Look at the attachment in this post for image; I'm too lazy to upppy atm.

As I said earlier, face should be nearly twice as high as it is wide; my drawing is at about a 1.75:1 ratio because the 2:1 looked silly to me (2:1 may look best, it may not. I'm not sure). The chin needs more pointing; it's too rounded right now and we're shooting for an anime-esque look, as oppose to a chubby kid look (see the blue outlines at the bottom. On the left is the original (current) shape, on the right is a more approximate shape (I think it might be too narrow down the face though).

Also, something I didn't notice earlier but picked up on doing the diagram; your eyes are slightly too high up. They should be in the dead center of the face (the horizontal red line). The hairline needs to come down a tiny bit, and the widest point of the head should be about 1/4 to 1/3 from the top.

awp wrote:

The chin needs more pointing; it's too rounded right now and we're shooting for an anime-esque look, as oppose to a chubby kid look (see the blue outlines at the bottom. On the left is the original (current) shape, on the right is a more approximate shape (I think it might be too narrow down the face though).

That's pretty much what the original chin looked like, and people complained about how it didn't look like Chibi-Pippi/Sarumaru's Pippi, so I'm not too sure about making it so pointy. I'll try to get rid of the chubby look, though.

awp wrote:

I hope you know how to fix the bangs because I'm a tad clueless

I thought I already fixed them. D:

As for the rest, I'll see what I can do.

Yeah the chin I've drawn is too pointy; might want to take the bottom third of that face and vertically squish it by about 30% (just a guess)

The model you've posted is non-mesh-smoothed, right? It'd be good, I think, to eventually get away from using meshsmooth if it's going to give problems when shading and the like.

I brightened up the eyes a bit on awps request-

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Here's the latest version of the head. New shape, new eyes and new hair. I'm still working on the hair, the shading and her weird expression.

Eyes are still too not-bright-green and cheekbones are still too saggy, but I'm starting to like it.

Loofah: could you try using #00FF00 or something close to that as a base colour?

Hey. I've actually got another friend who's also interested in trying for Pippi's voice. Here's a second set with her attempts.

Download: pippiset2.zip

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Cheeks look lie one of an old hag.
but there is improvement.

Hi there, I'm one of the ones that Nuudle has posted as far as voices go (the one he just posted a day or two ago/the one that sounds like 'Peach'). I'd really like some feedback so I can be of more assistance. If anyone wants to help me via talk or sending .zips of my test, it would be greatly appreciated! Please let me know

I'd say this is definitely something to work with. I'll nit pick in just a second, but firstly, overall:

are you tightening your vocal chords to make your voice a higher pitch? The recordings sound just a tiiiiny bit too high for my liking (I hope this isn't discouraging). I'm not saying it's bad or wrong or anything, but I'm wondering what it would sound like if you loosened your vocal chords just a smidgen. You sound very close to what I imagine Pippi sounding like during the "Are you ready?" bit, but since we're "very close" I'm hoping we can eventually reach "dead on".

On the other hand, I could be wrong, and maybe they need to be tightened just a tiny bit. This is like locating the offset for a beatmap - except I have no experience =(

Nit PIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK

"Are you ready?"

Really, the only thing I don't like about this is the way "Go!" sounds; the rest is pretty much perfect. I think the Go! hangs a bit too much, and sounds a bit like "Goo!" (as someone would say when impersonating an infant a la ga-ga-goo-goo) rather than "Go!"

"Applause"

I don't really think I can nit pick this one. After listening to it x number of times all I can say is it would start to grate on one's nerves after a lengthy play session, but that can be avoided by having multiple "applause" recordings. Moving on.

"Combo break"

Given the length and level of despair in the voice this sounds more like a "You're about to fail" rather than a simple combo-break. I'm thinking more along the lines of "Woops!" or "Ack!" for combo break - however, I think I'm just splitting hairs. That's not to say it couldn't be used for sectionfail or something like that.

Listening through them again, the only other comment that comes to mind is that, while they sound well recorded, they sound a bit 128kbps-y. And lo and behold, bitrate: 128kbps ={

I think it's quite good, though.



Also, wait, there was another voice posting? I think I missed that.

There is another one by Nuudles before he posted mine (:. I'm going to try out new things, especially because I'm currently studying the EB Divas right now, and hopefully that'll help a little bit. I'll get back to you with new samples today (:. I'm very committed to this now (You can ask Nuudles, I'm constantly asking him to help me improve) and I'd like to do as well as I can, even if I don't get the spot. Thanks for your critique, it will help me progress (:.

