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Lilac
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Lilac
When she is claiming bomb, there are two things that go in her favour.

One, it tells the Mafia and other people who have Vig roles at night to stay away otherwise, face the consequences.

Two, it shows that Wojjan is aligned with the town and gives her the thought that she is part of the town.

That's probably the reason.
Haneii
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Haneii

Lilac wrote:

When she is claiming bomb, there are two things that go in her favour.
Exactly. Role claiming benefits wojjan (gets to stay alive?dunno) and not so much the town.

ofc staying alive is needed to keep the town numbers higher than the mafia - but wojjan was in no danger of being lynched at the time.

I just think that a bomb would try to use their ability to help the town. If there was a chance that they would be lynched (which would be bad for the town) then they have a reason to role claim. Until then, I believe, they should lie low.

From how I see it, either wojjan is bluffing (can still be town, doesn't necessarily mean wojjan's mafia) or just wants to stay alive for the entirety of the game (doesn't really care if the town loses).
Lilac
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Lilac
Wojjan wasn't trying to protect against a lynch, she was trying to protect herself from a nightkill so she can get past Day 1.
Haneii
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Haneii

Lilac wrote:

Wojjan wasn't trying to protect against a lynch, she was trying to protect herself from a nightkill so she can get past Day 1.
Why protect yourself from a nightkill? Your role/ability involves you being killed. If the good chance you get killed by a mafia - a mafia member dies with you and the new death can be used to narrow things down/or make better decisions.

Does keeping yourself alive and withholding your ability help the town in someway?
Lilac
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Lilac
It protects Vigs from misfiring and dying from Wojjan, resulting in two deaths in the town's side.

But I do admit, claiming Bomb this early doesn't have a real major impact which could mean that Wojjan was claiming for fun or she's not really caring at all.
Haneii
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Haneii
So the only reason for claiming bomb...was to protect against the vigilant?

The first post Wojjan makes in this game (practically the very beginning of the game) is to roleclaim bomb...to protect against the vigilant?

Did you know you were targeted by the vigilant? (I guess you can have another role that would make knowing something like that possible, but...)

A vigilant having chosen a target that early in the game doesn't seem so likely.
Haneii
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Haneii
I can't spell T_T
0_o
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0_o
...I thought Wojjan's roleclaim was a joke?
Haneii
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Haneii
Maybe?
NoHitter
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NoHitter

Two wrote:

Well, I think it's pretty clear that NoHItter is mafia. A pro-town role wouldn't -need- to absorb powers, and put yourself in the hosts position: would you be more likely to give a power absorption role to a role without many powers (mafia), or to a town?
Why exactly wouldn't the mod put an absorber as a town role?

You're set-up speculating - which isn't really advisable in a game like this. Remember, this is a game where the Host picks roles, what you think is fine is not necessarily what the mod thinks is fine.

Set-up spec is ok when it's a semi-open or open set-up, but this is a closed set-up. It may help but it cannot alone be a basis for saying some one is scum.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
My roleclaim was not a joke. It's up to the mafia to decide if they want to risk the gambit.
LadySuburu
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Topic Starter
LadySuburu
Haneii was sitting on a park bench, enjoying some Mint Ice Cream. All seemed to be going well that day, when suddenly two people jump out at her, screaming "YOU MURDERER!"

Suprised, Haneii swallows a bit too much of the ice cream, and begins choking. After some time the ice cream melts, and a relieved Haneii gets up. Ready, she walks forward to confront her accusations.... and is struck by lightning as a mysterious smoke fills the area.

Haneii - Lynched D1

When the smoke clears, the body is nowhere to be found.

It is now Night 1. Send all night actions within 24 hours. If you do not, the host will get to choose if you use your night action or not, and on whom.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
In the middle of Night, someone stumbles upon the missing body of Haneii.

Haneii - Stalker + Enabler + Commuter + Dreaming God - Town - was Lynched D1.

Night continues, and you feel better knowing who died, but worse because they were innocent.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Night ends in 6 hours, when night ends the remaining Night actions that are mandatory will be completed by me. Remaining non-mandatory actions may or may not be completed by me, depending on if you've taken any action at all.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
In the morning, Two's body is (not) found.

