This beatmap was submitted using in-game submission on Saturday, February 16, 2013 at 12:27:19 PM

Artist: Nobuo Uematsu
Title: Waltz for the Moon
Source: Final Fantasy VIII
Tags: squall rinoa ff8 dance 8 rpg squaresoft square enix
BPM: 183
Filesize: 16757kb
Play Time: 01:38
Difficulties Available:

1. Easy (1.7 stars, 70 notes)
2. Hard (4.75 stars, 239 notes)
3. Normal (4.17 stars, 125 notes)

Download: Nobuo Uematsu - Waltz for the Moon
Download: Nobuo Uematsu - Waltz for the Moon (no video)
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Many thanks to everyone who helped with this:

timing help o.o/


hope I can help u..

yanlu wrote:

timing help o.o/

I'm not sure but I think is:

offset 20587 168 bpm

offset 72005 102 bpm

offset 75829 204 bpm

hope I can help u..

Thanks, it helped. I guess it comes back to 168 bpm at the end too, I'm tryin to figure it out. 102 during the small transition really feels right

Timing, CrimmiStyle!!

I'm also here for the timing fixes:

Waltz is my favorite timing phase

First BPM/Offset: 168 BPM/21,635 Offset
Second BPM/Offset: 195 BPM/75,925 Offset (This part is kind of tricky to time but I made sure to be accurate as possible)
Third BPM/Offset: 168 BPM/102,100 Offset

Make sure you check the Second Offset, it be off or not, but try to make sure you listen to it carefully to see if it's off or not.

I hope this helps, and good luck on your map

Thanks a lot.

I posted a new version using three different BPMs. I used:

- Intro: 183 bpm / 17,224 Offset
- First part: 168 bpm / 21,635 Offset
- Second part: 204 bpm / 75,825 Offset
- Transition : 183 bpm / 93,684 Offset
- Last part: 168 bpm / 102,100 Offset

and it feels right, even though I'm not 100% sure all offsets are perfect.

Shake it Bake it Booty Quake it.

Overall:
Hitsounds are incredibly lacking. I know it's a waltz with no real drum track, but still, it feel so empty that I don't want to play it. Maybe add some whistles somewhere. . . When I worked it out, I was naturally putting them on count 2 of every measure, but do whatever sounds best to you.
01:42:101 (1) - End map here.

Hard:
00:31:274 (4) - Adjust this so it's not overlapping on the slider itself (I'm fine if it overlaps a little bit on the slider end, as long as it is spaced correctly.
01:08:420 (9) - Im personally never a big fan of patterns like this. Move (9) so it flows more in the direction that (7) and (8) were going.
01:09:845 (7,8) - This doesn't really go with the music all that much. Change the notes so it fits the music more. Also, add a new combo on (7)
01:13:242 (2) - Curve this slider much more.
01:14:492 (3) - Curve this slider more. Also, shorten it so the end is on the white tick.
01:24:648 (7) - Fix the spacing so it's the same as the previous notes
01:26:413 (1) - Add finish
01:28:398 - It's generally a bad idea to have breaks during kiai time. Either map it fully or end kiai time here.

Normal:
Your sliders. Not bueno. Use 1 sliderpoint so you can use the super helpful slider making tool to make pretty curvy sliders. It helps a lot.
00:45:558 (2) - If you're intending for this to be your normal, thismight be a bit tough.
00:47:701 (2) - ^
01:01:456 - ok break um ok
01:06:986 (2) - Same as earlier
01:09:129 (2) - ^
01:37:618 (5) - Fix the spacing here

Easy:
Tickrate 0.5
Approach Rate -3 or 4 (like srs omg)
00:37:701 (2) - Make this overlap as little as possible
01:33:684 (1,2) - Not the prettiest of sliders.

tl;dr don't put so many points on your sliders and add hitsounds. It'd decently mapped to the music. Also, make normal a bit easier, the diff jump from easy to normal is large.

yay

I like the easy map but maybe you should replace the end spinner by a bit more of "real" mapping, to feel like the other diff

Thanks for the nice mod, CDFA!

CDFA wrote:

Easy:
Tickrate 0.5

Editor cannot go under 1 for tick rate sadly (I guess 0.333 would ve been ideal. Maybe I should straight up change BPM to a third of what it is and keep a tick rate of 1 to get the desired effect?)

CDFA wrote:

Approach Rate -3 or 4 (like srs omg)
00:37:701 (2) - Make this overlap as little as possible
01:33:684 (1,2) - Not the prettiest of sliders.

Thx, changed.

CDFA wrote:

Normal:
Your sliders. Not bueno. Use 1 sliderpoint so you can use the super helpful slider making tool to make pretty curvy sliders. It helps a lot.
00:45:558 (2) - If you're intending for this to be your normal, thismight be a bit tough.
00:47:701 (2) - ^
01:01:456 - ok break um ok
01:06:986 (2) - Same as earlier
01:09:129 (2) - ^
01:37:618 (5) - Fix the spacing here

Thx, changed all sliders as you said, and made the moments you pointed out easier, as well as fixing the little spacin issue

CDFA wrote:

Hard:
00:31:274 (4) - Adjust this so it's not overlapping on the slider itself (I'm fine if it overlaps a little bit on the slider end, as long as it is spaced correctly.
01:08:420 (9) - Im personally never a big fan of patterns like this. Move (9) so it flows more in the direction that (7) and (8) were going.
01:09:845 (7,8) - This doesn't really go with the music all that much. Change the notes so it fits the music more. Also, add a new combo on (7)
01:13:242 (2) - Curve this slider much more.
01:14:492 (3) - Curve this slider more. Also, shorten it so the end is on the white tick.
01:24:648 (7) - Fix the spacing so it's the same as the previous notes
01:26:413 (1) - Add finish
01:28:398 - It's generally a bad idea to have breaks during kiai time. Either map it fully or end kiai time here.

Yep, changed everything as you suggested

CDFA wrote:

Overall:
Hitsounds are incredibly lacking. I know it's a waltz with no real drum track, but still, it feel so empty that I don't want to play it. Maybe add some whistles somewhere. . . When I worked it out, I was naturally putting them on count 2 of every measure, but do whatever sounds best to you.

I know, I feel the same, but as you said the music being so slow and soft, I don't want to make too much of a "noisy" map. I'm gonna work on it, though, you're definitely right that hitsounds are lacking.

CDFA wrote:

01:42:101 (1) - End map here.

Hmm, I'm gonna consider this but the map is already so short... Especially because I had to shorten it to fit the video after mapping the entire album version which lasts like 3min30 but maybe you're right, it would be more natural if it ended as you suggested...

Thanks again

Rinoa
01:14:486 (5) - Move it to 01:14:402, end at 01:15:206
01:15:831 (1) - it's off, it would fit if it was at 01:15:788 You can only get that if you put 1/8, I'm not sure if it is because the timing is not right.
Squall
00:39:849 (5) - Maybe link this with the next circle
00:44:938 - add a circle here
01:14:492 (3) - same problem as in Rinoa difficulty, it is delayed.
01:26:413 (1) - Sounds like it should end at 01:28:141
01:38:274 (1) - off the beat
01:38:602 (2) - not on the beat as well
01:38:929 (3) - not on the beat
01:39:257 (4) - not on the beat
01:39:585 (5) - not on the beat

Overall, I find the tempo of this song very weird and inconsistent to have just one bpm. I listened to it at 50% or 25% speed, many notes didn't quite really fit, but I'm not sure, I'm not familiar with this song.

neonat wrote:

Rinoa
01:14:486 (5) - Move it to 01:14:402, end at 01:15:206
01:15:831 (1) - it's off, it would fit if it was at 01:15:788 You can only get that if you put 1/8, I'm not sure if it is because the timing is not right.
Squall
00:39:849 (5) - Maybe link this with the next circle
00:44:938 - add a circle here
01:14:492 (3) - same problem as in Rinoa difficulty, it is delayed.
01:26:413 (1) - Sounds like it should end at 01:28:141
01:38:274 (1) - off the beat
01:38:602 (2) - not on the beat as well
01:38:929 (3) - not on the beat
01:39:257 (4) - not on the beat
01:39:585 (5) - not on the beat

Overall, I find the tempo of this song very weird and inconsistent to have just one bpm. I listened to it at 50% or 25% speed, many note didn't quite really fit, but I'm not sure, I'm not familiar with this song.