Edit: Alright, I've put together some other samples with a few vocal changes here and there (the slight vocal relaxation like you said, Awp, at least I hope so hehe). I also tried out some of the EB Divas breaks and such, so those are some of the weird noises. Just let me know if any work, or if you like the sound in one more so than the other! I'm so sorry to keep pestering you guys about this. If you want me to stop, please let me know!

And as far as the 128kbps sound recording, if you know another sound device I can get (I don't have a very well off mic at hand here, since I'm in college dorms right now haha) for recording via the computer, could you tell me please? Thanks!

awp is inside this post and he says: Check out this post for the download - we might also wish to move the VA discussions there, too. This thread is for criticizing Lolginer endlessly discussion on model development exclusively I suppose?

awp wrote:

Listening through them again, the only other comment that comes to mind is that, while they sound well recorded, they sound a bit 128kbps-y. And lo and behold, bitrate: 128kbps ={

I think it's quite good, though.

Also, wait, there was another voice posting? I think I missed that.

I tried to clean up the sounds from their originals with Audacity. The original recordings were with a webcam mic, so there was a lot of noise to remove. That may account for some of the deficiencies in recording.

Hiryuu wrote:

And as far as the 128kbps sound recording, if you know another sound device I can get (I don't have a very well off mic at hand here, since I'm in college dorms right now haha) for recording via the computer, could you tell me please? Thanks!

If you know anyone that has Rock Band/Guitar Hero: World Tour, the microphone that comes with those is just a rebranded Logitech microphone, so those should work in your computer and will probably be better than the one built into your webcam. As far as software, I'd recommend Audacity: http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

All I have is a regular Rock Band microphone, and even that is limited to use (it's at home and others use it, so it would be hard to obtain for more than a weekend). I can get Audacity though, and maybe that would help.

You did a pretty damn good job with that noise cleanup, nuudles. Just sayin'.

To start, I do like the tone in pippimoreenergy. I'm trying to match up the character in my head while listening to the samples, and I find it to be easiest here. I haven't got the energy to nitpick things right now - that, or I don't feel I have any right or reason TO nitpick, because the quality of the voice acting sounds good to me. I don't wanna harp on this too much without getting other people's opinions. We need some more comments from a larger spread of people right now, methinks.

I like it, though.

You don't understand how much your words mean, Awp! Thank you so much, and I hope that I can provide the same energy in that clip for others. Hopefully we'll get more feedback soon then (:. Thanks for your hard work and your help, really Awp!

Why dont we ask Rina-Chan?

She voiced the female voices in brawl taunts if you dont know and she seems perfect!

Link:http://suzumiya-haruhi.net/

sorry about my laziness in finding a new voice actress from my end. I havent found much luck in a new pippi voice so if any of yours works, by all means.

I'm still looking, and will update if nothings finalized yet.

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Oooh catfight

Gonna have to have some kind of formal auditions perhaps.

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5ku112 wrote:

Well sorry that you didnt get the part Hiryuu even though nobody really paid attention

Watch how you speak 5ku112. You are >-< this close to being permanently banned. I won't stand for osu! players saying crap like this. Learn to respect people's feelings before you post again.

If Rina-chan is interested in helping out, it would be best for her to post here directly. I'm not sure how we will decide who's voice we will actually use, but Rina obviously has the most experience so it would be nice to hear a sample. This deserves a new thread (or dig up one of the old ones that i *know* exists) so hopefully someone will go about doing this.

No more off-topic posts in this thread please.

One:

Hiryuu wrote:

awp is inside this post and he says: Check out this post for the download - we might also wish to move the VA discussions there, too. This thread is for criticizing Lolginer endlessly discussion on model development exclusively I suppose?

THIS THREAD EXISTS ALREADY and you'd know if you paid more attention

Two: Don't speak for others or state your opinion as if it is fact

Three: Hiryuu, it is nobody's place to say you wouldn't make the cut (not even yours if you ask me) - let the evidence speak for itself.

This issue took a nasty turn rather quickly and I'm a bit disappointed by it. I didn't think I needed to keep everyone on a leash.