Two - Killed Night 1.

It is now Day 2.

With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.

Deadline is in four days.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Well that's a good thing.

Not really but still.

Anybody got anything? Guilties are always appreciated.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder

Wojjan wrote:

Well that's a good thing.

Not really but still.

Anybody got anything? Guilties are always appreciated.
FoS on Wojjan.

LS didn't reveal the role yet.
adam2046
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adam2046
Still haven't heard back on what the hell you were even talking about Day 1, animask.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder

adam2046 wrote:

Still haven't heard back on what the hell you were even talking about Day 1, animask.
What was it again, adam?
adam2046
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adam2046

animask wrote:

adam2046 wrote:

Still haven't heard back on what the hell you were even talking about Day 1, animask.
What was it again, adam?
Everything.
Wojjan
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Wojjan

animask wrote:

Wojjan wrote:

Well that's a good thing.

Not really but still.

Anybody got anything? Guilties are always appreciated.
FoS on Wojjan.

LS didn't reveal the role yet.
LS did reveal who got killed: the biggest jerk in this game.
adam2046
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adam2046

Wojjan wrote:

LS did reveal who got killed: the biggest jerk in this game.
Except he hadn't done anything.
Yet.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Two's body is discovered.

Two - Cult Leader Member, Motivator, One-shot Role Cop - Killed Night 1

...and then starts moving again.

Two has been revived!
0_o
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0_o
um

hi two
Lilac
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Lilac
I'm starting to believe that there is NO Mafia in this game...
adam2046
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adam2046
Remove the head or destroy the brain.
Two_old
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Two_old
fyi I only have 1 ability now, motivator

I used my cop skill already
Wojjan
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Wojjan
Well you're a cultie. Are you going to tell us before we lynch you?
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami
Well at least we figured out what two's alignment and roles are.

I'm actually more curious now about how two revived himself if anything...
adam2046
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adam2046

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Well at least we figured out what two's alignment and roles are.

I'm actually more curious now about how two revived himself if anything...
He clearly didn't as no revival role was listed in his abilities.
Two_old
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Two_old
lynching me would be dumb because I'm powerless

also there is no replacement cult leader, the cult faction effectively died night 1 since I can't recruit
Lilac
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Lilac
Unless, of course, there is more than one cult leader.

Two, perhaps? No pun intended.
Two_old
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Two_old
ladysuburu told me there wasn't

am I allowed to post that? I guess I can because it's not like I'm quoting anything
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu

Two wrote:

ladysuburu told me there wasn't

am I allowed to post that? I guess I can because it's not like I'm quoting anything
There are no rule violations in this post.
rust45
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rust45
So Two... You gonna tell us who you investigated, and what you found out?
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...

I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.

@adam, no, I still have no idea what you mean...
adam2046
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adam2046

animask wrote:

He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...

I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
lol

animask wrote:

@adam, no, I still have no idea what you mean...
Try reading the thread next time.
Two_old
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Two_old

rust45 wrote:

So Two... You gonna tell us who you investigated, and what you found out?
no, but I will say that I didn't scan a mafia member

if it comes down to them being lynched, and I'm still alive, sure I'll share
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
@Two, tell us the truth. You have nothing left to hide now.

Also, I'm curious on who you inspected...
Lybydose
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Lybydose

animask wrote:

@Two, tell us the truth. You have nothing left to hide now.

Also, I'm curious on who you inspected...
Why are you oh-so-interested in who he scanned and what result he got? Calling out someone's aux role is completely anti-town as it lets the mafia know who to target.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
@Lyb, I just wanted Two to say who the townie person was.

He doesn't need to reveal the aux role (if there even is one).

Just so we don't need to suspect that person anymore.
Lilac
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Lilac
I am now less convinced that animask is Mafia and Lybydose more so.

