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Team Fortress 2 Mafia (BLU SPY WIN) - I'm Coming For You!

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0_o
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0_o
Well a Paranoid Gun Owner lynch is the best mislynch scenario, so that's not too bad I suppose.

Kokizi said literally one word this entire game, and he was only mentioned/voted for once by Mashley:
[quote="Mashley":e465c]4 day days? Damn.... I'm gonna Unvote, vote Kokizi because his only contribution since game start has been 'hello' and this sets alarm bells ringing for me. He's the person I'm most comfortable lynching at this stage.It's possible he was teleported, though we'll never be able to know for sure. Honestly, if I were mafia I might have just killed him off because he was inactive just to keep the game alive, but that's just me.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
If you're a Blue Spy, that is.
I don't get the Teleportation thing.
0_o
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0_o

Quaraezha wrote:

I don't get the Teleportation thing.
Basically, the engineer would choose two targets, and anything that targets one would target the other instead.

For example, say BLU chooses A as the nightkill, and a pyro investigates person B. If the engineer targets persons A and B, then B would be nightkilled and A would be investigated.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Why would Kokizi flip himself with someone else? As a town busdriver, screwing up reports on yourself is the worst move to make.
0_o
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0_o

Wojjan wrote:

Why would Kokizi flip himself with someone else? As a town busdriver, screwing up reports on yourself is the worst move to make.
Aaaand I'm an idiot. When I typed that I knew that Kokizi was an engineer, and I knew that the engineer died, but my brain didn't put those two facts together >_>
0_o
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0_o
I don't think engineers can teleport themselves, can they? I recall we got rid of that rule after last game.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
What does the soldier even do? I know he's a motivator, but what does that mean? Does he guarantee the night action to go through?
0_o
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0_o

Wojjan wrote:

What does the soldier even do? I know he's a motivator, but what does that mean? Does he guarantee the night action to go through?
Well here's what the MafiaWiki says:
[quote="MafiaWiki":973d9]A Motivator, also called a Monolith on IRC, is a role which can cause the target's role to temporarily/permanently 'evolve'. In designing the game setup, the Game Moderator determines what each role will become when it is targeted by the monolith - for example, a Tracker may become a Cop.

The name 'Motivator' also refers to a role which can target another player and give them the ability to use their role's actions twice in the same Night.So given the game's theme, maybe motivation adds another weapon to their arsenal (sniper gets jarate spy checking ability, etc.)?

Though I suppose we could ask NoHItter himself, since we know exactly what all the other roles do.

mod: How does a soldier's motivation work?
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Oh just a side note before I prod everyone again, 0_o, I'd rahter you didn't give me town points for doing something any sane player would do when a game drops silent.
0_o
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0_o

Wojjan wrote:

Oh just a side note before I prod everyone again, 0_o, I'd rahter you didn't give me town points for doing something any sane player would do when a game drops silent.
When you have pretty much nothing else to go on, you take what you can get.
Mara
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Mara
I've really got nothing to comment yet, feels like my brain is going slow right now. I would go for another random vote, but that's damn dumb in D2 and too risky.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
uhmm... No Lynch?
Nah, that's silly.

Are all the roles' actions for Night only?
Mashley
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Mashley
I'd agree with a No Lynch if others are for it, there's nothing to go on today.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
We still haven't heard from Lybydose or dkun. Either of them may be the pyro with a guilty. While I doubt that they are (usually you'd say these things at the start of day) it's still possible, and I think it'd warrant waiting for them.
NoHitter
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0_o wrote:

mod: How does a soldier's motivation work?
The game is a closed set-up.
Edit: Fine. It's a semi-open set-up. Anyway, how the roles work is something I won't tell - not yet at least.
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Wojjan
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Wojjan

NoHItter wrote:

Roles:
RED Team:
1 - Commuter Scout (Bonk! Atomic Punch)
1 - Motivator Soldier (Buff Banner)
1 - Cop Pyro (Flame Spychecking)
1 - Paranoid Gun Owner Demoman (Stickytrap)
1 - Roleblocker Heavy (Natascha Slowdown)
1 - Bus Driver Engineer (Teleporters)
1 - Doctor Medic (Ubercharge)
1 - One-Shot Bulletproof Sniper (Razorback)
1 - Vigilante Spy (Backstab)

BLU Team:
2 - One-Shot Kill-Immune Spies (Dead Ringer)

The two BLU Spies will kill off two other random classes and assume the killed classes.
They are told which classes have been killed of for them to blend in.
The BLU Spies will also have one faction kill and one faction roleblock every night.
No it isn't.
Lybydose
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nah I've got nothing

I don't think no lynch is a good idea though. We'd be at 4 town vs. 2 mafia tomorrow, meaning we'd be at MyLo - mislynch and lose. Of course we could vote no lynch again tomorrow, but either way we would only get 1 chance at a successful lynch. If we lynch today and miss, we still get another shot tomorrow. I don't have the patience to do the probability calculations, but I assure you 2 lynches gives a greater chance of hitting a mafioso than 1.

