You ever thought about if I was actually town animask? It's nice reasoning you brought up about me buddying up but it just doesn't match up to like what ph0x was saying in Day 1.

About the whole "bluff attack on bmin" ph0x mentioned that there could be buddying but later stated @ that the attack which seemed more "friend based" rather than intentional cause it could be based on what "the friendship is like outside of the game"

I stated that I was testing bmin's friendship to make sure he wouldn't try to do anything suspicious but apparently you guys still don't believe it so fine. (Guess you want bmin to continue supporting the game while I feel like shit for bluffing?)

Have you ever thought about friends vs. roles animask?

And while you keep insisting to us I'm mafia. I'm only trying to bring in better evidence to why I'm not. (whether not this is part of your plan after all who knows)

I do like the activity though which is starting to seem less newbie and more thoughtful. But it's still silly to only think of one conclusion when there could be others.

animask wrote:

At first I suspected Quy, but if iMuffin was active, he would try to find out the cop/doctor.

Huh? *confused*

animask wrote:

Originally, I also suspected Quy, because of how he voted for me and wanted me to claim. (He wanted someone to counter-claim as Cop in order to protect Mashley who he thought was cop).

He probably wanted to have a safe vote. By having no counter-claims, Mashley would be very likely to be a cop. If there WAS a cop and counter-claimed? Mashley would be confirmed mafia. Even if he wasn't, we could always just lynch the person to counter-claimed (no townie wants to take the risk of counter-claiming). The cop could have chosen to not claim even knowing that guy is a mafia and this is would be the best option at that moment (Mashley had the most vote and rust was sleeping). Sadly, that wasn't the case.

Q wasn't doing the wrong thing, he just wasn't sure if he should vote Mashley or not

animask wrote:

BUT, DxS seems to be focusing on accusations and sus(s). He isn't providing much to his accusations, because he is
trying to copy me in some ways. That might be why he wants to know my play style. He notices that I "beat around the bush when you're not directly quoting actions".

I'm not sure how mafia would want to copy someones playing style. Any thoughts on why?


and FoSing 0_o for his inactivity is a bit too cruel. He (obviously) could've done nothing on day 1 and we are in a quite early stage of day 2.

bmin11 wrote:

MOD: Does the Role Blocker gets informed if they role blocked successfully?

No.

LadySuburu wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

MOD: Does the Role Blocker gets informed if they role blocked successfully?

No.

Thank you

animask wrote:

DxS probably thinks that I'm a threat in some way (to both mafia and townie) due to my reckless newbie playing, but he is using that to eliminate any suspicions on him.

DxS wrote:

animask (Pulled a fast one on me now but hey, newbies learn you get the least of my suspicions)

I don't think DxS is on to you, animask



EDIT: I think he's more on a annoyed stage due to your arguements. I'm gonna list your reasoning out for why you think DxS is a mafia

1. DxS is aggressive
2. DxS does not provide much evidence on suspicion
3. DxS is trying to copy animasks opinion + suspicion list + play style
4. DxS seems to be buddying with lurkers
5. DxS is accusing animask so himself will look clean


I disagree on 1 (for bad reasoning), 3 (not sure what he would get from it), 5 (he wasn't accusing you. Now he is because of your aggressiveness towards him)

I may be understanding this differently, but you guys seem to be talking pointlessly ._.;; I'm really confused with this thread right now (oh how I wish if Ph0X was here with his analyzed post)

First of all, I see that people are suspicious of me for voting Mashley, and because the NK was Ph0x who suspected me.

If there was indeed an unvoting mechanic I would have unvoted Mashley because of his cop claim. (Really LS, why are we guinea pigs on this D:) I was also suspicious of Mashley from since when he posted that comment of his. It wasn't like I suddenly suspected Mashley out of the blue and proceeded to vote him.

About the NK on Ph0x: It is WIFOM to say that someone is probably "scum" because the person who died suspected him.

Incidentally we are 5 town : 2 scum at the moment. If we mislynch town today, and the NK goes through, we will be at Ly-Lo tomorrow.

I'm still criticizing you for voting the 4th vote on Mashley. We are playing on No Unvote and you know how much that vote weighed :<... Maybe you got too convinced by animask's reasoning (which I think it was based on guts really). If you truely want townies to win, you gotta think much deeper if you are about to vote (specially, if that vote is close to determinding the person's fate)

Yes, I got a bit angered over there... I'll try to hold myself better next time. Sorry...

Scenario Time w/o accusing anybody specifically

Mafia (1)
Roleblocker (1)

Townies (4)
Doctor (1)

The Doctor probably tried to protect Ph0X and failed, because of the Roleblocker.
This means the Mafia know who the Doctor is or very likely to be.
If the Doctor didn't protect Ph0X then they may be targeting the wrong person.
Which means they will try to go for a NK to avoid being sus(s).
They will try to avoid accusing the Doctor of being mafia.


Mafia (2)

Townies (5)

The Mafia thought that with Mashley gone they should get rid of the good player, Ph0X.
Then, they will try to avoid any sus(s) and contribute like a townie or continue to lurk.
If they are lurking now, they think they are succeeding and will win.
NoHiTter asked if voting for lurkers was alright or not.
Suprisingly, some semi-lurkers actually answered.
Those people could actually be mafia.

animask wrote:

NoHiTter asked if voting for lurkers was alright or not.
Suprisingly, some semi-lurkers actually answered.

And because of that, I brought it up here as a list (man, do I love listing)

NoHItter: Lurking is a null tell. Mods should replace them. Unless they say that they would prefer to lurk on purpose, and give nothing helpful to town. Doing that is anti-town, and thus a FoS from me.

DxS: Probably not. Someone who is a bit more outspoken however usually winds up being voted upon by me though.

animask: Only if some crazy thing with chances and process of elimination comes up.

bmin11: Nope. I think they are lurking because of their position (cop/doc). It's likely to be a mafia, but I want to wait for the cop to find them first.

rust45: Only if they don't respond to questions asked.

