Aqo wrote:

Skills that an average osu!standard player is expected to have in 2012:

- Be able to get accuracy above 90% on OD7 on anything that is not a stream map
- Be able to stream up to at least 180bpm for quite a while (at least 20 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR9 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 1.8 per bpm up to 200 with up to at least 1.0 DS on object spacing

Skills for somewhat higher standard average osu!standard player:

- Be able to get accuracy above 95% on OD7 on anything including stream maps (even if it takes retries)
- Be able to stream up to at least 200bpm for quite a while (at least 50 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR10 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 2.5 per bpm up to 240 with up to at least 1.4 DS on object spacing, as well as CS5 on lower speeds than 180bpm

druidxd wrote:

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.

Ekaru wrote:

zhurai wrote:

hmm...so I guess I'm not average D:
then again I haven't really cared much about streaming or practicing it... >_> oh well

Actually, a ton of people on the forums are relatively hardcore and, as such, have a skewed up perception of what average is.

I'd say that you are probably pretty average from a global standpoint. The majority of players just play for fun and don't care that much about becoming good, so they eventually cap out at a Hard-ish skill level. At least, that's what the statistics I mentioned earlier suggest - on maps with a large amount of plays there's often a big gap in the amount of completed plays between Hard and Insane - and it makes sense; there's a natural progression from Easy up to your average Hard, but to do Insanes you pretty much *have* to play a bunch of Insanes because they are their own beast. Since learning how to stream actually takes effort (*gasp* THE HORROR!) a lot of players just stick with what they can already do.

Now, as for what's "average" when it comes to hardcore players... That's obviously a lot higher.

Aqo wrote:

druidxd wrote:

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.

Don't you play DTHD... how can you even have trouble reading AR10 then

sup with all the people having trouble with ARs that's like the easiest aspect of the game compared to everything else

Aqo wrote:

druidxd wrote:

I seriously hate AR10, I can't read it fast enough, maybe 'cause of my low reaction time (200-250ms), maybe cause I really don't play HR that much, idk, but still I managed to get to rank ~800 and get good enough to compete with some friends of mine like Glazbom, Metro, and so on.

Don't you play DTHD... how can you even have trouble reading AR10 then

sup with all the people having trouble with ARs that's like the easiest aspect of the game compared to everything else

druidxd wrote:

someone told me that Airman is not ar10

druidxd wrote:

I do play DT+HD, or HD if bpm is already really high, and I used to think that I could play AR10 easily, but then someone told me that Airman is not ar10 and then I realised that AR10 maps (like this one: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 (CRN -AR10-)) fuck me over and over.

GoldenWolf wrote:

druidxd wrote:

someone told me that Airman is not ar10

? but Airman IS AR10

Tanzklaue wrote:

druidxd wrote:

I do play DT+HD, or HD if bpm is already really high, and I used to think that I could play AR10 easily, but then someone told me that Airman is not ar10 and then I realised that AR10 maps (like this one: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 (CRN -AR10-)) fuck me over and over.

airman is AR 10. it's the most well known AR 10 map in the game.

GoldenWolf wrote:

Airman is AR10. This map is also AR10. You can read Airman because AR10 works really well on this and because you played it many times

Lybydose wrote:

lol @ people coming up with arbitrary criteria to determine who's average.

Sort the online user list by rank. Scroll about halfway to the bottom. If you're above that, you're probably above average. If you're much higher than that, you are certainly above average. Simple. Technically this would actually be the median, but who cares.

Aqo wrote:

Skills that an average osu!standard player is expected to have in 2012:

- Be able to get accuracy above 90% on OD7 on anything that is not a stream map
- Be able to stream up to at least 180bpm for quite a while (at least 20 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR9 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 1.8 per bpm up to 200 with up to at least 1.0 DS on object spacing

Skills for somewhat higher standard average osu!standard player:

- Be able to get accuracy above 95% on OD7 on anything including stream maps (even if it takes retries)
- Be able to stream up to at least 200bpm for quite a while (at least 50 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR10 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 2.5 per bpm up to 240 with up to at least 1.4 DS on object spacing, as well as CS5 on lower speeds than 180bpm

I don't really know, someone told me that Airman was AR9, then he showed me this map: http://osu.ppy.sh/b/168486 and seriously I can't even read that fast enough to combo almost anything. If Airman is AR10 then what AR does that map has?

