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What is consider as average for osu! standard?

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Ekaru
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Joined July 2008
Ekaru

zhurai wrote:

hmm...so I guess I'm not average D:
then again I haven't really cared much about streaming or practicing it... >_> oh well
Actually, a ton of people on the forums are relatively hardcore and, as such, have a skewed up perception of what average is.

I'd say that you are probably pretty average from a global standpoint. The majority of players just play for fun and don't care that much about becoming good, so they eventually cap out at a Hard-ish skill level. At least, that's what the statistics I mentioned earlier suggest - on maps with a large amount of plays there's often a big gap in the amount of completed plays between Hard and Insane - and it makes sense; there's a natural progression from Easy up to your average Hard, but to do Insanes you pretty much *have* to play a bunch of Insanes because they are their own beast. Since learning how to stream actually takes effort (*gasp* THE HORROR!) a lot of players just stick with what they can already do.

Now, as for what's "average" when it comes to hardcore players... That's obviously a lot higher.
silmarilen
5,579 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

Ekaru wrote:

zhurai wrote:

hmm...so I guess I'm not average D:
then again I haven't really cared much about streaming or practicing it... >_> oh well
Actually, a ton of people on the forums are relatively hardcore and, as such, have a skewed up perception of what average is.

I'd say that you are probably pretty average from a global standpoint. The majority of players just play for fun and don't care that much about becoming good, so they eventually cap out at a Hard-ish skill level. At least, that's what the statistics I mentioned earlier suggest - on maps with a large amount of plays there's often a big gap in the amount of completed plays between Hard and Insane - and it makes sense; there's a natural progression from Easy up to your average Hard, but to do Insanes you pretty much *have* to play a bunch of Insanes because they are their own beast. Since learning how to stream actually takes effort (*gasp* THE HORROR!) a lot of players just stick with what they can already do.

Now, as for what's "average" when it comes to hardcore players... That's obviously a lot higher.
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winber1
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Joined February 2010
winber1

silmarilen wrote:

MillhioreF wrote:

I'd place my personal opinion on average as around PP rank 5000-20000. That's the skill level where Hards and easier Insanes are good difficulties.
yea thats about the range i would put as average aswell, although 5k is already pretty skillful, so maybe more like 10-20k
and i thot i sucked.

should i rethink my values now
she_old
she_old
I still suck
druidxd
170 posts
Joined May 2011
druidxd

Aqo wrote:

Skills that an average osu!standard player is expected to have in 2012:

- Be able to get accuracy above 90% on OD7 on anything that is not a stream map
- Be able to stream up to at least 180bpm for quite a while (at least 20 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR9 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 1.8 per bpm up to 200 with up to at least 1.0 DS on object spacing

Skills for somewhat higher standard average osu!standard player:

- Be able to get accuracy above 95% on OD7 on anything including stream maps (even if it takes retries)
- Be able to stream up to at least 200bpm for quite a while (at least 50 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR10 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 2.5 per bpm up to 240 with up to at least 1.4 DS on object spacing, as well as CS5 on lower speeds than 180bpm

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

druidxd wrote:

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.
Don't you play DTHD... how can you even have trouble reading AR10 then

sup with all the people having trouble with ARs that's like the easiest aspect of the game compared to everything else
zhurai
35 posts
Joined December 2010
zhurai

Ekaru wrote:

zhurai wrote:

hmm...so I guess I'm not average D:
then again I haven't really cared much about streaming or practicing it... >_> oh well
Actually, a ton of people on the forums are relatively hardcore and, as such, have a skewed up perception of what average is.

I'd say that you are probably pretty average from a global standpoint. The majority of players just play for fun and don't care that much about becoming good, so they eventually cap out at a Hard-ish skill level. At least, that's what the statistics I mentioned earlier suggest - on maps with a large amount of plays there's often a big gap in the amount of completed plays between Hard and Insane - and it makes sense; there's a natural progression from Easy up to your average Hard, but to do Insanes you pretty much *have* to play a bunch of Insanes because they are their own beast. Since learning how to stream actually takes effort (*gasp* THE HORROR!) a lot of players just stick with what they can already do.

