I get 80ms latency on average, thank the lord
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I am surprised that you can get such low latency. I've tried different PCs but none of them performs very well.
Proving this be a common issue requires a lot of valid testing samples, which takes a lot of effort, making it not worthy.
Since ppy already has a plan to add WASAPI output support, I better hang this up and wait.
I recorded myself, delay is indeed about 100ms, worse than I originally thought
Mp3 of recording here: http://puu.sh/nyBAk/3c83268efd.mp3
Both keyboard and laptop speakers were placed within a foot of the mic.
I have Win10, Pok3r keyboard with standard drivers, using DirectSound with a pretty generic audio card that comes with any decent Lenovo Laptop.
If you can fix my problem please do, because according to you something is seriously fucked with my computer.
Also have more tact before calling someone a "number barfer" next time, PR is important sometimes. Thanks.
Edit: Might be worth noting that this was tested in a Mania map, since for some reason Mania has an additional latency built in, at least that's how it seems.
Since I cannot believe you achieve <10ms I request proof. A recording of you mouse clicking and the resulting hit sounds coming out of the speakers. Preferably the hit sound would be a clicky one.
I would kill for audio delay reduction. The fun it provides is immeasurable.
Edit: I read the entire thread, I'll try to upgrade to Windows 10 and see if I get a difference
Edit2: With Windows 10 I'm getting ~51 ms mouse click to ingame hit sound delay. Which is about 6 ms better than Windows 8.1. Well that's nice. I still want to try out WASAPI though. And of course ASIO would be the ultimate heaven
Edit3: Recalculated the piano results with Windows 10:
Direct Sound ~60 ms
WASAPI ~50 ms
WASAPI in exclusive mode ~17 ms
If you can upload a proof that ASIO is working better with this random piano program, this could be a nice argument for this feature request. (Or i test it myself and upload the result)
Hnnnng. Yes please!
How are you even calculating 80ms
Topic Starter
Let me explain more here. The latency is made up of several parts:
1. Keyboard. As I know all keyboard would delay every single input to prevent double clicking. This latency is relative low.
2. USB polling rate. 125hz keyboards would give 8ms more while 1000hz keyboards give only 1ms. (PS/2 keyboards use interruption, giving nearly no latency)
3. Directsound buffer (or system sound mixer). This is the main part, since it takes about 50ms of total and could be cut off.
4. System side etc, generally this would not be the problem.
This request only involves the third part.
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1. Keyboard. As I know all keyboard would delay every single input to prevent double clicking. This latency is relative low.
2. USB polling rate. 125hz keyboards would give 8ms more while 1000hz keyboards give only 1ms. (PS/2 keyboards use interruption, giving nearly no latency)
3. Directsound buffer (or system sound mixer). This is the main part, since it takes about 50ms of total and could be cut off.
4. System side etc, generally this would not be the problem.
This request only involves the third part.
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I was talking to BilliumMoto, who quoted 80ms.
There's no way directsound adds 50ms. your sound card's drivers are FUCKED if that is the case.
Also your numbers are off. No (good) keyboard is as high as 40ms and most are FAR under 10ms. Get a high speed camera and actually measure your shit before barfing numbers.
There's no way directsound adds 50ms. your sound card's drivers are FUCKED if that is the case.
Also your numbers are off. No (good) keyboard is as high as 40ms and most are FAR under 10ms. Get a high speed camera and actually measure your shit before barfing numbers.
Topic Starter
I was told that keyboard delays about 20ms, whatever
If not directsound then it is the system mixer that gives 50ms, which is ASIO and WASAPI exclusive mode trying to bypass
I used "OR" because i cant exactly point out where the problem is.
EDIT: Microsoft has a document about Windows 10 Low Latency Audio. For not adjusted cases the buffer size is set to ~10ms, causing relatively high Roundtrip latency. A graph is under Measurement_Tools tag. (aiming at new api though)
If not directsound then it is the system mixer that gives 50ms, which is ASIO and WASAPI exclusive mode trying to bypass
I used "OR" because i cant exactly point out where the problem is.
