Wojjan wasn't trying to protect against a lynch, she was trying to protect herself from a nightkill so she can get past Day 1.
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Why protect yourself from a nightkill? Your role/ability involves you being killed. If the good chance you get killed by a mafia - a mafia member dies with you and the new death can be used to narrow things down/or make better decisions.Lilac wrote:
Wojjan wasn't trying to protect against a lynch, she was trying to protect herself from a nightkill so she can get past Day 1.
Does keeping yourself alive and withholding your ability help the town in someway?
It protects Vigs from misfiring and dying from Wojjan, resulting in two deaths in the town's side.
But I do admit, claiming Bomb this early doesn't have a real major impact which could mean that Wojjan was claiming for fun or she's not really caring at all.
But I do admit, claiming Bomb this early doesn't have a real major impact which could mean that Wojjan was claiming for fun or she's not really caring at all.
So the only reason for claiming bomb...was to protect against the vigilant?
The first post Wojjan makes in this game (practically the very beginning of the game) is to roleclaim bomb...to protect against the vigilant?
Did you know you were targeted by the vigilant? (I guess you can have another role that would make knowing something like that possible, but...)
A vigilant having chosen a target that early in the game doesn't seem so likely.
The first post Wojjan makes in this game (practically the very beginning of the game) is to roleclaim bomb...to protect against the vigilant?
Did you know you were targeted by the vigilant? (I guess you can have another role that would make knowing something like that possible, but...)
A vigilant having chosen a target that early in the game doesn't seem so likely.
I can't spell T_T
...I thought Wojjan's roleclaim was a joke?
Maybe?
Why exactly wouldn't the mod put an absorber as a town role?Two wrote:
Well, I think it's pretty clear that NoHItter is mafia. A pro-town role wouldn't -need- to absorb powers, and put yourself in the hosts position: would you be more likely to give a power absorption role to a role without many powers (mafia), or to a town?
You're set-up speculating - which isn't really advisable in a game like this. Remember, this is a game where the Host picks roles, what you think is fine is not necessarily what the mod thinks is fine.
Set-up spec is ok when it's a semi-open or open set-up, but this is a closed set-up. It may help but it cannot alone be a basis for saying some one is scum.
My roleclaim was not a joke. It's up to the mafia to decide if they want to risk the gambit.
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Haneii was sitting on a park bench, enjoying some Mint Ice Cream. All seemed to be going well that day, when suddenly two people jump out at her, screaming "YOU MURDERER!"
Suprised, Haneii swallows a bit too much of the ice cream, and begins choking. After some time the ice cream melts, and a relieved Haneii gets up. Ready, she walks forward to confront her accusations.... and is struck by lightning as a mysterious smoke fills the area.
Haneii - Lynched D1
When the smoke clears, the body is nowhere to be found.
It is now Night 1. Send all night actions within 24 hours. If you do not, the host will get to choose if you use your night action or not, and on whom.
Suprised, Haneii swallows a bit too much of the ice cream, and begins choking. After some time the ice cream melts, and a relieved Haneii gets up. Ready, she walks forward to confront her accusations.... and is struck by lightning as a mysterious smoke fills the area.
Haneii - Lynched D1
When the smoke clears, the body is nowhere to be found.
It is now Night 1. Send all night actions within 24 hours. If you do not, the host will get to choose if you use your night action or not, and on whom.
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In the middle of Night, someone stumbles upon the missing body of Haneii.
Haneii - Stalker + Enabler + Commuter + Dreaming God - Town - was Lynched D1.
Night continues, and you feel better knowing who died, but worse because they were innocent.
Haneii - Stalker + Enabler + Commuter + Dreaming God - Town - was Lynched D1.
Night continues, and you feel better knowing who died, but worse because they were innocent.
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Night ends in 6 hours, when night ends the remaining Night actions that are mandatory will be completed by me. Remaining non-mandatory actions may or may not be completed by me, depending on if you've taken any action at all.
