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What is consider as average for osu! standard?

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silmarilen
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silmarilen

Aqo wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

then again, the OD.criteria is ridiculous. even I, as a complete accuracy noob, can get easily above 95% on OD7
above 95% on OD7 on stream maps or on non stream maps?

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
>linking a bunch of really hard maps only a couple hundred people can actually fc

yeah... if thats required to be average cookiezi is the only mildly good player
she_old
she_old

Tanzklaue wrote:



OD8, 196 BPM, streamy as hell. COME AT ME
Not that streamy but hard to accuracy, pretty nice

my scrub tier accuracy

>:
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

silmarilen wrote:

Aqo wrote:

above 95% on OD7 on stream maps or on non stream maps?

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
>linking a bunch of really hard maps only a couple hundred people can actually fc

yeah... if thats required to be average cookiezi is the only mildly good player
two of them by angelhoney, who is known for giving his maps ridiculous low ODs so they are actually passable for not the very best.
Tshemmp
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Joined June 2011
Tshemmp

Aqo wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

then again, the OD.criteria is ridiculous. even I, as a complete accuracy noob, can get easily above 95% on OD7
above 95% on OD7 on stream maps or on non stream maps?

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
The second one (Shining Wizard) is actually OD 8.
Ekaru
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Joined July 2008
Ekaru
What we can do to estimate what "average" is is look at a large sampling of maps with a large amount of plays (500k minimum; over a million is ideal) and look at the amount of completed plays for each difficulty (or individual ranked scores if you aren't lazy). Note that due to people being able to record scores on separate difficulties, you have to look for huge "drop-offs" in the amount of completed plays between difficulty levels (hence why you want a large amount of plays).

With that method you should get around a Normal-Hardish difficulty level. Probably leaning a bit more towards Hard.
Aqo
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Aqo

Tshemmp wrote:

The second one (Shining Wizard) is actually OD 8.
oh right, my bad. thanks for pointing that out.
Keredna
99 posts
Joined December 2009
Topic Starter
Keredna
I never knew this topic would cause such a huge public disturbance. I guess that's what I get for not coming up with a clear guideline in determining what average means.

I personally think average would mean that most players would be able to perform up to that standard.

After looking at the total number of users there are on the right corner of the page, I'm curious how many of them are actually active players.
Just to be safe, I'm estimating that out of the 1,829,993 users, probably 100,000 of them are active players (based on the number of players listed on the most played map gangnam style).

Now the hard part.... between what number of people in that number is considered as average? And at what level of performance are those people performing at? >:/
TheVileOne
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TheVileOne
I'm probably the example of just slightly below average. The average player at least how I consider it to be is someone capable of beating most normal Insane levels and think things like the stream compilation are ridiculous and don't know why the hell people like to play shit like Renard. If you don't share this opinion you're above average. Eh maybe the average players play Renard nowadays. They probably miss a lot though.
Soaprman
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Soaprman
If I had to guess, based on no evidence whatsoever, I'd guess that the average player's skill would have them playing maps in that Hard-Insane grey area. Lots of maps fall in that area, and it's a skill level anyone can get to without a lot of dedication.

The average pro player smokes 81 approved hardmaps every day and doesn't give a fuck.
pielak213
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MillhioreF
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MillhioreF
cookiezi, white wolf, niko and rrtyui are the only good players, everyone else is average or below average \:D/
Keredna
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Topic Starter
Keredna

MillhioreF wrote:

cookiezi, white wolf, niko and rrtyui are the only good players, everyone else is average or below average \:D/
This game is just inhumane.
There is only so much that a poor old man like me can handle... :(
zhurai
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Joined December 2010
zhurai
hmm...so I guess I'm not average D:
then again I haven't really cared much about streaming or practicing it... >_> oh well
Ekaru
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Ekaru

zhurai wrote:

hmm...so I guess I'm not average D:
then again I haven't really cared much about streaming or practicing it... >_> oh well
Actually, a ton of people on the forums are relatively hardcore and, as such, have a skewed up perception of what average is.