And where are Lolginer and Loofah =(

Who's lolginer?

anyway, this is about as close to that colour as I could make the eye without making it look completely wierd.

awp wrote:

And where are Lolginer and Loofah =(

I'm right here, but I don't have much to say about the VA samples (other than a "We did it" at the end of the song being a bad idea IMO), and I can't model right now (that HDD is unplugged), so I'm just lurking.

Hiryuu wrote:

Naw, I drop out, it's all good okay? I was really happy about working with you guys and was super enthusiastic, but then I just felt like it didn't matter anymore. Either way, Rina-chan can have it. I wouldn't make the cut anyway, I'm not experienced. Thanks again though

I say, ignore the competition (and put 5ku112 on your ignore list) and keep trying, unless the majority say otherwise. No one worth mentioning has said anything bad about you or your VA samples.

I've finally gotten my hands on an HDD cabinet. Expect a new update on the head today/tomorrow.

I've finished the hair, added a pair of crappy-looking eyebrows, replaced the eye texture, improved the shading and flattened the cheekbones. Let the ranting begin!
Also, personal opinion: The face is too long.



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the end of the hair look kinda too arrow heads can you make it look less sharp

The face os definately too long.

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Seems to be getting closer to the mark. A quick remark: your eyes are still too high-up. They should be dead-center of the face.

Also, eyes could use some eyelashes, but that shouldn't be too difficult to model.

What might be tough is the fact that the face still doesn't look to have the right depth to it. There's no bridge and the forehead is level with the rest of the face.

I'll make a recommendation for the hair but I don't know how practical it will be in-play due to poly limitations and the like. Right now each bang looks to be a single tube shape - while that's probably fine for the pink bangs, it might look more like hair if the black parts are composed of several dozen more-triangular-shaped pieces

I've pushed the forehead forward, shortened the head and centered the eyes a bit. I haven't added the eyelids yet, but I'll do this now, anyway. Who here would rather see this cel-shaded in-game? Ignore the bad shading/weird blue stuff.

Unless there's a way you can smooth the face a little more, I'd say the cel-shaded look would be much better.

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awp wrote:

I wanna take a closer look at the muscle definition and overall structure of the skull if I can. Are you able to save the head as a .blend file? If not, I might be able to read a .3ds (import recognizes them, but I'm not sure which versions are supported). I've been doing a bit of cranial modeling lately and I think it'd be easier for me to attack this thing if I could see it from whatever angle and magnification I need.

Fine, but it's full of mixed tris/quads, and I haven't removed any unnecessary geometry from the hair yet.

I've always found heads, or more specifically faces to be the hardest part of a character to model. In fact, i've got a million models floating around with no heads because i didn't feel like making them. lol.

what I've found helps for making them look pretty, is using edge loops.

granted the head below needs some major work, the face does look pretty doesn't it?


(note the back of the head looks like crap and the ears are missing cause those areas were to be covered by the character's hair)

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NCDyson wrote:

what I've found helps for making them look pretty, is using edge loops.

granted the head below needs some major work, the face does look pretty doesn't it?

brb, fixing nose/mouth
Anyway, I notice you've done a lot more to the depth, like pushing the eye sockets pretty far back into the head. I think I'll use that second pic as reference to get rid of the flatness. :/

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She should have a flag, IMO

Is it just me, or do the pink bangs almost form the shape of a bat (with a long tail)???

I can see the flag being a good idea on occasion, though.

No offense to Loginer, but the head NCDyson has in his avatar looks a lot more on-model (aside from the wrong eye color):



Maybe we could use that for the head on Loginer's body model? Though if there's been more work done on the head since the last preview, Loginer should probably show that before any judgements are made.

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You're going to add lips, right?

Kind of necessary since the mouth is going to be modeled.

Lol..... the first one of luigihann's pictures is halarious! MAKE IT THE MASCOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If this is still in the works i have some crit. I'll point out first that I've never modeled a head or face before so I have no idea how realistic these suggestions are. . . =z

So on the left theres face models from a game called Mabinogi. Anime styled 3d MMo blahbla,
middle is what was posted above, and the right are my photoshoptastic mixes. For the remix my suggestions were:

1- Give her a forehead. (pull eyes down)
2- Reduce eye-white on top/bottom. she looks shocked or surprised?
-also added eyelash line
3-Pull bangs in a bit? It would depend on whether or not her forehead got pronounced. Hairline might need to be shifted too tho =\ sounds tedious. . .
4- might just be my style but id pull the nose and mouth down very slightly.

hope that helps somehow

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I do like what fufe did there. I believe especially the change of the eyes helped to make her look more realistic and adorable ;P

Larto wrote:

I believe especially the change of the eyes helped to make her look more realistic and adorable ;P

I don't really see a change; lolginer just hasn't yet put proper eyebrows/eyelashes on the new head model yet.

awp wrote:

Larto wrote:

I believe especially the change of the eyes helped to make her look more realistic and adorable ;P

I don't really see a change; lolginer just hasn't yet put proper eyebrows/eyelashes on the new head model yet.

