Once I start seeing good activity and substance I'll be fine. I'm actually really uneasy with you because you're acting like always (when looking at the other two games I was in with you) and when you act like that, you end up scum, I know meta shouldn't be used to vote on someone (at least I think so) but not talking in general is pretty scummy in itself. But for now, FoS.Quaraezha wrote:
hi guys
Sorry for being inactive, I've been really busy working on the layout for osu!monthly since I had a deadline.
Really had no time to read so many tl;dr posts (from other Mafia games too)
I'll try to catch up when I'm free.
Yeah, well, if it's an "always" thing, you shouldn't be using it to defend yourself, right?rust45 wrote:
... survival is important to me, no matter the role.
Well, of course it's obvious. But the comment looked subconscious. A non-vanilla player, or a vanilla player conscious of what they were saying exactly, probably would not have said it so "casually"; they would have worded it differently, I think. It's certainly not a full tell, but just a hint and something I noticed.animask wrote:
Also, I meant that it should be obvious that townies have less information to go by than aux/mafia (especially mafia).
Why would that be considered townie? Freudian slip... which means you're saying that you think he is townie? That doesn't seem
like enough information to go by.
Question to Mod: Isn't the deadline tomorrow? Will you still keep the deadline up? Also, you didn't reset votes 24 hours before the deadline.LadySuburu wrote:
Posting to say I have limited internet access (PS3 when I do.) until mon/tues. Will check on threads when I do have access but posting is difficult. If someone would pass this message on in the other two threads that would be great.
This is the only post I found where he was talking about somebody else, but he didn't even provide a reason. If it's just you're gut, at least take the five seconds to say, "My gut thinks he's town"Quaraezha wrote:
I don't honestly think DxS is mafia too actually.
Yes I'm still not sure, but I was curious if there's such role as "no vote resets" or something + everyone's posts before they vote. It's the time where people start summarizes their thoughts and I thought this may help me making my thought outTwo wrote:
For someone who's posts have amounted to basically "I'm not sure", you sure are eager to cast your final vote.
I've reanalyzed, and have decided that perhaps DxS backed out simply because he had too much on his plate. Foulcoon came in gung-ho to participate, until realizing he was on track to get lynched, in which case he almost immediately lost interest and ceased to participate. (Not personally attacking foulcoon, the whole game was pretty dead for a day or two)Rolled wrote:
The lack of votes from everybody makes it really hard to tell what direction this game will be going, and how D1 will end. I'm not too familiar with DxS's meta but the fact that he asked for a replacement rather than just giving up and letting the votes fall how they may D1 makes me think that he had a power role in this game. Wifom wifom wifom.
Have you thought that I just have multiple reasons?Two wrote:
animask, you reinvent the reason you voted for rolled every time you post
I guess I just was suspicious of Rolled because of his behavior at the start. That was my other reason as to why I voted for Rolled.
Things start to get more serious once the game starts moving. That was my other reason as to why I voted for Rolled. pg.10
Some people like to play differently. I'm a townie so everybody else isn't mafia. You should get to learn how people play before
you assume they are mafia or not. I have a good idea on what your play style is like, so now I know what to do to help you.
(I'm a newbie lulz) The reason I think you're sus(s) is because you are accusing almost everyone of being mafia.
That is actually a scum tell. pg. 7
A scum tell doesn't always mark scum.Kay done. I just reassured my vote a little more now... Even though I should read some other posts...
Therefore...
Vote: Rolled
Oh, I know I'll be unvoting you~
pg. 4
I'd understand if you coupled this reasoning with a reverse psychology claim, but as-is I don't think it makes much sense logically. I have absolutely nothing to hide this game. I'm vanilla town, and I feel the way I can contribute the most to my team is to have an aggressive playstyle and force other players to talk. It is the mafia who have things to hide, hence they like to stay out of the line of fire. I'm fine going into the front lines. Especially because I don't expect my life to last long in this game (NKs) I want to contribute as much as possible, in the little amount of time I'm allotted.animask wrote:
His aggressive behavior at the start made me think he was trying to hide something.
This goes with my more recent post. I think that initial posts should be weighed more.
Later on, you become more suspicious of people and others suspicious of you. When this
happens, people start to change their posting behavior (usually).