I'd say that you are probably pretty average from a global standpoint. The majority of players just play for fun and don't care that much about becoming good, so they eventually cap out at a Hard-ish skill level. At least, that's what the statistics I mentioned earlier suggest - on maps with a large amount of plays there's often a big gap in the amount of completed plays between Hard and Insane - and it makes sense; there's a natural progression from Easy up to your average Hard, but to do Insanes you pretty much *have* to play a bunch of Insanes because they are their own beast. Since learning how to stream actually takes effort (*gasp* THE HORROR!) a lot of players just stick with what they can already do.

Now, as for what's "average" when it comes to hardcore players... That's obviously a lot higher.
silmarilen
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silmarilen

Ekaru wrote:

zhurai wrote:

hmm...so I guess I'm not average D:
then again I haven't really cared much about streaming or practicing it... >_> oh well
Actually, a ton of people on the forums are relatively hardcore and, as such, have a skewed up perception of what average is.

I'd say that you are probably pretty average from a global standpoint. The majority of players just play for fun and don't care that much about becoming good, so they eventually cap out at a Hard-ish skill level. At least, that's what the statistics I mentioned earlier suggest - on maps with a large amount of plays there's often a big gap in the amount of completed plays between Hard and Insane - and it makes sense; there's a natural progression from Easy up to your average Hard, but to do Insanes you pretty much *have* to play a bunch of Insanes because they are their own beast. Since learning how to stream actually takes effort (*gasp* THE HORROR!) a lot of players just stick with what they can already do.

Now, as for what's "average" when it comes to hardcore players... That's obviously a lot higher.
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winber1
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winber1

silmarilen wrote:

MillhioreF wrote:

I'd place my personal opinion on average as around PP rank 5000-20000. That's the skill level where Hards and easier Insanes are good difficulties.
yea thats about the range i would put as average aswell, although 5k is already pretty skillful, so maybe more like 10-20k
and i thot i sucked.

should i rethink my values now
she_old
she_old
I still suck
druidxd
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druidxd

Aqo wrote:

Skills that an average osu!standard player is expected to have in 2012:

- Be able to get accuracy above 90% on OD7 on anything that is not a stream map
- Be able to stream up to at least 180bpm for quite a while (at least 20 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR9 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 1.8 per bpm up to 200 with up to at least 1.0 DS on object spacing

Skills for somewhat higher standard average osu!standard player:

- Be able to get accuracy above 95% on OD7 on anything including stream maps (even if it takes retries)
- Be able to stream up to at least 200bpm for quite a while (at least 50 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR10 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 2.5 per bpm up to 240 with up to at least 1.4 DS on object spacing, as well as CS5 on lower speeds than 180bpm

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.
Aqo
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Aqo

druidxd wrote:

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.
Don't you play DTHD... how can you even have trouble reading AR10 then

sup with all the people having trouble with ARs that's like the easiest aspect of the game compared to everything else
zhurai
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Joined December 2010
zhurai

Ekaru wrote:

zhurai wrote:

hmm...so I guess I'm not average D:
then again I haven't really cared much about streaming or practicing it... >_> oh well
Actually, a ton of people on the forums are relatively hardcore and, as such, have a skewed up perception of what average is.

I'd say that you are probably pretty average from a global standpoint. The majority of players just play for fun and don't care that much about becoming good, so they eventually cap out at a Hard-ish skill level. At least, that's what the statistics I mentioned earlier suggest - on maps with a large amount of plays there's often a big gap in the amount of completed plays between Hard and Insane - and it makes sense; there's a natural progression from Easy up to your average Hard, but to do Insanes you pretty much *have* to play a bunch of Insanes because they are their own beast. Since learning how to stream actually takes effort (*gasp* THE HORROR!) a lot of players just stick with what they can already do.