Though animask might be pulling a facade, Doc immediately commented about revealing an aux role when animask didn't mention anything of the sort ot be revealed. Lybydose, I think you just might be jumping the gun here.
rust45
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rust45
That doesn't sound like that great of reasoning to be suspicious of Lybydose. When I read animask's post, I thought he was asking for Two to reveal everything he found. Even after Two gave good reasoning to not reveal the role. And this is a game where everyone has some sort of power, so mafia could benefit from even the knowledge of someone who's town(We've already seen a cult, who knows if there are any other third parties).

And really Mariobros, I don't get how what animask said made him less suspicious.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Maybe they're just really curious to what Two's investigations were. I know I am.
also hi guys
Two_old
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Two_old
quaraezha do you just like to troll or something
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Just trying to be active, I haven't posted since forever.
Lybydose
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Lybydose
Quaraezha: then be active, don't just post "hi guys i'm going to be active"
rust45
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rust45

Quaraezha wrote:

Maybe they're just really curious to what Two's investigations were. I know I am.
also hi guys
Yeah, I was too, until Two gave a good reason as to why it would be stupid to reveal his results.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
Well Two can keep it tom himself until he feels like telling us.
Lybydose gave a good reason as to why not knowing is a good thing.

What does the "One-shot" mean in Two's role?
Lybydose
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Lybydose
One-shot means he can use it exactly once in the game
rust45
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rust45
Oh, just noticed:

MOD: The OP hasn't been updated to show Two being back alive.
Lilac
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Lilac

rust45 wrote:

When I read animask's post, I thought he was asking for Two to reveal everything he found.
He might have but I'm willing to wager it's a noobie slip just like almost every rebuttal post he's almost ever done. To find out more about a person which is detrimental to the town and animask's experience almost warrants to not look at him seriously...After all, it's you who wanted to know Two's investigation first...

rust45 wrote:

And really Mariobros, I don't get how what animask said made him less suspicious.
Like before, he's a twat that makes no sense, I wouldn't be suspicious unless he actually DOES something scummy. I'm curious as to why you think he's suspicious though.
rust45
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rust45

Lilac wrote:

After all, it's you who wanted to know Two's investigation first...
I was now?

Wojjan wrote:

Are you going to tell us before we lynch you?
I basically asked because Two ignored basically Ignored Wojjan asking about his investigation and I wanted some sort of answer.

Lilac wrote:

He might have but I'm willing to wager it's a noobie slip just like almost every rebuttal post he's almost ever done.
That may be true, but I would think even he would understand that after Two's post it would be stupid for him to reveal who he investigated and what he found kept to himself unless the information was needed.

Lilac wrote:

I'm curious as to why you think he's suspicious though.
Because, like you, I think he's a twat, but he seems to be more of one than usual, possibly because he has a role that he's not sure how to handle.

Personally to me, I think you're trying too hard to defend the "twat", and for that, I'm keeping my eye on you.
Two_old
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Two_old
victus via argumentum ad hominem
adam2046
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adam2046
I would like it if you would stop dismissing animask's unhelpful behavior as him simply being a noob.
He could be mafia and simply act like this the entire game and we'd never lynch him because "oh, he hasn't said anything scummy".
Lilac
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Lilac
noob != twat

I'm not completely ignore him, in fact, I'm paying a lot of attention to him and his behaviour. The fact that he has no role that he hates (according to osu!Mafia), the fact that he hasn't rebutted against your earlier argument.

Everything.
0_o
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0_o

Two wrote:

also there is no replacement cult leader, the cult faction effectively died night 1 since I can't recruit
So your death prevented you from recruiting anyone?
Two_old
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Two_old
yes
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
Are cults like a third faction or something?

That's the only other reason I can think of for revealing a townie to be a bad thing.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Cults are a third party faction that recruits members each Night.
By the way, 0_o how's the upgrade courtesy of Two?
Two_old
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Two_old
Oh, right, it's day 2. Vote: NoHItter

Obviously mafia due to his role.
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder

Two wrote:

Oh, right, it's day 2. Vote: NoHItter

Obviously mafia due to his role.
If you're in the cult, you could still be misleading us...