Q: Maybe, but based from my experiences, the ones who lurk are, most of the time, Power Roles. Otherwise, they're Mafia or Townie.



I left out the dead and replaced people (Ph0X, Mashley, and iMuffin)



EDIT: My internet deadline is coming within 4 minutes (10:30 PM every nights except Saturday 11:00 PM). I'll only observe until I get disconnect

Could someone tell me what sus(s) means? animask keeps saying it and I have never heard the term before..

I do have things to say but I'll do it tomorrow when I don't have things I should really be doing right now >_>

0_o wrote:

Could someone tell me what sus(s) means? animask keeps saying it and I have never heard the term before..

I do have things to say but I'll do it tomorrow when I don't have things I should really be doing right now >_>

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... reviations

...and now I'm off.

Ugh, way too much going on, don't really know what to say...

NoHItter wrote:

About the NK on Ph0x: It is WIFOM to say that someone is probably "scum" because the person who died suspected him.

This is very true, but a lot of things in mafia are WIFOM. However without concrete evidence, I'm not going to vote on you just for the night kill.

Anyway, I actually have a question for everyone, it may sound a bit suspicious but I think it would help out a lot.

If you were mafia, who would you kill on Night 1 if there wasn't a confirmed power role?
I already answered, and it was about killing people who were less active so that lurkers can be killed to move the game faster and since auxs often are less active.

rust45 wrote:

If you were mafia, who would you kill on Night 1 if there wasn't a confirmed power role?
I already answered, and it was about killing people who were less active so that lurkers can be killed to move the game faster and since auxs often are less active.

This question will just add more WIFOM into the mix. Why did you bring it up? Define "help a lot"

I figure finding out people's mindsets in regarding to killing wouldn't hurt. However you do make a good point in it adding WIFOM, but WIFOM can sometimes be vital to helping the game.

Oh right, might as well answer that questionnaire from earlier:

1)What is your preferred/ favorite role and why? Either vanilla townie or mafia. Townie because you can go all out without worrying about being nightkilled, and mafia because lying is fun
2) Would you lynch lurkers? It depends on the situation. In big games where one can afford a few mislynches then I'm ok with cutting the fat so long as there's not much else to go on, but in smaller games like this it's a lot more risky.
3) In lynching people, do you use your gut mostly, or do you analyze the situation? I actually find that I sometimes have trouble distinguishing the line between the two. I analyze posts and form opinions on scum tells and town tells, but it's difficult for me to distinguish my personal bias from actual fact. Much life real life actually.
4) Do you believe in the usage of meta? (Basically using other games as a reference) Yes. Professional poker players use knowledge of their opponents while playing, and it's the same thing here.

Lying is fun eh? Sounds rather aux'y to me...

So wait gonna do an analysis for now

While bmin is really chatty I just find him a player who wants to figure things out and wants to get through every day without much confusion as we faced in day 1. (Could be a good game leader as replacing ph0x as he really got more informative in the end of day 1)

All of my accusations made against me don't make sense. ph0x brought them out on day 1 and made me squirm but the more I had to tell the more he relied on my advice as well towards the end even though I voted for mashley due to split voting which I would've changed votes if I could.

bmin even stated logical reasons on why animask is heavily targetting me but again that's not much either. (Why so personal animask?)

Player Q really flipped himself on this one (Saying why he voted for for animask) Definitely looks better than randomly voting and I understand the timezone problems too which is what he explained

rust however just seems either busy in RL or really vague in mafia games unless that's how he rolls too...
Throwing out a question about power roles seem fishy anyways especially if he turns out to be mafia.

faceman is being a team player that's for sure but definitely different than ph0x bmin or I as contributors in this game. Some of his posts may seem odd but I can justify that it's his first real day in the game unlike us.

NoHItter still seems odd but not as much as before...while questioning other players he makes me think that there's something more behind the scenes than we know.

And finally

animask yet again continues to bring up the buddying situation which is really day 1 answered unless you really know something that I don't.

headed off to work soon, I'll catch up tonight if something comes down.

Q wrote:

FoS on bmin11

The only reason you posted about me being suspicious was "bmin11 with his roleclaiming thing" on Day 1 and I think it's time for you to refresh your reasoning.

DxS wrote:

(Could be a good game leader as replacing ph0x as he really got more informative in the end of day 1)

You seem to be very concerned with the leader role. Do we actually need a leader in this game? From what I see from Ph0X, having a leader could be very dangerous, specailly if we have to be carefull with lynching now (we only have 5 townies left)





For rust45's question
I understand it's only a WIFOM, but I think it's worth a try (even risking the confusion). So, if I was a mafia, I would have went for Ph0X. As I mentioned earlier; "without a cop, only thing we have is someone with an eye and a wit" and Ph0X was definately the biggest threat to mafias even if Ph0X was FoSing them or not at the time being

bmin11 wrote:

DxS wrote:

(Could be a good game leader as replacing ph0x as he really got more informative in the end of day 1)

You seem to be very concerned with the leader role. Do we actually need a leader in this game? From what I see from Ph0X, having a leader could be very dangerous, specailly if we have to be carefull with lynching now (we only have 5 townies left)

From what I see, you tend to want to always throw in your opinion through the entire real life day. We probably don't need a leader like role within the mafia game now but again I'm dissappointed we lost ph0x. But hopefully, as long as we stay on track throughout day 2 we can have more thoughtful ideas come from all of us instead of a select few.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

rust however just seems either busy in RL or really vague in mafia games unless that's how he rolls too...

Kinda a mix of both, my bro's back from college and I've been hanging out with him, and due to me not being as good at anaslyis I can't keep detailed opinions like Ph0x.

bmin11 wrote:

For rust45's questionI understand it's only a WIFOM, but I think it's worth a try (even risking the confusion). So, if I was a mafia, I would have went for Ph0X. As I mentioned earlier; "without a cop, only thing we have is someone with an eye and a wit" and Ph0X was definately the biggest threat to mafias even if Ph0X was FoSing them or not at the time being

So would you consider yourself a player who tries to get the job done quickly? (I'm not accusing you of anything but you seem to be trying to do that right now if you're a townie, as you're doing a great job of trying to scum hunt.)