I don't really know a lot about AR more than if it's a higher AR notes appear faster, and that map has certainly more AR than airman, for sure.

If someone can clarify it to me, I would apreciate it

BTW: I can read Airman comfortably, although the jumps really break my combo.

djjsixpack wrote:

most people have to play the map a few times before getting any sort of acceptable acc, including top ranked players. Try and make a 120 BPM slow song AR10 and then playing it, it isn't very easy lol.

JappyBabes wrote:

I would have said getting a solid 86-90% on an Insane is average :<

winber1 wrote:

airman SS fc is pretty average if you ask me

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081

Aqo wrote:

Skills for somewhat higher standard average osu!standard player:

- Be able to get accuracy above 95% on OD7 on anything including stream maps (even if it takes retries)
- Be able to stream up to at least 200bpm for quite a while (at least 50 notes)
- Be able to read up to at least AR10 comfortably
- Be able to aim at CS4 up to at least SV 2.5 per bpm up to 240 with up to at least 1.4 DS on object spacing, as well as CS5 on lower speeds than 180bpm

Kaoru wrote:

I can't stream for shit. And I don't understand Aqo's last condition. Many people consider me above average though. If anything my high BPM HD DT accuracy is what makes me special. But maybe I'm just overrated....

Kaoskadosk wrote:

The maps he/she linked are way out of my league. The first time I tried them I died in mere seconds.

Aqo wrote:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/47757
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/55802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/60081

Silynn wrote:

what are you talking about

placebo dying is ez

pielak213- wrote:

-Soba- wrote:

I am the definition of average.

okay guys, being able to pass big black and doing this means you're average

pielak213- wrote:

okay guys, being able to pass big black and doing this means you're average

Full Tablet wrote:

Are you forgetting how many people play this game? If you are in the top 200.000 of the player rankings, you are above average already. Being able to FC a hard map puts you above average already, no matter what accuracy you have.

Not that being above average means much anyways. You generally aren't a relevant player unless you are in the top 98.168436% (roughly #2000 pp ranking or less)

Silynn wrote:

my skill level is shockingly below average for my rank

Full Tablet wrote:

Are you forgetting how many people play this game? If you are in the top 200.000 of the player rankings, you are above average already. Being able to FC a hard map puts you above average already, no matter what accuracy you have.

Brian OA wrote:

Full Tablet wrote:

Are you forgetting how many people play this game? If you are in the top 200.000 of the player rankings, you are above average already. Being able to FC a hard map puts you above average already, no matter what accuracy you have.

That is statistically correct, but not in practice. You've got thousands of players that only show up for a couple of days or weeks filling up the bottom ranks, as well as alts and whatnot. If you want average, you'd want to look at the active portion of the community, including the users that at least stuck around for a good while.

OT: I am the epitome of average.

JappyBabes wrote:

That wouldn't happen if you stuck to insanes getting shitty pp rewards instead of farming hards all day. You'd even have a chance at being in the underrated thread!

Silynn wrote:

JappyBabes wrote:

That wouldn't happen if you stuck to insanes getting shitty pp rewards instead of farming hards all day. You'd even have a chance at being in the underrated thread!

I don't know how to play insanes

pielak213- wrote:

-Soba- wrote:

I am the definition of average.

okay guys, being able to pass big black and doing this means you're average

Salvage wrote:

not having any A

Keredna wrote:

This is a pretty opinionated topic, but I'd like to know what is considered as average for osu! standard players now a days.