Also, what role? What role do you think he has?
NoHitter
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NoHitter
By any chance Two, did you target me with your Motivation, because my role changed over the Night.
Also, I copied Two and used motivate on 0_o.
0_o
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0_o

NoHItter wrote:

Cults are a third party faction that recruits members each Night.
By the way, 0_o how's the upgrade courtesy of Two?
I've gone from "borderline useless" to "possibly useful in a certain scenario".

What I'm wondering though is why you would publicly announce this? Who exactly does that benefit besides the mafia?
Two_old
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Two_old

0_o wrote:

What I'm wondering though is why you would publicly announce this?
Oh, right, it's day 2. Vote: NoHItter
that's why
NoHitter
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NoHitter

NoHItter wrote:

because my role changed over the Night.
I gained a post restriction wherein I have to state all my actions the previous night.
In exchange, my role's powers got an upgrade.
That's why I was wondering if Two targeted me. He was after all the Motivator.
Two_old
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Two_old
Maybe it's a mafia perk? Who says you can just absorb anyone? Maybe it has to be part of a night kill.
rust45
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rust45

NoHItter wrote:

I gained a post restriction wherein I have to state all my actions the previous night.
That doesn't sound like something a Motivator would do. Perhaps a role possibly that changes a role for good of bad did that to you?
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Problem is I don't think that there's any other possible role that could do that.
I've checked the MafiaScum Wiki already. Let me check again.
Mashley
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Mashley
A question - how many mafia are there likely to be in this game? It's like 3 or 4, right?
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Vote: Two
Unvote

12 player games usually have 3 mafia.
I'm guessing 4 is possible though.
Wojjan
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Wojjan

animask wrote:

He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...
If you don't know what a tremendous scumtell that is, please leave the concept of mafia alone >:T

vote: animask
Sleep Powder
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Sleep Powder
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...

I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
My reasoning for the statement. ( ^ above quote )

I obviously know that I'm usually seen as suspicious. (Fact)
adam2046
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adam2046

animask wrote:

He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...

I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
My reasoning for the statement. ( ^ above quote )

I obviously know that I'm usually seen as suspicious. (Fact)
You're delusional is what you are.
Wojjan
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Wojjan
I didn't even ask for reasoning. I'd get mad but it's 4 AM right now so I.O.U
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
Another note is on the ground.

"Based on my deductions, Lilac is very poor financially."
DeathxShinigami
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DeathxShinigami

LadySuburu wrote:

Another note is on the ground.

"Based on my deductions, Lilac is very poor financially."
Mostly going to take note of the poor financially bit for now.

Concluding this could mean he's already used his power if he has one or that he won't be able to activate something for a period of time in the game.
Lilac
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Lilac
Silly DxS. I'm poor because I bought my Mami Tomoe cosplay.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
1. Unless otherwise stated in your Role PM, this game takes place in this thread only - do not discuss it anywhere else. Doing so will get you modkilled or immediately replaced, depending on the severity of the offence.

Just restating, in case people forgot.
LadySuburu
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LadySuburu
So, I forgot one of someone's night actions. Therefore I agreed to reveal something interesting about the game in place of that action.


Mod note 1: During night 1, there were a total of 18 night actions sent to me.
Quaraezha
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Quaraezha
I guess most people here have more roles than one, like Two for example. (no pun intended)
Wojjan
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Wojjan

Quaraezha wrote:

I guess most people here have more roles than one, like Two for example. (no pun intended)
Oh my god would you stop it with the two puns
this is why I want him dead

Also, cult, no matter how little, can joint with mafia just like lyncher or fool. Vote: 2
adam2046
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adam2046

Wojjan wrote:

Also, cult, no matter how little, can joint with mafia just like lyncher or fool. Vote: 2
Shouldn't we just ignore him though?
Two_old
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Two_old
you have a limited number of lynches

why would you waste one on a person confirmed not to be mafia

oh right it's wojjan land
0_o
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0_o
If Two is telling the truth that there is no replacement leader then there really isn't any point in lynching him, as the only way he can win now is if he is the last one standing. Even if he is lying, and he did recruit someone who became the new leader after he died (a priest, perhaps?), I still don't lynching him would accomplish much, as we should be focusing on finding mafia.