This sentence doesn't really make sense, but I'm going to assume that you meant "Rolled is accusing everybody of being mafia, and this is a scumtell." Obviously I know everybody isn't mafia. As I've said earlier, people react differently in this game to accusations depending on the role that they hold. I can't see how they react unless I give them something to react to.animask wrote:
I thought that his immediate accusations of who may be mafia. This one was an obvious
scum-tell that furthered my suspicion.
Well we share similar thinking processes here, however I don't agree with what you think is a scumtell, and justifies a vote for me.animask wrote:
The game just started here so I was being a bit hasty, but I posted the reason for
voting was to pressure Rolled into saying something that could be a scum-tell. Since
there was an unvote at the last 24 hours, I thought this would work out fine if I wanted
to switch votes later in Day 1.
Oh dear.LadySuburu wrote:
Less than 24 hours remaining. Reminder that all votes were reset about 3 hours ago.
I'd like to hear your reasoning behind your vote against animask.foulcoon wrote:
Sorry I've been a bit inactive due to the holiday.
I'm going to vote: animask.
I still don't have a great feeling about rust, but i can let that be for now. As for the bandwagon starting against Q, I don't really feel that its justified, but I can kind of understand the reasoning.
Hmm... I can see that (not that I entirely believe that view myself). Thanks for your input.foulcoon wrote:
Namely, his idea of these "scum tells" for Rolled seem like hes grasping.
Just came back @_@ I don't keep a note really, but I'll write some thoughts of each playersPh0X wrote:
bmin, if you have time, can you post your thoughts of each player?
Why?Two wrote:
if you aren't going to be here between now and then, vote now pls
Trying to get the "we're all friends so vote the other guy out" bandwagon starting. A vote based on something that has nothing to do with the game with his very first post.DeathxShinigami wrote:
Vote: Chris
A friend of two's who has actually been known to be a carpetbagger in this community. Do I trust the words of a person who knows nothing about this community? Probably no.
He implied that I was a random person, though I've played WWG's with the community before, including him. I asked him a perfectly legitimate question and he avoided it, and then unvoted immediately after when he knew he couldn't respond.DeathxShinigami wrote:
Still a believer in a community based game not a game where we get to drag random people who aren't even involved in this osu! community whatsoever.
On top of that, he tried to paint myself/Two/Rolled as a team when he just tried to get me bandwagon'd out for NOT being apart of the circle of friends that play these games regularly. I don't understand the logic.DeathxShinigami wrote:
Have a feeling it'll just be Rolled/Two/Chris vs. everyone else
Whee, can't be that hard to lynch people now isn't it?
He had time to post that, but not post a constructive reply even after posting TWICE on the other mafia game in the same time span he was ignoring this one. Makes no sense to me at all.DeathxShinigami wrote:
I got prodded. I am posting.
Currently getting off work atm.
So I shall post more later tonight...
just because I didn't outright go against anything he said, trying to give everyone (including me) a false sense of comradery between the two of usRolled wrote:
Two: I feel that Two is trusting me more in this game than in the past (lolmeta).
I don't know how many of you can appreciate how telling this paragraph is. Basically, though, he was building distance between us and and trying to do the same thing rolled did in his quote (make me less apprehensive towards him). He did it close enough towards night, and with a lot more subtlety than rolled. So much so that the two statements don't even compare.Ph0X wrote:
Two
This guy... He makes it so hard for me to read him. He comes up with good ideas, but doesn't really explain them (even though I understand the behind-the-scenes work of them for the most part). A real mystery player, because it's hard to read anything off of him because of this. I'm gonna ignore him for now...
Two is an easier nightkill target than I am, in general. He has a higher rate of success in these games than I do. Combine that with the fact that Ph0x has put in an effort to gather as much material from me as possible, and the fact that I have NKed Two as mafia n1 in the past, it is clear ph0x's intentions were NKing Two N1 and getting me lynched d2. While perhaps you can substitute ph0x's name with any other person in this game and the above paragraph would still make a little sense, however ph0x being mafia is the most likely scenario we have at hand here.Ph0x wrote:
Two
This guy... He makes it so hard for me to read him. He comes up with good ideas, but doesn't really explain them (even though I understand the behind-the-scenes work of them for the most part). A real mystery player, because it's hard to read anything off of him because of this. I'm gonna ignore him for now...
