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hi~ from my queue
m4m time!

[Hard]


  •  
  1. OD-1 is better. this song is many BPM changes so difficulty.
     
  2. 00:45:884 - add note. i can hear sound here.


     
  3. 00:22:581 (1) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  4. 00:23:652 (3) - ^
     
  5. 00:25:080 (2) - add whistle
     
  6. 00:26:152 (2) - ^
     
  7. 00:26:866 (1) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  8. 00:27:580 (3) - add whistle
     
  9. 00:27:938 (5) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  10. 00:29:366 (3,4) - add whistle
     
  11. 00:31:152 (1) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  12. 00:31:688 (2) - add whistle of repeat point.
     
  13. 00:32:223 (3) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  14. 00:33:652 (7) - add whistle of slider start.
     
  15. 00:34:545 (1,2,3) - add whistle of slider start.
     
  16. 00:40:080 (2) - ^
     
  17. 00:40:438 (3) - add whistle
     
  18. 00:41:509 (1) - ^
     
  19. 00:42:580 (2) - ^
     
  20. 00:43:652 (2) - ^
     
  21. 00:44:723 (2) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  22. 00:49:723 (4,6) - add whistle
     
  23. 00:50:438 (1) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  24. 00:50:973 (2) - add whistle of repeat point.
     
  25. 00:51:509 (3) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  26. 00:52:938 (7) - ^
     
  27. 00:55:438 (4) - add whistle
     
  28. 00:57:223 (3) - add whistle of slider start.
     
  29. 00:58:295 (6) - ^
     
  30. 00:58:652 (7) - add whistle
     
  31. 00:59:366 (2) - ^
     
  32. 00:59:723 (4) - add whistle of slider start.
     
  33. 01:00:795 (1) - ^
     
  34. 01:01:509 (3,4) - ^
     
  35. 01:02:938 (1) - add whistle
     
  36. 01:04:009 (4) - ^
     
  37. 01:05:080 (1) - ^
     
  38. 01:06:152 (4) - ^
     
  39. 01:27:357 (2,4) - ^
     
  40. 01:43:036 (1) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  41. 01:44:107 (3) - ^
     
  42. 01:45:536 (2) - ^
     
  43. 01:47:321 (1) - ^
     
  44. 01:48:036 (3) - add whistle
     
  45. 01:48:393 (5) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  46. 01:49:821 (3) - add whistle of slider start.
     
  47. 01:50:536 (5) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  48. 01:51:607 (2) - ^
     
  49. 01:52:321 (4) - add whistle
     
  50. 01:52:678 (6) - add whistle of slider end.
     
  51. 01:54:107 (3) - add whistle of slider start.
[Normal]


  •  
  1. Please refer to Mod of the hit sound that I wrote when Mod did Hard.
     
  2. 01:52:142 (3) - suggestion.
[Easy]


  •  
  1. 00:39:723 (1) - slider 4th point move to x:224 y:120
     
  2. 00:45:438 - add something?
     
  3. 01:19:421 (4) - not fit song. 2/1 slider is better.
That's all~
good luck ;)
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

Guy wrote:

hi~ from my queue
m4m time!

[Hard]


  •  
  1. OD-1 is better. this song is many BPM changes so difficulty.
     
  2. 00:45:884 - add note. i can hear sound here.


     
  3. [Hit sound]
    SPOILER
    1. 00:22:581 (1) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    2. 00:23:652 (3) - ^
       
    3. 00:25:080 (2) - add whistle
       
    4. 00:26:152 (2) - ^
       
    5. 00:26:866 (1) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    6. 00:27:580 (3) - add whistle
       
    7. 00:27:938 (5) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    8. 00:29:366 (3,4) - add whistle
       
    9. 00:31:152 (1) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    10. 00:31:688 (2) - add whistle of repeat point.
       
    11. 00:32:223 (3) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    12. 00:33:652 (7) - add whistle of slider start.
       
    13. 00:34:545 (1,2,3) - add whistle of slider start.
       
    14. 00:40:080 (2) - ^
       
    15. 00:40:438 (3) - add whistle
       
    16. 00:41:509 (1) - ^
       
    17. 00:42:580 (2) - ^
       
    18. 00:43:652 (2) - ^
       
    19. 00:44:723 (2) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    20. 00:49:723 (4,6) - add whistle
       
    21. 00:50:438 (1) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    22. 00:50:973 (2) - add whistle of repeat point.
       
    23. 00:51:509 (3) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    24. 00:52:938 (7) - ^
       
    25. 00:55:438 (4) - add whistle
       
    26. 00:57:223 (3) - add whistle of slider start.
       
    27. 00:58:295 (6) - ^
       
    28. 00:58:652 (7) - add whistle
       
    29. 00:59:366 (2) - ^
       
    30. 00:59:723 (4) - add whistle of slider start.
       
    31. 01:00:795 (1) - ^
       
    32. 01:01:509 (3,4) - ^
       
    33. 01:02:938 (1) - add whistle
       
    34. 01:04:009 (4) - ^
       
    35. 01:05:080 (1) - ^
       
    36. 01:06:152 (4) - ^
       
    37. 01:27:357 (2,4) - ^
       
    38. 01:43:036 (1) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    39. 01:44:107 (3) - ^
       
    40. 01:45:536 (2) - ^
       
    41. 01:47:321 (1) - ^
       
    42. 01:48:036 (3) - add whistle
       
    43. 01:48:393 (5) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    44. 01:49:821 (3) - add whistle of slider start.
       
    45. 01:50:536 (5) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    46. 01:51:607 (2) - ^
       
    47. 01:52:321 (4) - add whistle
       
    48. 01:52:678 (6) - add whistle of slider end.
       
    49. 01:54:107 (3) - add whistle of slider start.
[Normal]


  •  
  1. Please refer to Mod of the hit sound that I wrote when Mod did Hard.
     
  2. 01:52:142 (3) - suggestion.
[Easy]


  •  
  1. 00:39:723 (1) - slider 4th point move to x:224 y:120
     
  2. 00:45:438 - add something?
     
  3. 01:19:421 (4) - not fit song. 2/1 slider is better.
That's all~
good luck ;)
It sounds so much better like this. Changed all as suggested except:
[Easy]
00:45:438 - add something?
and
[Hard]
01:27:357 (2,4) - ^
Thank you very much, very helpful mod :)
piicrosi
Tu m'as tellement aidé pour ma map que j'aimerais vraiment faire de même mais bon.. Je peux pas. xD Mais GG, ta map est très belle!

Sinon je peux te dire en normal si tu veux de rajouter un clap a 00:35:438 (1) , à la fin du slider, aussi à 00:37:580 (5), toujours à la fin, ainsi qu'à 00:45:438 (4) sur tout le slider.
Met en un aussi à 01:07:938 (2) à la fin et à 01:10:080 (2) - (Si tu trouves ça beau fait en easy et normal ^^)

Et en général baisse le son des 3 derniers objets à 1:53:570 pour la musique :P Bon ça sert à rien mais bon..

En easy enlève 01:10:080 (2) - et met un slider à 00:57:759 qui dure 2/4 à la place avec un whistle si tu le sens bien :

Et à 01:06:955 pourquoi pas faire ça ? :

Et écarte un peu 01:12:940 (1,2,3) vu que c'est du hard :3 Pour finir fait un peu monter 01:23:244 (2) :P

Voilàà c'est pas très utile mais bon ! xD N'hésites pas n'ajouter des claps à certains endroit comme je te l'ai dis, ça peut être qu'encore mieux ^^
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

piicrosi wrote:

Tu m'as tellement aidé pour ma map que j'aimerais vraiment faire de même mais bon.. Je peux pas. xD Mais GG, ta map est très belle!
Merci! :)

Sinon je peux te dire en normal si tu veux de rajouter un clap a 00:35:438 (1) , à la fin du slider, aussi à 00:37:580 (5), toujours à la fin, ainsi qu'à 00:45:438 (4) sur tout le slider.
Met en un aussi à 01:07:938 (2) à la fin et à 01:10:080 (2) - (Si tu trouves ça beau fait en easy et normal ^^)

Pour les hitsounds, t'es tombé à 5 minutes près avant que j'update en changeant énormément les hitsounds :/ Je trouve que les claps sonnent pas bien avec la musique, c'est pour ça que j'en ai pas mis, mais j'ai rajouté plus de whistle.


Et en général baisse le son des 3 derniers objets à 1:53:570 pour la musique :P Bon ça sert à rien mais bon.. bonne idée, je change

En easy enlève 01:10:080 (2) - et met un slider à 00:57:759 qui dure 2/4 à la place avec un whistle si tu le sens bien :

hmm ça suivrait mieux la musique je suis d'accod mais en Easy je préfère pas trop les brusquer, et avec les whistle ajoutés ça sonne bien comme c'est là je trouve pas ça choquant

Et à 01:06:955 pourquoi pas faire ça ? :

T'as raison il manque plein de notes là, en fait, j'ai changé, pour un stream 1/2

Et écarte un peu 01:12:940 (1,2,3) vu que c'est du hard :3 yep bonne idée, changé

Pour finir fait un peu monter 01:23:244 (2) :P non je trouve ça bien comme c'est

Voilàà c'est pas très utile mais bon ! xD N'hésites pas n'ajouter des claps à certains endroit comme je te l'ai dis, ça peut être qu'encore mieux ^^
Merci du mod, et merci encore pour les combo burst! :)
DakeDekaane
Hi, mod time from #modreqs /o/

[General]
Your hitbursts are too traslucent, it would be better if they were solid and opaque.
Add "Square Enix" to tags.
Edit: Remove "final fantasy VIII" from tags as you have it as the source.