Now, as for what's "average" when it comes to hardcore players... That's obviously a lot higher.
ah

heh.. I can do some insanes, but I feel those are the lower ones

my reading of some of the higher AR's have at least improved though, and I do plan to learn streaming... but focusing on other stuff atm >_< ah well

EDIT: I do want to get good... but >_> eh, kinda focusing on other games atm
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druidxd
170 posts
Joined May 2011
druidxd

Aqo wrote:

druidxd wrote:

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.
Don't you play DTHD... how can you even have trouble reading AR10 then

sup with all the people having trouble with ARs that's like the easiest aspect of the game compared to everything else
I do play DT+HD, or HD if bpm is already really high, and I used to think that I could play AR10 easily, but then someone told me that Airman is not ar10 and then I realised that AR10 maps (like this one: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 (CRN -AR10-)) fuck me over and over.
RaneFire
1,181 posts
Joined May 2011
RaneFire

Aqo wrote:

druidxd wrote:

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.
Don't you play DTHD... how can you even have trouble reading AR10 then

sup with all the people having trouble with ARs that's like the easiest aspect of the game compared to everything else
I think the word comfortably is what's the problem.

People have different views on that, IMO comfortable is to be able to play AR10 with OD7 and get 95%+ acc. But this combination is almost never found in any beatmap, and the ones that are, are very difficult to keep up with... not a good test of comfort. AR10 maps are usually very difficult beatmaps, and turning on HR on a normal beatmap will set OD9 a lot of the time, hurting ones accuracy some more. Not to mention the CS shrink. It is not AR10 itself, but the things that naturally follow it's use.
GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf

druidxd wrote:

someone told me that Airman is not ar10
? but Airman IS AR10
Tanzklaue
1,151 posts
Joined December 2010
Tanzklaue

druidxd wrote:

I do play DT+HD, or HD if bpm is already really high, and I used to think that I could play AR10 easily, but then someone told me that Airman is not ar10 and then I realised that AR10 maps (like this one: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 (CRN -AR10-)) fuck me over and over.
airman is AR 10. it's the most well known AR 10 map in the game.
druidxd
170 posts
Joined May 2011
druidxd

GoldenWolf wrote:

druidxd wrote:

someone told me that Airman is not ar10
? but Airman IS AR10

Tanzklaue wrote:

druidxd wrote:

I do play DT+HD, or HD if bpm is already really high, and I used to think that I could play AR10 easily, but then someone told me that Airman is not ar10 and then I realised that AR10 maps (like this one: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 (CRN -AR10-)) fuck me over and over.
airman is AR 10. it's the most well known AR 10 map in the game.

I don't really know, someone told me that Airman was AR9, then he showed me this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 and seriously I can't even read that fast enough to combo almost anything. If Airman is AR10 then what AR does that map has?

I don't really know a lot about AR more than if it's a higher AR notes appear faster, and that map has certainly more AR than airman, for sure.

If someone can clarify it to me, I would apreciate it :)

BTW: I can read Airman comfortably, although the jumps really break my combo.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo
You're confusing reading AR to reading bpm. If you see a 290bpm AR10 map, it's most likely that you're having trouble planning ahead on the speed of objects that come out on 270bpm and not having trouble with the AR.

If you want to know if you can read AR10, just pick a random ranked map that you already FC'd, go into edit, change the AR to 10, see if it's still equally easy to FC for you.

(at the same time, that 290bpm AR10 map you had trouble reading will still be hard for you to read in any lower AR. In fact it will be even harder to read like that)
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GoldenWolf
2,983 posts
Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf
Airman is AR10. This map is also AR10. You can read Airman because AR10 works really well on this and because you played it many times
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

GoldenWolf wrote:

Airman is AR10. This map is also AR10. You can read Airman because AR10 works really well on this and because you played it many times
there is no such thing as "works really well on". He can just read airman since it's only 200bpm and has trouble on that map since it's 290bpm and spits out objects at a much faster pace, which he has trouble to plan ahead on. Once you fall behind and don't plan what to do with some object in time by the moment you need to deal with it that's what gives you the "oh this is too fast" feeling.

Take Atama for example. Reading AR9 won't help you to read the 240bpm patterns, nor would reading AR8 alone help you read the 200bpm jumps on LKs' Flower Dance.
GoldenWolf
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Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf
Maybe. AR10 never bothered me on Airman while it bothered me on some others maps
Aqo
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Joined April 2010
Aqo
What's I'm trying to say is that it's not the AR that bothered you, it's the maps' sheer speed.
GoldenWolf
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Joined May 2012
GoldenWolf
I understood that :p
Lybydose
osu! Alumni
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Joined January 2009
Lybydose
lol @ people coming up with arbitrary criteria to determine who's average.