I mean the eyes are smaller now. It looks lots better. Pippi looks kinda frightening in Loginer's last model. The eyes are giant there.

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I've already added a pair of eyebrows, but yeah, I should probably shrink/center the eyes a bit. A mix between the current face and the shopped version next to it would probably look a lot better.
Also, I still fail at anatomy.

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Behonkiss wrote:

I might try and draw a better-looking one later:

You better >:

Hi folks!

Well, I've been away from all the osu stuff recently mainly because I have been busy with a LOT of crap. My own projects, making preparations to leave the country, etc, etc.

Anyway! I noticed that in osu the the chibi Pippi I drew is being used for the 30+ combo count. Well, I decided to make a specific image for the combo thingy: This image should be ready to use straight away.

Below her shoulders is corrupted. Did you draw her naked or something?

Sarumaru wrote:

Hi folks!

Well, I've been away from all the osu stuff recently mainly because I have been busy with a LOT of crap. My own projects, making preparations to leave the country, etc, etc.

Anyway! I noticed that in osu the the chibi Pippi I drew is being used for the 30+ combo count. Well, I decided to make a specific image for the combo thingy: This image should be ready to use straight away.

OH THANK GOD YOU'RE BACK

Do you think you could make a drawing of Pippi's face from the front (I'm after something like this, sans the lines)? That way, we could finally end this move-this-and-resize-that crap and maybe even get Pippi ready for osu! this month.

Sure. Here ya go,

Sarumaru wrote:

Sure. Here ya go,

<3

also the comboburst dimensions seem a bit strange? as neo@lex said, a bit more body would work well.

Sarumaru wrote:

Sure. Here ya go,

You're awesome.

Here's a quick progress shot, just to prove I'm actually doing something. I'll try to finish the hair as soon as I can tomorrow, and then sort out issues like depth and shading on the face.

Why the flip?

btw Sarumaru those drawings are amazing

Echo wrote:

Why the flip?

The bangs are flipped the wrong way on that drawing.

peppy wrote:

Sarumaru wrote:

Sure. Here ya go,

<3

also the comboburst dimensions seem a bit strange? as neo@lex said, a bit more body would work well.

What neo@lex was pointing out was when I originally posted the png, it was corrupted and was not showing anything from the waist down. The reason this image is from shoulders up only, or rather, a bust shot is because in OTO/EBA the are also bust shots.

Loginer, her center bang can really face either direction depending on which way she is facing, many animes for example do this. Also, ever thought of rendering her cel-shaded instead? Her face is all grabbled with textures, but I am sure you are long from finished

Also, here's a colored version of the chibi Pippi that is currently being used for the comboburst. :3

yay Sarumaru is back and with orgasmic tramp drawings <3

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Sarumaru wrote:

What neo@lex was pointing out was when I originally posted the png, it was corrupted and was not showing anything from the waist down. The reason this image is from shoulders up only, or rather, a bust shot is because in OTO/EBA the are also bust shots.

Okay sure, but comboburst images hould be limited to around 388x767 (roughly 1:2 aspect ratio) . Your image is 800x800 which is just far too big (and will take up most of the screen) for osu!.

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i would like to see a 3d dancing CHIBI pippi. y make here ...not chibi? it looks cuter.

Probably doable. I imagine the non-chibi will be the standard, but that doesn't mean it's an absolute restriction.

Sorry, I forgot to post a new picture. I've been working a lot on the head this weekend, though (sort of).
Ignore the shading problem between the nose and the mouth, I'm too lazy to fix that right now. Things left to finish include parts of the hair, the nose (specifically, the bridge) and a few other details improving the overall depth of the face.



The hair looks kind of silly from the side, though. I'm thinking about going with the simple look of the combo burst image and just have two or three stripes of black hair followed by flat, "normal" hair instead of having stripes all the way to the back.