Now who would want to NK Chris...?You know what Chris's ability consists of, and you know he used it. Intentional ignorance?
animask wrote:
Three of us = Two, Rolled and Chris/Ph0X (I must be a newbie or just not getting something.)
Except me...Rolled wrote:
Everybody knows the three of us know each other...
Fact: Unless there is another manipulative role (not likely), either Chris or his target were swapped. If Chris' target was swapped, Chris must have used his night action on himself, too (duh).Two wrote:
K so first of all I think we can all agree that it makes no sense for chris to have died night 1. He was like... the most easily lynchable target behind quaraezha. So obviously he used his bus driver ability on the person who would have been night killed, and that person was either me or rolled since he hates you all.
What makes Two rule out animask for lynching Rolled? And what happened to foul?Two wrote:
So now we have to figure out who he swapped with. Here is who would night kill rolled:Two
Ph0x
rust45
bmin11
Here is who would night kill me:
Rolled
Ph0x
rust45 (at the behest of ph0x or rolled)
bmin11 (at the behest of ph0x or rolled)
animask (at the behest of ph0x or rolled)
sry but none of you are that smart
Assumption: One or zero of Ph0X and Rolled mafia members.Two wrote:
Since my list is effectively narrowed down to two people (they both aren't mafia)
Meta assumption: Two is more critical of Rolled than he is of other players (in general).Two wrote:
that's serious but let's focus on Rolled:
1. I always suspect him more than anyone else regardless of his role and he knows it
Assumption: Rolled feels Two is trying to be friendly with Rolled to not draw attention to himself, as to not be killed.Two wrote:
2. Voting in line with him yesterday could have made him think I was trying to make him not kill me (it was also semi out of character for me)(thinks I'm aux)
I don't know exactly what Two is thinking here, but here's my guess:Two wrote:
3:just because I didn't outright go against anything he said, trying to give everyone (including me) a false sense of comradery between the two of usRolled wrote:
Two: I feel that Two is trusting me more in this game than in the past (lolmeta).
Meta assumption: Two is acting differently than he does when he was town in other games.Two wrote:
4. I've just been playing in a way that isn't the same as the way I would have played a civilian a year ago (thinks I'm aux)
Meta fact: Rolled has (often?) gone after Two in the past where Rolled is mafia.Two wrote:
1b. Rolled has gone for me in every game we've played together where he's been mafia/wolf, so why would he make a mistake like going after me? I used that as a reason to lynch him last time.
Meta assumption: Ph0X knows Two's play style of a townie from a year ago.Two wrote:
now for Ph0x:
1. Also would notice that I've just been playing in a way that isn't the same as the way I would have played a civilian a year ago (thinks I'm aux)
Assumption: Ph0X felt pressured by Two by Two's vote against him on day 1.Two wrote:
2. I've straight up called him mafia more than once this game and voted for him (it's worth noting that this was early on in the game, so it wouldn't cast suspicion on him ordinarily)
Assumption: Ph0X tried to distance himself from Two with above quote.Two wrote:
3. before the end of day 1:I don't know how many of you can appreciate how telling this paragraph is. Basically, though, he was building distance between us and and trying to do the same thing rolled did in his quote (make me less apprehensive towards him). He did it close enough towards night, and with a lot more subtlety than rolled. So much so that the two statements don't even compare.Ph0X wrote:
Two
This guy... He makes it so hard for me to read him. He comes up with good ideas, but doesn't really explain them (even though I understand the behind-the-scenes work of them for the most part). A real mystery player, because it's hard to read anything off of him because of this. I'm gonna ignore him for now...
I think Two's comments here are pretty clear, so I won't rehash them.Two wrote:
What reasons do ph0x, rust45, and bmin11 have for night killing rolled?
Ph0x:
1. ph0x would have much more control of day phase
2. actually as I was writing this I realized that since he's spent so much time replying to rolled, it would hurt him to night kill rolled for two reasons: 1. all of that work going towards getting that material to use against him would be wasted, 2. it could have made Ph0x look more suspicious (in Ph0x's eyes)
rust45:
1. d'uhhhhhh rolled talks a lot
bmin11:
1. d'uhhhhhh rolled talks a lot (ilu still ㅇㅅㅇb)
Assumption: The (incomplete) list of reasons for players nightkilling Rolled proves that nightkilling Rolled would not be sensical.Two wrote:
It's pretty obvious to me that I was chosen to be night killed.