The people listed on the Top 10 most underrated players forum are clearly out of the window. I would even say the top 2000 players on global pp rank are top players.

Not to brag or anything, but I personally consider myself as an above average player (not qualified to be called a pro yet). But who knows, I might actually be just an average player who played too many maps. =P

PP probably isn't a consistent enough way to tell what a person's skill level is. I'm currently ranked in the top 3000s, but I've lost to players in the 5000s and 9000s before in multiplayer matches.

So yea, I'd like to hear from the public what you feel is considered average these days.

Salvage wrote:

not having any A

lolcubes wrote:

Salvage wrote:

not having any A

True. I am average.

:3

Iku Acme wrote:

The average player imo is able to FC hards with accuracies above 95% and regularly play normals.
Because the lobby is full of freaking normal/hards.

Posse wrote:

If we eliminate all those who played for a bit and quit, and those that are starting to play, I'd say average is to be able to fc any hard without issues, and clear all the "easy" insanes and at least be able to play (i.e. not losing 5 seconds into the map) some of the harder insanes (like some of val0108 maps i guess).

Now, if you mean average only taking into account the hardcore players, that's another matter.

Kanye West wrote:

Iku Acme wrote:

The average player imo is able to FC hards with accuracies above 95% and regularly play normals.
Because the lobby is full of freaking normal/hards.

Except most of the players in those lobbies can't even FC the normals

7H0R wrote:

Trying to figure out my skill level based on what's going on here...
There are a couple AR9, OD7-8 songs that I can FC without too much problem, but others that I can barely survive on. I feel like using those as a benchmark doesn't work very well.

Example: http://osu.ppy.sh/s/41686 Scarlet Rose
This song is OD7, AR9. I can't even last 10 seconds in it.

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/24875 Decisive Battle
This song is OD8, AR9 and I could FC it with enough tries. I have FCed any given part of this song.

Keep in mind, I play with a mouse.

Kanna wrote:

Being able to fc or at least getting A on easy Insane stuff like Siriru's maps imo

Aqo wrote:

It seems like the general consensus is that if you can FC DT maps in normal time with 95%+ acc then you're average.

Some DT maps from different mappers:

http://osu.ppy.sh/s/37313
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/53519
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/50322
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/50771
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/35629
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/42123
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/37627
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48336
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/17670
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/25802
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/41121
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/39031
http://osu.ppy.sh/b/147377&m=0
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/58329
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/28107
http://osu.ppy.sh/s/48189

xsrsbsns wrote:

stop posting in wrong thread

Keredna wrote:

What is consider as average for osu! standard?

7H0R wrote:

Trying to figure out my skill level based on what's going on here...

7H0R wrote:

Well, what are some good benchmark songs then?

Aqo wrote:

Those maps are good benchmarks (on their nomod speed) for an average player:
Maps:
...

silmarilen wrote:

no they are not, all of those maps are too hard for an average player

winber1 wrote:

A great miracle shall dawn upon our souls once this war fades into the mist

kriers wrote:

Skill is in my opinion not defined by what you can pass. If you are capable of FCing a map with a respectable accuracy, that's when you can call yourself able to play that map.

kriers wrote:

capability over actually doing it. I'm talking about being able to FC something in theory over having to prove it every single time.

Aqo wrote:

silmarilen wrote:

no they are not, all of those maps are too hard for an average player

wait what seriously? you mean those maps

and to be perfectly clear on this

NO MOD

are too hard for an average player?

what the heck

Ekaru wrote:

A lot of those Insanes aren't even DT maps.

Zarerion wrote:

A DT Map is a map that has a considerable amount of DT scores that are not by the second or third best player ever.

Aqo wrote:

it's possible

lolcubes wrote:

every average player should be able to

Aqo wrote:

No, a DT map is a map that's possible to FC DT. Whether you can or can't do it doesn't invalidate the fact that it's possible. If you disagree with this then Atama isn't even a map at all (because nobody FC'd it yet).