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In the morning, Two's body is (not) found.
Two - Killed Night 1.
It is now Day 2.
With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Deadline is in four days.
Two - Killed Night 1.
It is now Day 2.
With 11 alive, it's 6 to lynch.
Deadline is in four days.
Well that's a good thing.
Not really but still.
Anybody got anything? Guilties are always appreciated.
Not really but still.
Anybody got anything? Guilties are always appreciated.
FoS on Wojjan.Wojjan wrote:
Well that's a good thing.
Not really but still.
Anybody got anything? Guilties are always appreciated.
LS didn't reveal the role yet.
Still haven't heard back on what the hell you were even talking about Day 1, animask.
What was it again, adam?adam2046 wrote:
Still haven't heard back on what the hell you were even talking about Day 1, animask.
Everything.animask wrote:
What was it again, adam?adam2046 wrote:
Still haven't heard back on what the hell you were even talking about Day 1, animask.
LS did reveal who got killed: the biggest jerk in this game.animask wrote:
FoS on Wojjan.Wojjan wrote:
Well that's a good thing.
Not really but still.
Anybody got anything? Guilties are always appreciated.
LS didn't reveal the role yet.
Except he hadn't done anything.Wojjan wrote:
LS did reveal who got killed: the biggest jerk in this game.
Yet.
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Two's body is discovered.
Two - CultLeader Member, Motivator, One-shot Role Cop - Killed Night 1
...and then starts moving again.
Two has been revived!
Two - Cult
...and then starts moving again.
Two has been revived!
um
hi two
hi two
I'm starting to believe that there is NO Mafia in this game...
Remove the head or destroy the brain.
fyi I only have 1 ability now, motivator
I used my cop skill already
I used my cop skill already
Well you're a cultie. Are you going to tell us before we lynch you?
Well at least we figured out what two's alignment and roles are.
I'm actually more curious now about how two revived himself if anything...
I'm actually more curious now about how two revived himself if anything...
He clearly didn't as no revival role was listed in his abilities.DeathxShinigami wrote:
Well at least we figured out what two's alignment and roles are.
I'm actually more curious now about how two revived himself if anything...
lynching me would be dumb because I'm powerless
also there is no replacement cult leader, the cult faction effectively died night 1 since I can't recruit
also there is no replacement cult leader, the cult faction effectively died night 1 since I can't recruit
Unless, of course, there is more than one cult leader.
Two, perhaps? No pun intended.
Two, perhaps? No pun intended.
ladysuburu told me there wasn't
am I allowed to post that? I guess I can because it's not like I'm quoting anything
am I allowed to post that? I guess I can because it's not like I'm quoting anything
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There are no rule violations in this post.Two wrote:
ladysuburu told me there wasn't
am I allowed to post that? I guess I can because it's not like I'm quoting anything
So Two... You gonna tell us who you investigated, and what you found out?
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...
I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
@adam, no, I still have no idea what you mean...
I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
@adam, no, I still have no idea what you mean...
lolanimask wrote:
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...
I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
Try reading the thread next time.animask wrote:
@adam, no, I still have no idea what you mean...
no, but I will say that I didn't scan a mafia memberrust45 wrote:
So Two... You gonna tell us who you investigated, and what you found out?
if it comes down to them being lynched, and I'm still alive, sure I'll share
@Two, tell us the truth. You have nothing left to hide now.
Also, I'm curious on who you inspected...
Also, I'm curious on who you inspected...
Why are you oh-so-interested in who he scanned and what result he got? Calling out someone's aux role is completely anti-town as it lets the mafia know who to target.animask wrote:
@Two, tell us the truth. You have nothing left to hide now.
Also, I'm curious on who you inspected...
@Lyb, I just wanted Two to say who the townie person was.
He doesn't need to reveal the aux role (if there even is one).
Just so we don't need to suspect that person anymore.
He doesn't need to reveal the aux role (if there even is one).
Just so we don't need to suspect that person anymore.