Thanks for the mod. If you check the timing, you'll see I use three different BPMs throughout the song, I'm not entirely positive that it is 100% correct, some offsets or maybe even BPMs might be a bit off. I'm gonna check precisely the notes you mentionned and see if I can improve from there ^^

EDIT:

neonat wrote:

01:15:831 (1) - it's off, it would fit if it was at 01:15:788 You can only get that if you put 1/8, I'm not sure if it is because the timing is not right.

it's actually at 01:15:825, you were on the wrong timing section, i have an offset right there on this note to begin the 204 BPM part. You might be correct about my offset being slightly wrong though

Hello~ From in-game M4M request!

If you have any questions about my modding or doubts on how to do something, feel free to send me a forum or in-game PM! I'll gladly help you understand what I meant.

I told you that I'm a slow modder, and I really am! Bu anyways, here we go!

It took me a long time to check the timing and then, in the end, it was all correct, lol~

Red is unrankable issue
Blue is just suggestion


*phew* Here you are, a fresh mod!~

If you want a recheck later, you can just call me by PM and I'll come back here!

I'm cheering for you! *shoots start*

That's all! Good luck with your map!

A funny moment in FF8, is such a nice game, I played this game 3 months ago and the game/OST is awesome

General

1. The correct source is "Final Fantasy VIII" if you can see in Wikipedia
2. Add more tags like "squaresoft, playstation, psx", etc.
3. Well timing is off in my opinion, you should to ask someone to check
4. This map doesn't have Preview time, in my opinion here in 00:45:214 looks nice
5. I don't get why the difficulties have the same name from the characters, my suggestion is rename each one "Easy,Normal and Hard"

Delphie

• -- This difficulty have a different offest and BPM,183,000/17222 should be
  -- Delphie? I've heard Selphie in the game
  - 00:33:428 (1) - I really prefer to unstack this note to avoid the confusion for newbies players
  - 00:45:214 (3,1) - More spacing between these objects please
  - 01:12:000 (5) - The timing has changed but the slider is unsnapped, this should be end in 01:12:810
  - 01:25:530 (4) - Spacing

Rinoa

• - 00:51:642 (5) - nazi* I suggest to move this slider in another place because is making a overlap with (3)
  - 01:37:627 (5) - New combo if you follow the music
  - 01:53:885 (8) - Delete this slider because you finish the diff here

Squall

• - 00:26:523 (2) - Error spacing here?

Map needs to work but for now is fine, good luck

Kitagami wrote:

Hello~ From in-game M4M request!

If you have any questions about my modding or doubts on how to do something, feel free to send me a forum or in-game PM! I'll gladly help you understand what I meant.

I told you that I'm a slow modder, and I really am! Bu anyways, here we go!

General

Your background size isn't following the Guidelines and the quality is pretty bad too. I tried finding the same background with a better quality, but all the ones I found were even worse! I found this one, though. I recommend you to use it, since the quality is quite better and the size is already correct (I myself resized it).

Also, please don't put it with a name like the actual one "ff8squallrinoa640480dy6", rename it to something like "BG" or "WaltzForTheMoonBG" or anything like that.

I recommend you to use Grid Level 4 (if you're not already using it) and recheck all the spacings... There are some variations here and there... (Like, the spacing is 1.2x but there are some 1.16x or 1.14x)

It took me a long time to check the timing and then, in the end, it was all correct, lol~

Red is unrankable issue
Blue is just suggestion

Delphie

Issues found by using AiMod (CTRL+SHIFT+A)

1. 00:21:634 (1) - Unsnapped note.
2. 00:43:423 (4) - Unsnapped note.
3. 00:55:923 (3) - Unsnapped note.
4. 00:59:137 (2) - Unsnapped note.
5. 01:00:209 (1) - Unsnapped note.
6. 01:01:280 (2) - Unsnapped note.
7. 01:01:637 (3) - Unsnapped note.
8. 01:06:637 (1) - Unsnapped note.
9. 01:08:780 (2) - Unsnapped note.
10. 01:10:923 (3) - Unsnapped note.
11. 01:11:637 (4) - Unsnapped note.
12. 01:23:770 (2) - Unsnapped note.
13. 01:37:618 (1) - Unsnapped note.
14. You didn't set a Preview Point, this is an unrankable issue. Preview Point is the part of the music used when on the beatmap selecting menu and when the thumbnail of the beatmap is clicked on the Beatmap Listing page. If you don't know how to set one (since you are a new mapper and all), open the box bellow.
    
    How to set a Preview Point

    A preview point, as the name says, is the part of the song used as "Preview". You should just set the start of it, since osu! itself will do the rest. To set one, do the following:
    1. Go to the part of the music you think is good to be used as preview (in this case, I would say 01:15:825 is good for that).
    2. Go to Timing> Set Current Position as Preview Point.
    
    You should set a Preview Point on all the difficulties and they should start at the same point!

My own mod

1. 00:25:928 (1,2,3) - I think these ones could be better arranged. Take a look at these pictures:
   
   
   
   00:25:928 (1) and 00:27:000 (2) like this and 00:28:071 (3) would be on the same spot as 00:25:928 (1)
   
   If you want to do this, I think you'll have to improve the format of 00:28:071 (3) Maybe a little more arched.
2. 00:30:214 (4) - I think New Combo here would make more sense than on 00:32:357 (1)
3. 00:34:500 (3) - New Combo here would look good, since there's a lot of time between 00:33:428 (2,3)
4. 00:38:785 (3) - New Combo here? Since this is an Easy difficult, it's okay to have small combos (such as combos of only 2 notes)
5. 00:40:928 (5) - ^
6. 00:42:000 (6,1,2,3,4) - I think you should make this in a way that 00:42:000 (6,2,4) are on the same y position. Same goes for 00:42:357 (1,3) Just like this:
   
   
7. 00:45:214 (1) - I think this don't look so good here, since there's a lot of time between 00:43:423 (4,1) and 00:45:214 (1) is too close (in terms of positioning) to 00:43:423 (4) I don't think this "anti-jump" here is necessary.
8. 01:11:637 (4,5) - I would get them on the same y position.
9. 01:15:826 (1,2,3,4) - If you get these notes in a way that 01:15:826 (1,3) would be on the y middle line (y axis) and 01:16:707 (2,4) on the x one (x axis) would look much much better, in my opinion. Take a look at this:
   
   
   
   If you want, I already arranged them in a way that the spacing wasn't changed, so here's a code.
   
   

   256,64,75825,5,4,0:0:0
   128,192,76707,1,4,0:0:0
   256,320,77589,1,4,0:0:0
   384,192,78472,1,4,0:0:0

10. 01:22:883 (1,2,3,4) - Same thing as previous item, I would get these notes on the x-y axes.

Rinoa

Issues found by using AiMod

1. 00:39:851 (10) - Unsnapped note.
2. No Preview Point, set the same one for Delphie and Squall

My own Mod

1. There's no Kiai Time on this difficult (unrankable issue). The Kiai Time should be the same on all difficulties, so make sure it's the same on Delphie and Squall
2. 00:18:533 (3) - Get this to x:356 y:188 so that it will have the right spacing (that, in this case, is 1.2x) with 00:19:189 (4)
3. 00:21:643 (1) - I would start this "part of the song" (since there's a lot of time between 00:20:500 (7,1) - ) on the other side of the map since the previous part ends in a close spot 00:20:500 (7) See what I'm talking about here:
   
   
4. 00:23:785 (1,2) - Get them on the same y position.
5. 00:30:214 (4,5) - Check spacing.
6. 00:33:785 (8,9) - Get them on the same y position to make a nice triangle 00:33:428 (7,8,9)?
7. 00:35:214 (2,3) - Same as previous item. Get them on same y positino to make a nice triangle 00:35:214 (2,3,4)?
8. 00:36:285 (4,5) - Get them on same y position just for better look? xD
9. 00:38:785 (8) - I really recommend you to add New Combo here instead of on 00:40:928 (1)
10. If doing above item, 00:43:071 (9) New Combo here.
11. 00:46:285 (3,4,1) - Triangle by getting 00:46:285 (3,4) on the same y position?
12. 00:48:785 (4) - Move this to x:228 y:144 so that 00:47:357 (1,2,3,4) make a straight line.
13. 00:50:571 (3,5) - This overlap doesn't look good. Also, check spacing on 00:50:571 (3,4)
14. 00:53:071 (7,1,2) - Again, triangle shape by aligning 00:53:428 (1,2)?
15. 01:08:785 (1,2,3) - Maybe move them all along to x:360 y:84 and then move 01:09:857 (3) to x:152 y:84 so we get a nice symmetry? If doing so, please don't forget to check the spacing with the next notes.
    