EDIT: Microsoft has a document about Windows 10 Low Latency Audio. For not adjusted cases the buffer size is set to ~10ms, causing relatively high Roundtrip latency. A graph is under Measurement_Tools tag. (aiming at new api though)
I just did a full input-output path test on my system with osu! running at 240fps, which is nowhere near optimal. From mouse click to headphone output was averaging 36ms. That includes:
- mouse latency (logitech g500 wired running at 500hz ~2ms)
- osu! frame latency (up to 5ms)
- windows directsound routing (windows 10)
- my usb DAC headphone amplifier (i know this adds around 5-10ms)
i'd bet that the audio part of this is likely 20ms or less. i'd also bet an onboard sound card would do better than this in most cases.
test performed using iphone at 240fps, comparing milliseconds between physical click sound of mouse and headphone output of metronomehigh.wav (the thing that plays in the editor on upbeats of the metronome; used since it's high pitch and each to see in the waveform). note that 240fps is not a limiting factor as audio is not "framed" at that rate, but is 44.1khz, giving near perfect resolution.
- mouse latency (logitech g500 wired running at 500hz ~2ms)
- osu! frame latency (up to 5ms)
- windows directsound routing (windows 10)
- my usb DAC headphone amplifier (i know this adds around 5-10ms)
i'd bet that the audio part of this is likely 20ms or less. i'd also bet an onboard sound card would do better than this in most cases.
test performed using iphone at 240fps, comparing milliseconds between physical click sound of mouse and headphone output of metronomehigh.wav (the thing that plays in the editor on upbeats of the metronome; used since it's high pitch and each to see in the waveform). note that 240fps is not a limiting factor as audio is not "framed" at that rate, but is 44.1khz, giving near perfect resolution.
Does windows 7 differ from windows 10 and 8? in terms of audio ms and latency ?peppy wrote:
I just did a full input-output path test on my system with osu! running at 240fps, which is nowhere near optimal. From mouse click to headphone output was averaging 36ms. That includes:
- mouse latency (logitech g500 wired running at 500hz ~2ms)
- osu! frame latency (up to 5ms)
- windows directsound routing (windows 10)
- my usb DAC headphone amplifier (i know this adds around 5-10ms)
i'd bet that the audio part of this is likely 20ms or less. i'd also bet an onboard sound card would do better than this in most cases.
windows 10 > windows 8 > windows 7
win7 is when they introduced the new architecture, which was young (as were the drivers to support it).
win7 is when they introduced the new architecture, which was young (as were the drivers to support it).
Time to upgrade to windows 10 then d:peppy wrote:
windows 10 > windows 8 > windows 7
win7 is when they introduced the new architecture, which was young (as were the drivers to support it).
Keyboard latency IS generally around 10-40ms because of debounce code being poorly implemented/overcompensated. Not that it can't be close to 1ms, but only the romer g logitech switches and a4tech's optical switches achieve that currently.
The same state exists with mouse button latency, with logitech being a few ms and most other brands being around 8ms upto almost 40ms in a worst case scenario.
http://cdn.overclock.net/8/8e/8e56a60d_ ... 150718.png
The same state exists with mouse button latency, with logitech being a few ms and most other brands being around 8ms upto almost 40ms in a worst case scenario.
http://cdn.overclock.net/8/8e/8e56a60d_ ... 150718.png
I guess I chose well with my keyboard and mouse, as mine are within a few milliseconds in both cases!