Anyway, I'm kinda curious as to why Q Fos'd bmin, I don't quite see what bmin has done lately (if at all) is suspcious in my book.

Anyway, I'm kinda curious as to why Q Fos'd bmin, I don't quite see what bmin has done lately (if at all) is suspcious in my book.

Quy and bmin are both mafia and Quy is accusing bmin, because of how much information hes putting in.
Quy is trying to accuse bmin, because he thinks hes NOT the possible doctor. (doing what I said the mafia would do)

Quy is trying to eliminate bmin, because of his role as the 2nd Ph0X. (Ph0X's successor)

bmin doesn't seem to suspicious, but I will keep the thing about him thinking I'm Doctor in mind.

BUT FoS rust45, Quy, NoHItter and a less sus(s) on DxS for now

EDIT: In case you didn't get the first thing I said, I'm not really sure if Quy and bmin could be mafia or not.
I just think there is a connection between the two.

So uh?

Where's your response to my questions animask?

bmin totally flip flopping if he's the 2nd ph0x is hilarious though.

Also don't edit posts

this is why we can double post in here animask.

animask wrote:

Quy and bmin are both mafia and Quy is accusing bmin, because of how much information hes putting in.

I don't get this part. You are saying, Q (the mafia) wants bmin11 (the other mafia) to be lynched because he's giving too much information to the townies??? This is the stupidest idea I've ever heard in this game. No mafia wants his partner to die unless they are having a betrayal issue (in that case, mafia would have told us who were the mafias already by now)

animask wrote:

bmin doesn't seem to suspicious, but I will keep the thing about him thinking I'm Doctor in mind.

Jesus Christ animask. Do you know the definition of "assumption"? I said: (image below)

and you can see that I ASSUMED you were the doctor BECAUSE you said "Roleblocker. There HAS to be one". Only a doctor would have been so sure about the roleblocker so I ASSUMED you were the doctor. Is there anyone who doesn't get this right now?


I'm ridiculed by animask's "bmin11 thinks I'm a doctor" thing right now and I just explained this the THIRD TIME. *Facepalm* are you doing this on purpose? You messed around with DxS (at least with some reasons based on gut feelings), and now you are meesing around with me by repeating the same question. I was extreamly confused by you vs DxS act, and now I'm extreamly ridiculed by you not reading my posts.

I would have voted you if only the situation wasn't this desperate (5 townies left). I still believe you are a townie and I agree with NoHitter that we can't risk to lose a townie (even the person is being annoying)

Can we just vote animask now? he's totally trolling all of the western timezone players

Just wanna play talesweaver...

I feel like crying now ;_; I'm not here to write an essay about "why I thought animask was a doctor" ;________;

Hi I'm posting every few minutes

The bear repeats itself.

For the record I thought animask was pseudo-claiming doctor with his initial comment as well.

Sorry for the lack of activity, I'll try and post more by the end of the day.

0_o wrote:

For the record I thought animask was pseudo-claiming doctor with his initial comment as well.

Sorry for the lack of activity, I'll try and post more by the end of the day.

Thank you. Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you

Fine, I'm the Doctor already. It's too hard for me to hide it anyways.

I'm having a hard time coming to logical conclusions atm so I'll just wait for some good posts.

Probably getting lynched tonight.

animask wrote:

Fine, I'm the Doctor already. It's too hard for me to hide it anyways.

I'm having a hard time coming to logical conclusions atm so I'll just wait for some good posts.

Probably getting lynched tonight.

Yeahhh we could have avoided a lot of drama if you had just said that in the first place. The mafia already knew you were the doctor because of the successful roleblock so there wasn't any point in hiding it.

If you're telling the truth that is.

Roleblocker or not. Mafia is still Mafia.

There was a chance that the Mafia had another suspect and if I appeared to be
a regular townie, my chances of being saved were higher. I immediately suspected
bmin, because I thought he was too sure that I was the Doctor.

Other Doctor Stuff

I asked for the Doctor/Cop in the beginning so (Mashley/Cop) would fake roleclaim as Doctor
or cop and I could protect that person without anybody knowing I was the Doctor. Which wasn't
a great move, because anyone could have claimed hoping for that.(?)

0_o wrote:

Yeahhh we could have avoided a lot of drama if you had just said that in the first place. The mafia already knew you were the doctor because of the successful roleblock so there wasn't any point in hiding it.

If you're telling the truth that is.

LadySuburu wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

MOD: Does the Role Blocker gets informed if they role blocked successfully?

No.

Sorry animask, but you've totally got me wrong on this one. I was merely DEFENDING myself. You were thinking I could be the mafia because I was thinking you were a doctor. And I told you not to role claim if mafia doesn't get informed. Another *facepalm* for me. I wasn't trying to prove you were a doctor and you should have known that when I said not to role claim if mafia doesn't get informed. Why do you think I was asking LS if mafia would get informed? Because I wanted to make sure this doctor is safe or not. Well, you just ruined my plan and we are good to say, we lost our doctor.

Which is why I was roleblocked successfully....

(I hate not editing.)

And again, please read my posts. I'm here to help you animask (well I can't do anything now since you role claimed =ㅅ=)

I'm sorry ;__;

At least now I'm known for reckless, risky moves.

But, what if I'm not Doctor~ My plan could be working.

Well, if you are not the doctor, thing will get interesting (I can already see mafias being confused)

Day 2 is going to be my Last Resort.

Let's do this!

After the long commercial break...(srsly)

Alright so the last few pages have simply been a huge confusing mess so let's get some actual discussion going.

If you were to guess the mafia right now, who would it be?
My picks are NoHItter and DxS. NoHItter I've just been getting bad vibes from; DxS isn't particularly scummy (his posts are ALWAYS bizarre so it's difficult to get a read), but I've been getting stronger pro-town cues from everyone else so it's more of a process of elimination thing.