I am now less convinced that animask is Mafia and Lybydose more so.
Though animask might be pulling a facade, Doc immediately commented about revealing an aux role when animask didn't mention anything of the sort ot be revealed. Lybydose, I think you just might be jumping the gun here.
Though animask might be pulling a facade, Doc immediately commented about revealing an aux role when animask didn't mention anything of the sort ot be revealed. Lybydose, I think you just might be jumping the gun here.
That doesn't sound like that great of reasoning to be suspicious of Lybydose. When I read animask's post, I thought he was asking for Two to reveal everything he found. Even after Two gave good reasoning to not reveal the role. And this is a game where everyone has some sort of power, so mafia could benefit from even the knowledge of someone who's town(We've already seen a cult, who knows if there are any other third parties).
And really Mariobros, I don't get how what animask said made him less suspicious.
And really Mariobros, I don't get how what animask said made him less suspicious.
Maybe they're just really curious to what Two's investigations were. I know I am.
also hi guys
also hi guys
Just trying to be active, I haven't posted since forever.
Quaraezha: then be active, don't just post "hi guys i'm going to be active"
Yeah, I was too, until Two gave a good reason as to why it would be stupid to reveal his results.Quaraezha wrote:
Maybe they're just really curious to what Two's investigations were. I know I am.
also hi guys
Well Two can keep it tom himself until he feels like telling us.
Lybydose gave a good reason as to why not knowing is a good thing.
What does the "One-shot" mean in Two's role?
Lybydose gave a good reason as to why not knowing is a good thing.
What does the "One-shot" mean in Two's role?
One-shot means he can use it exactly once in the game
Oh, just noticed:
MOD: The OP hasn't been updated to show Two being back alive.
MOD: The OP hasn't been updated to show Two being back alive.
He might have but I'm willing to wager it's a noobie slip just like almost every rebuttal post he's almost ever done. To find out more about a person which is detrimental to the town and animask's experience almost warrants to not look at him seriously...After all, it's you who wanted to know Two's investigation first...rust45 wrote:
When I read animask's post, I thought he was asking for Two to reveal everything he found.
Like before, he's a twat that makes no sense, I wouldn't be suspicious unless he actually DOES something scummy. I'm curious as to why you think he's suspicious though.rust45 wrote:
And really Mariobros, I don't get how what animask said made him less suspicious.
I was now?Lilac wrote:
After all, it's you who wanted to know Two's investigation first...
I basically asked because Two ignored basically Ignored Wojjan asking about his investigation and I wanted some sort of answer.Wojjan wrote:
Are you going to tell us before we lynch you?
That may be true, but I would think even he would understand that after Two's post it would be stupid for him to reveal who he investigated and what he found kept to himself unless the information was needed.Lilac wrote:
He might have but I'm willing to wager it's a noobie slip just like almost every rebuttal post he's almost ever done.
Because, like you, I think he's a twat, but he seems to be more of one than usual, possibly because he has a role that he's not sure how to handle.Lilac wrote:
I'm curious as to why you think he's suspicious though.
Personally to me, I think you're trying too hard to defend the "twat", and for that, I'm keeping my eye on you.
I would like it if you would stop dismissing animask's unhelpful behavior as him simply being a noob.
He could be mafia and simply act like this the entire game and we'd never lynch him because "oh, he hasn't said anything scummy".
He could be mafia and simply act like this the entire game and we'd never lynch him because "oh, he hasn't said anything scummy".
noob != twat
I'm not completely ignore him, in fact, I'm paying a lot of attention to him and his behaviour. The fact that he has no role that he hates (according to osu!Mafia), the fact that he hasn't rebutted against your earlier argument.
Everything.
I'm not completely ignore him, in fact, I'm paying a lot of attention to him and his behaviour. The fact that he has no role that he hates (according to osu!Mafia), the fact that he hasn't rebutted against your earlier argument.
Everything.