Now, as for what's "average" when it comes to hardcore players... That's obviously a lot higher.
ah

heh.. I can do some insanes, but I feel those are the lower ones

my reading of some of the higher AR's have at least improved though, and I do plan to learn streaming... but focusing on other stuff atm >_< ah well

EDIT: I do want to get good... but >_> eh, kinda focusing on other games atm
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druidxd
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druidxd

Aqo wrote:

druidxd wrote:

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.
Don't you play DTHD... how can you even have trouble reading AR10 then

sup with all the people having trouble with ARs that's like the easiest aspect of the game compared to everything else
I do play DT+HD, or HD if bpm is already really high, and I used to think that I could play AR10 easily, but then someone told me that Airman is not ar10 and then I realised that AR10 maps (like this one: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 (CRN -AR10-)) fuck me over and over.
RaneFire
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RaneFire

Aqo wrote:

druidxd wrote:

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.
Don't you play DTHD... how can you even have trouble reading AR10 then

sup with all the people having trouble with ARs that's like the easiest aspect of the game compared to everything else
I think the word comfortably is what's the problem.

People have different views on that, IMO comfortable is to be able to play AR10 with OD7 and get 95%+ acc. But this combination is almost never found in any beatmap, and the ones that are, are very difficult to keep up with... not a good test of comfort. AR10 maps are usually very difficult beatmaps, and turning on HR on a normal beatmap will set OD9 a lot of the time, hurting ones accuracy some more. Not to mention the CS shrink. It is not AR10 itself, but the things that naturally follow it's use.
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf

druidxd wrote:

someone told me that Airman is not ar10
? but Airman IS AR10
Tanzklaue
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Tanzklaue

druidxd wrote:

I do play DT+HD, or HD if bpm is already really high, and I used to think that I could play AR10 easily, but then someone told me that Airman is not ar10 and then I realised that AR10 maps (like this one: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 (CRN -AR10-)) fuck me over and over.
airman is AR 10. it's the most well known AR 10 map in the game.
druidxd
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Joined May 2011
druidxd

GoldenWolf wrote:

druidxd wrote:

someone told me that Airman is not ar10
? but Airman IS AR10

Tanzklaue wrote:

druidxd wrote:

I do play DT+HD, or HD if bpm is already really high, and I used to think that I could play AR10 easily, but then someone told me that Airman is not ar10 and then I realised that AR10 maps (like this one: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 (CRN -AR10-)) fuck me over and over.
airman is AR 10. it's the most well known AR 10 map in the game.

I don't really know, someone told me that Airman was AR9, then he showed me this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 and seriously I can't even read that fast enough to combo almost anything. If Airman is AR10 then what AR does that map has?

I don't really know a lot about AR more than if it's a higher AR notes appear faster, and that map has certainly more AR than airman, for sure.

If someone can clarify it to me, I would apreciate it :)

BTW: I can read Airman comfortably, although the jumps really break my combo.
Aqo
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Aqo
You're confusing reading AR to reading bpm. If you see a 290bpm AR10 map, it's most likely that you're having trouble planning ahead on the speed of objects that come out on 270bpm and not having trouble with the AR.

If you want to know if you can read AR10, just pick a random ranked map that you already FC'd, go into edit, change the AR to 10, see if it's still equally easy to FC for you.

(at the same time, that 290bpm AR10 map you had trouble reading will still be hard for you to read in any lower AR. In fact it will be even harder to read like that)
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GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
Airman is AR10. This map is also AR10. You can read Airman because AR10 works really well on this and because you played it many times
Aqo
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Aqo

GoldenWolf wrote:

Airman is AR10. This map is also AR10. You can read Airman because AR10 works really well on this and because you played it many times
there is no such thing as "works really well on". He can just read airman since it's only 200bpm and has trouble on that map since it's 290bpm and spits out objects at a much faster pace, which he has trouble to plan ahead on. Once you fall behind and don't plan what to do with some object in time by the moment you need to deal with it that's what gives you the "oh this is too fast" feeling.