0_o wrote:

If you were to guess the mafia right now, who would it be?

If I were to guess at this very moment, NoHItter and either Q or DxS.
HItter just hasn't been sitting right with me for most of the game and seems to becoming less active.
Q's has kinda been distancing himself as well from what I can see and FoS's bmin.
DxS also doesn't sit right with me and I think he might be trying to be confusing with his posts.

I'll post an opinion list since I haven't posted one yet (I realized)

NoHItter: Slammed the last lynch with the 4th vote. You should have at least waited for Mashley. Q was on while Mashley posted, so you guys are on a similar time zone.

DxS: Confusing conversation between animask. He also contributed to Mashley's lynch, but at least he realized this could turn out bad and tried to convince a 4/4 split (without knowing the draw rule however ._.;;)

Q: Why do you suspect me? That is the question. I don't have much thing to talk about. He haven't done anything much but voted on animask to make the 4/4 split happen. However, he's act doesn't make him townie since everyone (even Mashley) knew it was too late for a split. Neutral on my note, just an odd ball.

0_o: Nothing much to talk about. Seems like townie. If animask was the mafia, then I'm thinking 0_o as a mafia because of iMuffin's absent. You haven't done anything wrong, but as I said on my iMuffin - animask mafia theory, iMuffin didn't help animask out (because he was away) and animask would have made the NK and Roleblock (if there is a doctor) by himself.

rust45: Nothing much to talk about as well ._.;; But I should answer your question and I'll on the next post (I forgot until now orz). He at least started out something that could be productive, but unfortunaly, it died off because of DxS vs animask (and again, *facepalm*)

animask: He could (just could) be a smart mafia trying to confuse us with accusation and arguing. From this, he was able to turn rusts question off and brought DxSs attention towards him. However, I just can't really imagine animask as a mafia. Idk why, but just can't. I'm STILL not sure if he's a doctor or not. He could be something else, but I just don't want to lose his chance of being a doctor and mafia doing nothing about him.



FoS on NoHItter (due to above reason + elimination, like 0_o)


EDIT: I edited to bold those names

rust45 wrote:

So would you consider yourself a player who tries to get the job done quickly? (I'm not accusing you of anything but you seem to be trying to do that right now if you're a townie, as you're doing a great job of trying to scum hunt.)

Right now, we don't have a cop and if we mislynch tonight, we are likely to lose this game. We must lynch a mafia twice to win the game and we are only left with one mislynch chance. Which means, if we mislynch, we have to get those mafias twice in a roll. I want to make sure we can get everything out of this

rust45 wrote:

Anyway, I'm kinda curious as to why Q Fos'd bmin, I don't quite see what bmin has done lately (if at all) is suspcious in my book.

That is the question

Personal thoughts however.

Imagine if we do lynch a mafia member today.

Obviously whoever we lynch determines who dies during night as well.

If we lose a key vocal townie during night and we mislynch either way...it's pretty much over with animask already roleclaiming.

However, what happens if we find out that the person we lynched is the mafia roleblocker? This would actually put us in a better position to protect a town member during night (considering if animask really is doctor) and we'd actually gain some ground against mafia.

tl;dr

If we lynch a mafia roleblocker that means we can find out who the other mafia person easier on Day 3. But if we only capture a lynch on a generic mafia man someone will end up suiciding to even it out still with the mafia roleblocker in play. And lastly if we fail to lynch a mafia player consider it GG.

FoS on rust and Player Q for the time being.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Personal thoughts however.

Imagine if we do lynch a mafia member today.

Obviously whoever we lynch determines who dies during night as well.

If we lose a key vocal townie during night and we mislynch either way...it's pretty much over with animask already roleclaiming.

However, what happens if we find out that the person we lynched is the mafia roleblocker? This would actually put us in a better position to protect a town member during night (considering if animask really is doctor) and we'd actually gain some ground against mafia.

tl;dr

If we lynch a mafia roleblocker that means we can find out who the other mafia person easier on Day 3. But if we only capture a lynch on a generic mafia man someone will end up suiciding to even it out still with the mafia roleblocker in play. And lastly if we fail to lynch a mafia player consider it GG.

FoS on rust and Player Q for the time being.

"It would be good if we lynched the roleblocker" isn't exactly a useful piece of insight.

Also you guys are wayyy too pessimistic about what happens if we mislynch today.

FoS on rust and Player Q for the time being.

Reasoning?

and we can talk about not having role blocker (not even sure if there's even a role blocker since we are not sure of a doctor) once we actually lynch it.

I agree we could still stay risky on lynching, but I'm still worried for 3 vs 2 game. And obviously, we want to lynch the likeliest, not the most wanting to be lynched.

animask is still off putting


"But, what if I'm not Doctor~ My plan could be working." - animask

"plan" what plan?

The fact that you recklessly refuse to post straight opinions still urk me.

bmin11 wrote:

Well, if you are not the doctor, thing will get interesting (I can already see mafias being confused)

mafia? shouldn't that be everyone in general? remember that buddying thing as I said earlier bmin?

suspicions on pretty much half the group cause everyone is choking on their own posts (including me)
and here's a generic tier list now

animask
Rust45
bmin11
Player "Q"
NoHItter
0_o
DxS (Yeah I still get the last slot)

You seem to believe in NoHItter and not rust45 (not that both should be weighed differently compare eachother). Care to tell us your thoughts about it?

If we lynch the roleblocker or the mafia then the other mafia will still try to NK me.

@ DxS Since I get the feeling I should respond to people more, my plan was a WIFOM.
Which I obviously use a lot on others and myself (unfortunately).

The key is to not be persuaded by other FoS's that match yours.
If multiple people agree with you, you might become close-minded.

As long as we don't bandwagon lynch, we should be able to think clearly.

Also, If I had to guess mafia at this exact moment (with no further evidence), I would go with

NoHitTer and rust45

I'm not sure yet, which is why I'm looking for that "further evidence".