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Topic Starter
o_opeppy wrote:
I just did a full input-output path test on my system with osu! running at 240fps, which is nowhere near optimal. From mouse click to headphone output was averaging 36ms. That includes:
- mouse latency (logitech g500 wired running at 500hz ~2ms)
- osu! frame latency (up to 5ms)
- windows directsound routing (windows 10)
- my usb DAC headphone amplifier (i know this adds around 5-10ms)
i'd bet that the audio part of this is likely 20ms or less. i'd also bet an onboard sound card would do better than this in most cases.
test performed using iphone at 240fps, comparing milliseconds between physical click sound of mouse and headphone output of metronomehigh.wav (the thing that plays in the editor on upbeats of the metronome; used since it's high pitch and each to see in the waveform). note that 240fps is not a limiting factor as audio is not "framed" at that rate, but is 44.1khz, giving near perfect resolution.
I am surprised that you can get such low latency. I've tried different PCs but none of them performs very well.
Proving this be a common issue requires a lot of valid testing samples, which takes a lot of effort, making it not worthy.
Since ppy already has a plan to add WASAPI output support, I better hang this up and wait.
I thought it is deltaMAX thread
peppy wrote:
I was talking to BilliumMoto, who quoted 80ms.
There's no way directsound adds 50ms. your sound card's drivers are FUCKED if that is the case.
Also your numbers are off. No (good) keyboard is as high as 40ms and most are FAR under 10ms. Get a high speed camera and actually measure your shit before barfing numbers.
I recorded myself, delay is indeed about 100ms, worse than I originally thought
Mp3 of recording here: http://puu.sh/nyBAk/3c83268efd.mp3
Both keyboard and laptop speakers were placed within a foot of the mic.
I have Win10, Pok3r keyboard with standard drivers, using DirectSound with a pretty generic audio card that comes with any decent Lenovo Laptop.
If you can fix my problem please do, because according to you something is seriously fucked with my computer.
Also have more tact before calling someone a "number barfer" next time, PR is important sometimes. Thanks.
Edit: Might be worth noting that this was tested in a Mania map, since for some reason Mania has an additional latency built in, at least that's how it seems.
^...I consider myself a latency snob, and even I find that hard to believe... Even the worst mechanical keyboards (aka Razer) have measured delays of around 30ms. Unless you're doing something ridiculous like running the game with Vsync turned on (or even playing in windowed mode), there has to be something incredibly wrong with your setup or method of measurement.
I can assure you that Vsync is not on, and that the recording was made while playing in fullscreen.
Also that this has been the latency I've experienced since day one of installing osu (on a different computer from the one I currently use).
If I'm really the only dude out of thousands who experience latency problems this bad, so be it.
Also that this has been the latency I've experienced since day one of installing osu (on a different computer from the one I currently use).
If I'm really the only dude out of thousands who experience latency problems this bad, so be it.
I can assure you that what you are seeing is very likely not a directsound-related issue. I'm pretty sure switching out directsound alone will not fix your problem, unfortunately.
Try to find out if the USB port you are using is going through an extra hub. If I use my keyboard through the ASMedia ASM1042 hub that controls half of my USB ports on the motherboard it adds roughly 55ms but I can avoid this by going straight to the chipset. Only one out of the 8 keyboards I tried was noticeably different than the others, even my cheap scissor switch model matched the input latency of my mechanical keyboards.
USB hubs can be quite bad, yes.
A very exciting result.
According to Microsoft's documentation, I upgrade my computer's operating system from win7 to win10, and change to the driver by Microsoft win10 from the third-party driver.
In win7 or win10 with third-party driver, Repeated testing shows my computer has 55-65ms delay to get the hitsounds with keyboard, but in win10 with MS's driver. My 1000Hz keyboard testing's result is about 40ms, relatively stable, 125Hz mouse results between 45ms to 60ms, not very stable.
The delay has been greatly reduced obviously.
Keyboard Testing Picture
Keyboard Sounds Recording Files
Mouse Testing Picture
Mouse Sounds Recording Files
Sounds Card: ALC888(onboard)
Keyboard:CM Quick Fire(1000hz)
Mouse:Lenovo N14608(125hz)
Drivers:10.0.10240.16384
According to Microsoft's documentation, I upgrade my computer's operating system from win7 to win10, and change to the driver by Microsoft win10 from the third-party driver.
