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What is consider as average for osu! standard?

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Keredna
This is a pretty opinionated topic, but I'd like to know what is considered as average for osu! standard players now a days.

The people listed on the Top 10 most underrated players forum are clearly out of the window. I would even say the top 2000 players on global pp rank are top players.

Not to brag or anything, but I personally consider myself as an above average player (not qualified to be called a pro yet). But who knows, I might actually be just an average player who played too many maps. =P

PP probably isn't a consistent enough way to tell what a person's skill level is. I'm currently ranked in the top 3000s, but I've lost to players in the 5000s and 9000s before in multiplayer matches.

So yea, I'd like to hear from the public what you feel is considered average these days.
MillhioreF
I'd place my personal opinion on average as around PP rank 5000-20000. That's the skill level where Hards and easier Insanes are good difficulties.
silmarilen

MillhioreF wrote:

I'd place my personal opinion on average as around PP rank 5000-20000. That's the skill level where Hards and easier Insanes are good difficulties.
yea thats about the range i would put as average aswell, although 5k is already pretty skillful, so maybe more like 10-20k
she_old
I think I'm below average, so anyone that plays better than me is average.
Aqo
Skills that an average osu!standard player is expected to have in 2012:

- Be able to get accuracy above 90% on OD7 on anything that is not a stream map
- Be able to stream up to at least 180bpm for quite a while (at least 20 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR9 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 1.8 per bpm up to 200 with up to at least 1.0 DS on object spacing

Skills for somewhat higher standard average osu!standard player:

- Be able to get accuracy above 95% on OD7 on anything including stream maps (even if it takes retries)
- Be able to stream up to at least 200bpm for quite a while (at least 50 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR10 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 2.5 per bpm up to 240 with up to at least 1.4 DS on object spacing, as well as CS5 on lower speeds than 180bpm
silmarilen
according to aqo's standards im barely average
you have to remember that we are talkinga bout all i dont know how many thousand osu players there are, not the ones that go to the forums.
Mara
Anyone who doesn't bitch most of the time about useless stuff and focus on having fun playing the game is above average. Not even kidding.

Therefore FisHie is the greatest player.
enik
@Aqo: If you stream 180 bpm you can easy get at least 96% acc on pretty much every map within this bpm. And streaming 200 bpm for 50 notes is like.. not average at all.

New players improving really fast nowdays and it's logical because overall osu! players skill is constantly increases and even top players are still learning the game. So there're new crazy maps, new goals to reach.

I'd say an average player is something between what aqo said:
95% acc, 190bpm for 20 notes, reading ar10 partly.
buny

loseri wrote:

I think I'm below average, so anyone that plays better than me is average.
imust be trash
she_old

Mara wrote:

FisHie is the greatest player.
YES


buny wrote:

loseri wrote:

I think I'm below average, so anyone that plays better than me is average.
imust be trash
buny god tier
silmarilen
in terms of skill i would say being able to pass easy insanes with a decent accuracy (doesnt have to be FC yet) is pretty good, being able to fc most of the beginner insanes on sight read is above average already.
Marblehead
TIL that ranks #300-#700 are average.
Back to practice.
Next goal: become average!
she_old

silmarilen wrote:

in terms of skill i would say being able to pass easy insanes with a decent accuracy (doesnt have to be FC yet) is already quite average, being able to fc most of the beginner insanes on sight read is above average already.
See I'm shit tier >:
silmarilen
you and aqo are a special case
buny
maggot tier reporting for duty
lolcubes
I would say an average player is someone who can S/A "normal" insanes. Regardless of rank. Accuracy is a moot point because it will vary between tries, however to fulfill the above criteria, it should be around 94% at least.
Unless my viewpoint is heavily distorted because this is what I was doing when I considered myself something like average (back then I couldn't even stream more than 9 notes, any bpm).
Tanzklaue
according to aqo, almost no one is a higher average player. dat AR 10 and streamability.

then again, the OD.criteria is ridiculous. even I, as a complete accuracy noob, can get easily above 95% on OD7, if I try really hard. so if my streaming wouldn't be abysmal, I would probably near average according to aqo.

according to me, I'm not even near average. my streaming is not een good enough to be called simply "bad", and my accuracy is also really bad. and beyond 200 BPM I am just lost.
Aqo

Tanzklaue wrote:

then again, the OD.criteria is ridiculous. even I, as a complete accuracy noob, can get easily above 95% on OD7
above 95% on OD7 on stream maps or on non stream maps?