[Easy]
00:42:938 (3,1,2) - This could look better, curves always are nice, try this.

00:42:938 (3) - x:104 y:308
00:43:295 (1) - x:172 y:332
00:43:652 (2) - x:240 y:312
00:47:580 (3,4) - I suggest something like this, looks nice, if you do, remember fix the placement of the objects after this.
00:50:438 - 00:57:938 - The same circular flow can be a bit boring, try changing the direction of the flow here.

[Normal]
00:20:106 (4) - 1 grid to the left (level 4) to be stacked with 00:18:138 (1)
00:39:723 - Try one of these rhythm, the one you have can be a bit difficult.


01:11:866 -


:!: 01:31:012 - Must delete the uninherited point here.

[Hard]
Yay, all fun with those streams.
:!: Decrease the AR to 7, following the pace of the song.
00:18:138 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - It would be better if the flow were a bit curved.
00:45:438 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Let's improve a bit this along with the stream, make something similar to this.
01:18:245 (1,2,3,4) - The spacing here should be less, it's a bit hard hit a stream like this, but it's up to you.
01:21:774 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:25:301 (1,2,3,4) - ^
:!: 01:30:852 (1,2,1,2) - The timing here is messed up (also the song itself), I highly recommend replace them with a spinner from 01:30:852 until 01:32:571.

Well, that's all from my part, good luck /o/
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

DakeDekaane wrote:

Hi, mod time from #modreqs /o/

[General]
Your hitbursts are too traslucent, it would be better if they were solid and opaque.
hmm I like them, though. Will change if more people mention it as an issue

Add "Square Enix" to tags. done
Edit: Remove "final fantasy VIII" from tags as you have it as the source. done

[Easy]
00:42:938 (3,1,2) - This could look better, curves always are nice, try this.

00:42:938 (3) - x:104 y:308
00:43:295 (1) - x:172 y:332
00:43:652 (2) - x:240 y:312
thanks, i does look better ^^ changed

00:47:580 (3,4) - I suggest something like this, looks nice, if you do, remember fix the placement of the objects after this.
changed

00:50:438 - 00:57:938 - The same circular flow can be a bit boring, try changing the direction of the flow here.
true, i did something new

[Normal]
00:20:106 (4) - 1 grid to the left (level 4) to be stacked with 00:18:138 (1)
fixed

00:39:723 - Try one of these rhythm, the one you have can be a bit difficult.


changed for the first one

01:11:866 -


changed for the first one too

:!: 01:31:012 - Must delete the uninherited point here.
no, there is bpm change here

[Hard]
Yay, all fun with those streams.
:!: Decrease the AR to 7, following the pace of the song.
I had this before, I think 8 is fine

00:18:138 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - It would be better if the flow were a bit curved.
Did something better, I think

00:45:438 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - Let's improve a bit this along with the stream, make something similar to this.
changed

01:18:245 (1,2,3,4) - The spacing here should be less, it's a bit hard hit a stream like this, but it's up to you.
01:21:774 (1,2,3,4) - ^
01:25:301 (1,2,3,4) - ^
yeah this is on purpose, it was easier before I think it's more fun now, and more dynamic

:!: 01:30:852 (1,2,1,2) - The timing here is messed up (also the song itself), I highly recommend replace them with a spinner from 01:30:852 until 01:32:571.
It is indeed, I've been considering this, or a small break because it's the fireworks time in the video so hiding it with a spinner would be a shame. Still, now this part is decently mapped so I'm keeping it for now

Well, that's all from my part, good luck /o/
Thanks a lot for the good advice :)
Faust
Here for a recheck.

Anyway, I find that you missed a timing section of 204 BPM at 77,216.
Please remember to do this for all difficulties.

Due to this, you might have to make certain changes etc.

Easy:

- 01:29:179 - Unsnapped inherited timing point.

Normal:

- 01:20:598 (2) - Doesn't seem to be snapping to anything. Resnap this.

- 01:27:061 - Unsnapped inherited timing section.

Hard:

- 01:30:998 (2) - Unsnapped slider. As a compromise, end it on the blue tick perhaps.

- 01:45:536 (2) - & - 01:48:036 (3) - Unsnapped notes.

- 01:50:536 (5) - Unsnapped slider as well.

Almost too many, in fact.
TMAstraf
Easy
01:07:580 Maybe Spinner should end here
01:12:940 A little bit more distance to sliders

Normal:
01:20:598 Make Slider a little pixel shorter

Hard:
01:32:571 - 01:33:506 maybe remove all new combos

BTW: AWESOME Map! =D

That's All! =)
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

Faust wrote:

Here for a recheck.

Anyway, I find that you missed a timing section of 204 BPM at 77,216.
Please remember to do this for all difficulties.

Due to this, you might have to make certain changes etc.

Easy:

- 01:29:179 - Unsnapped inherited timing point.

Normal:

- 01:20:598 (2) - Doesn't seem to be snapping to anything. Resnap this.

- 01:27:061 - Unsnapped inherited timing section.

Hard:

- 01:30:998 (2) - Unsnapped slider. As a compromise, end it on the blue tick perhaps.

- 01:45:536 (2) - & - 01:48:036 (3) - Unsnapped notes.

- 01:50:536 (5) - Unsnapped slider as well.

Almost too many, in fact.

All fixed. New vers uploaded. Thanks again!


TMAstraf wrote:

Easy
01:07:580 Maybe Spinner should end here hmm no I like how it is now
01:12:940 A little bit more distance to sliders Why? You think too hard? It's 1,2 DS as the rest of the map

Normal:
01:20:598 Make Slider a little pixel shorter yup fixed

Hard:
01:32:571 - 01:33:506 maybe remove all new combos No, it's meant to announce the fireworks, will change if more people say it's bad

BTW: AWESOME Map! =D Thanks! :) I'm glad you like it! And thanks for modding too ^^

That's All! =)
grumd
Timing and note placement is pretty nice now, got this fine result with my first try :3
Upd: SS on my second try :D

A bit of modding, since I'm here.

Hard
  1. 00:18:138 (1,2,3) - Since there was no music earlier, it's hard to predict the rhythm and bpm here. My suggestion is to replace these by a repeating slider, this will show the rhythm at once.
  2. 00:37:223 (7) - Remove new combo here and add it to 00:37:759 (1) - , right as you did before at 00:34:545 (1) -
  3. Also talked via irc about removing last section (to make the ending more natural) and reshaping some parts of the map to make it look prettier.
Normal
  1. 01:29:079 (5) - Add a whistle, this part lacks of hitsounds.
  2. 01:34:646 (1) - Place whistle at the start, remove it from end. The whistle sound in the music starts there.
  3. 01:36:613 - Add a whistle here.
  4. 01:37:268 - Remove it from here (just same as above)
  5. 01:38:580 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - And add whistles at the heads of all these sliders.
  6. Don't forget that you should remove ending section in every diff btw.
Easy
  1. 01:16:733 (1) - This circle should be placed a bit farther to not confuse people. Now this spacing looks too similar to 1-2-3 before. My suggestion: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/586871
  2. 01:18:539 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - This part looks too monotonous. Replace one or two of these sliders by a pair of circles.
  3. 01:43:035 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Here too pls. Oh wait, you was going to remove this last section anyway xD
Oh, and AIBat stuff:
  1. Inconsistent kiai time, preview time, red timing sections.
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

grumd wrote:

Timing and note placement is pretty nice now, got this fine result with my first try :3
Upd: SS on my second try :D
SS on second try, gg I can't get one because of my bad play at streams xD and good news for timing

A bit of modding, since I'm here. Thanks!

