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Isshiki Kaname
there is literally map background depicting groping, that is far worse than that Suisei bikini art I sent in tadpole's thread.
searched for such backgrounds to prove my point on my silence being wrongfully given
JustABeginner
Poor Katou... :C.
Aiseca
Can we just make osu! A Christian game like Minecraft?
So, all of these double standards and circlejerking at least be lessen.
Dialect
community/forums/topics/38533

old news but map is considered unrankable due to nsfw bg + bad song
Nuuskamuikkunen

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

Imagine having bunches of eroge songs ranked and still veto a map for having inappropriate lyrics.

kinda double standard for me
It seems like as long the song has safe lyrics, it doesn't matter if it comes from the 177013 anime adaptation even.
Dialect

eblf2013 wrote:

It seems like as long the song has safe lyrics, it doesn't matter if it comes from the 177013 anime adaptation even.
wait 177013 has an anime adaptation?
Hydreigon

Li Syaoran wrote:

wait 177013 has an anime adaptation?
not yet... though i dont think any hentai company would want to make an anime adaptation of it
Nuuskamuikkunen

Li Syaoran wrote:

eblf2013 wrote:

It seems like as long the song has safe lyrics, it doesn't matter if it comes from the 177013 anime adaptation even.
wait 177013 has an anime adaptation?
I said it as a hypothetical example.
Isshiki Kaname
some r/animemes degenerates drew fake anime frames from 265918 tho
ColdTooth

Li Syaoran wrote:

beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249

song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
that map got ranked and i still think it's inappropriate, and im the one that mapped surprise buttsecks and ranked it in 2014
Ashton
Surprise buttseks 😳
Dialect

ColdTooth wrote:

Li Syaoran wrote:

beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249

song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
that map got ranked and i still think it's inappropriate, and im the one that mapped surprise buttsecks and ranked it in 2014

i mean ig it is considering 99% is about sex
ColdTooth

Li Syaoran wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

Li Syaoran wrote:

beatmapsets/1114770/discussion/-/generalAll#/1572249

song is too inappropriate for osu!. mapper argues that other maps have inappropriate songs too
that map got ranked and i still think it's inappropriate, and im the one that mapped surprise buttsecks and ranked it in 2014

i mean ig it is considering 99% is about sex
i'll be honest there was a huge internal discussion before it got ranked, i thought it wouldn't and i would've been okay with that lol

now if only i could get a map ranked this year...
Topic Starter
abraker
First one is debatable. Maps being scrutinized for nsfw lyrics given similarly nsfw maps were ranked before just doesn't feel right, so it might have some worth. Second one from 2010 is not close to drama imo
Ashton
beatmapsets/1179039/discussion/-/generalAll#/1754671

Controversy over Diff name “exane”
Topic Starter
abraker
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Dialect
imagine bitching over a diff name
Aiseca
It's 2020. People needs to find something to work with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Dialect

Aiseca wrote:

It's 2020. People needs to find something to work with ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
waiting for them to criticize a mapper for having the preview point set wrongly
Hydreigon
Exane sounds like some sort of rip-off Mitsubishi sedan
Dialect
mama mia!!!
JustABeginner
Exane sounds more like hexane [C6H14], one of the names in a group of simple hydrocarbons called alkane.
Topic Starter
abraker
Map vetoed due to hitsounds using mostly snares/kicks improperly representing the music. Mapper claims map uses variety of hitsounds to distinguish drums.
beatmapsets/940746/discussion/-/generalAll#/1758163
Zelzatter Zero
First underhitsound, now this...

Wonder what will be next.
Ashton
People literally writing essays..
Zelzatter Zero

Ashton wrote:

People literally writing essays..
I literally don't even know how human have ability to read this whole stuff...
q9za

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

Ashton wrote:

People literally writing essays..
I literally don't even know how human have ability to read this whole stuff...
Absolute drainage of the human brain.

Combine the time spent writing and proofreading the essays with the reading too.