16. 01:11:464 (2,3) - Check spacing.
17. 01:12:000 (3,4) - Why is the spacing between them is different than between 01:13:216 (4,5)? The time between them is the same...

Squall

Squall was the best difficult, in my opinion~

Issues found by using AiMod

1. 00:17:224 (1) - Unsnapped note
2. 00:17:389 (2) - Unsnapped note
3. 00:17:552 (3) - Unsnapped note
4. 00:17:879 (4) - Unsnapped note
5. 00:18:207 (5) - Unsnapped note
6. 00:20:498 (11) - Unsnapped note
7. 00:22:353 (2) - Unsnapped note
8. 00:22:711 (3) - Unsnapped note
9. 00:24:139 (2) - Unsnapped note
10. 00:34:849 (2) - Unsnapped note
11. 00:39:670 (4) - Unsnapped note
12. 00:41:456 (1) - Unsnapped note
13. 01:45:673 (2) - Unsnapped note
14. 01:46:030 (3) - Unsnapped note
15. No Preview Point. Should be the same on Delphie and Rinoa

My own Mod

1. 00:17:224 (1,2,3) - Please check the spacing between them, 00:17:224 (1,2) is 1.2x but 00:17:389 (2,3) is 1.14x. Also, align 00:17:389 (2) better with 00:17:224 (1,3)
2. 00:46:642 (3,5) - Getting them on the same y position would look good.
3. 00:52:535 (8) - Maybe get this to x:136 y:132 so that the spacing with 00:52:000 (7,9) is correct?
4. 01:23:398 (2,3) - Get them on the same spot as 01:21:609 (5,6) would look better, in my opinion.
5. 01:25:432 (8,9) - Maybe get them on the same y position as 01:24:354 (4,5,6,7)?

*phew* Here you are, a fresh mod!~

If you want a recheck later, you can just call me by PM and I'll come back here!

I'm cheering for you! *shoots start*

That's all! Good luck with your map!

Thanks for the awesome mod, so much things, both basic mistakes and good design advice!

I m using your background now, it's definitely better, thanks for that!

I did pretty much all you said I should do. I ll make sure to use the AIMod to get all those notes snapped after i am 100% positive i wont change my timing again. I didn't know how to chose the preview so thanks for this too.

yay! thanks again! and OMG you did shoot a star to my map too <3 I will have to do some special thanks at the end of the map or something if it gets ranked one day and i will mention you there

MoodyRPG wrote:

A funny moment in FF8, is such a nice game, I played this game 3 months ago and the game/OST is awesome

General

1. The correct source is "Final Fantasy VIII" if you can see in Wikipedia
2. Add more tags like "squaresoft, playstation, psx", etc.
3. Well timing is off in my opinion, you should to ask someone to check
4. This map doesn't have Preview time, in my opinion here in 00:45:214 looks nice
5. I don't get why the difficulties have the same name from the characters, my suggestion is rename each one "Easy,Normal and Hard"

Delphie

• -- This difficulty have a different offest and BPM,183,000/17222 should be
  -- Delphie? I've heard Selphie in the game
  - 00:33:428 (1) - I really prefer to unstack this note to avoid the confusion for newbies players
  - 00:45:214 (3,1) - More spacing between these objects please
  - 01:12:000 (5) - The timing has changed but the slider is unsnapped, this should be end in 01:12:810
  - 01:25:530 (4) - Spacing

Rinoa

• - 00:51:642 (5) - nazi* I suggest to move this slider in another place because is making a overlap with (3)
  - 01:37:627 (5) - New combo if you follow the music
  - 01:53:885 (8) - Delete this slider because you finish the diff here

Squall

• - 00:26:523 (2) - Error spacing here?

Map needs to work but for now is fine, good luck

xD Selphie indeed, ahah now that you mention it "Delphie" sounds so wrong ^^ You may be right about getting rid of those useless custom diff name that introduce more confusion (and funny mistakes xD) than anything

I also used all the other advice you gave me so thanks a lot for the mod

EDIT: for the timing on Selphie diff, I thought it was unnecessary to use the first offset/bpm section in the Selphie map because I chose to not map the intro in this difficulty anyway, so that would be kind of useless but if it is required that all diff have the exact same timing sections I'll change it for sure

Hey there, I said I'd mod this map and I've looked through all three difficulties, and I can't see anything too out of place apart from the general flow of the map. I have no experience with making maps though, but I felt that the flow of the maps was occasionally a bit awkward. I think that was mainly because the circles size is large on all three difficulties, if I might make a suggestion, I'd say reduce the circle size on the Squall difficulty.

I'm sorry I couldn't actually mod your map due to my inexperience, but it looks like you've got a decent set of mods so far, so good luck!

DrakeCuriel wrote:

Hey there, I said I'd mod this map and I've looked through all three difficulties, and I can't see anything too out of place apart from the general flow of the map. I have no experience with making maps though, but I felt that the flow of the maps was occasionally a bit awkward. I think that was mainly because the circles size is large on all three difficulties, if I might make a suggestion, I'd say reduce the circle size on the Squall difficulty.

I'm sorry I couldn't actually mod your map due to my inexperience, but it looks like you've got a decent set of mods so far, so good luck!

Thanks for the suggestion, still! I'm glad you like the maps

Hi, from in-game requests (via PM)


Selphie
01:18:472 (4,1) - spacing (maybe) since it's an easy diff

Rinoa
00:58:071 (4) - new combo ?
01:19:060 (1,2) - spacing
01:20:824 (3,4) - spacing
01:22:442 (1,2) - spacing

Squall
00:20:171 (10,11) - spacing
00:30:214 (1,2) - spacing (maybe)
01:11:464 (12,1) - spacing

i can't mod sound, so yeah

note : i'm not an experienced mapper, there might be some mistakes.
Please re-check.

btw, this map looks nice, good luck on this !

Froztic wrote:

Hi, from in-game requests (via PM)


Selphie
01:18:472 (4,1) - spacing (maybe) since it's an easy diff

Rinoa
00:58:071 (4) - new combo ?
01:19:060 (1,2) - spacing
01:20:824 (3,4) - spacing
01:22:442 (1,2) - spacing

Squall
00:20:171 (10,11) - spacing
00:30:214 (1,2) - spacing (maybe)
01:11:464 (12,1) - spacing

i can't mod sound, so yeah

note : i'm not an experienced mapper, there might be some mistakes.
Please re-check.

btw, this map looks nice, good luck on this !

Thanks, it helped

General
Needs better design. This could use a custom skin.
00:20:571 - bookmark here pls


Selphie
00:27:000 (2) - SPACING. omg . Put it at x280 y188
00:30:214 (1) - Yea too close mate just click this 00:30:214 (1,2,3,4) - then CTRL+J
00:35:571 (2) - same kind of problem as 00:27:000 (2) -

Use 1.5x DS more pls. Too much overlap with 1.2. Don't be scared to do this because there's still barely any room between the two notes. But enough that it looks so much better. Most of this whole diff needs this to be fixed. It will help you with the blankets as well. It'll look better.


Rinoa
00:36:285 (4) - Stack on (5) for flow
00:40:571 (4) - ^ same but this time for aesthetic purposes
00:50:214 (2,4) - stack properly
00:53:785 (2) - NC should be here
01:43:170 (3) - Might not want it perfectly there. It'll confuse people.


Squall
00:17:222 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Try to make this look prettier
01:38:283 (1,2,3,4) - CTRL+SHIFT+S and scale by .85
01:44:243 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - then snap these were they should be now

cirno- wrote:

General

Needs better design. This could use a custom skin. I 've been thinking about this but I don't know where to find one, do I have to make one myself or is there like a database? I cant really find good info on this

00:20:571 - bookmark here pls done


Selphie
00:27:000 (2) - SPACING. omg . Put it at x280 y188
00:30:214 (1) - Yea too close mate just click this 00:30:214 (1,2,3,4) - then CTRL+J
00:35:571 (2) - same kind of problem as 00:27:000 (2) -

Use 1.5x DS more pls. Too much overlap with 1.2. Don't be scared to do this because there's still barely any room between the two notes. But enough that it looks so much better. Most of this whole diff needs this to be fixed. It will help you with the blankets as well. It'll look better.

Fixed the precise sliders you pointed out with 1,3 DS and will take some time to look at the map thinking about your advice.