Hard
  1. 00:18:138 (1,2,3) - Since there was no music earlier, it's hard to predict the rhythm and bpm here. My suggestion is to replace these by a repeating slider, this will show the rhythm at once. changed
  2. 00:37:223 (7) - Remove new combo here and add it to 00:37:759 (1) - , right as you did before at 00:34:545 (1) - ^
  3. Also talked via irc about removing last section (to make the ending more natural) and reshaping some parts of the map to make it look prettier. Yep, reshaped all those short streams as you suggested
Normal
  1. 01:29:079 (5) - Add a whistle, this part lacks of hitsounds. added, as well as a couple more in this part
  2. 01:34:646 (1) - Place whistle at the start, remove it from end. The whistle sound in the music starts there. done
  3. 01:36:613 - Add a whistle here.^
  4. 01:37:268 - Remove it from here (just same as above)^
  5. 01:38:580 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - And add whistles at the heads of all these sliders.^
  6. Don't forget that you should remove ending section in every diff btw.yep, done, it's obviously better this way
Easy
  1. 01:16:733 (1) - This circle should be placed a bit farther to not confuse people. Now this spacing looks too similar to 1-2-3 before. My suggestion: http://osu.ppy.sh/ss/586871 fixed
  2. 01:18:539 (3,4,1,2,3,4) - This part looks too monotonous. Replace one or two of these sliders by a pair of circles. done
  3. 01:43:035 (1,2,3,4,1,2) - Here too pls. Oh wait, you was going to remove this last section anyway xD ^^
Oh, and AIBat stuff:

  1. fixed

  2. fixed
  3. Inconsistent kiai time, preview time, red timing sections.
    all fixed
Thanks a lot! Changed all :) gj for SS on 2nd shot, not like I'm jealous I can do it too (in normal diff xD)
Ranger
sorry for a late
very poor modding
because i can`t find anything :(

[Hard]
00:44:009 (4) - add finish here?
01:07:580 (6) - ^

this map is clear enough
good job :D
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

[Ranger] wrote:

sorry for a late
very poor modding
because i can`t find anything :(

[Hard]
00:44:009 (4) - add finish here? hmm not really a note for finish imo
01:07:580 (6) - ^ added

this map is clear enough
good job :D
Thank you! :)
Cancel

SuperMoutarde wrote:

Cancel wrote:

Sorry, but i don't want to mod this song :/
np, but why even bother posting here, then? meh, whatever
I think it is kinda rude just to leave your request without even noting that I won't mod it.
R e d
hi SuperMoutarde!

the map is great! :D i like it.

i dont like much the background, but ho well..
about the game play.. all diffs looks great!!!
but i think miss something!!

This is a classical song, so you need more hitsounds volume changes! This will help to get more into de song, and helps get more accuracy too!
my suggestions for hitsounds volume:

00:18:794 - Add Inheriting section hitsounds volume 20%
00:18:958 - Remove Inheriting section
00:19:122 - Add Inheriting section hitsounds volume 25%
00:19:450 - Add Inheriting section hitsounds volume 30%
00:19:778 - Add Inheriting section hitsounds volume 35%
00:20:434 - Remove Inheriting section
00:21:089 - volume 30%
00:21:417 - in 3/4 timming point volume 20%
00:22:581 - 25% volome
00:45:438 - volume 40%


well,i wont do this for all map lol, but i hope you understand what im talking about. Its a small way you can improve your map.
If you do, do that for all diffs try be consistent.

Good luck :3
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

R e d wrote:

hi SuperMoutarde!

the map is great! :D i like it.

i dont like much the background, but ho well..
about the game play.. all diffs looks great!!!
but i think miss something!!

This is a classical song, so you need more hitsounds volume changes! This will help to get more into de song, and helps get more accuracy too!
my suggestions for hitsounds volume:

00:18:794 - Add Inheriting section hitsounds volume 20%
00:18:958 - Remove Inheriting section
00:19:122 - Add Inheriting section hitsounds volume 25%
00:19:450 - Add Inheriting section hitsounds volume 30%
00:19:778 - Add Inheriting section hitsounds volume 35%
00:20:434 - Remove Inheriting section
00:21:089 - volume 30%
00:21:417 - in 3/4 timming point volume 20%
00:22:581 - 25% volome
00:45:438 - volume 40%


well,i wont do this for all map lol, but i hope you understand what im talking about. Its a small way you can improve your map.
If you do, do that for all diffs try be consistent.

Good luck :3
I changed a bit the volume during the intro based on your suggestions, the rest seems fine to me.

Thanks for modding! As for the background well you're supposed to play this with video ^^
Sure
[General]
  1. Since you used custom hitcircle skin, so you should add a line "SliderBorder : 255,255,255" in bottom of [Colours] section to prevent skin blending.
  2. Border of the hitcircle.png looks messy. Would you make it tidy?
  3. Seems the video has wrong aspect ratio. It should be 4:3. Yeah, they look squashed. Moreover it has audio stream, which should be removed to reduce osz size.
  4. Comboburst has unnecessary area transparented. And it should be flipped by horizontally due to her line of sight.

  5. Offsets : I'm fine with current timings except some of them below.
    01:17:363 - Move this offset to 01:17:657 to count measures correctly.
    01:31:876 - Remove unnecessary offset : The music sounds really weird in this part, but I don't this part as a BPM change.
    01:32:321 - ^
    01:41:859 - Remove unnecessary offset : Since you didn't map after this time, so the last offset affects nothing. Btw BPM is wrong.
    :p

[Hard]
00:18:139 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - (Nazi) Move them right by a grid to be on center.
00:35:795 (2,4) - This sort of hitsounding pattern was over at previous part. They doesn't fit music, remove those wistles.
00:37:938 (2,4) - ^
00:38:652 (5) - Maybe add a repeat? http://puu.sh/1UNeF
00:47:223 (2) - Remove whistle.(Read mod below)
00:47:580 (3,4,5) - These beats have higher tone than 00:47:223 (2), I think you'd better add whistles to these three notes to emphasize them.
00:49:366 (3,4,5,6) - ^
01:08:652 (1,2) - ^
01:11:509 (3) - Sampleset : Normal / Additions : Soft http://puu.sh/1UNsP
01:11:866 (5) - ^ to head only
01:12:940 (1) - Remove whistle from head. You didn't add whistle in other diffs.


[Normal]
00:35:438 (1) - Remove whistle from tail
00:36:152 (2) - Remove whistle from head
00:37:581 (5,6) - Remove whistle from tail / head
00:42:581 (2) - Hmm.. I've never seen this kind of stacking in this part before. Unstack please.
00:47:581 (4) - Add whistles to head and repeat arrow.
00:49:723 (4) - ^
00:54:723 (2) - Add NC to here, not to previous note.
01:11:152 (4) - (Tail) Sampleset : Normal / Additions : Soft. And add whistle.
01:11:866 (5) - (Head) ^. And add whistle.


[Easy]
  1. OD 2 : 2-4-6(E-N-H) would make more sense in diff spread imo.
00:47:580 (3,5) - Add whistles. Make sure don't add whistle to sliderslide.
01:09:723 (2) - (Tail) Sampleset : Normal / Additions : Soft.
01:11:866 (3) - Sampleset : Normal / Additions : Soft. And add whistle.
Shulin
Hey, not gonna make a full mod post right now but I just played this briefly and the mp3 quality is very bad. It's a direct rip from the video right? I can hear the sound effects and everything.

I'd recommend using the CD version without the sound effects and try to find a better quality mp3. If you decide to change then let me know if you're having difficulties finding a new one and I'll help. ^_^
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

Shulin wrote:

Hey, not gonna make a full mod post right now but I just played this briefly and the mp3 quality is very bad. It's a direct rip from the video right? I can hear the sound effects and everything.

I'd recommend using the CD version without the sound effects and try to find a better quality mp3. If you decide to change then let me know if you're having difficulties finding a new one and I'll help. ^_^
I assume you've been playing without the video? It's entirely on purpose that there are the sound effects. I do have an "album" version but I think it would be really a shame to not have the sound effects (fireworks at the end, intro before actual music starts, etc). That's why I had to get it directly form the video. I've been trying to find precisely this audio track (with the sound effects) in good quality but I couldn't find one. If it's the only solution, I can use a cut version of the "album" version without sound effects, but that would not be ideal :(


@yk thanks a lot, I'll post reply when all is fixed
Shulin

SuperMoutarde wrote:

I assume you've been playing without the video? It's entirely on purpose that there are the sound effects. I do have an "album" version but I think it would be really a shame to not have the sound effects (fireworks at the end, intro before actual music starts, etc). That's why I had to get it directly form the video. I've been trying to find precisely this audio track (with the sound effects) in good quality but I couldn't find one. If it's the only solution, I can use a cut version of the "album" version without sound effects, but that would not be ideal :(
Actually I was playing with the video, my concern is more about the quality not the sound effects (but if someone does play no video or downloads only the no vid version then it may be strange for them, that's why I think it's always best to use clean versions). Like you I only have the album version in HQ and you'd have to cut it to make it fit but if you can find a good quality mp3 with the sound effects then that would be ideal. I've looked but I can't find one atm, maybe someone else can help with this? =P
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

ykcarrot wrote:

[General]
  1. Since you used custom hitcircle skin, so you should add a line "SliderBorder : 255,255,255" in bottom of [Colours] section to prevent skin blending.
    done

  2. Border of the hitcircle.png looks messy. Would you make it tidy?

    done, I had not realized this at all, I am not very experienced with these softwares :(

