes: 2 sections on top of each other
16:52 lolcubes: so the lower bpm counted
16:52 lolcubes: argh
16:52 SuperMoutarde: lulz
16:52 lolcubes: now this is wrong lol
16:52 SuperMoutarde: which one was it?
16:52 lolcubes: the 208
16:52 SuperMoutarde: k
16:52 lolcubes: there is no 208
16:52 lolcubes: just remove
16:53 SuperMoutarde: so this should be on the 205 right?
16:53 lolcubes: from before? yes
16:53 SuperMoutarde: k
16:53 lolcubes: jesus what is wrong with this game
16:53 lolcubes: its already up to 900MB of ram
16:53 SuperMoutarde: oO
16:54 SuperMoutarde: lol, crash?
16:54 lolcubes: yes
16:54 lolcubes: lol
16:54 SuperMoutarde: editor makes my laptot overheat too
16:54 SuperMoutarde: laptopµ
16:54 lolcubes: well
16:54 lolcubes: the latest update
16:54 lolcubes: my osu is usually around 300~400
16:54 lolcubes: but latest update makes it go 900~1gb
16:54 lolcubes: and then crash
16:54 SuperMoutarde: wth
16:54 lolcubes: idk why
16:55 lolcubes: also the hitsounds started bugging for me again
16:55 lolcubes: cause xonar is a bullshit card for this game
16:55 lolcubes: that was fixed at some point
16:55 lolcubes: but now its unfixed
16:55 lolcubes: :/
16:55 SuperMoutarde: it was pretty minor update from the look of it
16:55 SuperMoutarde: that' s weird
17:00 lolcubes: yes this works
17:00 lolcubes: fixed it
17:00 lolcubes: ok so
17:01 lolcubes: ill just repeat
17:01 SuperMoutarde: ok,done. is it correct that the 205 bpm section goes from 79416 to 87336?
17:01 lolcubes: 01:16:728 - 195
17:01 lolcubes: 01:17:652 - 204
17:01 lolcubes: 01:19:416 - 205
17:01 SuperMoutarde: all these: done
17:01 lolcubes: 01:23:806 - 204
17:02 lolcubes: 01:26:453 - 205
17:03 lolcubes: 01:27:331 - 208
17:03 lolcubes: 01:28:196 - 205
17:03 lolcubes: 01:29:074 - 202
17:03 lolcubes: 01:30:856 - 205
17:04 lolcubes: 01:31:734 - 202
17:04 lolcubes: remove the rest
17:04 lolcubes: now there are a few special things to know
17:04 lolcubes: which you didn't originally do
17:04 lolcubes: and that is why people went to really silly timing values, including myself
17:05 lolcubes: 01:31:051 (2) - this slider here actually starts on a 1/3 tick
17:05 lolcubes: and ends on 01:31:441 - (you need 1/6 snap for this)
17:05 lolcubes: 01:31:932 (2) - same with this one here
17:05 lolcubes: starts on 1/3 ends on 01:32:328 - (also 1/6 snap cause 1/3 and 1/2 together make 1/6 else slider goes derp)
17:06 SuperMoutarde: oh ok, nice catch
17:13 lolcubes: you here?
17:13 lolcubes: my connection died for a minute haha
17:15 SuperMoutarde: i am here
17:15 SuperMoutarde: i am fixing the slider starting on 1/3 beat
17:15 lolcubes: okay
17:15 SuperMoutarde: sliders*
17:15 lolcubes: there are a few tricks we will include into the maps as well
17:15 lolcubes: so the video plays until the end
17:15 SuperMoutarde: how to?
17:15 lolcubes: tell me when you're done fixing
17:15 lolcubes: and update
17:15 lolcubes: so i can recheck
17:15 lolcubes: its a simple trick ill tell you after you fix stuff
17:15 lolcubes: we will do that at the end
17:16 SuperMoutarde: alright
17:17 SuperMoutarde: you meant I should place the beginning of the sliders on the 1/3 beat that is before its previous starting point, right?