In win7 or win10 with third-party driver, Repeated testing shows my computer has 55-65ms delay to get the hitsounds with keyboard, but in win10 with MS's driver. My 1000Hz keyboard testing's result is about 40ms, relatively stable, 125Hz mouse results between 45ms to 60ms, not very stable.
The delay has been greatly reduced obviously.
Keyboard Testing Picture
Keyboard Sounds Recording Files
Mouse Testing Picture
Mouse Sounds Recording Files
Sounds Card: ALC888(onboard)
Keyboard:CM Quick Fire(1000hz)
Mouse:Lenovo N14608(125hz)
Drivers:10.0.10240.16384
I experience insane audio delays when DOLBY digital plus is turned on. Turning it off lowers the latency significantly, so watch out for that.
Yes, you don't want DOLBY on. Also turn off all windows-level "enhancements":
Danshi_old_1
It's for the best. If you have loudness equaliser on, your audio volume will be very dynamic in places it shouldn't be.
Oooooooooohhhh! Finally I found this! 
I think this will correct osu!'s accuracy in audio output~. 
I think this will correct osu!'s accuracy in audio output~. I've been thinking about this for the past year. Finally it's actually coming to the attention of everyone else. I seriously hope this becomes a thing.
May I ask how you measure 10ms delay, because if I had it, I would be pretty happy. I measure 51-56ms delay on my computer from mouse click to actual hitsound with the best settings I managed to find.peppy wrote:
As mentioned in the OP, the usual case is well under 10ms latency using DirectSound (I've tested on multiple onboard and external sound cards). Adding ASIO support brings with it compatibility issues, futher dependencies, and usually not enough gain to be worth it.
I've experimented with ASIO previously (a few years ago) and it wasn't worth the effort. These days that applies even more so, as sounds cards (and their support for DirectSound) and windows mixing latency are in a far better state than when ASIO was actually useful.
There's better gains to be made elsewhere, such as decoupling the input handling from draw process (something we are working on this year).
WSAPI on the other hand is something that is possible (it's basically a single flag change in the library we use) but requires updating the library to the latest version. This is something on my short-term priority list for other reasons, so you may see that happen in the very near future.
I can assure you that what you are seeing is very likely not a directsound-related issue. I'm pretty sure switching out directsound alone will not fix your problem, unfortunately.
I tested on a random piano program the delays of WASAPI, ASIO and Direct Sound. Had microphone near mouse and speakers, clicked a few times, found the average delay between the two. WASAPI - ~55 ms. ASIO @ 128 buffer size ~20 ms. ASIO @ 512 buffer size ~35ms. Direct Sound ~ 70 ms. So ASIO definitely 100% fixes the problem. I tested directly in osu! as well and got ~57 ms. I tested the delay on 7 friend's PC's as well and it was never below 50 ms. It was usually 50-100 ms.peppy wrote:
I can assure you that what you are seeing is very likely not a directsound-related issue. I'm pretty sure switching out directsound alone will not fix your problem, unfortunately.
Since I cannot believe you achieve <10ms I request proof. A recording of you mouse clicking and the resulting hit sounds coming out of the speakers. Preferably the hit sound would be a clicky one.
I would kill for audio delay reduction. The fun it provides is immeasurable.
Edit: I read the entire thread, I'll try to upgrade to Windows 10 and see if I get a difference
Edit2: With Windows 10 I'm getting ~51 ms mouse click to ingame hit sound delay. Which is about 6 ms better than Windows 8.1. Well that's nice. I still want to try out WASAPI though. And of course ASIO would be the ultimate heaven
Edit3: Recalculated the piano results with Windows 10:
Direct Sound ~60 ms
WASAPI ~50 ms
WASAPI in exclusive mode ~17 ms
Zinkon wrote:
I tested on a random piano program the delays of WASAPI, ASIO and Direct Sound. Had microphone near mouse and speakers, clicked a few times, found the average delay between the two. WASAPI - ~55 ms. ASIO @ 128 buffer size ~20 ms. ASIO @ 512 buffer size ~35ms. Direct Sound ~ 70 ms. So ASIO definitely 100% fixes the problem. I tested directly in osu! as well and got ~57 ms. I tested the delay on 7 friend's PC's as well and it was never below 50 ms. It was usually 50-100 ms.peppy wrote:
I can assure you that what you are seeing is very likely not a directsound-related issue. I'm pretty sure switching out directsound alone will not fix your problem, unfortunately.