Willpower.
Ashton
Veto lifted, mapper no longer going for ranked.

Lol. Imagine going through all of that to come to that conclusion.
ColdTooth
Ephemeral involved means real shit.
ColdTooth
Also I could go for some fucking garlic right about now.
Topic Starter
abraker
I wouldnt be surprised. Give us simpler times
Zelzatter Zero
An (potential) ongoing drama:

community/forums/topics/1122321 - OP claims that people replying to their comments are toxic and cannot take feedbacks. Later reveal that they was toxic to the mapper as well.
Dialect
^

yeah op is pretty toxic. i showed him my map at one point, and he proceeded to bash the heck out of it. if criticism is needed, then i'll take those into account. but his mods provided nothing imo

we need to wait until the map gets ranked tho
q9za
classic osu mappers.
Qiyana
lemme just say i was nowhere near toxic and the other comments werent from me. ive debunked it all.
update ~ thread taken down, were over this.
Dialect
comments/1214732

it's a loved map, but map gets unloved due to nsfw lyrics and nsfw sliders, despite other loved maps having the same thing in it.
Zelzatter Zero
soon they will unloved that History Maker set

I'm tired.
ColdTooth
If that's the case, will they also try to unrank decade-old mapsets that have nsfw lyrics? Hell, even my map in 2014, I warned people in the description, and that almost every 18+ song gets that warning because it's kind of required.

Why now do they do this? Kind of dumb if you ask me.
Serraionga
"communication issues"

this is the equivalent of me missing a meeting at my job and saying i had to walk my fish as an excuse
Aiseca
When will rank section lose its "untouchable" state when it comes to this thing?

Targeting loved section for something that should have been more proactively enforced in official game content a.k.a. Ranked maps is a very wierd move of all the reason out of the blue.

And what makes it more interesting is that, the rule is non-applicable to old maps with same problem. WTF?

If so, them it doesn't completely accomplish what the rule had to do, it just scratching the surface, leaving the side unfinished.
Topic Starter
abraker
Added

This is how it should go down for nsfw maps that are already ranked/loved: https://github.com/ppy/osu-web/issues/5902
Dialect
hopefully these ones weren't added

beatmapsets/950289/discussion/-/generalAll#/985029

old drama, but map gets vetoed due to "score inflation" between diffs that are similar in style, but not by the same mapper.

beatmapsets/942714/discussion/-/generalAll#/1051305

same thing as above, and bn argues that this doesn't get vetoed, but [other map] does (dunno if this could be considered drama, but it's still somewhat valid
ColdTooth
Today I learned a ranked mapset has 50 ranked difficulties.

What the fuck.
Topic Starter
abraker
both added
Zelzatter Zero

ColdTooth wrote:

Today I learned a ranked mapset has 50 ranked difficulties.

What the fuck.
You're pretty late to know that bro
ColdTooth

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

Today I learned a ranked mapset has 50 ranked difficulties.

What the fuck.
You're pretty late to know that bro
Thank you for telling me I was late to something when I have, infact, learned of its existence.
Isshiki Kaname

Li Syaoran wrote:

beatmapsets/950289/discussion/-/generalAll#/985029

old drama, but map gets vetoed due to "score inflation" between diffs that are similar in style, but not by the same mapper.
GPR
beatmapsets/1227846/discussion/-/generalAll#/1779185

Complain about umbrella background doesn't fit with the song.