Ok sure, the above assumes the worst case scenario that the mafia kill someone every night. There are certainly reasons they could fail the kill: roleblocking heavy, commuting scout, medic protection, sniper thing.

Generally the best reason to go with no lynch is to give the aux roles time to do their stuff. In this case though, there are reasons this could work against us: Is there actually a cop, or is he mafia? What if the motivator motivates a spy (I still don't know what this does)? What if the vigilante kills us instead? What if we learn absolutely nothing from night actions thanks to roleblocks and kills? We'd be wasting time voting no lynch when the best way to find scum is through lynching and analyzing votes.
dkun
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dkun
i'd say there's really nothing to go on as well.
as doc said, a no lynch would be a bad idea. but then again, is there anything else we can do?

oh and, my apologies for my inactivity. should be clearing up now.
Mashley
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Mashley
Alright, with no leads it's time to vote no lynch.
Wojjan
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Wojjan

Lybydose wrote:

I don't have the patience to do the probability calculations, but I assure you 2 lynches gives a greater chance of hitting a mafioso than 1.
Kokizi
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Kokizi
Sorry guys, I totally forgot that I was playing a mafia game. was really busy this week. reading everything tom, almost 3am here. ;_;
Mashley
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Mashley

Kokizi wrote:

Sorry guys, I totally forgot that I was playing a mafia game. was really busy this week. reading everything tom, almost 3am here. ;_;
Um, you got nightkilled
Mara
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Mara
Oh god I lol'd.
Mara
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Mara
Also not supporting no lynch, even though this is not getting anywhere.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Can we assume that the Blue Spies are smart people and would not want the thread to die?
Also assuming that they are active
Since they nightkilled Kokizi, one of the inactives.
dkun
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Quaraezha wrote:

Can we assume that the Blue Spies are smart people and would not want the thread to die?
Also assuming that they are active
Since they nightkilled Kokizi, one of the inactives.
this logic points to two people in my mind.

well then
Kokizi
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Kokizi

Mashley wrote:

Kokizi wrote:

Sorry guys, I totally forgot that I was playing a mafia game. was really busy this week. reading everything tom, almost 3am here. ;_;
Um, you got nightkilled
roflmao. anyways, gl guys.
Mashley
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Mashley
Well if we're going to lynch someone, we have to decide soon as there's less than 24 hours left.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
I don't want to take any chances but we could prooobably lynch the most inactive.
But it's too risky, we might as well go for No Lynch anyway.
Wojjan
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Wojjan

Quaraezha wrote:

Can we assume that the Blue Spies are smart people and would not want the thread to die?
Also assuming that they are active
Since they nightkilled Kokizi, one of the inactives.
there is just so much wrong with this post that I want to horribly murder you.

I'll settle for a vote instead. V: Q

Assuming that the Blue Spies are active is a TERRIBLE reason to lynch active players. You're basically using a bullshit excuse to suspect active players.

And then you flip straight to inactive players. What the FUCK
Wojjan
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Quaraezha wrote:

I don't want to take any chances but we could prooobably lynch the most inactive.
But it's too risky, we might as well go for No Lynch anyway.
And it's NOT too risky, as LYby already said, and as aready has been proven in countless games, including this forum, it's not better to no lynch.
NoHitter
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VOTE COUNT
Quaraezha (1) - Wojjan
No Lynch (1) - Mashley

Not Voting (5) - Lybydose, LunaticMara, 0_o, Quaraezha, dkun

WITH 7 ALIVE, IT TAKES 4 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN ROUGHLY 22 HOURS, 40 MIN
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Because you people can't think of anything and I just blurted out whatever I had in mind just to lynch someone for sake of discussion. And by someone, I mean Blue Spies.
0_o
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0_o

Quaraezha wrote:

Because you people can't think of anything and I just blurted out whatever I had in mind just to lynch someone for sake of discussion. And by someone, I mean Blue Spies.
It is a little contradictory that you propose to lynch someone inactive after saying that the mafia probably consists of active people..
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Since you probably did not like the idea of lynching active members, might as well go for inactive.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Oh well you probably don't kie the idea of lynching yourself, right 0_o?

Yeah let's lynch Quartz instead.
0_o
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0_o
I dunno, I still think he's town from the mistake he made about the setup at the beginning.

I do see Q's logic with the mafia possibly killing off Koki to keep the game moving (I brought up the same thing myself), but really, seeing as most of us are among the more active players in other games I could really see any one of us killing off inactives. The only ones I'm not sure about are dkun and Mara, since I haven't played with them very much/at all.