Rinoa
00:36:285 (4) - Stack on (5) for flow hmm I prefer the way it is now ^^
00:40:571 (4) - ^ same but this time for aesthetic purposes done
00:50:214 (2,4) - stack properly done
00:53:785 (2) - NC should be here I like my new combos with the measure xD
01:43:170 (3) - Might not want it perfectly there. It'll confuse people.hmm maybe you're right i'm gonna see how to change that


Squall
00:17:222 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11) - Try to make this look prettier I did something new
01:38:283 (1,2,3,4) - CTRL+SHIFT+S and scale by .85 That would be too easy ^^
01:44:243 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - then snap these were they should be now

Thanks a lot cirno

Please, DO NOT Kudos this post

SuperMoutarde wrote:

cirno- wrote:

General

Needs better design. This could use a custom skin. I 've been thinking about this but I don't know where to find one, do I have to make one myself or is there like a database? I cant really find good info on this

Well, you can't actually "find" one.

If you want to use someone else's skin (even if it's only a part of the skin), you should ask that person first if it's okay to use it on your map. Some options for your are:

That's basically it! If you ever need help making/applying a skin, just send me a PM!

EDIT: Please, also add an advise on the Beatmap's description telling people to redownload the beatmap if they had downloaded it before the date of the difficult name change. (Delphie Selphie)

Kitagami wrote:

Well, you can't actually "find" one.

If you want to use someone else's skin (even if it's only a part of the skin), you should ask that person first if it's okay to use it on your map. Some options for your are:

1. You can make your own skin. Please visit this topic to learn more about how to make skins.
2. You can ask specific people to make a custom skin for you. Just go around osu! community and search for people that are avaible to do so. Check their userpage, signatures, already ranked beatmaps that have skins, etc.
3. You can go into this forum and, if you find a skin/part of a skin you like and that combines with your beatmap, ask the person who made it if you can use it on your beatmap

That's basically it! If you ever need help making/applying a skin, just send me a PM!

EDIT: Please, also add an advise on the Beatmap's description telling people to redownload the beatmap if they had downloaded it before the date of the difficult name change. (Delphie Selphie)

Ok, thanks for the good advice again I might try to make a custom skin if I find some time for it then! I don't know how to thank you since you don't want kudos xD but yeah thanks again!

edit: I added a custom hitcircle

Black = suggestion.　 Blue = suggetion, but important thing for me. Red = Error Element.
These are all suggestions. so you will be able to reject them without reason.

[General]

1. I feel hitsound is loud. try this :3
   00:17:165 - 40%
   00:21:616 - 50%
   01:11:973 - 65%
   01:15:811 - 60%
   01:33:628 - 50%
2. and I notice, You didn't unify volume of all diff. if you have no reason, please unify it at least.
3. 01:26:119 - You have KIAI end here, but should snap KIAI to white tick.

[Selphie]

1. 00:34:473 (1,2) - It is a small thing. by adjusting the angle, will looks better?
   SPOILER

   
   

   428,260,34473,6,0,P|444:204|428:144,1,120,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0
   356,144,35544,2,0,P|340:200|356:260,1,120,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0

2. 01:11:973 (5) - BPM change here, so you should put Newcombo here I think.

[Rinoa]

1. 00:23:758 (1) - Remove New combo.
   00:25:901 (3) - Add New combo.
   00:28:044 (1) - Remove New combo.
   00:30:187 (4) - Add New combo.
2. 00:54:294 (3) - Why you use x1.4? Please move to x:248 y:160. and 00:55:187 (4) - , move to x:400 y:176.
3. 00:56:973 (8,1) - Try use Grid Lv4. You should make a slider with better spacing :3
4. 01:01:615 ~ 01:06:615 You made this part in other diff, so you need to make this part.
5. 01:11:973 (1) - Add New combo.
6. 01:18:014 (5) - I think should use x1.2.
7. 01:25:367 (6) - ^
8. 01:43:135 (3) - Completely overlaying the slider is not recommended.　It should be used in at least Insane.

[Squall]

1. 00:22:687 (3) - Add New combo.
2. 00:40:544 (7) - 1 grid up
3. 01:09:830 (7) - Add New combo.
4. 01:33:628 (1) - Resnap this note. You need to snap to fit the BPM after changing.
5. 01:43:136 (3) - Add New combo.
6. 01:46:350 (4) - ^

thanks for m4m :3
good luck<3

terametis wrote:

Black = suggestion.　 Blue = suggetion, but important thing for me. Red = Error Element.
These are all suggestions. so you will be able to reject them without reason.

[General]

1. I feel hitsound is loud. try this :3
   00:17:165 - 40%
   00:21:616 - 50%
   01:11:973 - 65%
   01:15:811 - 60%
   01:33:628 - 50%
2. and I notice, You didn't unify volume of all diff. if you have no reason, please unify it at least. Yes, thanks, I'm still hoping to find a btter (and louder) mp3 but for now I'm gonna do as you suggest
3. 01:26:119 - You have KIAI end here, but should snap KIAI to white tick.ok

[Selphie]

1. 00:34:473 (1,2) - It is a small thing. by adjusting the angle, will looks better?
   SPOILER

   
   

   428,260,34473,6,0,P|444:204|428:144,1,120,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0
   356,144,35544,2,0,P|340:200|356:260,1,120,0|2,0:0|0:0,0:0:0

   done, thx for the code
2. 01:11:973 (5) - BPM change here, so you should put Newcombo here I think.done

[Rinoa]

1. 00:23:758 (1) - Remove New combo. ok
   00:25:901 (3) - Add New combo. ok
   00:28:044 (1) - Remove New combo. ok
   00:30:187 (4) - Add New combo.ok
2. 00:54:294 (3) - Why you use x1.4? Please move to x:248 y:160. and 00:55:187 (4) - , move to x:400 y:176. thx, done
3. 00:56:973 (8,1) - Try use Grid Lv4. You should make a slider with better spacing :3 changed it a bit, I suck at this -_-
4. 01:01:615 ~ 01:06:615 You made this part in other diff, so you need to make this part. will do very soon, you're right Done
5. 01:11:973 (1) - Add New combo.ok
6. 01:18:014 (5) - I think should use x1.2. done
7. 01:25:367 (6) - ^ done
8. 01:43:135 (3) - Completely overlaying the slider is not recommended.　It should be used in at least Insane.But i like this part :'( welp you're the second mod to mention this so I guess I'm gonna have to find something new Changed

[Squall]

1. 00:22:687 (3) - Add New combo.ok
2. 00:40:544 (7) - 1 grid up yep, done
3. 01:09:830 (7) - Add New combo.ok
4. 01:33:628 (1) - Resnap this note. You need to snap to fit the BPM after changing. woops, thx, fixed
5. 01:43:136 (3) - Add New combo.ok
6. 01:46:350 (4) - ^ok

thanks for m4m :3
good luck<3

Thank you tera I have some work now on Rinoa diff ^^

EDIT: mapped the lacking moment in Riona diff, and replaced the completely overlapping sliders towards the end by something more normal

Hi SuperMoutarde for M4M pm in game
I'm Newbie to Mod but i will try it

My Idea is wrong so Sorry

Color Rule
Pink : It's ok do or not to do it's fine
Black : Please Fix it (by My idea other i don't know)
Blue : Recommend

[Selphie]
------------------------
00:39:115 Maybe use slide and end at 00:39:830
------------------------
[Rinoa]
------------------------
01:16:694 It is a note for hitsound Finish why you don't add it ?
01:18:459 ^^
01:20:223 ^^
01:21:988 ^^
01:23:753 ^^
------------------------
[Squall]
------------------------
01:16:694 It is a note for hitsound Finish why you don't add it ?
01:18:459 ^^
01:20:223 ^^
01:23:753 ^^
------------------------
Sorry for Rinoa & Squall it look like same because music is finish and you can use note form hitsound of music ( i mean note no hitsound but use sound in music)
Good Luck

Zazalng wrote:

Hi SuperMoutarde for M4M pm in game
I'm Newbie to Mod but i will try it

My Idea is wrong so Sorry

Color Rule
Pink : It's ok do or not to do it's fine
Black : Please Fix it (by My idea other i don't know)
Blue : Recommend

[Selphie]
------------------------
00:39:115 Maybe use slide and end at 00:39:830 Good idea, I changed it
------------------------
[Rinoa]
------------------------
01:16:694 It is a note for hitsound Finish why you don't add it ?
01:18:459 ^^
01:20:223 ^^
01:21:988 ^^
01:23:753 ^^
------------------------
[Squall]
------------------------
01:16:694 It is a note for hitsound Finish why you don't add it ?
01:18:459 ^^
01:20:223 ^^
01:23:753 ^^
------------------------
Sorry for Rinoa & Squall it look like same because music is finish and you can use note form hitsound of music ( i mean note no hitsound but use sound in music)
Good Luck