No, I don't remember you meta very well (as stated earlier). All I remember is that you and Rolled are very aggressive players. As I also said above, I don't take play style into account when it comes to meta comparisons.Two wrote:
now for Ph0x:
1. Also would notice that I've just been playing in a way that isn't the same as the way I would have played a civilian a year ago (thinks I'm aux)
As I said, this is WIFOM.Two wrote:
2. I've straight up called him mafia more than once this game and voted for him (it's worth noting that this was early on in the game, so it wouldn't cast suspicion on him ordinarily)
I don't understand the reasoning behind this (as stated above); could you elaborate?Two wrote:
I don't know how many of you can appreciate how telling this paragraph is. Basically, though, he was building distance between us and and trying to do the same thing rolled did in his quote (make me less apprehensive towards him). He did it close enough towards night, and with a lot more subtlety than rolled. So much so that the two statements don't even compare.
While reading this, I was gonna comment "well, the same can be said for other players, too", but you ended stated that yourself. But ... then you give a non-reason at the end, so I just see circular reasoning. If you don't see it:Rolled wrote:
Combine that with the fact that Ph0x has put in an effort to gather as much material from me as possible, and the fact that I have NKed Two as mafia n1 in the past, it is clear ph0x's intentions were NKing Two N1 and getting me lynched d2. While perhaps you can substitute ph0x's name with any other person in this game and the above paragraph would still make a little sense, however ph0x being mafia is the most likely scenario we have at hand here.
With the entire way that you've played this game, it's easiest to believe that you are the player with the most to benefit from Two's lynching. You have not spent much time talking to him (D1), while you've made an effort to talk to every other player in the game thus far. In fact, you express your inability to read Two publicly. Whether it was truthful or not, I think it was still a slip up.Ph0x wrote:
Maybe I am missing something in your argument?
-The sad attempt at defending DxS gets ignored, as it had no structure behind it (like any other Q post)Quaraezha wrote:
I don't honestly think DxS is mafia too actually.
So all of that said, I concluded that you were Mason as well. I didn't make it public until now, but that was because I didn't feel it was too beneficial for the town to do so. But now with the new information you're bringing me, I feel it is a must.Foulcoon wrote:
As for the bandwagon starting against Q, I don't really feel that its justified, but I can kind of understand the reasoning.
Foulcoon wrote:
I simply mean that I believe with good reason that myself, animask, and Ph0x are not mafia.
So now, we have two possibilities here.Foulcoon wrote:
Assuming there are only 2 mafia I am certain that both animask and Ph0X are town
This is probably all you are aware of. Let me make this perfectly clear, however:MafiaWiki wrote:
Masons are a group, usually all on the Pro-Town side, that usually have some information about each others alignement. They can communicate with each other at Night, if they choose, but otherwise usually have no special abilities. In one variation of the Mason role, the Masons cannot reveal that they are Masons to the town through roleclaiming. Instead, they must find other ways to defend each other.
That said, Does your role PM specifically mention all of the Masons are pro-town? Don't answer this publicly, as it will result in your modkill (assuming you can't publicize the fact that you are Mason) but please ask yourself the question.MafiaWiki wrote:
Sometimes, one member of the masonry group is a scum mason, a person in the masonry who is secretly part of the mafia or some other scum group. This occasionally happens in games where the moderater does not specifically tell all masons that they are all town. (See: unconfirmed masons, sometimes called "Neighbors")
We did not share Mason PMs to the modsRolled wrote:
Mod: Is it possible that you can shed some light on this? I understand you can't fully prove foulcoon to be lying or truthful, but can you perhaps show us what the Mason Townie's PM (Q's) looked like?
Yeah. I had deep conversations with Q, Chris, and DxS.Rolled wrote:
With the entire way that you've played this game, it's easiest to believe that you are the player with the most to benefit from Two's lynching. You have not spent much time talking to him (D1), while you've made an effort to talk to every other player in the game thus far.
A slip-up of what? I don't understand why my comment seems so scummy.Rolled wrote:
In fact, you express your inability to read Two publicly. Whether it was truthful or not, I think it was still a slip up.
Yeah. Because I totally use metas I barely remember. And, as my meta shows clearly, I totally base my arguments on nightkills.Rolled wrote:
Now assuming Chris didn't bite the bullet for Two, you intended to paint me as the player with the most to gain from NKing Two using meta and probably some other things I've said in this game thus far.