At the moment I'm actually the most suspicious of Mash, as he seems set on a no lynch even though I think it's been made pretty clear that it isn't beneficial for the town. Why the persistence?
Mashley
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Mashley
Well if we're going to lynch someone, it might as well be him
Vote Q
Wojjan
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Wojjan
I agree with Mashley as scum, mostly because the moment you said "sticking to a no lynch is weird" he decided to lynch someone. STill, Q has been rolefishing on day one, and endlessly tripping over himself day two. If we have a mislynch, we can use it on the biggest liability.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
EBWOP, Q, the deadline is within 24 hours. Do you have something worth claiming?
Mashley
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Mashley

Wojjan wrote:

I agree with Mashley as scum, mostly because the moment you said "sticking to a no lynch is weird" he decided to lynch someone
I didn't understand the point people were trying to make at first but after looking at it a bit more I realise that a lynch is more useful.
Lybydose
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Lybydose
FoS: Mashley

It seems like he's just following day 2 bandwagons:

Q proposes a no lynch, Mashley quickly jumps on:

Mashley wrote:

I'd agree with a No Lynch if others are for it, there's nothing to go on today.
Once it became obvious that most people were against it (and only after multiple people posted, he stayed with the no lynch even after I pointed out how it's a bad idea), he quickly jumped ship to the bandwagon on Q.
Lybydose
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Lybydose
well, ok

vote: Mashley
0_o
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0_o
Alright I'm going to bed, pretty sure I won't be up in time for the deadline so:

vote Mashley

If you haven't voted already, please do so by the end of the day..
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Okay back from school.

I'm just gonna say that my strategy was:
"Think of whatever lynch ideas you could come up with until the others liked it"

0_o wrote:

If you haven't voted already, please do so by the end of the day..
Very well then

Vote: Mashley
Lybydose
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Lybydose
are you doing this on purpose Q
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Doing what on purpose?
That silly strategy or voting on Mash?
Lybydose
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Lybydose
being really stupid

Your "strategy" is such an obviously bad one that I can no longer tell if you're being serious or not.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
I guess I'm not really being serious to this game, while at the same time, interested to participate.
I'm just throwing out whatever to keep the thread alive.
Mara
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Mara
Just bein' in here, votin' and doin' nothin'.

Vote: Mashley
NoHitter
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VOTE COUNT
Mashley (4) - Lybydose, 0_o, Quaraezha, LunaticMara
Quaraezha (2) - Wojjan, Mashley

Not Voting (1) - dkun

Mashley has been lynched.
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Battlements...

The speaker crackled.
"Mashley? Are you guys sure? Fine then, but it's your funeral."
Server cvar 'kill Mashley"

Mashley's body fell on a ground and a butterfly knife fell next to it.
People were rejoicing until they noticed that the resulting body was actually red.
Mashley - RED Spy - Lynched - Day 2


"Oh great. Now Greenpeace is going to be down my neck for killing an endangered species. I hope you guys are happy."
IT IS NOW NIGHT 2.
ALL ACTIONS MUST BE SENT IN 48 HOURS
NoHitter
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Sewer...

Wojjan proceeded to enter the sewers. It wasn't the best place to snack, but it was a hidden spot, so it would be safe theoretically. Just to be sure though, the back was on a corner. No spy could backstab someone in a corner!
Wojjan then proceeded to bring out the Sandvich and proceeded to take a bite out of it. "Nom-Nom-Nom-Om-Nom."

Suddenly a spy uncloaked out in the open. Just as Wojjan started eating the sanwich, the spy brought out the knife and taunted.
The spy then started to swing the knife in a taunting manner. "I'm going to gut you like a cornish game hen!"

We all know what happened next.
Wojjan - RED Heavy - Nightkilled - Night 2

(Pro-tip. Right-click to drop your Sandvich instead of taunting to eat it.)

IT IS NOW DAY 3.
WITH 5 ALIVE, IT TAKES 3 TO HAMMER.
DEADLINE IS IN 96 HOURS.
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Lybydose
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roleclaim: Pyro

N1 I checked LunaticMara and found him RED
N2 I checked dkun and found him BLU

vote: dkun
0_o
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0_o
So alright, there's a 7/9 (78%) chance that we actually do have a pyro so unless anyone else counterclaims, statistically, trusting Lyby may be our best bet. However, if Lyby is indeed the pyro and his results are accurate, then that leaves Quar (or me) to be the second spy, which contradicts the opinion I've had of Q for most of the game now. Though Wojjan DID get NK'd after gunning hard for Q yesterday...