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
Tanzklaue


OD8, 196 BPM, streamy as hell. COME AT ME

ok, this is probably the best score I ever achieved. and streaming is kinda that what holds me back at getting any better at this game, but generally, if the map is not a deathstream and jumpcompilation: yes, yes it is easy for a player around my level and it should be even easier for others.
silmarilen

Aqo wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

then again, the OD.criteria is ridiculous. even I, as a complete accuracy noob, can get easily above 95% on OD7
above 95% on OD7 on stream maps or on non stream maps?

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
>linking a bunch of really hard maps only a couple hundred people can actually fc

yeah... if thats required to be average cookiezi is the only mildly good player
she_old

Tanzklaue wrote:



OD8, 196 BPM, streamy as hell. COME AT ME
Not that streamy but hard to accuracy, pretty nice


>:
Tanzklaue

silmarilen wrote:

Aqo wrote:

above 95% on OD7 on stream maps or on non stream maps?

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
>linking a bunch of really hard maps only a couple hundred people can actually fc

yeah... if thats required to be average cookiezi is the only mildly good player
two of them by angelhoney, who is known for giving his maps ridiculous low ODs so they are actually passable for not the very best.
Tshemmp

Aqo wrote:

Tanzklaue wrote:

then again, the OD.criteria is ridiculous. even I, as a complete accuracy noob, can get easily above 95% on OD7
above 95% on OD7 on stream maps or on non stream maps?

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081
The second one (Shining Wizard) is actually OD 8.
Ekaru
What we can do to estimate what "average" is is look at a large sampling of maps with a large amount of plays (500k minimum; over a million is ideal) and look at the amount of completed plays for each difficulty (or individual ranked scores if you aren't lazy). Note that due to people being able to record scores on separate difficulties, you have to look for huge "drop-offs" in the amount of completed plays between difficulty levels (hence why you want a large amount of plays).

With that method you should get around a Normal-Hardish difficulty level. Probably leaning a bit more towards Hard.
Aqo

Tshemmp wrote:

The second one (Shining Wizard) is actually OD 8.
oh right, my bad. thanks for pointing that out.
Topic Starter
Keredna
I never knew this topic would cause such a huge public disturbance. I guess that's what I get for not coming up with a clear guideline in determining what average means.

I personally think average would mean that most players would be able to perform up to that standard.

After looking at the total number of users there are on the right corner of the page, I'm curious how many of them are actually active players.
Just to be safe, I'm estimating that out of the 1,829,993 users, probably 100,000 of them are active players (based on the number of players listed on the most played map gangnam style).

Now the hard part.... between what number of people in that number is considered as average? And at what level of performance are those people performing at? >:/
TheVileOne
I'm probably the example of just slightly below average. The average player at least how I consider it to be is someone capable of beating most normal Insane levels and think things like the stream compilation are ridiculous and don't know why the hell people like to play shit like Renard. If you don't share this opinion you're above average. Eh maybe the average players play Renard nowadays. They probably miss a lot though.
Soaprman
If I had to guess, based on no evidence whatsoever, I'd guess that the average player's skill would have them playing maps in that Hard-Insane grey area. Lots of maps fall in that area, and it's a skill level anyone can get to without a lot of dedication.

The average pro player smokes 81 approved hardmaps every day and doesn't give a fuck.
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MillhioreF
cookiezi, white wolf, niko and rrtyui are the only good players, everyone else is average or below average \:D/
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