Take Atama for example. Reading AR9 won't help you to read the 240bpm patterns, nor would reading AR8 alone help you read the 200bpm jumps on LKs' Flower Dance.
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
Maybe. AR10 never bothered me on Airman while it bothered me on some others maps
Aqo
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Aqo
What's I'm trying to say is that it's not the AR that bothered you, it's the maps' sheer speed.
GoldenWolf
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GoldenWolf
I understood that :p
Lybydose
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Lybydose
lol @ people coming up with arbitrary criteria to determine who's average.

Sort the online user list by rank. Scroll about halfway to the bottom. If you're above that, you're probably above average. If you're much higher than that, you are certainly above average. Simple. Technically this would actually be the median, but who cares.
roufou
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roufou

Lybydose wrote:

lol @ people coming up with arbitrary criteria to determine who's average.

Sort the online user list by rank. Scroll about halfway to the bottom. If you're above that, you're probably above average. If you're much higher than that, you are certainly above average. Simple. Technically this would actually be the median, but who cares.
this would be considerably more legit if it didn't imply I was above average
djjsixpack
162 posts
Joined September 2011
djjsixpack

Aqo wrote:

Skills that an average osu!standard player is expected to have in 2012:

- Be able to get accuracy above 90% on OD7 on anything that is not a stream map
- Be able to stream up to at least 180bpm for quite a while (at least 20 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR9 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 1.8 per bpm up to 200 with up to at least 1.0 DS on object spacing

Skills for somewhat higher standard average osu!standard player:

- Be able to get accuracy above 95% on OD7 on anything including stream maps (even if it takes retries)
- Be able to stream up to at least 200bpm for quite a while (at least 50 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR10 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 2.5 per bpm up to 240 with up to at least 1.4 DS on object spacing, as well as CS5 on lower speeds than 180bpm
Yeah I still can't do that yet. Also, not a lot of people can even really do that properly. I would definitely consider that above average. As for the AR10 thing, most people have to play the map a few times before getting any sort of acceptable acc, including top ranked players. Try and make a 120 BPM slow song AR10 and then playing it, it isn't very easy lol.
Purple
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Purple
I don't really know, someone told me that Airman was AR9, then he showed me this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 and seriously I can't even read that fast enough to combo almost anything. If Airman is AR10 then what AR does that map has?

I don't really know a lot about AR more than if it's a higher AR notes appear faster, and that map has certainly more AR than airman, for sure.

If someone can clarify it to me, I would apreciate it :)

BTW: I can read Airman comfortably, although the jumps really break my combo.
AR10 is harder to read when the combo colors match the background colors. So in case of Airman, a dimmed or black background contrasts against the bright combo colors and is therefore easier to read for whatever reason (vision reflexes or something, I honestly don't know). Magia has combo colors that wont contrast against the background whether you dim it or delete it or do nothing to it. I know people are gonna call bullshit on me, but I'm pretty sure thats the main reason.

Edit: Oh yeah.. on topic.. I'm so bad, I'm scrapping the bottom of the barrel of baddiness. Or I went through it and dug the ground and reach the center of the planet. Or something. But I do consider myself good at reading high AR.
Aqo
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Aqo

djjsixpack wrote:

most people have to play the map a few times before getting any sort of acceptable acc, including top ranked players. Try and make a 120 BPM slow song AR10 and then playing it, it isn't very easy lol.
There's a difference between knowing what you're supposed to do and not being able to do it because it's physically challenging and between not even being able to plan in time what you're supposed to do at all.
Mithos
632 posts
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Mithos
I don't think the average player is able to stream 180-220 bpm with 96% accuracy. I think the easy insane level is relatively correct. Don't forget that there are a lot of newbies in the community.
silmarilen
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silmarilen
looks like im dropping below average already
JappyBabes
666 posts
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JappyBabes
I would have said getting a solid 86-90% on an Insane is average :<
zhurai
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zhurai