Check the comment section too beatmapsets/1227846#osu/2592760
Topic Starter
abraker
Not much drama. People complaining about bg have no ground to complain on and is next level "I want things my way" type of deal. RC doesnt even say BG must fit the song in guidelines

Dialect
^

which is why i never understood things like gold dust or momoiro typhoon. both maps had good bgs, and yes, gold dust's old bg was questionable, but i still think it was good. with momoiro typhoon, this bg was FROM the anime, and yes, the anime includes a shitton of fanservice, so it's not like it's that kid firendly
Lapizote
based on what I've heard and what I've seen in various osu forums, I'm getting the feeling that the mapping community/experience is one cancer dumpsterfire (like how tokaku has described it).

is my gut feeling correct, or I'm just assuming based on a few instances of mapping drama?
z0z

axl2468 wrote:

based on what I've heard and what I've seen in various osu forums, I'm getting the feeling that the mapping community/experience is one cancer dumpsterfire (like how tokaku has described it).

is my gut feeling correct, or I'm just assuming based on a few instances of mapping drama?
i'm pretty sure you're not going to be involved in a drama unless you get popular

there's a shitload of circlejerking however

i'm pretty sure the core team is trying to work on the problem
Zelzatter Zero
beatmapsets/1232372/discussion/-/generalAll#/1892477

Map being veto'd and froze for having too much difficulties, causing "content bloat"
Zelzatter Zero
My words? Fuck RC.
Topic Starter
abraker
as far as drama goes, it is pretty tame
but this specific one is starting to get a ball rolling for changes, which is significant

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Jonarwhal

z0z wrote:

axl2468 wrote:

based on what I've heard and what I've seen in various osu forums, I'm getting the feeling that the mapping community/experience is one cancer dumpsterfire (like how tokaku has described it).

is my gut feeling correct, or I'm just assuming based on a few instances of mapping drama?
i'm pretty sure you're not going to be involved in a drama unless you get popular

there's a shitload of circlejerking however

i'm pretty sure the core team is trying to work on the problem
please do not let drama scare you away from trying mapping, pleaseee!
you hear more of the drama even though it's not the norm because drama is entertaining to listen to. It's fun watching people get worked up over a cute circle-clickin' game. What you don't hear are the smaller success stories like "local mappers get their first map ranked!" because that's seen as more boring :<
heck, as an ex-bn I can tell you that circlejerking isn't even that bad (I only ranked like 2 taiko maps in a year of being bn), and if that's the attitude you go into mapping with you're much more likely to give up

Edit: I just realized how awesome my post would look in a cringe compilation. I don't even regret it
z0z

Jonarwhal wrote:

z0z wrote:

axl2468 wrote:

based on what I've heard and what I've seen in various osu forums, I'm getting the feeling that the mapping community/experience is one cancer dumpsterfire (like how tokaku has described it).

is my gut feeling correct, or I'm just assuming based on a few instances of mapping drama?
i'm pretty sure you're not going to be involved in a drama unless you get popular

there's a shitload of circlejerking however

i'm pretty sure the core team is trying to work on the problem
please do not let drama scare you away from trying mapping, pleaseee!
you hear more of the drama even though it's not the norm because drama is entertaining to listen to. It's fun watching people get worked up over a cute circle-clickin' game. What you don't hear are the smaller success stories like "local mappers get their first map ranked!" because that's seen as more boring :<
heck, as an ex-bn I can tell you that circlejerking isn't even that bad (I only ranked like 2 taiko maps in a year of being bn), and if that's the attitude you go into mapping with you're much more likely to give up

Edit: I just realized how awesome my post would look in a cringe compilation. I don't even regret it
i forgot i wrote this post
i map when i feel like mapping, which i don't feel like it mapping pretty the whole time since school started

wait, you're an ex-bn?
Jonarwhal

z0z wrote:

Jonarwhal wrote:

z0z wrote:

axl2468 wrote:

based on what I've heard and what I've seen in various osu forums, I'm getting the feeling that the mapping community/experience is one cancer dumpsterfire (like how tokaku has described it).

is my gut feeling correct, or I'm just assuming based on a few instances of mapping drama?
i'm pretty sure you're not going to be involved in a drama unless you get popular

there's a shitload of circlejerking however

i'm pretty sure the core team is trying to work on the problem
please do not let drama scare you away from trying mapping, pleaseee!
you hear more of the drama even though it's not the norm because drama is entertaining to listen to. It's fun watching people get worked up over a cute circle-clickin' game. What you don't hear are the smaller success stories like "local mappers get their first map ranked!" because that's seen as more boring :<
heck, as an ex-bn I can tell you that circlejerking isn't even that bad (I only ranked like 2 taiko maps in a year of being bn), and if that's the attitude you go into mapping with you're much more likely to give up