Since I cannot believe you achieve <10ms I request proof. A recording of you mouse clicking and the resulting hit sounds coming out of the speakers. Preferably the hit sound would be a clicky one.
I would kill for audio delay reduction. The fun it provides is immeasurable.
Edit: I read the entire thread, I'll try to upgrade to Windows 10 and see if I get a difference
Edit2: With Windows 10 I'm getting ~51 ms mouse click to ingame hit sound delay. Which is about 6 ms better than Windows 8.1. Well that's nice. I still want to try out WASAPI though. And of course ASIO would be the ultimate heaven
If you can upload a proof that ASIO is working better with this random piano program, this could be a nice argument for this feature request. (Or i test it myself and upload the result)
Here is the guide Zinkon used. You can use it and verify the results yourself and get pseudo ASIO hitsounds for Osu.[ Rin Satsuki ] wrote:
Zinkon wrote:
I tested on a random piano program the delays of WASAPI, ASIO and Direct Sound. Had microphone near mouse and speakers, clicked a few times, found the average delay between the two. WASAPI - ~55 ms. ASIO @ 128 buffer size ~20 ms. ASIO @ 512 buffer size ~35ms. Direct Sound ~ 70 ms. So ASIO definitely 100% fixes the problem. I tested directly in osu! as well and got ~57 ms. I tested the delay on 7 friend's PC's as well and it was never below 50 ms. It was usually 50-100 ms.
Since I cannot believe you achieve <10ms I request proof. A recording of you mouse clicking and the resulting hit sounds coming out of the speakers. Preferably the hit sound would be a clicky one.
I would kill for audio delay reduction. The fun it provides is immeasurable.
Edit: I read the entire thread, I'll try to upgrade to Windows 10 and see if I get a difference
Edit2: With Windows 10 I'm getting ~51 ms mouse click to ingame hit sound delay. Which is about 6 ms better than Windows 8.1. Well that's nice. I still want to try out WASAPI though. And of course ASIO would be the ultimate heaven
If you can upload a proof that ASIO is working better with this random piano program, this could be a nice argument for this feature request. (Or i test it myself and upload the result)
Recalculated the piano results with Windows 10:
Direct Sound ~60 ms Proof: Image Sound file
WASAPI ~50 ms Proof: Image Sound file
WASAPI in exclusive mode ~17 ms Proof: Image Sound file
osu! ingame ~51 ms Proof: Image Sound file
Basically my dream right now is a WASAPI audio option with an "Exclusive mode" checkbox. Didn't even test ASIO because WASAPI is plenty good enough and peppy already said it was easy enough to implement. So now I'm shaking with excitement
Direct Sound ~60 ms Proof: Image Sound file
WASAPI ~50 ms Proof: Image Sound file
WASAPI in exclusive mode ~17 ms Proof: Image Sound file
osu! ingame ~51 ms Proof: Image Sound file
Basically my dream right now is a WASAPI audio option with an "Exclusive mode" checkbox. Didn't even test ASIO because WASAPI is plenty good enough and peppy already said it was easy enough to implement. So now I'm shaking with excitement
]Zinkon wrote:
WASAPI in exclusive mode ~17 ms Proof: Image Sound file
Hnnnng. Yes please!
Yes please. I've never been able to properly use hitsounds because of my UO offset, so if this can somehow help, it'd be truly amazing..