I pretty much have all day, because I'm on an exam-week state. 9:00 AM - 12:00 PM prep, 1:00 PM - 4:00 PM prep, and 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM prep. Some are taking exams at those times. Today, I had no exams and was just studying having my laptop in front of me. That's why I was active all day (idling while studying).


I won't be as active as I use to be tomorrow due to my exams ^^.....................

I don't get why you think bmin's trying to fit in, he just seems to be a vocal townie. And about him talking too much, he just gave a valid reason and I don't see why talking a lot is a problem.

Whoa. How many pages were added since I last posted...

At the moment my new suspicions list based on what I skimmed. (The higher you are, the more suspicious.)
rust45 = 0_o = DxS
Quaraezha
bmin11
animask - Claims doctor. No counterclaim. Thus I believe that animask is doctor.

It also seems that I am being suspected because I was the fourth vote on Mashley.
I've already explained that I suspected Mashley from the start.
If you read my post after, I realized albeit too late that claiming and still avoiding getting lynched would be hard as the other town would have to vote for a tie with the other lynchee.

Need time to reread.

NoHItter wrote:

I've already explained that I suspected Mashley from the start.

Your suspicion on Mashley was based on your gut (as you stated) at the very beginning. No other reasons were purposed until animask also gave on opinion of "Mashley is trying too hard to fit in" + Ph0X's reversed FoS list (even I stated SOME COULD BE OUTDATED). It moved way too quickly and even that didn't mind DxS and you for voting the last two votes. Was it that convincing or supportive to your suspicion on Mashley? That not even a second thought on to wait for a defence?

And the same question for DxS as well :<

WIFOM stage, but the act you guys made did gave me of a hastiness and a smell of a scumtell. I'm welcome for defences since I'm not truely sure of my thoughts yet.

Time to answer questions...

bmin being overactive?

lol...

To be honest while it may seem odd that bmin "overposts" I do believe that it has to do with his dedication more than just being bored and trolling all of us. If you go ahead and read why "bmin posts frequently" I can justify that he didn't want to seem like a newbie holding the game back. That and he lives in a boarding school with constant downtime especially if he's in his dorm room throughout the whole day he can probably get online a lot more than us. (Plus he's in Canada not S. Korea like his flag says) Just in case that threw anyone off.

Believing in NoHItter could be mafia but not rust?

Actually my opinion has changed. I think that at this point rust is mostly likely mafia. (Out of all of us, he provided the least opinion on day 1 only 3rd to Player Q and imuffin respectfully) imuffin of course got replaced but that was obvious. 0_o seems more pro-town than I believe he is, but of course he hasn't been around when all of Day 1 occured so we can't assume so quickly afterall. And of course Player Q's explanation for why he wasn't around "actually makes sense" compared to some of the other responses so far. Now looking at NoHItter he was the one to actually "kick up some dust" by that questionnaire we all answered. then later distancing himself towards the end of Day 1. But still his playing style seems to distance himself which seems suspicious.

My vote on Mashley

Well...I can admit the FoS/Reverse FoS lists that were provided immediately at the end may seem to promote bandwagoning. At the time of when Night was coming to an end I was trying to distance myself from my Mashley vote that I placed almost immediately after bmin and ph0x posted. What we shouldn't do however the next time is everyone mass voting without having some sort of justification on Day 2.

P.S. Rust if you're actually trying to ask me something can you make it more obvious? Hard to tell who you're directing your posts too actually.

I got an idea, lets say HoS (Hand of Suspicion) to be our vote. Just before we make our log out on the last moment, we will vote on whatever we HoSed on. It should work similar to vote with unvote rule

bmin11 wrote:

I got an idea, lets say HoS (Hand of Suspicion) to be our vote. Just before we make our log out on the last moment, we will vote on whatever we HoSed on. It should work similar to vote with unvote rule

Sounds like something you'd have to ask Lady, unless you're saying if the person doesn't post their HoS as a vote before they log off that's a no vote?

DeathxShinigami wrote:

bmin11 wrote:

I got an idea, lets say HoS (Hand of Suspicion) to be our vote. Just before we make our log out on the last moment, we will vote on whatever we HoSed on. It should work similar to vote with unvote rule

Sounds like something you'd have to ask Lady, unless you're saying if the person doesn't post their HoS as a vote before they log off that's a no vote?

He just means that we simply keep an HOS on whoever we want to vote for, then officially vote at last minute so we don't have another Mashley incident where someone wants to change their mind.

But anywho:

HOS on NoHItter, FOS on DxS.

NoHItter, it wasn't so much your 4th vote on Mashley that I found suspicious as your reasons for finding him suspicious in the first place. It was pretty clear he was simply expressing his frustration at animask's odd posts; your attack came off to me as mafia looking too hard for an excuse to kill.

DeathxShinigami wrote:

Sounds like something you'd have to ask Lady, unless you're saying if the person doesn't post their HoS as a vote before they log off that's a no vote?

The person with no HoS would be saying "I'm not voting", but he can still vote technically. Of course, I'm not going to look that person as a reliable townie.

I don't really want to resort to a bandwagon HoS, but I think there is something hidden
in the last few posts for some reason. If not, then I'll be HoS'ing NoHiTter.

I have to agree again with bmin...if someone doesn't post their HoS as a vote before they leave that also can be considered to be scummish since it would look evasive and such.

I just want the person to realize how FoS is serious when there is no Unvote. So, HoS should be a good signal.

NoHitTer says that he suspected Mashley from the start.

Yes, he was sus(s) in the way that he posted, but why did you suspect him?
Are there any reasons other than the one that I stated?
(Mashley agreeing too easily and trying to fit in.)
If you were mafia, you would assume he was an aux role.
If you were townie, you would assume he was an aux role/mafia (like I did)

The odds are higher towards an aux role. (I only see this now o_O)

0_o, you should have realized that Ph0X and myself both voted for Mashley. My evidence
just seemed to appeal more towards Mashley, because everyone else was less sus(s) besides me.
Now that I claimed as doctor, you should realize that two aux roles were targeted at the beginning.
Also, the mafia shouldn't know if their roleblock was succesful or not.
(Stated before you posted...)