Edit: I just realized how awesome my post would look in a cringe compilation. I don't even regret it
i forgot i wrote this post
i map when i feel like mapping, which i don't feel like it mapping pretty the whole time since school started

wait, you're an ex-bn?
yup, in taiko! :3
Lapizote
you know, I've actually wanted to start mapping because there an abundance of songs that I really want to see mapped (especially radiohead and coldplay).

only problem is that I suck at mapping. pishifat also said in a video that not all songs are mappable, especially ones with inconsistent bpms, and that new mappers could try mapping TV-size anime OPs since they're easier to map for beginners, which I do not want to do.
z0z

axl2468 wrote:

you know, I've actually wanted to start mapping because there an abundance of songs that I really want to see mapped (especially radiohead and coldplay).

only problem is that I suck at mapping. pishifat also said in a video that not all songs are mappable, especially ones with inconsistent bpms, and that new mappers could try mapping TV-size anime OPs since they're easier to map for beginners, which I do not want to do.
the tv-size anime openings are only recommended choices but not required

you could try music for or from video games instead

people have managed to map songs with inconsistent rhythms/bpms, you just need a lot of experience to figure those out
Topic Starter
abraker
I think I can make decent stuff, but really suck at it. I have in mind what I want to make but placing the notes where they need to be to make it play like I want is challenging. When continuing something I had started mapping I always need to spend an unnecessary amount of time trying to figure out what rules I made the patterns follow so I can continue it. Lack of color coding notes and editor notes really really sucks

The ranking process destroyed any and all motivation I had because I was hoping that maybe I can rank those maps, but my style is scrutinized. Addition of play counts for unranked maps is pretty cool; allows to see how many people play my maps, but maybe encourages me enough only to fix and polish the maps I already made.

If mapping felt like it was for something maybe I would resume mapping. Mapping a minute takes me roughly 2 hours. Without a reachable goal it is a waste of my time. Maybe if collectable mapping achievements were a thing that would encourage me to map something again. Dunno.
Nuuskamuikkunen

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

beatmapsets/1232372/discussion/-/generalAll#/1892477

Map being veto'd and froze for having too much difficulties, causing "content bloat"
Hitogata laughing in the distance.
ColdTooth
i want easy difficulty the new requirement for songs under 2:30 length, and no more than 3 experts when there is only 1 normal and 1 hard
Jonarwhal

ColdTooth wrote:

i want easy difficulty the new requirement for songs under 2:30 length, and no more than 3 experts when there is only 1 normal and 1 hard
ColdTooth

Jonarwhal wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

i want easy difficulty the new requirement for songs under 2:30 length, and no more than 3 experts when there is only 1 normal and 1 hard

[Allow]
Aiseca

eblf2013 wrote:

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

beatmapsets/1232372/discussion/-/generalAll#/1892477

Map being veto'd and froze for having too much difficulties, causing "content bloat"
Hitogata laughing in the distance.
The veto is appreciated.
z0z

Aiseca wrote:

eblf2013 wrote:

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

beatmapsets/1232372/discussion/-/generalAll#/1892477

Map being veto'd and froze for having too much difficulties, causing "content bloat"
Hitogata laughing in the distance.
The veto is appreciated.
i wouldn't be excited to have 4 of pretty much the same diff, let alone 10
Topic Starter
abraker
Can't you like include those similar diffs in another set?
Dialect
small drama but

beatmapsets/1061947/discussion/-/generalAll#/1431682

modder says notes should be snapped to 1/6, but mapper argues that 1/4 rhythm is fine
Topic Starter
abraker
can be dismissed as 8] and Peter hearing things

nothing too note worthy
qwt
"Old mapper decides to wipe his existence from osu! after being insulted on twitter
community/forums/posts/97555"