Sort the online user list by rank. Scroll about halfway to the bottom. If you're above that, you're probably above average. If you're much higher than that, you are certainly above average. Simple. Technically this would actually be the median, but who cares.
roufou
966 posts
Joined September 2011
roufou

Lybydose wrote:

lol @ people coming up with arbitrary criteria to determine who's average.

Sort the online user list by rank. Scroll about halfway to the bottom. If you're above that, you're probably above average. If you're much higher than that, you are certainly above average. Simple. Technically this would actually be the median, but who cares.
this would be considerably more legit if it didn't imply I was above average
djjsixpack
162 posts
Joined September 2011
djjsixpack

Aqo wrote:

Skills that an average osu!standard player is expected to have in 2012:

- Be able to get accuracy above 90% on OD7 on anything that is not a stream map
- Be able to stream up to at least 180bpm for quite a while (at least 20 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR9 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 1.8 per bpm up to 200 with up to at least 1.0 DS on object spacing

Skills for somewhat higher standard average osu!standard player:

- Be able to get accuracy above 95% on OD7 on anything including stream maps (even if it takes retries)
- Be able to stream up to at least 200bpm for quite a while (at least 50 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR10 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 2.5 per bpm up to 240 with up to at least 1.4 DS on object spacing, as well as CS5 on lower speeds than 180bpm
Yeah I still can't do that yet. Also, not a lot of people can even really do that properly. I would definitely consider that above average. As for the AR10 thing, most people have to play the map a few times before getting any sort of acceptable acc, including top ranked players. Try and make a 120 BPM slow song AR10 and then playing it, it isn't very easy lol.
Purple
467 posts
Joined May 2011
Purple
I don't really know, someone told me that Airman was AR9, then he showed me this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 and seriously I can't even read that fast enough to combo almost anything. If Airman is AR10 then what AR does that map has?

I don't really know a lot about AR more than if it's a higher AR notes appear faster, and that map has certainly more AR than airman, for sure.

If someone can clarify it to me, I would apreciate it :)

BTW: I can read Airman comfortably, although the jumps really break my combo.
AR10 is harder to read when the combo colors match the background colors. So in case of Airman, a dimmed or black background contrasts against the bright combo colors and is therefore easier to read for whatever reason (vision reflexes or something, I honestly don't know). Magia has combo colors that wont contrast against the background whether you dim it or delete it or do nothing to it. I know people are gonna call bullshit on me, but I'm pretty sure thats the main reason.

Edit: Oh yeah.. on topic.. I'm so bad, I'm scrapping the bottom of the barrel of baddiness. Or I went through it and dug the ground and reach the center of the planet. Or something. But I do consider myself good at reading high AR.
Aqo
2,710 posts
Joined April 2010
Aqo

djjsixpack wrote:

most people have to play the map a few times before getting any sort of acceptable acc, including top ranked players. Try and make a 120 BPM slow song AR10 and then playing it, it isn't very easy lol.
There's a difference between knowing what you're supposed to do and not being able to do it because it's physically challenging and between not even being able to plan in time what you're supposed to do at all.
Mithos
636 posts
Joined February 2011
Mithos
I don't think the average player is able to stream 180-220 bpm with 96% accuracy. I think the easy insane level is relatively correct. Don't forget that there are a lot of newbies in the community.
silmarilen
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Joined February 2010
silmarilen
looks like im dropping below average already
JappyBabes
666 posts
Joined February 2011
JappyBabes
I would have said getting a solid 86-90% on an Insane is average :<
zhurai
35 posts
Joined December 2010
zhurai

JappyBabes wrote:

I would have said getting a solid 86-90% on an Insane is average :<
now which kind of insane, some insanes really feel like hards to me (Getting like B -> S range depending on how many misses I generally ge :o t but /shrug) (http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59411, http://osu.ppy.sh/b/174939, http://osu.ppy.sh/b/181167 ... a lot of these I would've thought were hards D: )
some are middle ish, hard ish for me, but passable (I get like B's here..usually)) (http://osu.ppy.sh/b/112218&m=0, http://osu.ppy.sh/b/175461)
some are like pretty hard for me still (C) (http://osu.ppy.sh/b/166624)
some I can't pass yet (http://osu.ppy.sh/b/186721 this one I can almost pass but can't) [Edit: and almost all the other insanes I downloaded I can't pass /shrug]

etc D:

or at least how a noobish person (or average? herp whatever at least how I view certain insanes)

tt
oh well
then again I need to actually use the keyboard to tap for streams rather than attempting to single click everything... >_> oh wellz
winber1
4,520 posts
Joined February 2010
winber1
airman SS fc is pretty average if you ask me
druidxd
170 posts
Joined May 2011
druidxd

winber1 wrote:

airman SS fc is pretty average if you ask me
^this is by far the best definition of average.-

Cookiezi average, now that's INSANE
Kaoskadosk
21 posts
Joined July 2012
Kaoskadosk
Hello Osu! community! Kinda funny that my first post goes to this thread, but I find it kind of fitting.

I've been playing Osu! since July and play fairly frequently. I got a raw PP of 2,525 (this really tells me nothing tbh :P) and I find myself to be pretty decent. So far my best "achievement" in my opinion would be to clear http://osu.ppy.sh/s/18689 with 89% on Insane, which I've been working on for some time.

As a new player, I would probably set myself around the avarage/slightly above avarage of up and coming players. Looking at Aqu's list though, I would probably be somewhere in the middle of the pack if not behind. I continue to strive for becoming better, but even after a few months of Osu! and years of StepMania, reading AR10 isn't even anywhere on my list.

The maps he/she linked are way out of my league. The first time I tried them I died in mere seconds.

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
Right now I'm bashing my head at http://osu.ppy.sh/b/86324&m=0 just for the fun of it and getting used to the speed, but imo the requirements for avarage and above that Aqu lists is just nowhere near accurate. Maybe for someone who's been around for a year or two and play at least once or twice a day. But that's just my view on it.
-Soba-
374 posts
Joined January 2011
-Soba-
I am the definition of average.
ryza
679 posts
Joined October 2011
ryza
my skill level is shockingly below average for my rank

I'd say an average player can clear most normal Insanes with B's/A's by 7,000-12,000 play count.
CXu
osu! Alumni
3,558 posts
Joined March 2009
CXu

Aqo wrote:

Skills for somewhat higher standard average osu!standard player:

- Be able to get accuracy above 95% on OD7 on anything including stream maps (even if it takes retries)
- Be able to stream up to at least 200bpm for quite a while (at least 50 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR10 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 2.5 per bpm up to 240 with up to at least 1.4 DS on object spacing, as well as CS5 on lower speeds than 180bpm
Ok screw it I'm below.
ryza
679 posts
Joined October 2011
ryza
CXu, don't even :<
Yarissa
587 posts
Joined September 2010
Yarissa
I can't stream for shit. And I don't understand Aqo's last condition. Many people consider me above average though. If anything my high BPM HD DT accuracy is what makes me special. But maybe I'm just overrated....

There are technically two different types of averages for osu! standard. If you average the active community, I think the average is going to be a lot higher. With the active/ inactive community, there are a lot of players who are (and this is all just speculation) presumably worse than the active players.

All in all I think those are all fair conditions for the average osu! standard skill level. I would maybe lower streaming ability average since I think that 200+ is a lot more uncommon than this thread may be suggesting.
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-Soba-
374 posts
Joined January 2011
-Soba-

Kaoru wrote:

I can't stream for shit. And I don't understand Aqo's last condition. Many people consider me above average though. If anything my high BPM HD DT accuracy is what makes me special. But maybe I'm just overrated....
At least you're special :[
silmarilen
5,579 posts
Joined February 2010
silmarilen

Kaoskadosk wrote:

The maps he/she linked are way out of my league. The first time I tried them I died in mere seconds.

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
its because those maps are incredibly hard, and you will probably have to be around rank 1k to even think of getting an fc, (save for the last one, which is more of a top100 map)
ryza
679 posts
Joined October 2011
ryza
what are you talking about

placebo dying is ez
silmarilen
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Joined February 2010
silmarilen
global performance rank: 62

durr
kriers
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Joined April 2010
kriers

Silynn wrote:

what are you talking about

placebo dying is ez
if it's so ez, why does someone like me who think it's hard totally owned your score in one try :|
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