All that information is public. Anyone could use the same information to do the same thing, if they so wanted.Rolled wrote:
You have made quite an effort to speak to me, thus you have more information on me to scumpaint, thus I would be an easier lynch target than Two would have been. You wouldn't need to waste a NK.
See my comment about WIFOM above. You're stating the same argument with different words, making it sound like you have a larger argument against me.Rolled wrote:
And as you've said, you, two, and myself are some of the more influential players in this game (again, not to brag. meta.) It would be a cake walk for you as mafia if we were both eliminated early.
Why did you want animask to post before me?Rolled wrote:
Also I'd like to add that I find it very disturbing animask never found the time to answer my question before ph0x managed to respond to Two.
You overestimate animask. When he reads something he doesn't understand, he doesn't try to re-read it and comprehend it. He's a new player and needs hand-holding most of the time. (I like to help any player, regardless of orientation (see what I did there? ;P), so don't even think about pinning me on that.)Rolled wrote:
... I'm certain that he'd at least be able to comprehend Two's post enough to not require a TLDR version.
My post regarding Two's post wasn't my thought process, necessarily. It was Two's thought process, but written in such a way that was, to me, more clear. I could better comprehend Two's analysis rewriting it in the way I did. I did add a few of my own comments inline, but those were intended to be inquisitory (I am a Shakespeare) because I wasn't sure I understood Two's points exactly. (Maybe a few counterarguments slipped by, but I can't change that now.) I wanted to be sure I was interpreting Two correctly.Rolled wrote:
It's easy to expand off of ph0x's thought process now as animask the mafia goon.
I think you misunderstood what Rolled said. Re-read what he wrote before he commented about me.foulcoon wrote:
The fact that you make the assumption that only one mafia member voted for Q makes it seem like you're really grasping to avoid suspicion.
Minor WIFOM? "Oh, no one will think both mafia would be so stupid as to jump on such an easy bandwagon! Hey buddy, let's hop on!"Rolled wrote:
I'm speaking only on common sense. Why would both mafia members associate themselves with a lynching that they know will be town?
I like how your tunnel vision caused you to completely disregard everything foul has actually said. Let's look at this one post at a time (for all posts on justRolled wrote:
Stop causing confusion to the town please.
No facts can be drawn from this statement.foulcoon wrote:
I simply mean that I believe with good reason that myself, animask, and Ph0x are not mafia.
If foul is mafia, he is telling the truth if animask is town. (Of course, most readers can't have the same conclusion.)foulcoon wrote:
Assuming there are only 2 mafia I am certain that both animask and Ph0X are town. If there are more than 2 mafia I may be mistaken.
This confirms the assumption above: "at least two mafia members voted for Q".foulcoon wrote:
I know that 2 mafia voted for lynching Q.
I don't understand the logic behind this, why would you get a role change as a replacement? I would change the game balance.foulcoon wrote:
I would like to think that perhaps DxS was the mason, but when i replaced him I was given another role with the same alignment?
Why are talking like the variation of mason where they can't roleclaim is in this game? The only way you could know that masons couldn't roleclaim is if you were a mason.Rolled wrote:
Also to MOD: If player x claims publicly player y is Mason, must player y deny it (assuming player x is correct) or be subject to modkill?
Rolled wrote:
Mod: Is it possible that you can shed some light on this? I understand you can't fully prove foulcoon to be lying or truthful, but can you perhaps show us what the Mason Townie's PM (Q's) looked like?
Also to MOD: If player x claims publicly player y is Mason, must player y deny it (assuming player x is correct) or be subject to modkill?
Haven't even bothered to read ph0x's wall. I'm going to get a night's sleep before I attempt to.
So foulcoon has a power to read how many mafia voted for. However, not ending from here, he also said this:foulcoon wrote:
Heres my logic.
I know that 2 mafia voted for lynching Q.
My assumption is; DxS was mason and as foulcoon replacing DxS, he received his new power. I think it's safe to say he is town since Mafia Mason isn't likely to receive another role and masons voting for their fellow mason isn't really logical...foulcoon wrote:
I was given another role with the same alignment?
This is really unlike you. You overreacted towards foulcoon's FoS on you.Rolled wrote:
And take that fucking FoS off of me.