  3. Seems the video has wrong aspect ratio. It should be 4:3. Yeah, they look squashed. Moreover it has audio stream, which should be removed to reduce osz size.This I didn't fix yet, I need to find out how to change
  4. Comboburst has unnecessary area transparented. And it should be flipped by horizontally due to her line of sight.
    fixed I guess, I used your image? I understand the flipping it's much better like this but I'm not sure about the transparency if you can explain more precisely plz i am a bit noob with this
  5. Offsets : I'm fine with current timings except some of them below. all fixed
    SPOILER
    01:17:363 - Move this offset to 01:17:657 to count measures correctly.
    01:31:876 - Remove unnecessary offset : The music sounds really weird in this part, but I don't this part as a BPM change.
    01:32:321 - ^
    01:41:859 - Remove unnecessary offset : Since you didn't map after this time, so the last offset affects nothing. Btw BPM is wrong.
    :p


    [Hard]
    SPOILER
    00:18:139 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - (Nazi) Move them right by a grid to be on center.
    00:35:795 (2,4) - This sort of hitsounding pattern was over at previous part. They doesn't fit music, remove those wistles.
    00:37:938 (2,4) - ^
    00:38:652 (5) - Maybe add a repeat? http://puu.sh/1UNeF
    00:47:223 (2) - Remove whistle.(Read mod below)
    00:47:580 (3,4,5) - These beats have higher tone than 00:47:223 (2), I think you'd better add whistles to these three notes to emphasize them.
    00:49:366 (3,4,5,6) - ^
    01:08:652 (1,2) - ^
    01:11:509 (3) - Sampleset : Normal / Additions : Soft http://puu.sh/1UNsP
    01:11:866 (5) - ^ to head only
    01:12:940 (1) - Remove whistle from head. You didn't add whistle in other diffs.
    all changed


    [Normal]
    SPOILER
    00:35:438 (1) - Remove whistle from tail
    00:36:152 (2) - Remove whistle from head
    00:37:581 (5,6) - Remove whistle from tail / head
    00:42:581 (2) - Hmm.. I've never seen this kind of stacking in this part before. Unstack please.
    00:47:581 (4) - Add whistles to head and repeat arrow.
    00:49:723 (4) - ^
    00:54:723 (2) - Add NC to here, not to previous note.
    01:11:152 (4) - (Tail) Sampleset : Normal / Additions : Soft. And add whistle.
    01:11:866 (5) - (Head) ^. And add whistle.
    all changed

    [Easy]
    SPOILER
    1. OD 2 : 2-4-6(E-N-H) would make more sense in diff spread imo.
    00:47:580 (3,5) - Add whistles. Make sure don't add whistle to sliderslide.
    01:09:723 (2) - (Tail) Sampleset : Normal / Additions : Soft.
    01:11:866 (3) - Sampleset : Normal / Additions : Soft. And add whistle.
    all changed
Thanks a lot!! I still need to fix the video's aspect ratio, and I'm not entirely sure about the combo burst transparency, the rest is fixed
Sure
About the comboburst, if you have photoshop, you could use trim option to cut extra transpaent area off automatically.
The old one had about 40 pixels height transparent area above her head.
And the video, if you give me the original source, I can fix it for you.
By the way, I don't care if you change the mp3 or not. It's not too bad to me. Anyway changing mp3 is painful in this case.
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde
Uploaded new version using video file fixed by yk! thank you!!!
Sure
Just little things


[Hard]
00:30:795 (7) - Remove finish, there is nothing very emphasized in the music.
01:32:571 (1,1,1,1) - Ahaa, seems just NC spamming. There are not fireworks at this time. :3


[Normal]
00:45:438 (4) - Add whistles to every point


[Easy]
00:29:009 (3) - Remove finish from tail, there is nothing very emphasized in the music.
01:34:646 (1,2) - Since those two slider are mirrored, I think you'd better rearrange them to be symmetry.


No kds.
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

ykcarrot wrote:

Just little things


[Hard]
00:30:795 (7) - Remove finish, there is nothing very emphasized in the music. done
01:32:571 (1,1,1,1) - Ahaa, seems just NC spamming. There is not firework :3 ahah ok firework didn't begin yet here xD, done


[Normal]
00:45:438 (4) - Add whistles to every point done


[Easy]
00:29:009 (3) - Remove finish from tail, there is nothing very emphasized in the music. done
01:34:646 (1,2) - Since those two slider are mirrored, I think you'd better rearrange them to be symmetry. done. I copy pasted first one, then flip vertically and inverse selection (on the pasted one), is that ok or did you mean the shape is bad?


No kds.
Thanks again, new version uploaded
Sure

SuperMoutarde wrote:

ykcarrot wrote:

[Easy]
01:34:646 (1,2) - Since those two slider are mirrored, I think you'd better rearrange them to be symmetry. done. I copy pasted first one, then flip vertically and inverse selection (on the pasted one), is that ok or did you mean the shape is bad?
I mean, they are not in the center of the screen. orz
Here you are.


120,192,94646,6,0,P|192:304|256:112|320:304|392:192,1,299.999999999999,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0
392,120,96613,2,0,P|320:8|256:200|192:8|120:120,1,299.999999999999,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde
oh ok. Well, changed and uploaded! ty ^^
Sure
Since you're an inexperienced mapper, so I hope a BAT accommodate with your stuff.
Anyway bubbled. Good luck then ;)
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde
Yay, bubble! thank you! 8-)
Datzuke-Oni
i like this beatmap
Aurele
Oh bravo! Bubbled par ykcarrot en plus! :D
Faust
Making mistakes while attempting timing on this has been so frequent for me I think it's a curse by now.
I go back to my earlier post here and find out I provided a 51.252 BPM which is pretty off, and at this point I can't tell if that's just my typo or really the timing I settled with and gave you at that particular moment of time.
Thankfully, it doesn't implicate the map a lot.

51.53 BPM at 21,417.

Ensures the timing section at - 00:22:581 (1) - is snapped.

Why did you delete the rest of the map after - 01:41:859 - though ?
I thought it had some pretty great stuff.

Please don't give kudosu for this post.
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

Faust wrote:

Making mistakes while attempting timing on this has been so frequent for me I think it's a curse by now.
I go back to my earlier post here and find out I provided a 51.252 BPM which is pretty off, and at this point I can't tell if that's just my typo or really the timing I settled with and gave you at that particular moment of time.
Thankfully, it doesn't implicate the map a lot.

51.53 BPM at 21,417.

Ensures the timing section at - 00:22:581 (1) - is snapped.

Why did you delete the rest of the map after - 01:41:859 - though ?
I thought it had some pretty great stuff.

Please don't give kudosu for this post.
Hey, thanks for coming and recheck :)

I deleted the end of the map to make it end more naturally. I believe it was grumd's advice but other mods had mentionned this too, because it ended very abruptly before, just when a new "verse" had started. It makes the map even shorter, but I think it's more smooth this way

I fixed the bpm on the section at 21,417. there s no note on it so as you said not a big issue, but now next timing section is snapped on this. You probably wanted to type 51.52 in your original message ^^ Thanks again!
Faust
And here we go.
grumd

SuperMoutarde wrote:

I believe it was grumd's advice
It was actually something like:
grumd: uh, the map ends so abruptly...
SuperMoutarde: some modders adviced to remove last part completely
grumd: oh yeah, that could work!
lolcubes
Was asked to recheck timing, and so I did. I feel that the ending is a little to early, everything else is pretty much spot on.

Faust wrote:

51.53 BPM at 21,417.
This is wrong. There is no music to suggest any timing here. Having a timing section to "snap" the next one is just wrong. This timing section should be removed in my opinion. There is nothing wrong to leave the old timing here and BPM manipulation without solid evidence (such as beats) is not really allowed. :|
01:11:866 - I like this much better as 167 and then having everything shifted by +3ms. Works better if you ask me.
01:16:186 - This one shouldn't exist either. There is no musical basis that this is 109 bpm.
01:22:954 - This works better if you put 205 bpm here...
01:23:835 - ...and put 204 bpm here and move it to 01:23:832.
01:29:082 - I am getting 202 bpm here.
01:30:864 - I am getting 208 bpm here.
01:31:729 - I am getting 203 bpm here.
01:32:574 - This one is a bit early. I tried moving it to 01:32:585 with 195 bpm and it works better.
01:33:509 - This also shouldn't exist cause there is no music at all. Instead there should be a green line cancelling the kiai. (with my timing above this becomes 01:33:508)
01:34:646 - I am getting offset 01:34:657 here.

Basically the timing is more or less okay it's just that I believe it's slightly early at the end. Timing sections not mentioned above are fine (though after 01:11:866 the whole map needs +3ms, which means the other not-mentioned red sections as well, before you start changing to the values I described above.)

About those red lines which "snap" others, the removal of downbeats is kinda irrelevant here cause there are no notes anyway. Every new section has it's own red line with a downbeat already so all is fine when taiko is concerned.
Also since this is an arranged piece, I highly doubt there are BPMs which go into the 2nd or 3rd decimal value, and even the first decimal value can be debated hehe.

I am much more comfortable with these small changes I made to your timing, which were tested afterwards on OD9 and worked much better.