So your death prevented you from recruiting anyone?Two wrote:
also there is no replacement cult leader, the cult faction effectively died night 1 since I can't recruit
Are cults like a third faction or something?
That's the only other reason I can think of for revealing a townie to be a bad thing.
That's the only other reason I can think of for revealing a townie to be a bad thing.
Cults are a third party faction that recruits members each Night.
By the way, 0_o how's the upgrade courtesy of Two?
By the way, 0_o how's the upgrade courtesy of Two?
Oh, right, it's day 2. Vote: NoHItter
Obviously mafia due to his role.
Obviously mafia due to his role.
If you're in the cult, you could still be misleading us...Two wrote:
Oh, right, it's day 2. Vote: NoHItter
Obviously mafia due to his role.
Also, what role? What role do you think he has?
By any chance Two, did you target me with your Motivation, because my role changed over the Night.
Also, I copied Two and used motivate on 0_o.
Also, I copied Two and used motivate on 0_o.
I've gone from "borderline useless" to "possibly useful in a certain scenario".NoHItter wrote:
Cults are a third party faction that recruits members each Night.
By the way, 0_o how's the upgrade courtesy of Two?
What I'm wondering though is why you would publicly announce this? Who exactly does that benefit besides the mafia?
0_o wrote:
What I'm wondering though is why you would publicly announce this?
Oh, right, it's day 2. Vote: NoHItterthat's why
I gained a post restriction wherein I have to state all my actions the previous night.NoHItter wrote:
because my role changed over the Night.
In exchange, my role's powers got an upgrade.
That's why I was wondering if Two targeted me. He was after all the Motivator.
Maybe it's a mafia perk? Who says you can just absorb anyone? Maybe it has to be part of a night kill.
That doesn't sound like something a Motivator would do. Perhaps a role possibly that changes a role for good of bad did that to you?NoHItter wrote:
I gained a post restriction wherein I have to state all my actions the previous night.
Problem is I don't think that there's any other possible role that could do that.
I've checked the MafiaScum Wiki already. Let me check again.
I've checked the MafiaScum Wiki already. Let me check again.
A question - how many mafia are there likely to be in this game? It's like 3 or 4, right?
Vote: Two
Unvote
12 player games usually have 3 mafia.
I'm guessing 4 is possible though.
Unvote
12 player games usually have 3 mafia.
I'm guessing 4 is possible though.
If you don't know what a tremendous scumtell that is, please leave the concept of mafia alone >:Tanimask wrote:
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...
vote: animask
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...My reasoning for the statement. ( ^ above quote )
I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
I obviously know that I'm usually seen as suspicious. (Fact)
You're delusional is what you are.animask wrote:
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...My reasoning for the statement. ( ^ above quote )
I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
I obviously know that I'm usually seen as suspicious. (Fact)
I didn't even ask for reasoning. I'd get mad but it's 4 AM right now so I.O.U
Topic Starter
Another note is on the ground.
"Based on my deductions, Lilac is very poor financially."
"Based on my deductions, Lilac is very poor financially."
Mostly going to take note of the poor financially bit for now.LadySuburu wrote:
Another note is on the ground.
"Based on my deductions, Lilac is very poor financially."
Concluding this could mean he's already used his power if he has one or that he won't be able to activate something for a period of time in the game.
Silly DxS. I'm poor because I bought my Mami Tomoe cosplay.
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1. Unless otherwise stated in your Role PM, this game takes place in this thread only - do not discuss it anywhere else. Doing so will get you modkilled or immediately replaced, depending on the severity of the offence.
Just restating, in case people forgot.
Just restating, in case people forgot.
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So, I forgot one of someone's night actions. Therefore I agreed to reveal something interesting about the game in place of that action.
Mod note 1: During night 1, there were a total of 18 night actions sent to me.
Mod note 1: During night 1, there were a total of 18 night actions sent to me.