Multiple mason groups can exist, yes.animask wrote:
srs time
@MOD, can there be multiple Mason groups? (since I don't think I can ask IF there are any)
@Ph0X, you make much more sense than Two, but just in case you're trying to mislead me I'll have to reread your post instead.
(I can't understand Two's post even after rereading...)
Oh, you could swap with a possible mafia. I haven't thought of that scenario yet...(offensive instead of defensive role)
Maybe he thought I wouldn't NK Rolled because I voted for him during Day 1. Meaning that I shouldn't have suspected Rolled
in the first place. If not, then he was just underestimating me and some other meta-gaming thing you guys are doing. (Reason for me being a bit unsure of the situation.) There is a lot of focus on this meta-pairing and assumptions...
bmin wrote:
Rolled: Highly WIFOM.Rolled wrote:
And take that fucking FoS off of me.
Lilac replaces bmin11, effective once he posts in the thread.bmin11 wrote:
Request for replacement
I don't have much time on my hand, so I'm asking for a replacement. Sorry guys...
@Two, Rolled Two rust45 bmin11 are your suspects for mafia?no, ph0x is my suspect for mafia
Regardless if it's 100% accurate, it's still circumstantial. I know what I'm talking about, Two. Unless you are confirmed town, your initial statistic is flawed COMPLETELY. If there are two Mafia and lynching both rust and I turns up we are both town, you've done wonderfully well. I've read through this whole thread and unless you've got specific evidence to say you are town then by all means continue to pummel me and go nowhere.Two wrote:
You can't correct something that is 100% accurate, sorry. And I don't feel that I should be answering someone who doesn't even understand what he himself is talking about. It's like he randomly puts words down. I actually think you should re-read the thread starting from the end of day 1, Lilac.
stopped reading thereLilac wrote:
Regardless if it's 100% accurate, it's still circumstantial. I know what I'm talking about, Two. Unless you are confirmed town, your initial statistic is flawed COMPLETELY.
Two wrote:
if you aren't going to be here between now and then, vote now pls
Ph0X wrote:
hard reader, possibly has aux role
bmin11 wrote:
short posts
Still going...feel free to stop me. I'm assuming it's got to do with Ph0x's assumptions though...Rolled wrote:
Two is an easier nightkill target than I am, in general. He has a higher rate of success in these games than I do.
all you have to do is read my first post on day 2 to understandLilac wrote:
Still going...feel free to stop me. I'm assuming it's got to do with Ph0x's assumptions though...
I know bmin isn't even in this game anymore, but this is the situation that's sticking out the most in my head. Did everybody read my post to foulcoon? Like, READ it. Or did you just skim it, and in the end notice my sarcasm, and that's the only point sticking in your mind? Ask yourself if I (or anybody else) would build up a defense as strong as that as mafia. If your answer is yes, than thank you and all, but you're giving me way too much fucking credit.bmin wrote:
My two suspicions are rust and Rolled (though my suspicion for Rolled is WIFOM)
rust45: the same reason as D1. Your accusation for Q seem like you were trying to cover your suspicion.
Rolled: Highly WIFOM.Rolled wrote:
And take that fucking FoS off of me.
The first suggestion is a joke. First and foremost, why the hell would LS give foulcoon a different role? Second, why the hell would foulcoon believe he had a different role? I see nothing but an attempt to grasp at something that isn't there in this post.foulcoon wrote:
I would like to think that perhaps DxS was the mason, but when i replaced him I was given another role with the same alignment?
Also, my role PM doesn't say anything about masons at all.
This above statement shows that Mason have the ability to communicate during the day (since Q was lynched d1, and Masons usually can only communicate at night IF at all) So that supplies some reasoning as to why this game is going in the direction it is going. It also supports my theory (in my eyes) that Ph0x is Mafia Mason, as his posts thus far haven't done anything but really reiterate what others have said. He's picking apart people's logic and reasoning in order to make himself seem to be open-minded to all possibilities, and hasn't really pursued any of his self-gathered tells.Q wrote:
We did not share Mason PMs to the mods
I don't see how that would effect anything that's happening right now in this game.animask wrote:
@MOD, can there be multiple Mason groups? (since I don't think I can ask IF there are any)
Why are you so easy to believe foulcoon?animask wrote:
@foulcoon, 2 mafias voted for Quy? I see... (I did research.)
I believe you for now...