Yeahhh we could have avoided a lot of drama if you had just said that in the first place. The mafia already knew you were the doctor because of the successful roleblock so there wasn't any point in hiding it.

If you're telling the truth that is.

Also, you asked a question that everyone answered again.
(Even thought NoHitter and rust45 asked questions too)

Next is Quy.

Quaraezha wrote:

Okay so about my suspicion on bmin11
(Not that's it's much of a big deal, but these are my 2 cents)

I believe bmin11 is a bit TOO active and trying TOO hard to fit in with townies.
Even though bmin11 has contributed a lot, I say these are just elements of trying to blend in.
(Although considering that this is bmin11's first game, this might probably be normal and bmin11's townie)

Quy, you're using the same reasoning that got Mashley vote lynched on the first day (except for the contribution part).
Where were you going with this? It seems like you're (like everyone else) trying to avoid accusing as mafia. So far, nobody has
any really strong opinions w/ facts on who is mafia or not (or its just me).

DxS, you are an agressive player OR you are mafia and have no worries about accusing others of being mafia, because
you already know who is the mafia. You could also be a townie and trying to start accusations on people to see if someone has
anything to say about it (nobody really seems to have any strong opinions atm). I don't get why I have to be the most sus(s) when
there are obviously other people that you could be focusing on.

bmin11, you accused my idea of the mafia targeting another mafia to be stupid, when you forgot about how it is opposite
of the mafia buddy system. You also refused to believe it could be possible (I didn't claim you as mafia. I just made an example of a possible mafia pairing like that.) Also, it was what you said that made me continue with my thought of roleclaiming. I'm not sure if this was
an emotional strategy or not. You shouldn't have gotten too upset by my assumptions unless you were actually guilty. (like with my roleclaim but now I think I'm taking things personally) I've never really been sure of it as it was just an idea.

It seems like nobody wants to be a sus(s) right now and nobody wants to strongly accuse anyone (or there is too little information).

Also, my primary reason for roleclaiming was to prevent another innocent townie get vote lynched.
(Since I was sus(s) during Day 1)

I agree with the HoS pseudo-vote/unvote idea. Except, will we have to vote at the last minute or something similar?
I don't think some people would have that option.

In response to animask, it was infighting about the past day 1 that you accused me on mostly when a lot of those accusations were cleared up. I am trying to stay relevant in my posts by continuing to say what I believe in but somehow you like to bring up the past with your reckless playing style which really disturbs me. However it isn't wise to just evade that and immediately accusing someone else without dealing with what others bring up against you first. (such as in my case) Gotta like the bigger shift in playing style since you claimed doctor however.

Still hoping for more rust activity.
Just weird how the western timezone players are all here except him most of the time.

Unless I dunno "he's rusty at mafia" hohohoho

0_o, you should have realized that Ph0X and myself both voted for Mashley.

Yes, but for different reasons. You said that you thought he was trying too hard to fit in, and Ph0X voted for him because Mashley had the most FoS's out of everyone (although when you actually look at everyone's explaination for their Mashley FoS's most of them are fairly mild. Ph0X himself didn't even state any strong suspicions about him)
I can see both of those reasons as being fairly valid for a Day 1 vote. NoHItter's initial attack, in my opinion, was not.

Also, the mafia shouldn't know if their roleblock was succesful or not.

The first thing I thought when you posted the "any doctors or cops" post is that you were a (noob) doctor looking for a cop to protect (I had a feeling there were others that thought this as well but didn't say anything in order to keep you hidden, though I could be wrong of course). I believe the mafia had the same idea, which is probably why they roleblocked you. If you hadn't have said anything about it the next day then there would still been have some uncertainty, but blatantly saying "there must be a roleblocker" completely tipped your hand as doctor is the only townie that would know there is a roleblocker.

Also I swear, I can't understand half of what you and DxS say >_>

DeathxShinigami wrote:

In response to animask, it was infighting about the past day 1 that you accused me on mostly when a lot of those accusations were cleared up. I am trying to stay relevant in my posts by continuing to say what I believe in but somehow you like to bring up the past with your reckless playing style which really disturbs me. However it isn't wise to just evade that and immediately accusing someone else without dealing with what others bring up against you first. (such as in my case) Gotta like the bigger shift in playing style since you claimed doctor however.

1) Past? Day 1? Oh, you mean the already "resolved" things? I never refuse the possibility for things.
If you have anything important to bring up about someone other than me in Day 2, please let me know.
I can't find much in Day 2. I miss Ph0X now.

2) ty~ I think. I'm getting lynched anyways so I might as well contribute like crazy.
(or maybe I just raised my lynch rate...)

Also, how much time do we have left? Approx.?

animask wrote:

ty~ I think. I'm getting lynched anyways so I might as well contribute like crazy.
(or maybe I just raised my lynch rate...)

Also, how much time do we have left? Approx.?

Firstly I'm pretty sure you aren't getting lynched today.

Secondly we have 1 day + 18 hours left.

animask wrote:

bmin11, you accused my idea of the mafia targeting another mafia to be stupid, when you forgot about how it is opposite
of the mafia buddy system. You also refused to believe it could be possible (I didn't claim you as mafia. I just made an example of a possible mafia pairing like that.)

I know they would also try to distance themselve to avoid alignment, but you suggested "mafia trying to lynch a mafia" not "mafia trying to distance eachother by putting suspicion" and I was a bit humoured by it. Well now I understand what you are trying to say, so there's no problem with this anymore (to me).

animask wrote:

You shouldn't have gotten too upset by my assumptions unless you were actually guilty

I wasn't upset by your assumption, but how you ignored my respond TWICE and ASKED AGAIN. *ahem* It wouldn't have been a big deal (since most knew you were a doctor anyway), but ignoring me is a different matter. I'm going to remind you again (because I'm worried you might have missed it again), please read my posts.

animask wrote:

I agree with the HoS pseudo-vote/unvote idea. Except, will we have to vote at the last minute or something similar?