Thx for the mod I'm not sure wether to add those or not but this is an interesting idea, I'm testing it out now ^^

From M4M request~


good clam song lol good luck for rank! xD

mod4mod

[Squall]

1. 00:25:901 (1,2,3,4,5) make it more like a curve. maybe like this: http://puu.sh/1PJeG
   

   364,92,25901,6,0,P|356:140|364:196,1,89.9999999999999
   400,224,26437,1,0,0:0:0
   360,260,26616,1,0,0:0:0
   320,288,26794,1,0,0:0:0
   272,312,26973,2,0,P|224:320|176:312,1,89.9999999999999

   (and fix spacing)
2. 00:30:187 (1) a triangle would be very cool: place (1) at x:361 y:306 and fix spacing
3. 00:36:258 (1) rotate it a little bit (to make a line) / the second sliderpoint (with the repeat) to x:388 y:56
4. 00:42:508 (5,6,7,8) maybe connect it better to the slider (4) maybe like this: http://puu.sh/1Q5PO
5. 01:28:164 (3) add finish?

[Rinoa]

1. 00:18:476 (3) put it to x:356 y:188 and (4) to x:184 y:176 , so it stacks to (1)
2. 00:58:758 (2) and 01:00:901 (6) I would place each of them one beat earlier :/ ,but it's no big problem, so you don't need to fix it
3. 01:05:008 (1) rotate it a little bit because it's hard to read in this pattern
4. 01:28:164 (2) add a finish at the beginning of the slider?
5. 01:37:614 add new combo?

[Selphie]

1. 00:23:758 maybe form it to a square? like this: http://puu.sh/1Q67m
2. 01:10:901 (3) put it to x:284 y:168 (it's hard to read for easy-players)

Hope it helps and Good Luck!

HelloSCV wrote:

AIBat
MP3 Bitrate ( current birate is 64kb/s plz fix this ) Fixed. Now 117kbps
Inconsistency in Source Fixed
Inconsistency in uninherited (red) timing sections Fixed

Selphie
AR -1, OD -3, HP -4 ( so high for easy :p ) Ahah ok I thought that new players still need some challenge xD. Done

01:49:566 (4) - Unsnapped circle - by AIBat Seems snapped to me. Either I fixed it when i first saw your post and I don't remember or I don't know what you're talking about xD

01:49:923 (5) - finish Done

Rinoa
OD -1 ok

00:35:901 (3,7) - add whistle Done
00:53:758 (2) - ^ on end Done
01:02:330 (2) - ^ Done
01:04:115 (5) - whistle Done
01:37:614 (5) - NC? hmm no I like it this way NC would break the pace imo
01:44:207 (1) - deleteNC Well I had done this then someone modded to add NC lol. Both make sense, I'm gonna think about it ^^
01:49:207 (4) - whistle on start Done
01:50:636 (2) - ^ on end Done

Squall
01:32:257 (1) - Unsnapped circle - by AIBat this is on purpose, np

00:35:544 (6) - whistle on end? I already had that in my version, not sure if because I had read your post and I forgot but yeah agreed ^^
01:48:850 (3) - delete whistle on end Done

good clam song lol good luck for rank! xD thx!

Thanks a lot for the mod, HelloSCV

GamerX4life wrote:

[Squall]

1. 00:25:901 (1,2,3,4,5) make it more like a curve. maybe like this: http://puu.sh/1PJeG
   

   364,92,25901,6,0,P|356:140|364:196,1,89.9999999999999
   400,224,26437,1,0,0:0:0
   360,260,26616,1,0,0:0:0
   320,288,26794,1,0,0:0:0
   272,312,26973,2,0,P|224:320|176:312,1,89.9999999999999

   (and fix spacing)
   
   Thx for the code but it's my code not the one of your image that you gave xD. I fixed using your img, thx ^^
   
2. 00:30:187 (1) a triangle would be very cool: place (1) at x:361 y:306 and fix spacing done
3. 00:36:258 (1) rotate it a little bit (to make a line) / the second sliderpoint (with the repeat) to x:388 y:56 done
4. 00:42:508 (5,6,7,8) maybe connect it better to the slider (4) maybe like this: http://puu.sh/1Q5PO done
5. 01:28:164 (3) add finish? I considered this already but it sounds weird without on 6 too, and with both it's too much, so yeah nothing ^^

[Rinoa]

1. 00:18:476 (3) put it to x:356 y:188 and (4) to x:184 y:176 , so it stacks to (1) done
2. 00:58:758 (2) and 01:00:901 (6) I would place each of them one beat earlier :/ ,but it's no big problem, so you don't need to fix it hmm no it's fine like it is
3. 01:05:008 (1) rotate it a little bit because it's hard to read in this pattern done
4. 01:28:164 (2) add a finish at the beginning of the slider? hmm no
5. 01:37:614 add new combo?hmm ok

[Selphie]

1. 00:23:758 maybe form it to a square? like this: http://puu.sh/1Q67m done
2. 01:10:901 (3) put it to x:284 y:168 (it's hard to read for easy-players)done

Hope it helps and Good Luck!

Many thanks for mod

Sorry, but i don't want to mod this song :/

Cancel wrote:

Sorry, but i don't want to mod this song :/

np, but why even bother posting here, then? meh, whatever

Mod, hmm unique songs~ Its time to hear something freshly new

[General]
[Selphie]

You need to increase OD+1 the high bpm need to match harshness of map and OD+1 will help, and increase AR by 1 if you want to.

[Rinoa]

Likewise in Selphie diff you should increase OD+1 because of the harshness of the bpm.

[Squall]

Increase AR+1 for this diff, because of high bpm basically.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This map need more work imo , Hopefully my mod helped you :>

Good Luck~

From my Queue~ this maps is so good

Taris wrote:

Mod, hmm unique songs~ Its time to hear something freshly new

[General]

1. I think you should uncheck letterbox during breaks since you have no breaks. Make sure if you do this to 1 diff you do it to the others diff too for consistency. ok
2. Your diff names are confusing, at the very least you should translate your diff name into the standard diff name like : Easy,Normal,Hard etc. make sure you put this in creator words, the little box thingy where you tell the world about your map.You're the second person to mention this, meh, I just changed the diff names to Easy, Normal, Hard

[Selphie]

You need to increase OD+1 the high bpm need to match harshness of map and OD+1 will help
and increase AR by 1 if you want to.nah it's easy diff, another mod told me to put maximum what is is now

1. 00:33:654 - You should add a note here, the pause between note 3 and note 4 feel really off especially when there is clearly beats / music in this part. if you want easier rhythm you should make 00:33:297 (3) - a slider. Yeah, added a circle
2. 00:57:225 - ^ same thing above.^
3. 01:01:155 (1) - New combo in wrong spot imo, it also break your new combo pattern because you didn't add a new combo here : 00:42:940 (3) - If you remove it I have the place you can put new combo in next suggestion. ok
4. 01:02:226 (1) - It feels more appropriate if you add new combo here, since this is where there is a change in music and it will be consistent with your previous pattern.
5. 01:11:868 (3) - Finish missing here, why did you not add it here? There is a big bang here and its similar to the other places you put finishes, If you want you can lower the volume of this finish since its sound a bit softer here.there is no big bang to me here ^^ I like it as it is
6. 01:29:131 (1) - My personal taste, but whistle to the start of this does not sound bad, maybe you should add it. if you add it there make sure you add it to the start of 01:30:014 (2) - too good idea, done
7. 01:50:533 (4) - Similar to the combo's above you should add new combo here, generally combo's shouldn't be over 6 in this diff and you didn't put them that way.ok, done, i will remember that
8. 01:30:896 (1) - Spinner end too early imo, move spinner end 1 tick forward. Since there is a sudden silence in music you should add a inherited timing point and put volume to 5%. I dont think it ends too early but agreed to lower volume on the hitsound, done
9. Rhythm is good and consistent, in this diff :> Ty^^

[Rinoa]

Likewise in Selphie diff you should increase OD+1 because of the harshness of the bpm. Mods keep telling me to change it one way or another, I'll see what I do But I'm not sure I'll be changing that one