I will not pop this map just yet, I still want to have a word with Faust about the timing because he is also a very experienced timer, however there are always doubts, nobody is perfect. Chances are I am wrong too haha.
:)
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde
I changed as you indicated and uploaded a new version, thanks a lot!
lolcubes
Just wait with the ranking process a little bit. Timing is a touchy subject and should be carefully debated.

edit: I have requested a timing help from a more experienced timer than myself and let's see what happens.
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde
Of course, but is it normal that the status of the map is "waiting for creator's response" ?

edit: nvm, I just realized this is automatic, and just changed as I posted a reply xD
Faust
Uh.

Waiting on the results to come in. Also, I don't really have time to discuss things with lolcubes until 2 days later so anything for that will have to wait.
lolcubes

Faust wrote:

Uh.

Waiting on the results to come in. Also, I don't really have time to discuss things with lolcubes until 2 days later so anything for that will have to wait.
I asked Lybydose for help. Let's see if he can say something about all of this when he has time.
ump45fma
Fast rank this!
lolcubes
It's been a week (actually 10 days) so recheck time. Sadly Lybydose couldn't check this but eh, I rechecked it now anyway.

Timing:
01:23:832 - Remove this red section, 204 bpm is too slow here and 205 seems to work best.
01:27:344 - Move everything from here onwards (including this) by -16, except for 01:34:657 and others (includes green lines too)
After you do all this, select everything and apply -8 offset to absolutely everything. Be careful how you resnap, the offset seems late to me.

This should be it. I can rebubble afterwards as the set looks nice. Sorry for the trouble and that you had to wait for so long, I was very tired when I checked the timing the first time and didn't spend so much on it, with those fixes it should be flawless.
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

lolcubes wrote:

It's been a week (actually 10 days) so recheck time. Sadly Lybydose couldn't check this but eh, I rechecked it now anyway.

Timing:
01:23:832 - Remove this red section, 204 bpm is too slow here and 205 seems to work best.
01:27:344 - Move everything from here onwards (including this) by -16, except for 01:34:657 and others (includes green lines too)
After you do all this, select everything and apply -8 offset to absolutely everything. Be careful how you resnap, the offset seems late to me.

This should be it. I can rebubble afterwards as the set looks nice. Sorry for the trouble and that you had to wait for so long, I was very tired when I checked the timing the first time and didn't spend so much on it, with those fixes it should be flawless.
Changed and new version uploaded! Thanks a lot for taking some more time to recheck :)

edit: additional modding through IRC. I didn't save it entirely but here is most of it