Everyone will vote on their last log in before the lynch. Voting means "I have made my decision and I'm not going to change my vote no matter how you defense". So ya, remember to vote if you can't log in before the lynch. We need eveyones vote

NoHItter wrote:

Ahh crap. I forgot that since the votes are permanent, claiming when you are about to get lynched is useless.
Next day I suggest we really go through with a pseudo-voting system before actually voting to give leeway for any changes in suspicions

And how did I not see this until now ;_; Sorry NoHItter for accusing you...


Good thing I'm going through the thread again. I might as well do it again *sigh*

I'm sorry for the inactivity but there are a couple reasons for it.

1. Bro home from college and just doing other things.
2. My normal computer is in the shop and I'm using my old tower which is a pain to work with at times.

Anyway, I agree on the pseudo-voting system to avoid the incident on day 1, but only as long as people will treat a HoS on them like a vote. Without the feeling of being threatened, which is a way voting can be used for scum-hunting (basically the whole point of RVS), pressuring will be harder. So hopefully NoHItter gets my message when I put my HoS on him.

Reason being that he has always felt odd in my gut to me, used to think it was an aux feeling, but now it seems like he's scum.
He seemed to be the first to really jump on Mashley and he was also suspicious of animask, and I think the only reason why he tried to defend his unvoting and stopped pushing on animask is because he realized they were lost tangents and further pushing animask would be suspicious. WIFOM I know, but I think it's probable.
He also seemed to be trying really hard to justify his questionnaire during day 1 (explaining it multiple times), which the questionnaire by itself wasn't suspicious to me, the over-defense (IMO) of it seems like a scum tell.
He seems to be against WIFOM even though it's an important part of the game. Without WIFOM, there's less to go off of.

I just went through the whole thread to dig up dirt on NoHItter, found more than I expected, no wonder I had that gut feeling for him.

Incidentally rust, what are those "dirt" you mentioned?

Another clarification then about my vote on Mashley. (Hopefully final)
1) Yes I suspected him merely because of my gut in the first place, but...
2) What animask said "He is trying to fit in too much", convinced me that Mashley was suspicious. It also seemed to explain why my gut was pinging on Mashley. It was also the reason why Ph0x switched his vote.
3) After I voted Mashley, I realized what I did was wrong.

NoHItter wrote:

Ahh crap. I forgot that since the votes are permanent, claiming when you are about to get lynched is useless.
Next day I suggest we really go through with a pseudo-voting system before actually voting to give leeway for any changes in suspicions

NoHItter wrote:

Incidentally rust, what are those "dirt" you mentioned?

Basically all of what I mentioned about you in my previous post. Stuff you did or said that I found incriminating.

NoHItter wrote:

Ahh crap. I forgot that since the votes are permanent, claiming when you are about to get lynched is useless.
Next day I suggest we really go through with a pseudo-voting system before actually voting to give leeway for any changes in suspicions

When I read this post in context (both when it was posted and through my re-read), it seemed more like you were talking about claiming when one's about to get lynched. The post didn't seem to have to do with your vote at all.

Hi guys, family event today (Wooo.....) Didn't get much sleep last night but I'll try to post when I can.

(Apologies)

-DxS

Mod: may you please update the OP to show the starts of the days, I remember this being in other games and it's useful for reference.

I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on the whole rust and NoHItter possibly being mafia.

and it's fine if you all wish to question my opinion on it as well~

rust45 wrote:

Mod: may you please update the OP to show the starts of the days, I remember this being in other games and it's useful for reference.

If I feel less lazy after I get up tomorrow, or if I still feel this lazy but someone has posted the links to D1 and D2 start.

Heading off to sleep.

I still haven't got any posts about suspicion against rust45

and animask, you didn't post anything about rust45 on your last suspicion list (or similar to) for some reason.

bmin11 wrote:

I still haven't got any posts about suspicion against rust45

and animask, you didn't post anything about rust45 on your last suspicion list (or similar to) for some reason.

I knew I was forgetting something...

rust45, all I can see is that you're being slightly informative, but you're not really accusing anyone of doing anything.
Not accusing people could be a way of having yourself from sus(s) instead of lurking.

Found this.

If I was mafia, I wouldn't even kill him, as when I'm mafia, I go for those who did participate as much as others, that way I get get someone who was slowing down the game, and possibly an aux role who was trying to go noticed. Ph0x did not meet my conditions for a night 1 kill.

Opposite of what the mafia actually did. (The "possibly an aux role" part could mean me. You were thinking of NK Ph0X or me.) Then again,you must have thought about what would happen NK the person slowing down the game. The good townie player would be able to find you out (if you were mafia). Why take out the bad player if you were mafia? That seems more like what a townie would think.

animask wrote:

Why take out the bad player if you were mafia? That seems more like what a townie would think.

There's more to mafia than winning IMO. As a townie there's not really anything you can do to make it fun (espcially in small games like this), but as a mafia, killing good players will make it less interesting. I dunno though, I haven't actually been mafia in a game so I don't know if doing this is really that great of an idea.

rust45 wrote:

animask wrote:

Why take out the bad player if you were mafia? That seems more like what a townie would think.

There's more to mafia than winning IMO. As a townie there's not really anything you can do to make it fun (espcially in small games like this), but as a mafia, killing good players will make it less interesting. I dunno though, I haven't actually been mafia in a game so I don't know if doing this is really that great of an idea.

But if you don't play to win, its not really as fun. I could probably make the game fun on the townie side ( I think I have. ) Also, even
if you're not playing on the mafia side, it helps to think that you are. Personally, I like small games (around 10 or less) but I don't have much
experience in mafia, so I'm not sure what bigger groups would be like. There's probably less at stake in bigger games, because if one person
is eliminated, it doesn't usually make a huge difference as it would here.

rust45 wrote:

I dunno though, I haven't actually been mafia in a game so I don't know if doing this is really that great of an idea.