I guess most people here have more roles than one, like Two for example. (no pun intended)
Oh my god would you stop it with the two punsQuaraezha wrote:
I guess most people here have more roles than one, like Two for example. (no pun intended)
this is why I want him dead
Also, cult, no matter how little, can joint with mafia just like lyncher or fool. Vote: 2
Shouldn't we just ignore him though?Wojjan wrote:
Also, cult, no matter how little, can joint with mafia just like lyncher or fool. Vote: 2
you have a limited number of lynches
why would you waste one on a person confirmed not to be mafia
oh right it's wojjan land
why would you waste one on a person confirmed not to be mafia
oh right it's wojjan land
If Two is telling the truth that there is no replacement leader then there really isn't any point in lynching him, as the only way he can win now is if he is the last one standing. Even if he is lying, and he did recruit someone who became the new leader after he died (a priest, perhaps?), I still don't lynching him would accomplish much, as we should be focusing on finding mafia.
Though I haven't played a game with a cult before, so I'm unaware of the general rules of thumb when dealing with them.
Though I haven't played a game with a cult before, so I'm unaware of the general rules of thumb when dealing with them.
With cults it's literally beat them or join them.
Generally you stop cults from spreading when they're still few - target the cult leader first.
Some variations though pass the ability to recruit to another member once the leader dies.
If Two is telling the truth then he can't recruit anyone anymore, so for now we can focus on scumhunting.
Generally you stop cults from spreading when they're still few - target the cult leader first.
Some variations though pass the ability to recruit to another member once the leader dies.
If Two is telling the truth then he can't recruit anyone anymore, so for now we can focus on scumhunting.
I wouldn't believe anything he says, but there's not much we can do in terms of finding someone randomly picked who may or may not actually exist.NoHItter wrote:
If Two is telling the truth then he can't recruit anyone anymore, so for now we can focus on scumhunting.
I concur, I still think there is another person out there who is part of the cult. To only have one member to begin with would seem too...easy...
I've got my eye on animask, Doc and Mash.
I've got my eye on animask, Doc and Mash.
I was under the impression that cults always started with only one person? Just from what I've read in the wikis at least.
It does make sense for the cult to start memberless (nothing but a leader), and it would simply be the leader's job to recruit every night to make it a true "cult".
Now then, the cult could be handled (by the host) in a number of ways. It could possibly be a pro-town cult, with the main advantage here being that anyone joining effectively becomes a mason (confirmed same faction for everyone else in it).
Much also depends on the order in which night actions are resolved. Assuming a cult recruitment happens before a kill (also assuming Two didn't die because he targeted a mafioso to recruit), it's very possible someone else is in the cult. Furthermore, cult leader death is sometimes handled by passing the role to the oldest living recruited player. If this were the case, whomever he recruited is now the leader of the cult. Two would then become a normal member on revival because there would already be a new leader at that point.
Either way, it doesn't really make much sense to lynch Two. If it's a pro-town cult, it's counterproductive to lynch people in it. If it's an anti-town cult, killing Two doesn't help much since the leader is still alive. If it's none of the above and Two really is just a solo cultist that can't recruit, he's not a threat to us at all.
Now then, the cult could be handled (by the host) in a number of ways. It could possibly be a pro-town cult, with the main advantage here being that anyone joining effectively becomes a mason (confirmed same faction for everyone else in it).
Much also depends on the order in which night actions are resolved. Assuming a cult recruitment happens before a kill (also assuming Two didn't die because he targeted a mafioso to recruit), it's very possible someone else is in the cult. Furthermore, cult leader death is sometimes handled by passing the role to the oldest living recruited player. If this were the case, whomever he recruited is now the leader of the cult. Two would then become a normal member on revival because there would already be a new leader at that point.
Either way, it doesn't really make much sense to lynch Two. If it's a pro-town cult, it's counterproductive to lynch people in it. If it's an anti-town cult, killing Two doesn't help much since the leader is still alive. If it's none of the above and Two really is just a solo cultist that can't recruit, he's not a threat to us at all.
What about his Motivator Role? Should we worry about that?