17:18 SuperMoutarde: or after?
17:18 lolcubes: just link me the slider
17:18 lolcubes: ill tell you where to start
17:18 lolcubes: and where to end
17:18 lolcubes: its most simple
17:18 SuperMoutarde: 01:30:953 (2) -
17:19 lolcubes: 01:31:051 - this tick here
17:19 lolcubes: ends on 01:31:441 -
17:20 SuperMoutarde: ok, i knew i was wrong xD
17:20 lolcubes: the other slider should start on 01:31:932 - and end on 01:32:328 -
17:20 lolcubes: just one thing
17:20 lolcubes: i made one small adjustment to the timing here
17:20 lolcubes: sorry for not telling you
17:21 lolcubes: this 202 bpm 01:31:734 -
17:21 lolcubes: 01:32:612 - goes here
17:21 lolcubes: so the final 4 notes come a bit earlier
17:21 lolcubes: cause they were late
17:21 lolcubes: so the section until 01:32:612 - is still 205 bpm
17:21 lolcubes: which is at 01:30:856 -
17:21 SuperMoutarde: i move the offset to 01:32:612, correct?
17:22 lolcubes: on that 202 bpm, yes
17:22 SuperMoutarde: ok
17:24 SuperMoutarde: wait, what happpens to the 195 bpm section then
17:24 lolcubes: poof
17:24 lolcubes:
17:24 lolcubes: doesn't exist
17:24 SuperMoutarde: lol ok
17:26 SuperMoutarde: ok i did all, let me just check i didnt fuck up the snapping, and apply to all diff
17:27 lolcubes: yeah and then update
17:28 lolcubes: cause i have some hitsound suggestions hehe
17:28 lolcubes: i didnt even check other diffs yet
17:28 SuperMoutarde: well they re the same but easier
17:28 SuperMoutarde: xD
17:38 lolcubes: fixed all?
17:38 SuperMoutarde: i m applying on normal and easy, gotta fix the green sections and stuff, sorry for slow :/
17:39 lolcubes: oh no worries
17:39 lolcubes: was afk
17:47 lolcubes: gonna afk a bit again
17:47 SuperMoutarde: ok
17:47 SuperMoutarde: i m almostdone though
17:47 lolcubes: just let me know when you're done
17:47 SuperMoutarde: k
17:55 SuperMoutarde: I uploaded new version!
17:57 lolcubes: ok in hard
17:57 lolcubes: 01:30:559 (6,7,1,2) - you should rethink this pattern
17:58 lolcubes: it does look ugly :p
17:58 SuperMoutarde: ok
17:58 lolcubes: ill just drop off some suggestions
17:58 SuperMoutarde: you will have to accept the kudos at some point xD
17:59 lolcubes: 01:27:619 (4,5) - whistles at these
17:59 lolcubes: because of the melody
17:59 lolcubes: highlights
17:59 lolcubes: haha sure why not, at this point hehe
17:59 lolcubes: 01:28:927 (2,3,4) - same here, consider soft whistles
17:59 lolcubes: but only on the slider end
17:59 lolcubes: and circles 34
18:00 SuperMoutarde: then it would be good to also add whistle on start of 01:29:965 (5) don't you think?
18:01 lolcubes: oh yeah
18:01 lolcubes: i missed it
18:01 lolcubes: my bad
18:01 SuperMoutarde: ^^
18:01 lolcubes: 01:17:189 (2) - this should be on a 1/3 tick at 01:17:189 (2) -
18:02 lolcubes: wait what
18:02 SuperMoutarde: lolz
18:02 lolcubes: 01:17:240 -
18:02 lolcubes: here
18:02 lolcubes: 01:18:975 (5) - this one should be on a 1/3 tick at 01:19:024 -
18:02 lolcubes: 01:22:489 (5) - on 01:22:537 -
18:02 lolcubes: 01:24:247 (2) - on 01:24:296 -
18:02 lolcubes: 01:26:306 (5) - this one is correct
18:03 lolcubes: leave this one alone :p
18:03 lolcubes: but
18:03 lolcubes: instead of 2 stacking circles
18:03 lolcubes: you should consider using a slider
18:03 SuperMoutarde: well, are you sure? because i had mapped like this at first (mainly because my timing was wrong anyway) but after I look at the music sheet, I saw all these doubles are supposed to be on 1/2
18:03 SuperMoutarde: well, are you sure? because i had mapped like this at first (mainly because my timing was wrong anyway) but after I look at the music sheet, I saw all these doubles are supposed to be on 1/2
18:03 lolcubes: well
18:03 lolcubes: waltz is supposed to be mapped on the white ticks too?