SPOILER
15:52 SuperMoutarde: if you listen to 25% with metronome clic
15:52 SuperMoutarde: it doesnt work
15:52 lolcubes: its good enough
15:52 SuperMoutarde: ok
15:52 lolcubes: that spot isn't mapped
15:52 lolcubes: so approximation is fine
15:52 SuperMoutarde: indeed
15:52 lolcubes: i am still trying to figure out these doubles
15:52 lolcubes: it's like
15:52 lolcubes: there is no sudden sound
15:53 lolcubes: so it affects everything between 1/4 and 1/3 ticks
15:53 lolcubes: and if the timing is off even by a very little bit
15:53 lolcubes: its easy to make a mistake
15:53 SuperMoutarde: yup
15:53 SuperMoutarde: bpm changes and 1/3 notes already make it pretty easy to fail for me anyway xD
15:53 lolcubes: well i could SS it before but my mistimed hits rose from 2% to 15% in the kiai
15:53 lolcubes: and ended up with ~10% xD
15:54 SuperMoutarde: yeah but it's hard to say how much of is due to this part being harder, and how much is due to mistiming
15:54 lolcubes: also the horn is indeed early at 01:17:022 -
15:54 lolcubes: and thats because its at 01:16:948 - hehe
15:54 lolcubes: if you check the other ticks in this whole section
15:54 lolcubes: its intentionally early
15:55 SuperMoutarde: oh yeah you're righ it s on blue tick
15:55 lolcubes: but yeah
15:55 lolcubes: if you listen to the rhythm closely
15:55 lolcubes: this may not be 204 after all
15:56 lolcubes: and the upcoming 204 is wrong
15:56 lolcubes: it does fit the melody
15:56 lolcubes: but it doesn't match the rhythm background
15:56 SuperMoutarde: this is so weird
15:57 lolcubes: 01:16:728 - try 195 bpm here
15:57 SuperMoutarde: the strangest thing happenned to me when playing FF8 on emulator, btw : the emulator crashed during this scene at the exact moment of the 204 BPM change, and the song kept playing over and over but with the 204 bpm being slowed to 168
15:57 lolcubes: and remove the upcoming 204
15:57 lolcubes: heh
15:57 lolcubes: you can directly rip the vid from the pc version though
15:57 lolcubes: its in rad video format
15:58 lolcubes: xd
15:58 SuperMoutarde: I didn't know about the PC version until you told me about it today xD
15:59 lolcubes: ill brb
16:01 SuperMoutarde: ok, i pu 195
16:01 SuperMoutarde: put
16:05 lolcubes: 01:22:946 (1,2,3) - why no whistles? :D
16:11 lolcubes: think i got this timing right now
16:11 lolcubes: im getting below 10% mistimed now
16:11 SuperMoutarde: yay, with what you told me, or did you make more changes?
16:11 lolcubes: more changes
16:11 lolcubes: very simple ones :P
16:11 SuperMoutarde: :)
16:12 SuperMoutarde: do I have the right to kudos you again since it's been a week since last time you helped?
16:12 lolcubes: no
16:13 lolcubes: usually kudosu = modpost
16:13 lolcubes: thats about it
16:13 SuperMoutarde: ok
16:13 lolcubes: this is just finishing the post from before
16:13 lolcubes: cause it was incorrect
16:13 SuperMoutarde: yeah but you take so much time
16:13 SuperMoutarde: compared to lazy mods who run AIBat and say the map looks too good for them to mod
16:13 SuperMoutarde: and stille arn their kudosu
16:13 lolcubes: i know right
16:13 lolcubes: i don't even use that
16:13 lolcubes: i simply refuse to :P
16:14 lolcubes: though 95% of the team uses it <_<
16:14 SuperMoutarde: well I do, cauz it helps, but I also mod it myself
16:14 lolcubes: i rather make a human mistake and be responsible for it
16:14 lolcubes: but still retain my ability to mod properly
16:14 lolcubes: than get lazy and do all that
16:14 lolcubes: and then go "oh but ai bat is outdated" or w/e
16:15 SuperMoutarde: so many lazy modders that when someone is really helpful I want them to be rewarded ^^
16:15 SuperMoutarde: aibat is still a plus
16:15 SuperMoutarde: like for skin dimensions and shit
16:15 lolcubes: its handy for certain things
16:15 lolcubes: which may be time wasting for a human to check
16:15 SuperMoutarde: snapping too
16:15 lolcubes: i still prefer to take extra time to do it myself too
16:15 lolcubes: snapping checker is already built into the game
16:16 SuperMoutarde: but doesnt work too well
16:16 lolcubes: it does
16:16 lolcubes: it snaps to below 1ms precision
16:16 SuperMoutarde: it didnt tell me that I had unsnapped notes when I actually still had
16:16 lolcubes: ...thats good enough :/
16:16 SuperMoutarde: and AIBat pointed out what the normal AIMod didnt see
16:16 SuperMoutarde: but this was 1ms errors
16:17 lolcubes: you know why it does that?
16:17 lolcubes: because they are not always errors
16:17 lolcubes: the thing is
16:17 lolcubes: when you have many red sections
16:17 lolcubes: what AIBat doesn't know is
16:17 lolcubes: for some reason due to mathematical errors
16:17 lolcubes: timeline IS actually 1ms off
16:17 SuperMoutarde: oO
16:17 SuperMoutarde: that explains a lot
16:17 lolcubes: so when you have a super handy bpm lets say 180
16:17 lolcubes: and you put it somewhere
16:18 lolcubes: after a while
16:18 lolcubes: you will notice ticks get 1ms off sometimes
16:18 lolcubes: not always, but sometimes
16:18 lolcubes: while aibat is just pure rounded math
16:18 lolcubes: in the end it doesn't really make a difference
16:18 SuperMoutarde: i got this problem exactly with this map many times
16:18 lolcubes: but it happens
16:19 SuperMoutarde: as you say it's only 1ms difference so not a big deal anyway, but I couldn't understand why it did that even if I checked the option to resnap notes on new timing
16:19 SuperMoutarde: as you say it's only 1ms difference so not a big deal anyway, but I couldn't understand why it did that even if I checked the option to resnap notes on new timing
16:19 lolcubes: this is also when you have weird bpms
16:19 lolcubes: like you had
16:20 lolcubes: 53.420 or w/e it was
16:20 lolcubes: hehe
16:20 lolcubes: because the game rounds it up to 1ms
16:20 lolcubes: while aibat still doesn't
16:20 SuperMoutarde: wait, did you tell me your additional timing changes or not?
16:20 lolcubes: no
16:20 lolcubes: im still building it
16:20 lolcubes: there are some minor things
16:20 SuperMoutarde: oh ok ^^
16:20 lolcubes: which make it go whack
16:23 lolcubes: 01:26:356 (5) - this note is a bit awkward
16:23 lolcubes: i believe this one is actually on a 1/4 tick
16:23 lolcubes: sigh, this song
16:23 lolcubes: 1/2 tick i mean
16:23 lolcubes: if thats the case
16:23 lolcubes: i would recommend a short slider lol
16:24 SuperMoutarde: hmm it doesn't sound like it should be on blue tick to me (i mean in terms of the music sheet)
16:24 lolcubes: not bllue
16:24 lolcubes: red
16:25 SuperMoutarde: you sure?
16:25 lolcubes: it does sound like it to me
16:26 SuperMoutarde: it's on white tick in the music sheet I believe
16:26 lolcubes: yeah well
16:26 lolcubes: wait what
16:26 lolcubes: white?
16:27 lolcubes: the note 5
16:27 lolcubes: is currently on a 1/3 tick
16:27 SuperMoutarde: ooo
16:27 SuperMoutarde: lol
16:27 SuperMoutarde: my bad
16:27 SuperMoutarde: i was looking at 01:27:336 (1) the whole time
16:27 lolcubes: 6 is on the downbeat yes
16:27 lolcubes: thats correct
16:27 lolcubes: hehe
16:28 lolcubes: 01:26:307 (5) - yeah im positive this should be here lol
16:28 lolcubes: on the 1/2 tick
16:29 SuperMoutarde: yeah definitely
16:29 SuperMoutarde: an error that occured when changing timing
16:29 SuperMoutarde: i had this on red tick the whole time
16:30 SuperMoutarde: well it's 311 for me but i assume it's because you made adjustment to the offset
16:30 lolcubes: more like bpm
16:30 lolcubes: hehe
16:30 SuperMoutarde: ^^
16:30 lolcubes: there is a simple logic here
16:30 lolcubes: so that 209 bpm you have
16:30 lolcubes: should be 208
16:30 lolcubes: but it should come earlier
16:31 SuperMoutarde: k
16:31 lolcubes: there is a pretty obvious pattern here
16:31 lolcubes: dont change yet though
16:31 lolcubes: cause there are some new stuff here
16:31 lolcubes: currently its an offset battle
16:31 lolcubes: i think i got the bpms down
16:31 SuperMoutarde: ahah an offset battle xD
16:31 SuperMoutarde: brb in 5minuts
16:34 lolcubes: ok
16:34 lolcubes: its perfect now
16:34 lolcubes: just say when you're back
16:34 lolcubes: this is working very nicely
16:42 SuperMoutarde: here i am
16:42 lolcubes: im just fine tuning the end
16:42 lolcubes: cause the end breaks with the current timing
16:42 lolcubes: but it looks much more clean now :P
16:42 SuperMoutarde: :)
16:46 lolcubes: lets use this
16:46 lolcubes: i almost SSd with od8
16:46 lolcubes: ok so
16:46 SuperMoutarde: clean result :)
16:46 lolcubes: 01:16:728 - 195 bpm
16:47 lolcubes: 01:17:652 - 204 bpm
16:47 lolcubes: 01:19:416 - 205 bpm
16:47 lolcubes: argh just one moment i need to solve one thing fast :P
16:48 lolcubes: 01:22:933 - 208 bpm
16:48 SuperMoutarde: are you suggesting to remove offset 77211 204 BPM?
16:48 lolcubes: yes
16:48 SuperMoutarde: ok
16:50 lolcubes: 01:22:928 - 208 bpm, which means the above 208 i wrote
16:50 lolcubes: move by -5
16:50 SuperMoutarde: k
16:51 lolcubes: one sec
16:51 lolcubes: wtf
16:51 lolcubes: my timing sections bugged
16:51 lolcubes: what am i doing :D
16:51 SuperMoutarde: lolol
16:51 SuperMoutarde: Sorry for putting you in such trouble xD
16:51 lolcubes: i had like
16:52 lolcubes: 2 sections on top of each other
16:52 lolcubes: so the lower bpm counted
16:52 lolcubes: argh
16:52 SuperMoutarde: lulz
16:52 lolcubes: now this is wrong lol
16:52 SuperMoutarde: which one was it?
16:52 lolcubes: the 208
16:52 SuperMoutarde: k
16:52 lolcubes: there is no 208
16:52 lolcubes: just remove
16:53 SuperMoutarde: so this should be on the 205 right?
16:53 lolcubes: from before? yes
16:53 SuperMoutarde: k
16:53 lolcubes: jesus what is wrong with this game
16:53 lolcubes: its already up to 900MB of ram
16:53 SuperMoutarde: oO
16:54 SuperMoutarde: lol, crash?
16:54 lolcubes: yes
16:54 lolcubes: lol
16:54 SuperMoutarde: editor makes my laptot overheat too
16:54 SuperMoutarde: laptopµ
16:54 lolcubes: well
16:54 lolcubes: the latest update
16:54 lolcubes: my osu is usually around 300~400
16:54 lolcubes: but latest update makes it go 900~1gb
16:54 lolcubes: and then crash
16:54 SuperMoutarde: wth
16:54 lolcubes: idk why
16:55 lolcubes: also the hitsounds started bugging for me again
16:55 lolcubes: cause xonar is a bullshit card for this game
16:55 lolcubes: that was fixed at some point
16:55 lolcubes: but now its unfixed
16:55 lolcubes: :/
16:55 SuperMoutarde: it was pretty minor update from the look of it
16:55 SuperMoutarde: that' s weird
17:00 lolcubes: yes this works
17:00 lolcubes: fixed it
17:00 lolcubes: ok so
17:01 lolcubes: ill just repeat
17:01 SuperMoutarde: ok,done. is it correct that the 205 bpm section goes from 79416 to 87336?
17:01 lolcubes: 01:16:728 - 195
17:01 lolcubes: 01:17:652 - 204
17:01 lolcubes: 01:19:416 - 205
17:01 SuperMoutarde: all these: done
17:01 lolcubes: 01:23:806 - 204
17:02 lolcubes: 01:26:453 - 205
17:03 lolcubes: 01:27:331 - 208
17:03 lolcubes: 01:28:196 - 205
17:03 lolcubes: 01:29:074 - 202
17:03 lolcubes: 01:30:856 - 205
17:04 lolcubes: 01:31:734 - 202
17:04 lolcubes: remove the rest
17:04 lolcubes: now there are a few special things to know
17:04 lolcubes: which you didn't originally do
17:04 lolcubes: and that is why people went to really silly timing values, including myself
17:05 lolcubes: 01:31:051 (2) - this slider here actually starts on a 1/3 tick
17:05 lolcubes: and ends on 01:31:441 - (you need 1/6 snap for this)
17:05 lolcubes: 01:31:932 (2) - same with this one here
17:05 lolcubes: starts on 1/3 ends on 01:32:328 - (also 1/6 snap cause 1/3 and 1/2 together make 1/6 else slider goes derp)
17:06 SuperMoutarde: oh ok, nice catch
17:13 lolcubes: you here?
17:13 lolcubes: my connection died for a minute haha
17:15 SuperMoutarde: i am here
17:15 SuperMoutarde: i am fixing the slider starting on 1/3 beat
17:15 lolcubes: okay
17:15 SuperMoutarde: sliders*
17:15 lolcubes: there are a few tricks we will include into the maps as well
17:15 lolcubes: so the video plays until the end
17:15 SuperMoutarde: how to?
17:15 lolcubes: tell me when you're done fixing
17:15 lolcubes: and update
17:15 lolcubes: so i can recheck
17:15 lolcubes: its a simple trick ill tell you after you fix stuff
17:15 lolcubes: we will do that at the end
17:16 SuperMoutarde: alright
17:17 SuperMoutarde: you meant I should place the beginning of the sliders on the 1/3 beat that is before its previous starting point, right?