JappyBabes wrote:

I would have said getting a solid 86-90% on an Insane is average :<
now which kind of insane, some insanes really feel like hards to me (Getting like B -> S range depending on how many misses I generally ge :o t but /shrug) (http://osu.ppy.sh/s/59411, http://osu.ppy.sh/b/174939, http://osu.ppy.sh/b/181167 ... a lot of these I would've thought were hards D: )
some are middle ish, hard ish for me, but passable (I get like B's here..usually)) (http://osu.ppy.sh/b/112218&m=0, http://osu.ppy.sh/b/175461)
some are like pretty hard for me still (C) (http://osu.ppy.sh/b/166624)
some I can't pass yet (http://osu.ppy.sh/b/186721 this one I can almost pass but can't) [Edit: and almost all the other insanes I downloaded I can't pass /shrug]

etc D:

or at least how a noobish person (or average? herp whatever at least how I view certain insanes)

tt
oh well
then again I need to actually use the keyboard to tap for streams rather than attempting to single click everything... >_> oh wellz
winber1
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winber1
airman SS fc is pretty average if you ask me
druidxd
170 posts
Joined May 2011
druidxd

winber1 wrote:

airman SS fc is pretty average if you ask me
^this is by far the best definition of average.-

Cookiezi average, now that's INSANE
Kaoskadosk
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Kaoskadosk
Hello Osu! community! Kinda funny that my first post goes to this thread, but I find it kind of fitting.

I've been playing Osu! since July and play fairly frequently. I got a raw PP of 2,525 (this really tells me nothing tbh :P) and I find myself to be pretty decent. So far my best "achievement" in my opinion would be to clear http://osu.ppy.sh/s/18689 with 89% on Insane, which I've been working on for some time.

As a new player, I would probably set myself around the avarage/slightly above avarage of up and coming players. Looking at Aqu's list though, I would probably be somewhere in the middle of the pack if not behind. I continue to strive for becoming better, but even after a few months of Osu! and years of StepMania, reading AR10 isn't even anywhere on my list.

The maps he/she linked are way out of my league. The first time I tried them I died in mere seconds.

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
Right now I'm bashing my head at http://osu.ppy.sh/b/86324&m=0 just for the fun of it and getting used to the speed, but imo the requirements for avarage and above that Aqu lists is just nowhere near accurate. Maybe for someone who's been around for a year or two and play at least once or twice a day. But that's just my view on it.
-Soba-
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-Soba-
I am the definition of average.
ryza
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ryza
my skill level is shockingly below average for my rank

I'd say an average player can clear most normal Insanes with B's/A's by 7,000-12,000 play count.
CXu
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CXu

Aqo wrote:

Skills for somewhat higher standard average osu!standard player:

- Be able to get accuracy above 95% on OD7 on anything including stream maps (even if it takes retries)
- Be able to stream up to at least 200bpm for quite a while (at least 50 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR10 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 2.5 per bpm up to 240 with up to at least 1.4 DS on object spacing, as well as CS5 on lower speeds than 180bpm
Ok screw it I'm below.
ryza
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ryza
CXu, don't even :<
Yarissa
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Yarissa
I can't stream for shit. And I don't understand Aqo's last condition. Many people consider me above average though. If anything my high BPM HD DT accuracy is what makes me special. But maybe I'm just overrated....

There are technically two different types of averages for osu! standard. If you average the active community, I think the average is going to be a lot higher. With the active/ inactive community, there are a lot of players who are (and this is all just speculation) presumably worse than the active players.

All in all I think those are all fair conditions for the average osu! standard skill level. I would maybe lower streaming ability average since I think that 200+ is a lot more uncommon than this thread may be suggesting.
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-Soba-
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-Soba-

Kaoru wrote:

I can't stream for shit. And I don't understand Aqo's last condition. Many people consider me above average though. If anything my high BPM HD DT accuracy is what makes me special. But maybe I'm just overrated....
At least you're special :[
silmarilen
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silmarilen

Kaoskadosk wrote:

The maps he/she linked are way out of my league. The first time I tried them I died in mere seconds.