If you really are town I'm voting NoHItter then...cause he doesn't seem to be anymore willing than you to roleclaim. x:

That said...probably have an idea on who will be lynched depending on the next day.

FWIW, It's useless to roleclaim.
animask claimed Doctor.
Mashley was Cop.

All other possible roles now are either Scum or Vanilla Townies.
And speaking of which, I am a Vanilla Townie.

NoHItter wrote:

FWIW, It's useless to roleclaim.
animask claimed Doctor.
Mashley was Cop.

All other possible roles now are either Scum or Vanilla Townies.
And speaking of which, I am a Vanilla Townie.

Or the Roleblocker~

Since you forgot to mention, but then again, scum is scum.

I absolutely have no idea who scum is right now.
I now have a tied feeling between 0_o and rust which shouldn't be as there are only two mafia.
I won't be around in five hours, so I'm going to vote now.

Among the three, I think rust is most likely scum.
My reason is because he bandwagonned on me with his HoS. (and my gut, but the second reason isn't accepted, isn't it)
IMO, rust is also trying to fit in with who is currently suspicious. His current attitude seems like osmeone trying to blend in/ go with the flow.

0_o is next. I can't say much about him other than my gut and his playstyle is somewhat different from the previous game I hosted.

Vote: rust45

If we mislynch today, it will be Ly-Lo tomorrow if the Mafia successfully kill. That would leave it to 3 town : 2 mafia.
At that point, I would suggest that town not vote anyone yet. Wait until there is a solid and general consensus. If by any chance, any one town submits a vote on a fellow townie, the mafia will just bandwagon to win.

I have a feeling mafia will kill whoever has been most supportive and active (unless they kill doctor)

The reasoning on rust may be very vague but right now considering with all of the time left (plus I have work in about an hour)

I have no choice to vote on rust.

his..."odd" choice of wording leads me to heavily question his stance in the game and his posts urk me anyways. (unlike animask and Player Q or even NoHItter who even spent some amount of time with their opinions and posts.)

It was nice knowing you in this game...

Vote:rust45

@NoHitTer thanks for doing the math.

I think I'll be able to HoS rust45 for now.

I'll be waiting for other votes/HoS's first.

@ NoHItter if you're still around before the deadline who was your third? I only saw faceman and rust...

Day 2 sure was interesting now.

Also, iirc bmin's going to korea soon so he might be afk for a day or something.

Go time.

vote NoHItter

If he turns up town I'm going with DxS + rust for mafia.

0_o wrote:

If he turns up town I'm going with DxS + rust for mafia.

DxS voted rust45 by the way


*sigh* I guess there are really anything to be analytical... my gut is saying rust45, but if we are voting rust45 for inactivity, Q and 0_o should also be on the list really... My reason why I'm getting the hunch of a scum is that he didn't cease down to attack NoHItter even me and NoHItter posted an evidence that it was NoHItter's mistake (duration between a vote and the post was 10~20min only if I remember). So....



HoS on rust45. If nothing turns my attention or convincing, this should be my vote

Wait until there is a solid and general consensus. If by any chance, any one town submits a vote on a fellow townie, the mafia will just bandwagon to win.

And wow, never thought of that. This is really dangerous indeed... we should come up with some opinion list or questionnaire so we can have everyone to post and not waste times like Day 2


And DxS, why am I getting the feeling of a bandwagon from you? I'm asking this leaving the friendship behind us at the moment (this is a game this is a game this is a game)

bmin11 wrote:

DxS voted rust45 by the way

Hmm, well DxS COULD be simply deepening his cover, but I'll admit that I forgot to take that into consideration so I'll revise that statement:
If NoHItter turns town then rust45 is most likely mafia. Not sure who his partner would be, but I'm thinking either DxS or Q.
Though it looks like rust45 is kicking the bucket anyway so that scenario is likely moot.

If rust turns town, I am almost certain DxS and No are mafia
If rust turns mafia, I have no freaking idea what to think. I'd probably have to do another readthrough..

Well, just like yesterday, there basically two people on the chopping block, however, it seems more likely that one is mafia this time.
With that said Vote: NoHitter as I certainly want to survive and not have the town on Ly-lo tomorrow. I've already explained my reasoning and I just want to say that if I do get lynched, don't automatically assume NoHitter is mafia, as he said, one mis vote and mafia will bandwagon.

Oh yeah, I suppose I should say I'm townie, just as NoHitter claimed.

bmin11 wrote:

Wait until there is a solid and general consensus. If by any chance, any one town submits a vote on a fellow townie, the mafia will just bandwagon to win.

And wow, never thought of that. This is really dangerous indeed... we should come up with some opinion list or questionnaire so we can have everyone to post and not waste times like Day 2


And DxS, why am I getting the feeling of a bandwagon from you? I'm asking this leaving the friendship behind us at the moment (this is a game this is a game this is a game)

Yikes bmin, way to get edgy on me all of a sudden eh?

Read my post carefully from earlier and note the odd wording of "rust's sentences and phrases" I missed a bit the past couple of days but hey. I decided to go for rust because I reread the day 2 portion, carefully examined everyone's posts and ideas but rust stood out to me the most as being "scummish" so heh.

As I claimed earlier, I'll vote rust45, but I notice that rust45 came with a valid point

rust45 wrote:

Well, just like yesterday, there basically two people on the chopping block

This is giving me a weird feeling.... I might have to think about it deeper about this.....


Vote: rust45 (time is running out and I believe rust45's last post is his last claim he wants to take)

bmin11 wrote:

As I claimed earlier, I'll vote rust45, but I notice that rust45 came with a valid point

rust45 wrote:

Well, just like yesterday, there basically two people on the chopping block

This is giving me a weird feeling.... I might have to think about it deeper

Err I'm pretty sure this just means that we are either lynching either No or rust today.

0_o wrote:

Err I'm pretty sure this just means that we are either lynching either No or rust today.

Oh right "Two people on the chopping board". I read it the other way >_>;;