Who was this old mapper forum is delete
Topic Starter
abraker
thats social drama not mapping drama
Isshiki Kaname
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Jonarwhal
does people dumping essays on this thread qualify? owo
community/forums/topics/1122383?n=127
McEndu
Map reported as having an obnoxious/meme bg. Mapper and a BN contests that any bg can be used as long as it is rankable
  1. beatmapsets/657533/discussion/-/generalAll#/1916195
  2. beatmapsets/657533/discussion/-/generalAll#/1916276
ongoing
Lapizote

McEndu wrote:

Map reported as having an obnoxious/meme bg. Mapper contests that any bg can be used as long as it is rankable
  1. beatmapsets/657533/discussion/-/generalAll#/1916195
  2. beatmapsets/657533/discussion/-/generalAll#/1916276
ongoing
looks like the mapper gave in and changed it
Topic Starter
abraker
yea added that one
enneya
this is epic
Zelzatter Zero
beatmapsets/1275911/discussion/-/generalAll#/1916200

Map dq'ed because of inappropriate BG. But what makes it special is that there was still an argument over a new BG that GMT officially gave.
Topic Starter
abraker
It's been a while since I've seen a shipwreck as bad as that one. If we were to ignore the bg, that STILL leaves us with at least a couple points of failure. Anyone going in there might want to grab a jumbo size popcorn bag
Dialect
amefuri and io's black rover drama, although they weren't dqed (at least amefuri hasn't yet since it's in qualified atm)
ColdTooth

Li Syaoran wrote:

amefuri and io's black rover drama, although they weren't dqed (at least amefuri hasn't yet since it's in qualified atm)
deadcode's black rover is literally perfectly fine

it's just you have too many people bitching about it not giving pp

"ohhh! it's not od9.4 or ar9.6, there's very little 1-2 jumps!!!!! not rankable!!!"

pathetic weaklings
Dialect

ColdTooth wrote:

deadcode's black rover is literally perfectly fine

it's just you have too many people bitching about it not giving pp

"ohhh! it's not od9.4 or ar9.6, there's very little 1-2 jumps!!!!! not rankable!!!"

pathetic weaklings
imo i get why people complained about black rover (not even that bad, yall just haven't played ar 8) but amefuri is the last thing to complain about considering this can get ranked
qwt
:( please soulfear come back
ColdTooth

Li Syaoran wrote:

ColdTooth wrote:

deadcode's black rover is literally perfectly fine

it's just you have too many people bitching about it not giving pp

"ohhh! it's not od9.4 or ar9.6, there's very little 1-2 jumps!!!!! not rankable!!!"

pathetic weaklings
imo i get why people complained about black rover (not even that bad, yall just haven't played ar 8) but amefuri is the last thing to complain about considering this can get ranked
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Dialect
apparently 2 mode 4 diff e/e set is unrankable

beatmapsets/1154158/discussion/-/generalAll#/2006279
Topic Starter
abraker
Geez, that's awfully terrible execution. The disruptive way of handling this is shocking. Given it follows RC, you either catch it before it becomes qualified or you make it a topic discussion in RC proposal after it's ranked. Why do it during the most sensitive time period?
Penguin
does twitter drama stuff count?
Topic Starter
abraker
If it affects ranking criteria, sets precedent, a potential turning point in ranked, etc, I might include it.
Zelzatter Zero
and then I thought ranking process has reached all time low

amefuri set has proved me otherwise
Lapizote

Li Syaoran wrote:

apparently 2 mode 4 diff e/e set is unrankable

beatmapsets/1154158/discussion/-/generalAll#/2006279
this drama is just absurd.
Topic Starter
abraker
The ranked system is set up in a way that mappers and BN have an optimization problem to solve. Mappers work toward getting their maps ranked as fast as possible, while BN look for ways to guarantee successful nominations with ease. So it's in mapper's best interest to make maps that are easy to nominate. Mappers who try ranking more complex maps do so at the expense of encountering more hurdles when ranking maps.