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
its because those maps are incredibly hard, and you will probably have to be around rank 1k to even think of getting an fc, (save for the last one, which is more of a top100 map)
ryza
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ryza
what are you talking about

placebo dying is ez
silmarilen
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silmarilen
global performance rank: 62

durr
kriers
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kriers

Silynn wrote:

what are you talking about

placebo dying is ez
if it's so ez, why does someone like me who think it's hard totally owned your score in one try :|
ryza
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ryza
because I suck at accuracy ;_____;

also I was making a joke
she_old
she_old
placebo dying is fun, though it took me like 5 tries to pass with hr, accuracy drops from 85% to 75% on the last stream part ;_;
pielak213
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she_old
she_old

pielak213- wrote:

-Soba- wrote:

I am the definition of average.
okay guys, being able to pass big black and doing this means you're average
halfway there on my road to being average, now only for the big black ;__;
Kanye West
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Kanye West
I can SS Big Black with quarter time

am i above average yet?
Full Tablet
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Full Tablet
Are you forgetting how many people play this game? If you are in the top 200.000 of the player rankings, you are above average already. Being able to FC a hard map puts you above average already, no matter what accuracy you have.

Not that being above average means much anyways. You generally aren't a relevant player unless you are in the top 98.168436% (roughly #2000 pp ranking or less)
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ryza
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ryza
I'm not relevant and I'm in the top really high
Aqo
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Aqo

pielak213- wrote:

okay guys, being able to pass big black and doing this means you're average
sounds about right
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
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MillhioreF
today I learned most people are ranked so low that we completely ignore them for calculating the average skill level
Kanye West
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Kanye West

Full Tablet wrote:

Are you forgetting how many people play this game? If you are in the top 200.000 of the player rankings, you are above average already. Being able to FC a hard map puts you above average already, no matter what accuracy you have.

Not that being above average means much anyways. You generally aren't a relevant player unless you are in the top 98.168436% (roughly #2000 pp ranking or less)
Except now you're including the people that join, play the game for like 2 days and then quit, making your sample biased.
JappyBabes
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JappyBabes

Silynn wrote:

my skill level is shockingly below average for my rank
That wouldn't happen if you stuck to insanes getting shitty pp rewards instead of farming hards all day. You'd even have a chance at being in the underrated thread!
Bweh
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Bweh

Full Tablet wrote:

Are you forgetting how many people play this game? If you are in the top 200.000 of the player rankings, you are above average already. Being able to FC a hard map puts you above average already, no matter what accuracy you have.
That is statistically correct, but not in practice. You've got thousands of players that only show up for a couple of days or weeks filling up the bottom ranks, as well as alts and whatnot. If you want average, you'd want to look at the active portion of the community, including the users that at least stuck around for a good while.

OT: I am the epitome of average.
-Soba-
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-Soba-

Brian OA wrote:

Full Tablet wrote:

Are you forgetting how many people play this game? If you are in the top 200.000 of the player rankings, you are above average already. Being able to FC a hard map puts you above average already, no matter what accuracy you have.
That is statistically correct, but not in practice. You've got thousands of players that only show up for a couple of days or weeks filling up the bottom ranks, as well as alts and whatnot. If you want average, you'd want to look at the active portion of the community, including the users that at least stuck around for a good while.