What do you think guys?
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
The blue spies did that just to make me even more suspicious.
I'm not a pyro so I'm trusting Lyby with his claim.

vote: dkun
Mara
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Mara
I will trust Lybydose for now. If he is not telling the truth.. well...

vote: dkun
dkun
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dkun
I call bullshit.
I roleclaim sniper.

for all you know, mara and doc are the spies.
jump on that bandwagon mara
vote: lybydose
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
How can you be so sure?
NoHitter
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FINAL VOTE COUNT OF THE DAY
dkun (3) - Lybydose, Quaraezha, LunaticMara

Not Voting (1) - dkun, 0_o

dkun has been lynched.
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Bridge...

The speaker crackled again.
"dkun this time? Boy you guys suck at this game."
Server cvar 'kill dkun"

dkun's body fell on the ground.
Quaraezha and LunaticMara bent over to look at the body.

Quaraezha: "It'll turn blue any minute now... Any minute now. See? Blue! No wait. That's red, and there's a Razorback."
Mashley - RED Sniper - Lynched - Day 3

LunaticMara: "Dummkopf! Looks like ve still have a problem."
Quaraezha: "All right. Who's ready to kill some BLU spies."

0_o and Lybydose: "Right behind you!"
*que TF2 music with stabs 1:05 - 1:09"
LunaticMara - RED Medic - Endgamed - Day 3
Quaraezha - RED Soldier - Engamed - Day 3

0_o - BLU Spy - Survived
Lybydose - BLU Spy Survived

BLU SPY WIN!
NoHitter
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Roles:
SPOILER
1) 0_o - Blu Spy
2) Quaraezha - Red Soldier
3) I_Tatsuo_I - Red Demoman
4) dkun - Red Sniper
5) LunaticMara - Red Medic
6) Kokizi - Red Engineer
7) Wojjan - Red Heavy
8) Mashley - Red Spy
9) Lybydose - Blu Spy


Actions:
SPOILER
Day 1:
Lynched I_Tatsuo_I - Red Demoman

Night 1:
Quaraezha Motivate LunaticMara
Mashley kill Lybydose
LunaticMara heal 0_o - Motivates -> Heal for two nights
Lybydose kill Kokizi
0_o roleblocks dkun

Day 2:
Lynched Mashley - RED Spy

Night 2:
Quaraezha Motivate Lybydose
LunaticMara heal Lybydose
Wojjan roleblocks Quaraezha
Lybydose kill Wojjan
0_o roleblocks dkun

Day 3:
Lynched dkun - RED Sniper

Link to Scum Chat: http://quicktopic.com/46/H/qykUtCe6TfjQE
Link to Dead Chat: http://quicktopic.com/46/H/As59VricMLu
dkun
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dkun
you all dun goof'd

so quick to hop on bandwagons :(
Mara
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Mara
I don't really care.

Also dkun stop messaging outside the damn thread.

NoHitter
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NoHitter
Yeah dkun. You can't talk outside the thread about the game.
Jinxy
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Jinxy
Non-player posting comments, since the game is over. I can, right?
Mashley kill Lybydose
Did Mashley say anything about this? Because the only people that could evade a kill were the Blue Spies and Sniper, with the ratio of a Blue Spy being 2/3. Why would he keep it to himself?

Wait never mind what I said made no sense.
Do the Blue Spies know that they avoided a kill?

NoHItter wrote:

LunaticMara heal 0_o
LunaticMara heal Lybydose
lol'd
0_o
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0_o
Gentlemen.
0_o
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0_o
Do the Blue Spies know that they avoided a kill?
Yeah, we were told in the morning that his Dead Ringer was activated. In Mash's defence though there were several other possible reasons a kill wouldn't go through - a scout's bonk (this is the claim we were going with if he was called out), a medic protection, a heavy roleblock, sniper's razorback, an engineer swap onto a protected player...

So for the motivations, what were the effects per-class? Were players informed that they were motivated?
Mara
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Mara
NoHitter
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Soldier Motivation:
Scout Commute -> The commute will last for two days.
Pyro Cop -> Investigation will be absolute. (Doesn't matter if roleblock, switched, commute)
Demoman PGO -> Demoman won't kill friendly units for the night.
Heavy Roleblock -> The roleblock will last for two days.
Engineer Bus Driver -> Engineer will be notified if any actions targeting one player were switched because of Bus Drive.
Medic Protect -> The protection will last for two days.
Sniper One-Shot NK-Immune -> If Sniper is targeted that night, he will regain One-Shot NK Immune
Spy Kill -> Kill will be absolute. (Doesn't matter if roleblock, switched, commute, protect)
Lybydose
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Roleblock the sniper every night. BEST PLAN EVER

0_o wrote:

Gentlemen.
I WANTED TO SAY THAT
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