18:03 lolcubes: i mean
18:03 lolcubes: played
18:03 lolcubes: but its improvised a little
18:03 lolcubes: so its on 1/3 ticks
18:03 lolcubes: right?
18:04 SuperMoutarde: You know better than I do ^^
18:05 lolcubes: its not really about knowing
18:05 lolcubes: its more about listening hehe
18:06 lolcubes: just when you do those fixes update so i check em again :p
18:06 lolcubes: still have to check other diffs too but i wanna get this one out of the way
18:06 SuperMoutarde: ok, i am doing the changes in all diff already, though ^ ^
18:13 SuperMoutarde: all done and updated!
18:20 lolcubes: in normal
18:20 lolcubes: 00:54:001 (7) - this finish here
18:20 lolcubes: sounds a bit odd
18:20 lolcubes: you have whistles on 00:54:001 (7,8) - in hard
18:20 lolcubes: do the same here?
18:21 SuperMoutarde: fixed
18:21 SuperMoutarde: i had a finish there in hard originally, forgot to change normal when i changed hard
18:21 lolcubes: hm
18:21 lolcubes: if possible
18:21 lolcubes: would you mind changing the logic of the objects in normal?
18:21 lolcubes: for example
18:21 lolcubes: 01:16:728 (1,2) -
18:21 lolcubes: i don't think this would work for a normal
18:22 SuperMoutarde: what would you suggest?
18:22 lolcubes: simply because the starting point is the heavy point
18:22 lolcubes: i would sugest a circle at the start
18:22 lolcubes: and a short slider for the 2 1/3 notes
18:22 lolcubes: for pretty much all occurences of such rhythms here
18:22 SuperMoutarde: ok
18:22 lolcubes: 01:18:240 (3) - this is ok
18:22 lolcubes: but those 2 circles are not
18:22 lolcubes: they are too hard
18:22 lolcubes: should be one small slider
18:22 SuperMoutarde: alright
18:23 lolcubes: 01:23:367 (1) - this feels off and really weird
18:23 lolcubes: rather map the downbeat at 01:22:928 -
18:23 lolcubes: and then a circle at 01:23:806 -
18:23 lolcubes: 01:26:306 (6,7) - this should also be a slider cause it wouldn't really be readable though, it probably would but best to avoid any confusion
18:24 lolcubes: it's a normal after all
18:24 lolcubes: 01:28:052 (3,4) - should have whistles too :p
18:24 lolcubes: but the slider 4 should have it on the start, not end
18:24 lolcubes: sounds a bit weird on end cause there are no notes before it
18:24 SuperMoutarde: hmm i m not a fan of changing the slider start on 01:22:928 i like it better as it is now :/
18:25 lolcubes: well
18:25 lolcubes: its certainly misplaced though
18:25 SuperMoutarde: why?
18:25 SuperMoutarde: it s same as in hard
18:25 SuperMoutarde: it follows music well imo
18:25 lolcubes: 01:23:367 (1) - ?