OT: I am the epitome of average.
That feel, know, I do.
ryza
679 posts
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ryza

JappyBabes wrote:

That wouldn't happen if you stuck to insanes getting shitty pp rewards instead of farming hards all day. You'd even have a chance at being in the underrated thread!
I don't know how to play insanes :(
Kanye West
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Kanye West

Silynn wrote:

JappyBabes wrote:

That wouldn't happen if you stuck to insanes getting shitty pp rewards instead of farming hards all day. You'd even have a chance at being in the underrated thread!
I don't know how to play insanes :(
qft, hards all day no regrets #YOLO
-Soba-
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Joined January 2011
-Soba-

pielak213- wrote:

-Soba- wrote:

I am the definition of average.
okay guys, being able to pass big black and doing this means you're average
I'm starting to wonder where you got this image lol
I don't think it's anywhere on my profile or anything xD
winber1
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winber1
pielak is actually your best friend in real life
Salvage
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Salvage
not having any A
-Soba-
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-Soba-

Salvage wrote:

not having any A
so all Bs?
Emaal
Emaal

Keredna wrote:

This is a pretty opinionated topic, but I'd like to know what is considered as average for osu! standard players now a days.

The people listed on the Top 10 most underrated players forum are clearly out of the window. I would even say the top 2000 players on global pp rank are top players.

Not to brag or anything, but I personally consider myself as an above average player (not qualified to be called a pro yet). But who knows, I might actually be just an average player who played too many maps. =P

PP probably isn't a consistent enough way to tell what a person's skill level is. I'm currently ranked in the top 3000s, but I've lost to players in the 5000s and 9000s before in multiplayer matches.

So yea, I'd like to hear from the public what you feel is considered average these days.
so you are telling me that my thread is bad

die please.
Madoka-_old
Madoka-_old
This probably isn't the right place to ask but what does OD and AR stand for?
Being somewhat new and below average is suffering..
laport
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laport
Overall Difficulty and Approach Rate
xsrsbsns
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xsrsbsns
Being able to full combo Hards
lolcubes
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lolcubes

Salvage wrote:

not having any A
True. I am average.

:3
winber1
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winber1

lolcubes wrote:

Salvage wrote:

not having any A
True. I am average.

:3
gtfo
Zare
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Zare
this discussion is pretty much futile, because every player has his/her own standards, they will never agree with each other.
Hiryuu_old
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Hiryuu_old
Here are some pinpoints what I consider which is avg for osu! standard :3
* To be able to pass hard difficulty songs with full combo without much of a problem.
* PP area (not sure about the exact number but) #20k-30k or so
* To be able to pass some insane songs
* Accuracy at least 90-95%
{* To not see nightmares about circles, sliders and spinners while sleeping.}
Novalogic
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Joined October 2009
Novalogic
Well if you can easy play 160bpm maps you can say you're average, if you can play 180+ you're above average, and following more than 200 bpm depending on performance is good / pro.

Not to mention godlike class, starring: Cookiezi, Niko, rrtyui etc ;x
threenash
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threenash
Being able to fc or at least getting A on easy Insane stuff like Siriru's maps imo
Ekaru
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Ekaru
It really depends on if you're talking about the overall skill level, including casuals, or the skill level among core players. 'Cuz the latter's waaaaaay higher than the former (whooping Insanes VS playing average Hards).

The OP made it clear that they're asking for "overall" here, though, so if you did the stats I suggested earlier and then compensated for newbs you should land in the lower-to-middle Hard range (How well they do on these, though, is up for debate).
Posse
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Posse
If we eliminate all those who played for a bit and quit, and those that are starting to play, I'd say average is to be able to fc any hard without issues, and clear all the "easy" insanes and at least be able to play (i.e. not losing 5 seconds into the map) some of the harder insanes (like some of val0108 maps i guess).

Now, if you mean average only taking into account the hardcore players, that's another matter.
Iku Acme
Iku Acme
The average player imo is able to FC hards with accuracies above 95% and regularly play normals.
Because the lobby is full of freaking normal/hards.
Kanye West
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Kanye West

Iku Acme wrote:

The average player imo is able to FC hards with accuracies above 95% and regularly play normals.
Because the lobby is full of freaking normal/hards.
Except most of the players in those lobbies can't even FC the normals
Almost
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Almost

Posse wrote:

If we eliminate all those who played for a bit and quit, and those that are starting to play, I'd say average is to be able to fc any hard without issues, and clear all the "easy" insanes and at least be able to play (i.e. not losing 5 seconds into the map) some of the harder insanes (like some of val0108 maps i guess).