1. 00:20:591 (5) - New combo here, It fits really even though its short. It fits to the mood of the song, there even a change of tone.Well you're the second one to mention that so I guess I'm gonna have to do it even though I really think one combo fo the whole intro feels right
2. 00:18:132 (1) - Decrease the volume of this note a little? sound it a bit loud to me Yeah, the whole intro, even, now that you mention it. I reduced to 40%
3. 00:20:591 (5) - Spacing error, move this up more to fix, make sure if you fix this these two notes : 00:21:082 (6,7) - line up with note 5 or it'll look really bad.fixed
4. 00:29:011 (1) - Remove new combo here, since there is really no need, if you want to keep it though you need to add it 00:34:368 (4) - you should really fix it using either ways I told you above.Agreed I had done it first then a mod told me to change but this feels better, back to this
5. 00:36:154 (2) - Placement is messy here, and what I mean by messy is stacking, you need to put this note's position the same as 00:34:368 (4) - it'll be better imo. fixed
6. 00:27:940 (2) - Another big spacing error :< please check your spacing's more carefully. usually I don't notice these things off the bat but wooooh this one is pretty big fixed, i did full recheck of the DS
   Oh and you should still make this note blanket 00:26:868 (1) - slider end.fixed
7. 00:30:082 (3) - This slider looks extremely ugly, it freaks me out. make sure you fix the shape and move it up a little bit o.o it feels cramped up with the other notes. lol's but you're right though, I did something new which looks much better
8. 00:35:440 (1) - Oh I notice another big spacing error here, make sure you fix it and change the spacing of other notes correctly. fixed
9. 00:41:690 - Rhythm wise, it would be a good idea to add a note here. there is a clearly a beat here and what a perfect place to put it too! it won't affect movement Well there's obviously a note here but I thought adding it might be a bit too hard for normal diff? I will think about this, not adding yet
10. 00:42:761 - If you do the above, For consistency you should add a note here as well.^
    00:41:511 (4) - and I just noticed if you do the above you should add new combo, either way you adding a new combo here won't hurt. I think it's fine like it is
11. 00:38:297 (6,7) - You should move this to the left to fix spacing for the upcoming note, Oh and I noticed note 7 doesn't line up with note 6 so I think you should do that + move to the left. fixed
12. 01:05:975 (1) - Remove new combo, reason already mentioned above. ok
13. 00:46:154 (1) - Oh snaps another noticeable spacing error D: you reaallllllllyyy need to check spacing in this diff because it seems pretty messed and makes it look like you didn't use distance snap. ^
14. 01:26:337 (6,7) - ^ ^
    01:27:367 (2,3,4) - ^^
    01:35:630 (2) - ^ ^
    This DIFF need TOTAL remap, Your placement is really bad, notes are squished together and overall map looks messy, tbh I think you just put notes down and only worry about rhythm. There are many spacing errors, Probably more that I missed. Please at the very least check spacing on this map, It look pretty incosistent. Did full recheck on distance snapping and tried to make better placements. Thx

[Squall]

Increase AR+1 for this diff, because of high bpm basically. done

1. 00:20:591 (9) - Similar to the other diffs, Add new combo here.
2. 01:10:082 (2) - To be consistent here add a new combo :> ok
3. 01:18:249 (4) - ^ ^
4. 01:25:308 (4) - ^ ^
   00:41:511 (7) - Meh new combo here as well really, ^, also added NC on 00:43:475 btw
   Overall your best diff, but placement could still be improved, rhythm is fine.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This map need more work imo , Hopefully my mod helped you :> It sure did!

Good Luck~

Thanks for the awesome mod! I am gonna try to make Rinoa the normal diff (lol) look better and work on the overall design, then will update new version

edit: done, new version updated with full DS recheck on both Easy and Normal diff, plus some other improvements to try and make the placement overall better in these diff

hi
found issues. you must fix those.

[General]

1. has three mp3 files. you must remove two.
2. remove "hitcircleselect.png". its image does not need on beatmap.
3. You must add "approachcircle.png". "hitcircle.png", "hitcircleoverlay.png" and "approachcircle.png" should be set.

NewRulerNA wrote:

hi
found issues. you must fix those.

[General]

1. has three mp3 files. you must remove two. -_- No idea how this happenned, I was pretty sure I removed those from the folder before updating. Fixed
2. remove "hitcircleselect.png". its image does not need on beatmap.ok
3. You must add "approachcircle.png". "hitcircle.png", "hitcircleoverlay.png" and "approachcircle.png" should be set.ok

Thank you!

Natsu wrote:

From my Queue~ this maps is so good Thank you

Missing Skin Files
approachcircle.png ok
reversearrow.png Do I really have to or is this suggestion? I think the standard arrow is fine so if it's ok I dont want to override this

Try to reduce vol of hitsounds since sound bad so highly imo ok, I'm gonna change this

and slider tick sound ugly try to use this:
http://puu.sh/1QXYA thx for the suggestion and link, will consider when changing volume settings

Thanks for modding!

Try this

1. Offset: 18,139ms BPM: 183.00
2. Offset: 22,581ms BPM: 168.00
3. Offset: 72,940ms BPM: 148.00
4. Offset: 76,767ms BPM: 204.00
5. Offset: 89,070ms BPM: 200.00
6. Offset: 90,870ms BPM: 210.00
7. Offset: 92,571ms BPM: 192.50
8. Offset: 94,647ms BPM: 183.00
10. Offset: 103,036ms BPM: 168.00

Really weird timing >_> Some of it I'm still not really sure on, but this got much better accuracy for the majority of the map.

Garven wrote:

Try this

1. Offset: 18,139ms BPM: 183.00
2. Offset: 22,581ms BPM: 168.00
3. Offset: 72,940ms BPM: 148.00
4. Offset: 76,767ms BPM: 204.00
5. Offset: 89,070ms BPM: 200.00
6. Offset: 90,870ms BPM: 210.00
7. Offset: 92,571ms BPM: 192.50
8. Offset: 94,647ms BPM: 183.00
10. Offset: 103,036ms BPM: 168.00

Really weird timing >_> Some of it I'm still not really sure on, but this got much better accuracy for the majority of the map.

Well I was wondering if I should add one offset, but actually it was more than this! Thank you so much for this, it does feel much more accurate now! I'm fixing all diff with this and will upload new version. Thanks again!

edit: done, new version is uploaded

You don't need a custom reversearrow. The reason the circle parts are insisted upon is that having some but not all would clash pretty badly with some skins. Same thing goes for HP bar elements if you ever use custom ones. Those things are in the rules because it's the most visible place to put things like this that are so easy to overlook.

Note: I started hitsound modding, but decided it'd take a while and isn't worth including unless it's asked for. If you want to talk hitsounds, PM me on forum or ingame and if I have time, I'll help out. What you have now is plenty serviceable though.

Same goes for timing. It's late. I don't have the attention span to fine-tune timing. I could maybe help on a weekend when I'm well-rested though.

[General]
The video offset is about a second too early. Change it to 2101ms. It'll make the video start a bit after the song but it also makes the dance coincide with the music like it does in the game. Watch Squall's leg at 01:16:767 to see what I mean.

Not a big fan of the combobursts. The art styles on the pics really clash with the bg pic and video. I actually think skinning out the combobursts looks pretty nice on here, because you still get the stars and light flash. If you want to try it, here's a transparent 1x1 png to use: http://puu.sh/1Rm6y

Think you could find an mp3 with a bit more fadeout? It sounds kind of abrupt here, when this is the kind of song/video pair that's asking for a good fadeout. If you want, maybe even quieten the part of the mp3 a little bit here since it's after the dance and they're standing outside. It would be a nice touch.

[Easy]
01:16:767 (1) - Kiai section - I know it's Easy but this part needs more motion. This is the big dance. This is where Squall gets his shit together and tears up the dance floor. Try using sliders for this whole kiai section.

[Normal]
01:16:767 (1) - Kiai section - same as in Easy. I'd even recommend increasing the slider velocity some in this difficulty, maybe to 1.25 or so. You can do this by placing inherited (green) sections with the slider speed change on the same offsets as the red ones that have kiai markers. This will give it more feeling without pushing the challenge too much.

01:43:036 (1) - Nothing wrong here, but it seems a bit emphasized for the outro. Maybe move some sliders closer to the edges of the screen.

[Hard]
01:09:009 (2,3,4) - Try making these into a short slider that bounces back on 3. Makes it feel a little "quieter". Just simple like this will do:

01:16:767 (1) - Kiai section - same as in Normal (including slider speed boost). Maybe put a bit of a jump between some sliders (I can illustrate this in more detail if you'd like).