I like your test, Zinkon. I performed roughly the same test to bring up more evidence that WASAPI exclusive mode or ASIO makes a very significant difference for at least some people. I've had to disable hitsounds due to high latency in osu!, but keysounds in LR2 with ASIO playback have never bothered me a bit.
My setup:
On the bottom right of every screenshot you can see the duration of the selected area in seconds.
Keyboard + ASIO: ~15ms
Keyboard + WASAPI: ~15ms
Keyboard + Directsound: ~113ms
Keyboard + osu!mania hitsounds (directsound?): ~62ms
I've had my UO at -52ms with hitsounds disabled for a while now before running this test, so my test results seem to somewhat agree with my UO. I couldn't get Reaper to use directsound with low buffer sizes. I ended up with 2 buffers of 892 samples. 2 buffers with 880 samples refused to make any kind of sound, not even popping and crackling. So there might be something I can do to lower that 113ms, but I'm not sure how.
TL;DR: ASIO and WASAPI give me 15ms delay between key press and audio playback. Htsound delay in osu! is 60ms for me. WASAPI / ASIO needs to happen.
My setup:
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- Windows 10
- i7 5820k 6-core @ 3.3GHz
- Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 USB audio interface
- Shure SM57 microphone
- Sennheiser HD558 headphones
- Filco Majestouch 2 keyboard, using the PS/2 connector
- Reaper DAW
On the bottom right of every screenshot you can see the duration of the selected area in seconds.
Keyboard + ASIO: ~15ms
Keyboard + WASAPI: ~15ms
Keyboard + Directsound: ~113ms
Keyboard + osu!mania hitsounds (directsound?): ~62ms
I've had my UO at -52ms with hitsounds disabled for a while now before running this test, so my test results seem to somewhat agree with my UO. I couldn't get Reaper to use directsound with low buffer sizes. I ended up with 2 buffers of 892 samples. 2 buffers with 880 samples refused to make any kind of sound, not even popping and crackling. So there might be something I can do to lower that 113ms, but I'm not sure how.
TL;DR: ASIO and WASAPI give me 15ms delay between key press and audio playback. Htsound delay in osu! is 60ms for me. WASAPI / ASIO needs to happen.
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If you have an ASIO only soundcard (like mine, INFRASONIC QUARTET, a recording card which isn't intended for gaming) you'll have definitely latency issues since it has to emulate directsound for applications that won't run on ASIO.
I have to switch back to onboard soundcard whenever I play osu!.
These are my latency outputs:
ASIO CARD emulating DIRECTSOUND at 512 samples: 125ms (I've been playing like this lately and it's terrible)
ASIO CARD emulating DIRECTSOUND at 256 samples (default for most cards): 102ms
ASIO CARD emulating DIRECTSOUND at 48 samples: 85ms
ONBOARD DIRECTSOUND: 65ms
ONBOARD ASIO4ALL: Haven't tested it yet.
ASIO 512 samples: 60ms
ASIO 256 samples: 38ms
ASIO 48 samples: 25ms
Note that I did these tests with a really cheap Genius standard keyboard instead a decent mechanical one, which may also add extra 15 ms to my results.
But I post this for people with this issue desperately looking for a way to run osu! on ASIO: Best advice for now is to switch back to onboard when playing this game.
I have to switch back to onboard soundcard whenever I play osu!.
These are my latency outputs:
ASIO CARD emulating DIRECTSOUND at 512 samples: 125ms (I've been playing like this lately and it's terrible)
ASIO CARD emulating DIRECTSOUND at 256 samples (default for most cards): 102ms
ASIO CARD emulating DIRECTSOUND at 48 samples: 85ms
ONBOARD DIRECTSOUND: 65ms
ONBOARD ASIO4ALL: Haven't tested it yet.
ASIO 512 samples: 60ms
ASIO 256 samples: 38ms
ASIO 48 samples: 25ms
Note that I did these tests with a really cheap Genius standard keyboard instead a decent mechanical one, which may also add extra 15 ms to my results.