I really like Pippi now :3 Without that mouth-nose shading problem you mentioned this would be pretty awesome.

*stars the model*

EDIT: Oh, that makes the topic actually starred? *removes* <_<

Aye, the nose needs a bit of work. I think the tip's too low.

The nose and mouth need some touch-ups, and maybe the cheeks and chin too. But the top half of the head looks pretty much perfect aside from maybe some detail on the black hair, and thanks to Sarumaru and Loginer 3d Pippi's looking better than ever. <3

You also need to make her eyebrows float in front of her face & hair, like on the pic below.

I've been pretty busy lately, so there hasn't been any progress with the head. However, I have messed around a bit with some of the materials on the body, and Pippi's clothes no longer look like they're made of clay as much as they did before. :D

adamskii_uk wrote:

You also need to make her eyebrows float in front of her face & hair, like on the pic below. :) :lol:

Sorry, but that probably wouldn't look right in 3D.

Here's a new render, with the big shading problems fixed and the nose/hair finished. I know, I know, *insert part of the face here* is too far to the left and totally ruins everything, but that can be fixed later. So could we please say this is head is good enough for the moment and move on with the project?

Edit: Lowered the hairline, raised the nose slightly.

it's good enough for the moment
move on with the project

AND THE VOTING IS OVER, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN
While modeling this new face, however, I realized how much MeshSmooth sucks, so I'm going to try smoothing the body mesh out myself. Just a second...
Edit:
The head looks a bit flat from this specific angle due to the shape of the hair, but it'll look fine in a front perspective. Side view:

i see. she has an E.T. posture but i guess that can be fixed later. now im really anticipating this new feature.

That could end up being tricky to fix later, so I fixed it now (sort of). I also fixed a few other issues such as the hole you can see in the side view render.

Hmm, I can't help but feel that the arms and legs should be slightly thinner than it is, and shoulders should be less broad.
The torso somehow looks a bit out-stretched to me as well.
Maybe you can try using the models from "MikuMikuDance" as reference to proportions.

Other than that, Nice job!

Might be just me, but I thiiink her neck's a bit too short.
Looking awesome so far, though O: Can't wait for this feature to come out

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Did the neck vanish? No, it didn't, but something looks very inhuman about it. The head looks too pointy? Remember, the thickest part of the head is like 25% of the way down from the top. And it's pretty even most of the way down. And if that's the case with the model there, something else has gone awry.

Face feels a bit flat on the front/forehead

Loginer wrote:

If anyone's wondering why I'm still doing these little tweaks, it's because skinning Pippi is harder than I thought, if only because CAT is forcing me to use Skin instead of Physique. D:
Anyway, as soon as I wrap my head around this modifier, I'll post a few new pics and attempt to create a neat wallpaper. If you really want to see Pippi fight a refrigerator while kicking a hamster with her heels or something equally retarded, post your request here.

Are you using the envelopes? I never got the hang of those things, so i usually just manually set the weights. It's not as hard as it sounds. lol. I've also never used CAT though. Good luck!

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JarJarJacob wrote:

Loginer wrote:

If you really want to see Pippi fight a refrigerator while kicking a hamster with her heels or something equally retarded, post your request here.

I'd like to see a hamster fight Pippi while she tries to refrigerate her heels.

Do it.

I request Rule 34.

neo@lex wrote:

I request Rule 34.

Isn't there another rule saying you can't request that? I thought rule 35 was that if you can't find it you have to make your own

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I'll get started on both requests as soon as 3ds stops being gay. I've already skinned one half of the model once, but I couldn't figure out how to mirror everything to the other half (there is a function called Mirror Mode, but it didn't feel like working). After editing the head a bit, I also managed to undo everything I had done with the Skin modifier somehow, so I'll have to start all over again. Requesting a better program to skin this thing in.

Dunno if you know you moved some verts around or what when you changed stuff, but so long as the vertex order doesn't change, saving your weights out to a file (under the advanced section of the skin modifier) can help save some time if things get broken, you can just load them back up.

The Mirror mode used to not work for me, but then one day it just randomly started working. I think there's some stuff or something you have to play with.

Sorry if you knew all that already, I only have experience with 3ds Max, so I can't really say if there are easier programs for skinning.

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ohhhh...did i derail everyone's train of thought? as i have sed before, this is an issue and it will have to be delt with. how did luigihan's ChiBA dancers work?