18:25 lolcubes: you have 4 circles here in hard
18:25 lolcubes: o_o
18:26 lolcubes: wait
18:26 lolcubes: uh
18:26 lolcubes: you have nothing here in normal
18:26 lolcubes: 01:22:928 -
18:26 lolcubes: on this tick
18:26 lolcubes: you have 4 circles on hard
18:26 SuperMoutarde: yeah definitely not like in hard, actually, my bad
18:26 SuperMoutarde: lol
18:26 lolcubes: 01:23:367 - this is a wrong place to start the slider because it creates a rhythm on this tick
18:26 lolcubes: which is nonexistant in the music hehe
18:26 SuperMoutarde: ok
18:26 lolcubes: should be either of the white ticks, preferrably downbeat or the 2nd small one
18:26 lolcubes: if you want to keep it its fine
18:27 lolcubes: just make sure it starts on 01:23:513 - then
18:27 lolcubes: as a "lead in" towards the next section
18:27 SuperMoutarde: but wait 01:23:367 is not nonexistant in the music
18:27 SuperMoutarde: or my ears are betraying me big time
18:27 lolcubes: dont delete the - at the end
18:28 lolcubes: i can't click the link then
18:28 lolcubes: :/
18:28 SuperMoutarde: 01:23:367
18:28 SuperMoutarde: still the same
18:28 lolcubes: not getting a link
18:28 SuperMoutarde: wtf
18:28 lolcubes: do you know how to get links?
18:28 SuperMoutarde: 01:23:367 (1) -
18:28 lolcubes: you press ctrl+c on the timeline
18:28 SuperMoutarde: here u go ^^
18:28 lolcubes: and just paste it into the chat
18:28 SuperMoutarde: y i know
18:28 lolcubes: yeah i know i understand what it's trying to follow
18:29 lolcubes: the thing it's trying to follow does indeed start with the slider, however it starts silent and comes into a crescendo until the end
18:29 lolcubes: problem is
18:29 lolcubes: slider start creates a rhythm
18:29 lolcubes: which is in between the main rhythm notes
18:29 lolcubes: and causes it to break
18:29 lolcubes: that's why it's so iffy
18:29 SuperMoutarde: i see
18:29 SuperMoutarde: but it sounds weird if i move the start to previous beat though
18:29 lolcubes: move it to 01:23:513 - :p
18:29 lolcubes: it sounds pretty good like this
18:30 SuperMoutarde: yeah that works
18:30 SuperMoutarde: done
18:31 lolcubes: 01:28:052 (3,4) - fixed whistles here?
18:31 SuperMoutarde: yep
18:32 lolcubes: 01:38:583 - you dont have any whistles here in hard, and i like that actually
18:32 lolcubes: these whistles in normal kinda break the consistency of hitsounding you used
18:32 lolcubes: i would suggest to remove them
18:32 lolcubes: 01:41:042 (1,2) - except for these two
18:32 lolcubes: these two are cool
18:33 lolcubes: might want to add them in hard too
18:33 SuperMoutarde: osu is going crazy i have to restart it
18:33 lolcubes: sure
18:33 SuperMoutarde: how can i keep the chat log?
18:33 lolcubes: /savelog
18:37 SuperMoutarde: alright, I changed the whistles in the end as you suggested in normal and hard
18:38 lolcubes: update please
18:38 lolcubes: sorry im kinda demanding hehe
18:38 SuperMoutarde: done
18:38 SuperMoutarde: oh wait
18:39 lolcubes: something broke
18:39 lolcubes: cant enter edit
18:39 lolcubes: lol
18:39 lolcubes: ill restart
18:39 SuperMoutarde: i didnt change the patterns that you said are too hard in normal yet
18:39 SuperMoutarde: i still have to change the patterns in normal for the doubles, actually, forgot to fix that
18:39 lolcubes: okay
18:45 lolcubes: in easy there is only one thing i think you should change
18:45 SuperMoutarde: you think i can keep 01:26:306 (5,6) as it is since it's 1/2?