01:28:825 (1,2,3) - Even though the spacing is "correct", this looks more ilke a spacing error while playing than a deliberate notice of a timing change. Change 1-2 to a slider to cover this up; this should also make it easier for the player to notice 3's approach circle.

[ok that's enough for now]
I've been typing this post off and on for like two hours. It doesn't help that I tend to write paragraphs in my mod posts... Maybe I should post what's here and let you sort it out. Let me know if anything doesn't make sense or if you need help doing anything I suggested!

Soaprman wrote:

You don't need a custom reversearrow. The reason the circle parts are insisted upon is that having some but not all would clash pretty badly with some skins. Same thing goes for HP bar elements if you ever use custom ones. Those things are in the rules because it's the most visible place to put things like this that are so easy to overlook. Ok, so I've got all the files I need ^^

Note: I started hitsound modding, but decided it'd take a while and isn't worth including unless it's asked for. If you want to talk hitsounds, PM me on forum or ingame and if I have time, I'll help out. What you have now is plenty serviceable though. Well I'm never against an advice but it's probably not the part that needs more improvement

Same goes for timing. It's late. I don't have the attention span to fine-tune timing. I could maybe help on a weekend when I'm well-rested though. This is a more important issue, what version have you been playing? Did you re-download today? I just changed timing after Garven's post who made the timing much more refined that it was (with three more offsets and BPMs). If you've been playing on the latest version and you think you can still help improve timing, I will be very grateful

[General]
The video offset is about a second too early. Change it to 2101ms. It'll make the video start a bit after the song but it also makes the dance coincide with the music like it does in the game. Watch Squall's leg at 01:16:767 to see what I mean. thx, fixed

Not a big fan of the combobursts. The art styles on the pics really clash with the bg pic and video. I actually think skinning out the combobursts looks pretty nice on here, because you still get the stars and light flash. If you want to try it, here's a transparent 1x1 png to use: http://puu.sh/1Rm6y I get what you mean that i clashes a bit but I don't understand the second part -_- mm I ll try to change maybe, but I don't think it's that bad

Think you could find an mp3 with a bit more fadeout? It sounds kind of abrupt here, when this is the kind of song/video pair that's asking for a good fadeout. If you want, maybe even quieten the part of the mp3 a little bit here since it's after the dance and they're standing outside. It would be a nice touch.I already changed the mp3, first one was really crappy xD, I have a hard time finding a better one and I'm not the best with audio editors but I'll keep searchin for a better one

[Easy]
01:16:767 (1) - Kiai section - I know it's Easy but this part needs more motion. This is the big dance. This is where Squall gets his shit together and tears up the dance floor. Try using sliders for this whole kiai section. I felt there was smth wrong but I couldnt put the finger on it, definitely feels better with more sliders here. Changed

[Normal]
01:16:767 (1) - Kiai section - same as in Easy. I'd even recommend increasing the slider velocity some in this difficulty, maybe to 1.25 or so. You can do this by placing inherited (green) sections with the slider speed change on the same offsets as the red ones that have kiai markers. This will give it more feeling without pushing the challenge too much. good idea, changed

01:43:036 (1) - Nothing wrong here, but it seems a bit emphasized for the outro. Maybe move some sliders closer to the edges of the screen. hmm I think it's ok, I've considered not mapping this at all, but the map is short that it would be a shame to not map this

[Hard]
01:09:009 (2,3,4) - Try making these into a short slider that bounces back on 3. Makes it feel a little "quieter". Just simple like this will do:

SPOILER

changed

01:16:767 (1) - Kiai section - same as in Normal (including slider speed boost). Maybe put a bit of a jump between some sliders (I can illustrate this in more detail if you'd like). changed too

01:28:825 (1,2,3) - Even though the spacing is "correct", this looks more ilke a spacing error while playing than a deliberate notice of a timing change. Change 1-2 to a slider to cover this up; this should also make it easier for the player to notice 3's approach circle. yeah spacing was wrong, fixed

[ok that's enough for now]
I've been typing this post off and on for like two hours. It doesn't help that I tend to write paragraphs in my mod posts... Maybe I should post what's here and let you sort it out. Let me know if anything doesn't make sense or if you need help doing anything I suggested!

Thanks a lot for the mod, I'm working on improving the kiai times as you suggested. If you could confirm which version you were playing, for timing help, it would be great.

[Easy]

00:29:009 (3,1) - Hm, I don't think the transition from one to the other note is so nice. Slider goes up at the end wehile we need to go down with the mouse.
01:09:723 (2) - ctrl + g? Maybe not good because of spacing. But would have a nice flow.

Well, that's all for Easy. Really nice one.

[Normal]

Nothing to say here. Nice one as well.

[Hard]
00:35:259 (3,1) - not a big problem, but I dunno if it is really a good idea to change the spacing. *shrugs*
00:37:223 (1,2) - See? You didn't done it here as well.
00:46:509 (1,2) - Great!
00:59:188 (1,2,3) - Maybe make it looking a bit rounder?
01:12:402 (6,1) - Spacing again.
{
01:28:237 (6,1,2,3) - Problem here, the high pitch starts at 01:28:605
Try to have at 01:27:649~01:28:384 a gap, like a imposing break. And then you could start here 01:28:531 with a slider which has reverse arrows up to 01:29:070 ?
}
01:36:614 (1) - Could be made rounder.
01:49:821 (3,4,5) - different spacing.

Yeah, that should it be.
I have enjoyed your difficulties, that's why I'm giving you a star.
Hope I could help you somehow and wish you good luck on it!

hi M4M
Commancing Operation ~
[Easy]
00:22:581 (1) and 00:24:723 (3) - add whistle?
00:46:152 (1) - add whistle too? + make the sound more louder from here?
00:59:009 (1) - from here .... you see if you make ^ louder = make this a bit lower
01:07:581 (1) - again louder
01:34:647 (1) - if ^ do it = a lower sound here
01:54:821 (4) - use sound 10% (with inhereit timing / the green one)

[Normal]
00:18:139 (1,2,3,4,1,2,3) - please on that part make the sound lower to louder... its make good sound
00:41:509 (4) - can you make like this?
00:41:866 (5) - new combo?
00:42:581 (6) - make like this?
00:46:152 (1) - louder part
00:45:438 (4) - the number note and the reserve note on slider add whistle? the no symbol note dont use anything
01:05:438 (6) - new combo
01:34:647 (1) - the lower sound part
01:54:821 (8) - 10% sound again

[Hard]
00:18:139 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3) - like normal beginning part again.... lower to louder
00:45:438 (1) - louder part
00:46:509 (1) - the last note on slider use whistle
00:48:652 (2) - ^
00:50:973 (2) - reserve note with slider please
00:51:509 (3) - the number note on slider use whistle too
00:52:938 (7) - ^
00:53:652 (9) - ^
00:55:795 (6) - ^
00:55:259 (3) - use whistle
00:57:223 (3) - use whistle on the number note
01:08:295 (5) - whistle
01:09:009 (2,4) - whistle
01:10:438 (6) - whistle
01:11:866 (5) - the number and no symbol note use whistle
01:12:402 (6) - the reserver note use whistle
01:12:940 (1) - number note use whistle
01:32:571 (1) - whistle
01:33:506 (1) - use finish
01:34:647 (1) - the lower sound part
01:54:821 (5) - 10% again

well.... dont understand? just pm me.... btw you need more make better hitsound for more good sound

Timing check.

Stuff like 00:33:295 (5,6,7) - sounds a bit off, but it's not the timing fault. Just the instruments sometimes don't follow the metronome well. Right timing later, for example, at 00:35:616 (1,2,3,4) - proofs it.
This doesn't need to be changed since the timing is quite static here.

Doubles in kiai like 01:17:208 (2,3) - are a bit early placed. Well, that's again not a timing fault because stuff earlier and later sound fine. Look at 01:22:943 (1) - 01:20:296 (2) - 01:18:531 (4) - they all are fine. Still, all these doubles sound better if placed 1/6 later. I mean, 01:17:208 (2,3) - 01:18:972 (5,6) - 01:24:266 (2,3) - should be probably moved 1/6 forward. Still, the most precise fix for me is to move first note 1/6 later and second note 1/12 later, but that is kinda too much... 1/6 everywhere could be enough. Ask someone else about these doubles for a double-check.