He might motivate someone with a role that may or may not be benefit to town.
(And what happens if he uses it on Mafia, does that mean they can Nightkill twice?)
He might motivate someone with a role that may or may not be benefit to town.
(And what happens if he uses it on Mafia, does that mean they can Nightkill twice?)
Nightkilling twice would be way overpowered. If it targeted mafia they would probably get another night action to use.Quaraezha wrote:
What about his Motivator Role? Should we worry about that?
He might motivate someone with a role that may or may not be benefit to town.
(And what happens if he uses it on Mafia, does that mean they can Nightkill twice?)
Regarding Two:
He claims to have lost his recruitment ability, but we cannot say for certain.
Some want to lynch him because he is confirmed non-town and was anti-town, while other say that we should lynch mafia instead of him.
I agree with the latter, but if we have absolutely nothing to go on, I could go with the former.
Other Notes:
At the moment, I don't find anyone that suspicious (barring Two, but he's cult).
We may have two motivators as Two implies not to have used his power on me.
We seem to have some role that can post public messages. Apparently the same role can investigate others?
He claims to have lost his recruitment ability, but we cannot say for certain.
Some want to lynch him because he is confirmed non-town and was anti-town, while other say that we should lynch mafia instead of him.
I agree with the latter, but if we have absolutely nothing to go on, I could go with the former.
Other Notes:
At the moment, I don't find anyone that suspicious (barring Two, but he's cult).
We may have two motivators as Two implies not to have used his power on me.
We seem to have some role that can post public messages. Apparently the same role can investigate others?
At the same time I'm also gonna imply that Two didn't use his powers on you.
Roleclaim: Forensic Investigator and Lie Detector
Two has not targeted NoHItter. The people who did were animask, rust45, and 0_o. We can assume that one of them forced his role to be revealed, and the other gave him his post restriction. The other we can't be sure about, so if that's you I encourage to roleclaim now.
I have used my Lie Detector ability twice (I can use it during day or night), confirming that Wojjan is the bomb and animask is with the town.
I'll wait to see how animask rust and 0_o respond to this, as if we can get the third role we will have 7 or so confirmed townies.
Two has not targeted NoHItter. The people who did were animask, rust45, and 0_o. We can assume that one of them forced his role to be revealed, and the other gave him his post restriction. The other we can't be sure about, so if that's you I encourage to roleclaim now.
I have used my Lie Detector ability twice (I can use it during day or night), confirming that Wojjan is the bomb and animask is with the town.
I'll wait to see how animask rust and 0_o respond to this, as if we can get the third role we will have 7 or so confirmed townies.
I have only targetted one person so far, and it wasn't NoHItter. It's possible my action was shoved onto him somehow though..
Yes I did target Hitter last night. And I will say that my action was the one that changed his role. But I had no idea how it would change the role when I used it.
Which animask post did you use the lie detector ability on?
Oh right, forgot to say that I'm pretty sure my action had nothing to do with his post restriction/motivation.
@ Lybydose: This one
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Q we really haven't heard enough from to judge, so he' be the fourth if there are four I think. Lilac just generally seems innocent to me and then of course there's that little note from before which didn't seem to fit a member of the mafia.
Sorry if I forgot something, this game is hectic.
Anyway, for now I'm going to vote Lybydose because he is my strongest FoS.
If we believe 0_o, and I am inclined to, that leaves us with 5 possible mafia:animask wrote:
He probably investigated me and found out I was a townie...
I did seem suspicious enough to be inspected.
@adam, no, I still have no idea what you mean...
- Lybydose
- Lilac
- DxS
- Quaraezha
- adam2046
.Q we really haven't heard enough from to judge, so he' be the fourth if there are four I think. Lilac just generally seems innocent to me and then of course there's that little note from before which didn't seem to fit a member of the mafia.
Sorry if I forgot something, this game is hectic.
Anyway, for now I'm going to vote Lybydose because he is my strongest FoS.