17:18 SuperMoutarde: or after?
17:18 lolcubes: just link me the slider
17:18 lolcubes: ill tell you where to start
17:18 lolcubes: and where to end
17:18 lolcubes: its most simple :P
17:18 SuperMoutarde: 01:30:953 (2) -
17:19 lolcubes: 01:31:051 - this tick here
17:19 lolcubes: ends on 01:31:441 -
17:20 SuperMoutarde: ok, i knew i was wrong xD
17:20 lolcubes: the other slider should start on 01:31:932 - and end on 01:32:328 -
17:20 lolcubes: just one thing
17:20 lolcubes: i made one small adjustment to the timing here
17:20 lolcubes: sorry for not telling you
17:21 lolcubes: this 202 bpm 01:31:734 -
17:21 lolcubes: 01:32:612 - goes here
17:21 lolcubes: so the final 4 notes come a bit earlier
17:21 lolcubes: cause they were late
17:21 lolcubes: so the section until 01:32:612 - is still 205 bpm
17:21 lolcubes: which is at 01:30:856 -
17:21 SuperMoutarde: i move the offset to 01:32:612, correct?
17:22 lolcubes: on that 202 bpm, yes
17:22 SuperMoutarde: ok
17:24 SuperMoutarde: wait, what happpens to the 195 bpm section then
17:24 lolcubes: poof
17:24 lolcubes: :D
17:24 lolcubes: doesn't exist
17:24 SuperMoutarde: lol ok
17:26 SuperMoutarde: ok i did all, let me just check i didnt fuck up the snapping, and apply to all diff
17:27 lolcubes: yeah and then update
17:28 lolcubes: cause i have some hitsound suggestions hehe
17:28 lolcubes: i didnt even check other diffs yet
17:28 SuperMoutarde: well they re the same but easier
17:28 SuperMoutarde: xD
17:38 lolcubes: fixed all?
17:38 SuperMoutarde: i m applying on normal and easy, gotta fix the green sections and stuff, sorry for slow :/
17:39 lolcubes: oh no worries
17:39 lolcubes: was afk :P
17:47 lolcubes: gonna afk a bit again
17:47 SuperMoutarde: ok
17:47 SuperMoutarde: i m almostdone though
17:47 lolcubes: just let me know when you're done
17:47 SuperMoutarde: k
17:55 SuperMoutarde: I uploaded new version!
17:57 lolcubes: ok in hard
17:57 lolcubes: 01:30:559 (6,7,1,2) - you should rethink this pattern
17:58 lolcubes: it does look ugly :p
17:58 SuperMoutarde: ok
17:58 lolcubes: ill just drop off some suggestions
17:58 SuperMoutarde: you will have to accept the kudos at some point xD
17:59 lolcubes: 01:27:619 (4,5) - whistles at these
17:59 lolcubes: because of the melody
17:59 lolcubes: highlights
17:59 lolcubes: haha sure why not, at this point hehe
17:59 lolcubes: 01:28:927 (2,3,4) - same here, consider soft whistles
17:59 lolcubes: but only on the slider end
17:59 lolcubes: and circles 34
18:00 SuperMoutarde: then it would be good to also add whistle on start of 01:29:965 (5) don't you think?
18:01 lolcubes: oh yeah
18:01 lolcubes: i missed it
18:01 lolcubes: my bad
18:01 SuperMoutarde: ^^
18:01 lolcubes: 01:17:189 (2) - this should be on a 1/3 tick at 01:17:189 (2) -
18:02 lolcubes: wait what
18:02 SuperMoutarde: lolz
18:02 lolcubes: 01:17:240 -
18:02 lolcubes: here
18:02 lolcubes: 01:18:975 (5) - this one should be on a 1/3 tick at 01:19:024 -
18:02 lolcubes: 01:22:489 (5) - on 01:22:537 -
18:02 lolcubes: 01:24:247 (2) - on 01:24:296 -
18:02 lolcubes: 01:26:306 (5) - this one is correct
18:03 lolcubes: leave this one alone :p
18:03 lolcubes: but
18:03 lolcubes: instead of 2 stacking circles
18:03 lolcubes: you should consider using a slider
18:03 SuperMoutarde: well, are you sure? because i had mapped like this at first (mainly because my timing was wrong anyway) but after I look at the music sheet, I saw all these doubles are supposed to be on 1/2
18:03 SuperMoutarde: well, are you sure? because i had mapped like this at first (mainly because my timing was wrong anyway) but after I look at the music sheet, I saw all these doubles are supposed to be on 1/2
18:03 lolcubes: well
18:03 lolcubes: waltz is supposed to be mapped on the white ticks too?
18:03 lolcubes: i mean
18:03 lolcubes: played
18:03 lolcubes: but its improvised a little
18:03 lolcubes: so its on 1/3 ticks
18:03 lolcubes: right? :D
18:04 SuperMoutarde: You know better than I do ^^
18:05 lolcubes: its not really about knowing
18:05 lolcubes: its more about listening hehe
18:06 lolcubes: just when you do those fixes update so i check em again :p
18:06 lolcubes: still have to check other diffs too but i wanna get this one out of the way
18:06 SuperMoutarde: ok, i am doing the changes in all diff already, though ^ ^
18:13 SuperMoutarde: all done and updated!
18:20 lolcubes: in normal
18:20 lolcubes: 00:54:001 (7) - this finish here
18:20 lolcubes: sounds a bit odd
18:20 lolcubes: you have whistles on 00:54:001 (7,8) - in hard
18:20 lolcubes: do the same here?
18:21 SuperMoutarde: fixed
18:21 SuperMoutarde: i had a finish there in hard originally, forgot to change normal when i changed hard
18:21 lolcubes: hm
18:21 lolcubes: if possible
18:21 lolcubes: would you mind changing the logic of the objects in normal?
18:21 lolcubes: for example
18:21 lolcubes: 01:16:728 (1,2) -
18:21 lolcubes: i don't think this would work for a normal
18:22 SuperMoutarde: what would you suggest?
18:22 lolcubes: simply because the starting point is the heavy point
18:22 lolcubes: i would sugest a circle at the start
18:22 lolcubes: and a short slider for the 2 1/3 notes
18:22 lolcubes: for pretty much all occurences of such rhythms here
18:22 SuperMoutarde: ok
18:22 lolcubes: 01:18:240 (3) - this is ok
18:22 lolcubes: but those 2 circles are not
18:22 lolcubes: they are too hard
18:22 lolcubes: should be one small slider
18:22 SuperMoutarde: alright
18:23 lolcubes: 01:23:367 (1) - this feels off and really weird
18:23 lolcubes: rather map the downbeat at 01:22:928 -
18:23 lolcubes: and then a circle at 01:23:806 -
18:23 lolcubes: 01:26:306 (6,7) - this should also be a slider cause it wouldn't really be readable though, it probably would but best to avoid any confusion
18:24 lolcubes: it's a normal after all
18:24 lolcubes: 01:28:052 (3,4) - should have whistles too :p
18:24 lolcubes: but the slider 4 should have it on the start, not end
18:24 lolcubes: sounds a bit weird on end cause there are no notes before it
18:24 SuperMoutarde: hmm i m not a fan of changing the slider start on 01:22:928 i like it better as it is now :/
18:25 lolcubes: well
18:25 lolcubes: its certainly misplaced though
18:25 SuperMoutarde: why?
18:25 SuperMoutarde: it s same as in hard
18:25 SuperMoutarde: it follows music well imo
18:25 lolcubes: 01:23:367 (1) - ?
18:25 lolcubes: you have 4 circles here in hard
18:25 lolcubes: o_o
18:26 lolcubes: wait
18:26 lolcubes: uh
18:26 lolcubes: you have nothing here in normal
18:26 lolcubes: 01:22:928 -
18:26 lolcubes: on this tick
18:26 lolcubes: you have 4 circles on hard
18:26 SuperMoutarde: yeah definitely not like in hard, actually, my bad
18:26 SuperMoutarde: lol
18:26 lolcubes: 01:23:367 - this is a wrong place to start the slider because it creates a rhythm on this tick
18:26 lolcubes: which is nonexistant in the music hehe
18:26 SuperMoutarde: ok
18:26 lolcubes: should be either of the white ticks, preferrably downbeat or the 2nd small one
18:26 lolcubes: if you want to keep it its fine
18:27 lolcubes: just make sure it starts on 01:23:513 - then
18:27 lolcubes: as a "lead in" towards the next section
18:27 SuperMoutarde: but wait 01:23:367 is not nonexistant in the music
18:27 SuperMoutarde: or my ears are betraying me big time
18:27 lolcubes: dont delete the - at the end
18:28 lolcubes: i can't click the link then
18:28 lolcubes: :/
18:28 SuperMoutarde: 01:23:367
18:28 SuperMoutarde: still the same
18:28 lolcubes: not getting a link :P
18:28 SuperMoutarde: wtf
18:28 lolcubes: do you know how to get links?
18:28 SuperMoutarde: 01:23:367 (1) -
18:28 lolcubes: you press ctrl+c on the timeline
18:28 SuperMoutarde: here u go ^^
18:28 lolcubes: and just paste it into the chat
18:28 SuperMoutarde: y i know
18:28 lolcubes: yeah i know i understand what it's trying to follow
18:29 lolcubes: the thing it's trying to follow does indeed start with the slider, however it starts silent and comes into a crescendo until the end
18:29 lolcubes: problem is
18:29 lolcubes: slider start creates a rhythm
18:29 lolcubes: which is in between the main rhythm notes
18:29 lolcubes: and causes it to break
18:29 lolcubes: that's why it's so iffy :|
18:29 SuperMoutarde: i see
18:29 SuperMoutarde: but it sounds weird if i move the start to previous beat though
18:29 lolcubes: move it to 01:23:513 - :p
18:29 lolcubes: it sounds pretty good like this
18:30 SuperMoutarde: yeah that works
18:30 SuperMoutarde: done
18:31 lolcubes: 01:28:052 (3,4) - fixed whistles here?
18:31 SuperMoutarde: yep
18:32 lolcubes: 01:38:583 - you dont have any whistles here in hard, and i like that actually
18:32 lolcubes: these whistles in normal kinda break the consistency of hitsounding you used
18:32 lolcubes: i would suggest to remove them
18:32 lolcubes: 01:41:042 (1,2) - except for these two
18:32 lolcubes: these two are cool
18:33 lolcubes: might want to add them in hard too
18:33 SuperMoutarde: osu is going crazy i have to restart it
18:33 lolcubes: sure
18:33 SuperMoutarde: how can i keep the chat log?
18:33 lolcubes: /savelog
18:37 SuperMoutarde: alright, I changed the whistles in the end as you suggested in normal and hard
18:38 lolcubes: update please
18:38 lolcubes: sorry im kinda demanding hehe
18:38 SuperMoutarde: done
18:38 SuperMoutarde: oh wait
18:39 lolcubes: something broke
18:39 lolcubes: cant enter edit
18:39 lolcubes: lol
18:39 lolcubes: ill restart
18:39 SuperMoutarde: i didnt change the patterns that you said are too hard in normal yet
18:39 SuperMoutarde: i still have to change the patterns in normal for the doubles, actually, forgot to fix that
18:39 lolcubes: okay
18:45 lolcubes: in easy there is only one thing i think you should change
18:45 SuperMoutarde: you think i can keep 01:26:306 (5,6) as it is since it's 1/2?
18:45 SuperMoutarde: shit
18:45 SuperMoutarde: 01:26:306 (5,6) -
18:45 lolcubes: two actually
18:45 lolcubes: its better ot make them a slider too
18:45 SuperMoutarde: k
18:45 lolcubes: since they are a slider in hard
18:45 SuperMoutarde: ahah true ^^
18:45 lolcubes: awkward song choice, not much you can do about it heh
18:47 SuperMoutarde: hehe, not as awkward as my new map though, it has to challenging for it to be fun ^^
18:47 SuperMoutarde: what are the changes for Easy?
18:47 lolcubes: 01:20:294 (5) - new combo here
18:47 lolcubes: 01:28:196 (2) - and this note here
18:47 lolcubes: i am not sure about this one
18:47 lolcubes: the rhythm it creates is constant
18:47 lolcubes: while the music doesn't suggest that
18:47 lolcubes: moving it to 01:28:488 - does sound better but i dunno
18:48 lolcubes: i would recomment that at least
18:48 lolcubes: maybe even add something to 01:28:781 -
18:48 lolcubes: so its less confusing lol
18:48 lolcubes: http://puu.sh/22ZOt/4dd4eef324 like this
18:48 lolcubes: a short slider
18:49 SuperMoutarde: k
18:49 lolcubes: flows better too
18:49 SuperMoutarde: yeah i know what you mean, it was a bit weird
18:50 SuperMoutarde: ok, done
18:51 lolcubes: update again so i can check the whole thing
18:51 SuperMoutarde: done
18:54 lolcubes: actually
18:54 lolcubes: in normal
18:54 lolcubes: 01:26:306 (5) -
18:54 lolcubes: i would actually just suggest 1 circle at 01:26:453 -
18:54 lolcubes: that would make the map much more readable
18:54 lolcubes: and this note on the 1/2 tick isn't that important
18:55 lolcubes: because you couldn't follow the complete melody around this area
18:55 lolcubes: losing a note here wouldn't make a huge difference on how it sounds
18:55 lolcubes: but it would make a huge difference in how it plays
18:55 lolcubes: i.e. more simple
18:55 SuperMoutarde: okey
18:56 SuperMoutarde: woops, accidentally added whistle to a whole slider
18:56 lolcubes: 01:28:196 (4) - this one right?
18:56 lolcubes: was about to say hehe
18:57 SuperMoutarde: yeah this one ^^ just fixed it and reuploaded
18:59 lolcubes: right
18:59 lolcubes: lets rebubble this
18:59 lolcubes: ill forward this to a friend so he checks it and maybe ranks it
18:59 SuperMoutarde: Yay! :)
18:59 SuperMoutarde: thanks a lot!
lolcubes
Okay, so, we did the whole timing again from scratch in the kiai and it should be much more accurate now. The values above are now invalidated pretty much and new timing took place.