But I post this for people with this issue desperately looking for a way to run osu! on ASIO: Best advice for now is to switch back to onboard when playing this game.
There's no reason why any ASIO-capable device cannot provide the drivers required by DirectSound. On a slightly different note: DirectSound has been using WASAPI internally since Vista came out (it has also been deprecated since Vista).ARGENTINE DREAM wrote:
If you have an ASIO only soundcard (like mine, INFRASONIC QUARTET, a recording card which isn't intended for gaming) you'll have definitely latency issues since it has to emulate directsound for applications that won't run on ASIO.
....
I do remember setting my Universal Offset with ppy's latency test map and my onboard audio (rather than my USB audio interface). I got it at ~-70ms, similar to what it was with my USB interface. YMMV, of course.ARGENTINE DREAM wrote:
But I post this for people with this issue desperately looking for a way to run osu! on ASIO: Best advice for now is to switch back to onboard when playing this game.
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It's just some devices weren't thought for running DirectSound, as I stated earlier, those may emulate DirectSound better than onboard cards and using way lower CPU processing, but at the cost of adding some milliseconds to the actual output.Kempie wrote:
There's no reason why any ASIO-capable device cannot provide the drivers required by DirectSound
That's probably the latency most players get when running osu! unless they have some CPU or GPU issues.Kempie wrote:
I got it at ~-70ms
I measured 34~43ms latency on hitsound.
here's my method:
I'll put a link to my ProTools Session below. Do the calculation yourself if you intrust me.
It's fine if you don't have ProTools since there're audio files in the "Audio Files" folder. by importing them into any DAW you could see the waveform (such as Audacity (it's free!)).
As an audio engineer I have confident about the result I put here.
(BTW the latency between the keyboard and VSTi host are about 6~13ms. So compared to the Dsound delay it's LOW)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1GPsHEY02rQuWIMwJ-4b6ji7ehA_b_yG1 here's the session.
sorry for that the file names has no relationship to the content.
here's my method:
- although It's not directly related to DirectSound but I recorded my keystroke sound.
- when I hit any key, an ASIO based VSTi host will produce a sound output to my soundcard (host buffer is 0.67ms, ASIO buffer is 3.458ms. My AD-DA added roughly 1.5ms latency also.
- I routed osu to my onboard output to separate different sound source. Also because this should be the most typical situation for most players.
- I confirmed that my hit-sound has no muted part at the start.
- I played osu without music so it's pure hit-sound.
- I recorded all three Audio stream(keystroke sound, sound produced by VSTi host, Osu hit-sound) using one multi-channel ADC connected to the ProTools System to ensure absolutely synced recording.
- By calculating the gap between VSTi produced sound and Osu hit-sound with ASIO latency included, we will find out the latency between a key-stroke is registered and the sound coming out from ADC.(Since ADC latency are vary and we have no control of that It's not included in the calculation.)
- Do the calculation Multiple times to get more accurate results.
I'll put a link to my ProTools Session below. Do the calculation yourself if you intrust me.
It's fine if you don't have ProTools since there're audio files in the "Audio Files" folder. by importing them into any DAW you could see the waveform (such as Audacity (it's free!)).
As an audio engineer I have confident about the result I put here.
(BTW the latency between the keyboard and VSTi host are about 6~13ms. So compared to the Dsound delay it's LOW)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1GPsHEY02rQuWIMwJ-4b6ji7ehA_b_yG1 here's the session.
sorry for that the file names has no relationship to the content.
- 音频 1_03.wav - Key stroke.
- 音频 2_03.L.wav, 音频 2_03.R.wav - Stereo recorded osu sound.
- 音频 3_03.L.wav, 音频 3_03.R.wav - VSTi Hosted produced sound.
To put to rest the notion that this is "not a direct sound issue".