Also, while I'm here, I have to say that 01:28:825 (1,2,3) - is too hard to read. Replace last two circles with a single slider.
You should add more sliders generally. As well as here: 01:30:870 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,1,1) -
Timing changes are unexpectable, so placing sliders to make it clear is a good idea.

Also this one: 01:31:417 (3) - should probably be moved 1/12 earlier... Timing is fine again because next note is on-spot, but this one is a bit off.

Overall: timing is perfect, but some notes in the music do not follow the metronome good enough. It can be fixed by finding proper beat snapping, like moving 1/12 later or earlier, but that is sometimes not a good solution. 1/12 snapped notes are hard to play, so using a static beat snapping is always better. Still, there are some ways to make the timing good and not to hurt the gameplay. You may try it, for example here:
01:30:870 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Here, I did suggest to move first (3) note 1/12 earlier. Also I said that it's a good idea to add sliders. So, if you don't want to make gameplay harder and want to still follow the music perfectly, you can place tricky notes on slider ends. Player doesn't need to press anything on slider ends, so that doesn't hurt gameplay. Try this here:

grumd wrote:

Timing check.

Stuff like 00:33:295 (5,6,7) - sounds a bit off, but it's not the timing fault. Just the instruments sometimes don't follow the metronome well. Right timing later, for example, at 00:35:616 (1,2,3,4) - proofs it. Yeah, I had placed 00:37:223 (1,2,3,4,5) using 1/12 snap divisor when first mapping the song
This doesn't need to be changed since the timing is quite static here.

Doubles in kiai like 01:17:208 (2,3) - are a bit early placed. Well, that's again not a timing fault because stuff earlier and later sound fine. Look at 01:22:943 (1) - 01:20:296 (2) - 01:18:531 (4) - they all are fine. Still, all these doubles sound better if placed 1/6 later. I mean, 01:17:208 (2,3) - 01:18:972 (5,6) - 01:24:266 (2,3) - should be probably moved 1/6 forward. Still, the most precise fix for me is to move first note 1/6 later and second note 1/12 later, but that is kinda too much... 1/6 everywhere could be enough. Ask someone else about these doubles for a double-check. I had originally snapped these double using 1/3 snap divisor, so basically placing them 1/6 later as you suggest, because a lot of notes are placed on 1/3 beats during this moment, but the music sheet says they should be on 1/2 beats so I changed it. Gonna do more testing with this :/

Also, while I'm here, I have to say that 01:28:825 (1,2,3) - is too hard to read. Replace last two circles with a single slider.
You should add more sliders generally. As well as here: 01:30:870 (1,2,3,1,2,3,1,1,1,1) -
Timing changes are unexpectable, so placing sliders to make it clear is a good idea. Ok

Also this one: 01:31:417 (3) - should probably be moved 1/12 earlier... Timing is fine again because next note is on-spot, but this one is a bit off.

Overall: timing is perfect, but some notes in the music do not follow the metronome good enough. It can be fixed by finding proper beat snapping, like moving 1/12 later or earlier, but that is sometimes not a good solution. 1/12 snapped notes are hard to play, so using a static beat snapping is always better. Still, there are some ways to make the timing good and not to hurt the gameplay. You may try it, for example here:
01:30:870 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - Here, I did suggest to move first (3) note 1/12 earlier. Also I said that it's a good idea to add sliders. So, if you don't want to make gameplay harder and want to still follow the music perfectly, you can place tricky notes on slider ends. Player doesn't need to press anything on slider ends, so that doesn't hurt gameplay. Try this here:

Thanks a lot for this. What is the best way to handle those notes that are placed 1/12 or so too early/late, though? Is it ok, from a rankability point of view, to place notes on 1/12 beats? Or is is better to always add more timing sections, even if it's only for a couple notes, so that notes are snapped on 1/4 or 1/3?

For instance, 00:34:545 (1,2,3) could use a timing section, maybe? Or is it better to place them on 1/12 beats.

Thanks for your help! Gonna be using them sliders, thanks for the tip

Actually, placing few notes on a 1/12 and adding another red lines for the sake of 1/4 is the same.
As I already said, the best way for such tricky notes is to cover them by sliders, that makes it more readable. Extra timing sections are not needed, timing is perfect.

grumd wrote:

Actually, placing few notes on a 1/12 and adding another red lines for the sake of 1/4 is the same.
As I already said, the best way for such tricky notes is to cover them by sliders, that makes it more readable. Extra timing sections are not needed, timing is perfect.

Here's what I ended up doing for now:

Notes that are a bit off during 168bpm section: no change, as you suggested, and I feel like this part is playable without problem

Doubles in kiai time: I have the feeling they aren't all the same :/
01:22:502 (5,6) - seem correct on 1/2 beats
01:18:972 (5,6) - are like both 1/12 beats late or smth close
but 01:17:208 (2,3) - have more delay (i.e. what you indicated, around 1/6 early for first and 1/12 for second)
So for now I let all of them snapped on 1/4, to leave it playable. Fixing with sliders to "hide" the delays wouldn't really fit for there so I'm not sure what I should do :/

01:28:825 (1,2,3) I added sliders for easier play on the rythm changes

01:31:417 (3) should definitely be smth like 1/12 earlier but I feel like 01:31:012 (2) as well as 01:31:870 (2) are a bit off too. Maybe this timing section is not perfect? Anyway I changed to what you suggested with the sliders



Thanks for helping!

M4M

Easy

00:42:938 (3) - NC remove next
01:22:061 (3) - Not visible enough, due to the preview slider overlapping
01:51:250 (3) - Remove Finish add on next element

Normal

00:39:723 (1,2) - Too hard for beginners, try something different
00:55:259 (3) - Two repeats might confuse new players, make just one and add a circle after
01:11:866 (5,6) - Like 00:39:723
01:17:208 (2,3,5,6) - Dont make them in an Easy or Normal diff, they are too sudden and not readable and also too hard for players which just starded osu
01:22:502 (4,5,2,3,6,7,3,4) - ^
01:21:472 - Add circle, to make a better transition to the next slider
01:23:384 (1) - Also confuses newbies, since its on a 1/2 tick, move it to preview white tick and make it longer up to the next white tick
01:29:070 (1) - Remove NC
01:41:040 (5,6,7) - This pattern doesnt work out, first you can see the slider good, the end, since there are hitbursts which might hide the repeat arrow but there is none atm but still, the second is the one thing i already said about the 2 circles. The pattern doesnt work out how it is now, the slider should be fully visible
01:51:250 (1) - Remove NC add on next element
01:51:250 (1) - Add finish instead of the preview one, delete the finish on 01:50:893 (5) -

Hard

00:23:652 (1,1) - Remove NC
00:34:366 (9) - Unstack them to give better playability and flow
00:59:009 (9) - NC remove next
01:00:795 (6) - NC
01:28:090 (5,6) - This is not visible, move them up above the circles before
01:31:012 (2) - Delete this circle
01:30:870 (1) - Remove NC
01:31:441 (2,1,2) - This doesnt sound right, its not placed well on the timeline and doesnt go to the music maybe delete these 01:31:441 (2,1,2,3,1) - and add a spinner instead since the violin goes, make the spinner end at 01:32:571 -
01:39:237 (1,1,1,1,1) - Too many NC, reduce them
01:44:107 (1,1) - Remove NC

GL and don't bug again, i never forgot someone so far, and i'm no machine ;w;

OnosakiHito

SE_Soul:

BounceBabe:

Thanks for modding ^^

SuperMoutarde wrote:

01:31:417 (3) should definitely be smth like 1/12 earlier but I feel like 01:31:012 (2) as well as 01:31:870 (2) are a bit off too. Maybe this timing section is not perfect? Anyway I changed to what you suggested with the sliders

Timing is fine since 01:30:870 (1) - and 01:31:727 (1) - sound on-spot. It's just the song being untimeable and non-rhythmic... You can do nothing about it, in any way it would be poorly playable.

grumd wrote:

SuperMoutarde wrote:

01:31:417 (3) should definitely be smth like 1/12 earlier but I feel like 01:31:012 (2) as well as 01:31:870 (2) are a bit off too. Maybe this timing section is not perfect? Anyway I changed to what you suggested with the sliders

Timing is fine since 01:30:870 (1) - and 01:31:727 (1) - sound on-spot. It's just the song being untimeable and non-rhythmic... You can do nothing about it, in any way it would be poorly playable.

Would you consider this unrankable issue? If so, maybe give up on this hard part and add spinner instead like I had done in the first place? (which would be a shame, plz don't answer yes, lol)