To summarize, we also changed a couple of things, we improved readability of objects in normal diff (by using short sliders for sudden notes rather than circles which are kinda hard), we fixed a combo in easy, we fixed snapping issues in hard diff (notes were landing on 1/4 ticks instead of 1/3) and we modified some hitsounds in all diffs pretty much. I suppose a full log isn't necessary because there is over 2 hours of conversation heh.

Rebubbled.
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

lolcubes wrote:

I suppose a full log isn't necessary because there is over 2 hours of conversation heh.
Over 3 hours actually, I cannot thank you enough for this :) Posted the logs I had anyways
Garven
[General]
Set the artist to 植松 伸夫 and leave the Romanised title as it is now

[Easy]
00:55:787 (2,3,4,5,6) - This pattern is a little clustery - especially with such huge hit circles. Think you could make it read a little better?
01:15:367 (3,1) - This spacing is way too close

[Hard]
01:15:367 (3) - This would make more sense with your pattern with 1 and 2 if you moved it to here
00:18:131 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Compare new combo use to 01:38:583 (1,2,3,1,1,1,1,1) - I recommend not combo spamming q:
lolcubes
I completely forgot to tell you how to make the vid play until the end.

http://puu.sh/23nJe/815e78b966

Use the above .osb in your map, it's a fake storyboard to force a Skip button at the end. Sorry about that.
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

Garven wrote:

[General]
Set the artist to 植松 伸夫 and leave the Romanised title as it is now
ok, should I add the romanised name of the artist in tags, then?

[Easy]
00:55:787 (2,3,4,5,6) - This pattern is a little clustery - especially with such huge hit circles. Think you could make it read a little better? fixed
01:15:367 (3,1) - This spacing is way too close fixed

[Hard]
01:15:367 (3) - This would make more sense with your pattern with 1 and 2 if you moved it to here
indeed! fixed
00:18:131 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - Compare new combo use to 01:38:583 (1,2,3,1,1,1,1,1) - I recommend not combo spamming q:
Did you play with video or without? There are fireworks at this moment, that's why I spam NC on this, I can change if I have to but I'd prefer to keep it this way if possible changed
Thanks a lot! Uploaded new version with all changed except the new combos at the end of Hard. Please tell me if I really have to change it and I will

edit: removed the NC

and

lolcubes wrote:

I completely forgot to tell you how to make the vid play until the end.

http://puu.sh/23nJe/815e78b966

Use the above .osb in your map, it's a fake storyboard to force a Skip button at the end. Sorry about that.
Added, thank you!
Garven
"Its a moonwalk, its a moonwalk! Head spin~!"

Edit:
..damnit. I'll rank it tomorrow then.

|
V There, better?
Raging Bull
so is this ranked? Cause its been in pending with heart for a while
Pokie

Garven wrote:

"Its a moonwalk, its a moonwalk! Head spin~!"
Flanster
Ranked but not ranked ;C
popner

Lolicore Flandre wrote:

Ranked but not ranked ;C
mintong89
....orz and gratz
Royston
Congrats on getting your map... uhh, somewhat ranked?
MoodyRPG
Where is the ranked? u.u
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde
wooo yeah, thank you, I'm so happy right now! :) I'm not sure if I understand what the current status of the map means though, ahah
Garven
Current status: Ranked q:
Lally
gratz \o3o/
Aurele
I lol'd

Bravo!
Shohei Ohtani
Yay, this map is ranked.

I'm not neccesarily sure why this map was particularly memorable to me, but good job.
Cygnus
oh Garven XD
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde

Garven wrote:

Current status: Ranked q:
yay! thank you garven! And many thanks to everyone who helped mod the map and fix the damn timing!

/me is super happy
Deni
Congrats!

osu! needs more Final Fantasy ;)
Flanster
now its *officially* ranked ;I
Stefan

Deni wrote:

Congrats!

osu! needs more Final Fantasy ;)
no
OnosakiHito
Congratulation for rank.
Sure
congrats
MoodyRPG
What a nostalgic song man, congratz :3
HeatKai

Stefan wrote:

Deni wrote:

Congrats!

osu! needs more Final Fantasy ;)
no
yes
Raging Bull
Grats on rerank!
R e d
Yes finnaly!!!!! :D

Gratzz
Garven


I'm lazy, but still amused.
Natsu
congratz :3
Stefan

Garven wrote:



I'm lazy, but still amused.
oh u
DakeDekaane
Yay, congrats :3

Stefan wrote:

Deni wrote:

Congrats!

osu! needs more Final Fantasy ;)
no
Yes, osu! needs moar videogame songs c:
Loire
Ranked Final Fantasy VIII map on osu?
Author, YOU ARE GOD
PLEASE MORE

I LOVE YOU
Topic Starter
SuperMoutarde
Thank you everyone :)

SPOILER

Garven wrote:



I'm lazy, but still amused.
xD
cheesiest
u never gave me credit from helping w/ pre-map & timinglelelele
Casyra
THANK YOU SO MUCH for mapping this WITH VIDEO <3
all my luv :3 :D :D :D
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