Microsoft reports 48ms round trip latency (around 30ms for output) in their documentation https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/audio/low-latency-audio
I was able to achieve ~30ms latency by capturing on the driver output directly in an ESXI VM. However, Microsoft also defaults to a 10ms hardware buffer. This will realistically put audio latency at around 40ms under *ideal* circumstances, which is terrible. Considering CoreAudio, ALSA, ASIO, etc... can all reasonably achieve <5ms.
Here are some measurements of actual latencies (internal timers, does not include kb latency):
Realtek ALC1220 DirectSound - 42 ms
Realtek ALC1220 DirectSound + REAL - 34 ms
Realtek ALC1220 WASAPI - 25 ms
Realtek ALC1220 CoreAudio 32 sample buffer - 3 ms
Cirrus CS42L83A DirectSound - 38 ms
Cirrus CS42L83A DirectSound + REAL - 31 ms
Cirrus CS42L83A WASAPI - 24 ms
Cirrus CS42L83A CoreAudio 32 sample buffer - 3 ms
Note: The hardware buffer can be reduced using REAL
https://github.com/miniant-git/REAL
The 70-80 ms latencies people are reporting are likely not due to directsound alone, though in any case, directsound is a significant contribution. Directsound has not had a direct interface to the driver since windows XP. It was deprecated in Windows Vista and has since ran as an emulated device in WASAPI. There should be reason to use directsound other than that the code for it already exists (and I entirely understand not wanting to change a "mostly working" system).
Microsoft reports 48ms round trip latency (around 30ms for output) in their documentation https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/drivers/audio/low-latency-audio
I was able to achieve ~30ms latency by capturing on the driver output directly in an ESXI VM. However, Microsoft also defaults to a 10ms hardware buffer. This will realistically put audio latency at around 40ms under *ideal* circumstances, which is terrible. Considering CoreAudio, ALSA, ASIO, etc... can all reasonably achieve <5ms.
Here are some measurements of actual latencies (internal timers, does not include kb latency):
Realtek ALC1220 DirectSound - 42 ms
Realtek ALC1220 DirectSound + REAL - 34 ms
Realtek ALC1220 WASAPI - 25 ms
Realtek ALC1220 CoreAudio 32 sample buffer - 3 ms
Cirrus CS42L83A DirectSound - 38 ms
Cirrus CS42L83A DirectSound + REAL - 31 ms
Cirrus CS42L83A WASAPI - 24 ms
Cirrus CS42L83A CoreAudio 32 sample buffer - 3 ms
Note: The hardware buffer can be reduced using REAL
https://github.com/miniant-git/REAL
The 70-80 ms latencies people are reporting are likely not due to directsound alone, though in any case, directsound is a significant contribution. Directsound has not had a direct interface to the driver since windows XP. It was deprecated in Windows Vista and has since ran as an emulated device in WASAPI. There should be reason to use directsound other than that the code for it already exists (and I entirely understand not wanting to change a "mostly working" system).
Necroing because the title incorrectly says "[added]". OP asked about EXCLUSIVE audio, not just WASAPI in general, and we don't have that yet. The related github issue is also still open.
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Fuck this, man. This is still relevant as hell.
I have about 45 ms delay from keypress to the actual hitsound. I still have not a single fucking clue of how to get it to at least 10ms or smth. The guide https://www.twitch.tv/videos/170813020 didn't help at all lol.
I have about 45 ms delay from keypress to the actual hitsound. I still have not a single fucking clue of how to get it to at least 10ms or smth. The guide https://www.twitch.tv/videos/170813020 didn't help at all lol.
I've been playing osu some days for 8 years. I was always feeling like something's off. Within these 8 years I started playing the guitar and diving into music as a hobby. Although I have now decent audio card and other PC, the delay has not disappeared from osu, while at the same time I can't feel any delay with my plugged in guitar (with ASIO driver, which is the only option for a DAW and a sound card). When I returned back to osu recently, I disabled all the sound effects and set the offset for audio to be 150 ms. Instead of hitsounds I listen now to my keyboard press sounds. That has fixed for me the issue, but this thing is very strange.