Now, if you mean average only taking into account the hardcore players, that's another matter.
I'm pretty sure someone who can kinda play a val song should be able to fc easy insane. I can't play val songs at all yet I can fc easy insanes without much trouble.
she_old
she_old

Kanye West wrote:

Iku Acme wrote:

The average player imo is able to FC hards with accuracies above 95% and regularly play normals.
Because the lobby is full of freaking normal/hards.
Except most of the players in those lobbies can't even FC the normals
They obviously don't wanna go fast and are below average.
Ephemeral
Inland Empire
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Ephemeral
i've always considered the level that i play at as pretty representative of the average user
buny
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Everyone plays cereal in multi guise
7H0R
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7H0R
Trying to figure out my skill level based on what's going on here...
There are a couple AR9, OD7-8 songs that I can FC without too much problem, but others that I can barely survive on. I feel like using those as a benchmark doesn't work very well.

Example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/41686 Scarlet Rose
This song is OD7, AR9. I can't even last 10 seconds in it.

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24875 Decisive Battle
This song is OD8, AR9 and I could FC it with enough tries. I have FCed any given part of this song.

Keep in mind, I play with a mouse.
Kanye West
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Kanye West
Scarlet Rose is definitely a top-100 type map; it's a bad benchmark.
7H0R
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7H0R
Well, what are some good benchmark songs then?
Aqo
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Aqo
It seems like the general consensus is that if you can FC DT maps in normal time with 95%+ acc then you're average.

Some DT maps from different mappers:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/37313
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/53519
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/50322
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/50771
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/35629
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/42123
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/37627
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48336
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/17670
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/25802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/41121
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/39031
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/147377&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/58329
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28107
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48189
silmarilen
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silmarilen

7H0R wrote:

Trying to figure out my skill level based on what's going on here...
There are a couple AR9, OD7-8 songs that I can FC without too much problem, but others that I can barely survive on. I feel like using those as a benchmark doesn't work very well.

Example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/41686 Scarlet Rose
This song is OD7, AR9. I can't even last 10 seconds in it.

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24875 Decisive Battle
This song is OD8, AR9 and I could FC it with enough tries. I have FCed any given part of this song.

Keep in mind, I play with a mouse.

OD and AR are mostlyunrelated to skill, its the actual difficulty of the map you have to look at
Frostmourne
osu! Alumni
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Frostmourne

Kanna wrote:

Being able to fc or at least getting A on easy Insane stuff like Siriru's maps imo
Kanna , you are totally right \:D/ \:D/ \:D/
xsrsbsns
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xsrsbsns

Aqo wrote:

It seems like the general consensus is that if you can FC DT maps in normal time with 95%+ acc then you're average.

Some DT maps from different mappers:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/37313
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/53519
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/50322
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/50771
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/35629
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/42123
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/37627
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48336
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/17670
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/25802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/41121
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/39031
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/147377&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/58329
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28107
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48189
stop posting in wrong thread
Aqo
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Aqo

xsrsbsns wrote:

stop posting in wrong thread
???

Keredna wrote:

What is consider as average for osu! standard?

7H0R wrote:

Trying to figure out my skill level based on what's going on here...

7H0R wrote:

Well, what are some good benchmark songs then?

Aqo wrote:

Those maps are good benchmarks (on their nomod speed) for an average player:
Maps:
...
maybe you missed the part where I said to refer to those maps on their normal speed as a reference point
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silmarilen
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silmarilen
no they are not, all of those maps are too hard for an average player
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xsrsbsns
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xsrsbsns
derp I read that wrongly.
but DT maps..? okay, me too weak bb (and what silma said)
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