Additionally,

Ranked system favors mappers who don't take pride in their own work. It favors mappers who make maps who suit BN tastes instead of their own. It favors mappers who agree with any change a modder asks them to make. It favors mappers who don't care how many times their map may be disqualified.

The system treats the maps the mapper makes as a factory produced product.
GPR
I don't understand the reason of the dq'ed.

What's the problem?
Lapizote
some people are angery because a map with two easy difficulties got noticed by 4 BNs.
GPR
And it's valid reason to dq'ed beatmap(?)

I'm confused.
Zelzatter Zero

Zelzatter Zero wrote:

and then I thought ranking process has reached all time low

amefuri set has proved me otherwise
my point still stands
WitherMite
the only reason 4 bn's even had to look at it is the new hybrid set rules, of course the first hybrid set qualified would be something simple to check.

dude just wanted to map a short chill song, then everyone gets butthurt that bn's dont want to look at their maps.
Dialect

abraker wrote:

The ranked system is set up in a way that mappers and BN have an optimization problem to solve. Mappers work toward getting their maps ranked as fast as possible, while BN look for ways to guarantee successful nominations with ease. So it's in mapper's best interest to make maps that are easy to nominate. Mappers who try ranking more complex maps do so at the expense of encountering more hurdles when ranking maps.

Additionally,

Ranked system favors mappers who don't take pride in their own work. It favors mappers who make maps who suit BN tastes instead of their own. It favors mappers who agree with any change a modder asks them to make. It favors mappers who don't care how many times their map may be disqualified.

The system treats the maps the mapper makes as a factory produced product.
since i finally got something ranked, i think i can actually speak on this.

it took me 2 weeks to find 2 bns for groovy. now, it took way longer for it to reach qualified, because of timing issues, but that's besides the point. both bns were super helpful, and they took up the mapset in no time. groovy is probably one of the most unconventional maps out there for a 4*, with tons of 1/4th slider sv changes at 123 bpm. the only problem that was faced was that the song was super old, so we had to fix timing. other than that, it was set for ranked. in context, the bns have completely different styles from mine. maridius maps a variety of different styles, while een mainly maps conventionally. compare that to me, with an unconventional mapping style similar to that of yudragen or grissaryth.

the bn system is actually fine the way it is, now looking at it. the system isn't just a bunch of factory produced maps. some creative maps do make it into ranked.

the reason why some people complain about it tho, is because they need to try hard enough. i get that, yes, ranking is super hard, but i personally believe that people should try hard enough. improve your map more.

have you, abraker, went for ranked yet?
Nuuskamuikkunen
For shits like these I give up on even learning to map.
Topic Starter
abraker
@MinNin I am not saying that's what ranked is, but I am saying that's what ranked naturally leans toward to. Not all mappers do uncreative maps and not all bn promote such maps, but it would be the easier thing to do. There is a reason why ranked section feels generic or follows a common meta.

edit: exhibit A

I have a few maps that can go for ranked
beatmapsets/1292640#mania - Prob the best shot I have at ranking a map, but let's be real, this type of map is exactly what my rant is talking about

beatmapsets/827849 - For this one I need to bite the bullet and split the extra difficulties into another mapset.

beatmapsets/693366 - Modders are not happy with the dump-like patterns I put in certain sections in Insane. I am not changing those.

beatmapsets/985644#mania/2062085 - idk what BN would want to nominate this. Also need to hitsound which is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz can someone just do it for me?

beatmapsets/827844 - Difficulties are prob too similiar. That's not changing.

beatmapsets/827844 - My very first map. Too scared to try. Already remapped once. I know Etarnal Raver diff's beginning part needs LN fixed somehow, not sure how.

beatmapsets/332867 - Uhhhh Density diff needs cleanup. Also I made a section in that diff that is finger independence torture. I am not changing that as that's the point. Need a shitton of feedback from players that can actually play it.
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