18:45 SuperMoutarde: shit
18:45 SuperMoutarde: 01:26:306 (5,6) -
18:45 lolcubes: two actually
18:45 lolcubes: its better ot make them a slider too
18:45 SuperMoutarde: k
18:45 lolcubes: since they are a slider in hard
18:45 SuperMoutarde: ahah true ^^
18:45 lolcubes: awkward song choice, not much you can do about it heh
18:47 SuperMoutarde: hehe, not as awkward as my new map though, it has to challenging for it to be fun ^^
18:47 SuperMoutarde: what are the changes for Easy?
18:47 lolcubes: 01:20:294 (5) - new combo here
18:47 lolcubes: 01:28:196 (2) - and this note here
18:47 lolcubes: i am not sure about this one
18:47 lolcubes: the rhythm it creates is constant
18:47 lolcubes: while the music doesn't suggest that
18:47 lolcubes: moving it to 01:28:488 - does sound better but i dunno
18:48 lolcubes: i would recomment that at least
18:48 lolcubes: maybe even add something to 01:28:781 -
18:48 lolcubes: so its less confusing lol
18:48 lolcubes: http://puu.sh/22ZOt/4dd4eef324 like this
18:48 lolcubes: a short slider
18:49 SuperMoutarde: k
18:49 lolcubes: flows better too
18:49 SuperMoutarde: yeah i know what you mean, it was a bit weird
18:50 SuperMoutarde: ok, done
18:51 lolcubes: update again so i can check the whole thing
18:51 SuperMoutarde: done
18:54 lolcubes: actually
18:54 lolcubes: in normal
18:54 lolcubes: 01:26:306 (5) -
18:54 lolcubes: i would actually just suggest 1 circle at 01:26:453 -
18:54 lolcubes: that would make the map much more readable
18:54 lolcubes: and this note on the 1/2 tick isn't that important
18:55 lolcubes: because you couldn't follow the complete melody around this area
18:55 lolcubes: losing a note here wouldn't make a huge difference on how it sounds
18:55 lolcubes: but it would make a huge difference in how it plays
18:55 lolcubes: i.e. more simple
18:55 SuperMoutarde: okey
18:56 SuperMoutarde: woops, accidentally added whistle to a whole slider
18:56 lolcubes: 01:28:196 (4) - this one right?
18:56 lolcubes: was about to say hehe
18:57 SuperMoutarde: yeah this one ^^ just fixed it and reuploaded
18:59 lolcubes: right
18:59 lolcubes: lets rebubble this
18:59 lolcubes: ill forward this to a friend so he checks it and maybe ranks it
18:59 SuperMoutarde: Yay!
18:59 SuperMoutarde: thanks a lot!
Okay, so, we did the whole timing again from scratch in the kiai and it should be much more accurate now. The values above are now invalidated pretty much and new timing took place.
To summarize, we also changed a couple of things, we improved readability of objects in normal diff (by using short sliders for sudden notes rather than circles which are kinda hard), we fixed a combo in easy, we fixed snapping issues in hard diff (notes were landing on 1/4 ticks instead of 1/3) and we modified some hitsounds in all diffs pretty much. I suppose a full log isn't necessary because there is over 2 hours of conversation heh.
Rebubbled.
To summarize, we also changed a couple of things, we improved readability of objects in normal diff (by using short sliders for sudden notes rather than circles which are kinda hard), we fixed a combo in easy, we fixed snapping issues in hard diff (notes were landing on 1/4 ticks instead of 1/3) and we modified some hitsounds in all diffs pretty much. I suppose a full log isn't necessary because there is over 2 hours of conversation heh.
Rebubbled.
Topic Starter
Over 3 hours actually, I cannot thank you enough for thislolcubes wrote:
I suppose a full log isn't necessary because there is over 2 hours of conversation heh.
Posted the logs I had anyways[General]
Set the artist to 植松 伸夫 and leave the Romanised title as it is now
[Easy]
00:55:787 (2,3,4,5,6) - This pattern is a little clustery - especially with such huge hit circles. Think you could make it read a little better?