Though I haven't played a game with a cult before, so I'm unaware of the general rules of thumb when dealing with them.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
With cults it's literally beat them or join them.
Generally you stop cults from spreading when they're still few - target the cult leader first.
Some variations though pass the ability to recruit to another member once the leader dies.

If Two is telling the truth then he can't recruit anyone anymore, so for now we can focus on scumhunting.
adam2046
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NoHItter wrote:

If Two is telling the truth then he can't recruit anyone anymore, so for now we can focus on scumhunting.
I wouldn't believe anything he says, but there's not much we can do in terms of finding someone randomly picked who may or may not actually exist.
Lilac
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Lilac
I concur, I still think there is another person out there who is part of the cult. To only have one member to begin with would seem too...easy...

I've got my eye on animask, Doc and Mash.
Two_old
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Two_old
believe me or not, I was put into a memberless cult
0_o
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0_o
I was under the impression that cults always started with only one person? Just from what I've read in the wikis at least.
Lybydose
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Lybydose
It does make sense for the cult to start memberless (nothing but a leader), and it would simply be the leader's job to recruit every night to make it a true "cult".

Now then, the cult could be handled (by the host) in a number of ways. It could possibly be a pro-town cult, with the main advantage here being that anyone joining effectively becomes a mason (confirmed same faction for everyone else in it).

Much also depends on the order in which night actions are resolved. Assuming a cult recruitment happens before a kill (also assuming Two didn't die because he targeted a mafioso to recruit), it's very possible someone else is in the cult. Furthermore, cult leader death is sometimes handled by passing the role to the oldest living recruited player. If this were the case, whomever he recruited is now the leader of the cult. Two would then become a normal member on revival because there would already be a new leader at that point.

Either way, it doesn't really make much sense to lynch Two. If it's a pro-town cult, it's counterproductive to lynch people in it. If it's an anti-town cult, killing Two doesn't help much since the leader is still alive. If it's none of the above and Two really is just a solo cultist that can't recruit, he's not a threat to us at all.
Quaraezha
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What about his Motivator Role? Should we worry about that?
He might motivate someone with a role that may or may not be benefit to town.

(And what happens if he uses it on Mafia, does that mean they can Nightkill twice?)
Two_old
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Two_old
you are forgetting that I scanned someone
rust45
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Quaraezha wrote:

What about his Motivator Role? Should we worry about that?
He might motivate someone with a role that may or may not be benefit to town.

(And what happens if he uses it on Mafia, does that mean they can Nightkill twice?)
Nightkilling twice would be way overpowered. If it targeted mafia they would probably get another night action to use.
NoHitter
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NoHitter
Regarding Two:
He claims to have lost his recruitment ability, but we cannot say for certain.
Some want to lynch him because he is confirmed non-town and was anti-town, while other say that we should lynch mafia instead of him.
I agree with the latter, but if we have absolutely nothing to go on, I could go with the former.

Other Notes:
At the moment, I don't find anyone that suspicious (barring Two, but he's cult).
We may have two motivators as Two implies not to have used his power on me.
We seem to have some role that can post public messages. Apparently the same role can investigate others?
Wojjan
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Wojjan
At the same time I'm also gonna imply that Two didn't use his powers on you.
Mashley
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Mashley
Roleclaim: Forensic Investigator and Lie Detector
Two has not targeted NoHItter. The people who did were animask, rust45, and 0_o. We can assume that one of them forced his role to be revealed, and the other gave him his post restriction. The other we can't be sure about, so if that's you I encourage to roleclaim now.
I have used my Lie Detector ability twice (I can use it during day or night), confirming that Wojjan is the bomb and animask is with the town.
I'll wait to see how animask rust and 0_o respond to this, as if we can get the third role we will have 7 or so confirmed townies.
0_o
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0_o
I have only targetted one person so far, and it wasn't NoHItter. It's possible my action was shoved onto him somehow though..
rust45
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rust45
Yes I did target Hitter last night. And I will say that my action was the one that changed his role. But I had no idea how it would change the role when I used it.
Lybydose
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Which animask post did you use the lie detector ability on?
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