01:15:367 (3,1) - This spacing is way too close
[Hard]
01:15:367 (3) - This would make more sense with your pattern with 1 and 2 if you moved it to here
00:18:131 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Compare new combo use to 01:38:583 (1,2,3,1,1,1,1,1) - I recommend not combo spamming q:
Set the artist to 植松 伸夫 and leave the Romanised title as it is now
[Easy]
00:55:787 (2,3,4,5,6) - This pattern is a little clustery - especially with such huge hit circles. Think you could make it read a little better?
01:15:367 (3,1) - This spacing is way too close
[Hard]
01:15:367 (3) - This would make more sense with your pattern with 1 and 2 if you moved it to here
00:18:131 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Compare new combo use to 01:38:583 (1,2,3,1,1,1,1,1) - I recommend not combo spamming q:
I completely forgot to tell you how to make the vid play until the end.
http://puu.sh/23nJe/815e78b966
Use the above .osb in your map, it's a fake storyboard to force a Skip button at the end. Sorry about that.
http://puu.sh/23nJe/815e78b966
Use the above .osb in your map, it's a fake storyboard to force a Skip button at the end. Sorry about that.
Topic Starter
Thanks a lot! Uploaded new version with all changedGarven wrote:
[General]
Set the artist to 植松 伸夫 and leave the Romanised title as it is now
ok,should I add the romanised name of the artist in tags, then?
[Easy]
00:55:787 (2,3,4,5,6) - This pattern is a little clustery - especially with such huge hit circles. Think you could make it read a little better? fixed
01:15:367 (3,1) - This spacing is way too close fixed
[Hard]
01:15:367 (3) - This would make more sense with your pattern with 1 and 2 if you moved it to here
indeed! fixed
00:18:131 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Compare new combo use to 01:38:583 (1,2,3,1,1,1,1,1) - I recommend not combo spamming q:Did you play with video or without? There are fireworks at this moment, that's why I spam NC on this, I can change if I have to but I'd prefer to keep it this way if possiblechanged
edit: removed the NC
and
Added, thank you!lolcubes wrote:
I completely forgot to tell you how to make the vid play until the end.
http://puu.sh/23nJe/815e78b966
Use the above .osb in your map, it's a fake storyboard to force a Skip button at the end. Sorry about that.
"Its a moonwalk, its a moonwalk! Head spin~!"
Edit:
..damnit. I'll rank it tomorrow then.
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V There, better?
Edit:
..damnit. I'll rank it tomorrow then.
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V There, better?
so is this ranked? Cause its been in pending with heart for a while
Garven wrote:
"Its a moonwalk, its a moonwalk! Head spin~!"
Ranked but not ranked ;C
Lolicore Flandre wrote:
Ranked but not ranked ;C
....orz and gratz
Where is the ranked? u.u
Topic Starter
wooo yeah, thank you, I'm so happy right now! I'm not sure if I understand what the current status of the map means though, ahah
I'm not sure if I understand what the current status of the map means though, ahahCurrent status: Ranked q:
gratz \o3o/
I lol'd
Bravo!
Bravo!
Shohei Ohtani
oh Garven XD
Topic Starter
yay! thank you garven! And many thanks to everyone who helped mod the map and fix the damn timing!Garven wrote:
Current status: Ranked q:
/me is super happy
now its *officially* ranked ;I
noDeni wrote:
Congrats!
osu! needs more Final Fantasy
Congratulation for rank.
congrats
What a nostalgic song man, congratz :3
yesStefan wrote:
noDeni wrote:
Congrats!
osu! needs more Final Fantasy
Grats on rerank!
I'm lazy, but still amused.
congratz :3
oh uGarven wrote:
I'm lazy, but still amused.
Yay, congrats :3
Yes, osu! needs moar videogame songs c:Stefan wrote:
noDeni wrote:
Congrats!
osu! needs more Final Fantasy
Ranked Final Fantasy VIII map on osu?
Author, YOU ARE GOD
PLEASE MORE
I LOVE YOU
Author, YOU ARE GOD
PLEASE MORE
I LOVE YOU
Topic Starter
u never gave me credit from helping w/ pre-map & timinglelelele