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[added] Mirror mod in osu!mania

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This is a feature request. Feature requests can be voted up by supporters.
Current Priority: +457
chaotic_iak
287 posts
Joined February 2012
Topic Starter
chaotic_iak
Pretty obvious. This flips the columns so left becomes right and vice versa.

Pro:
- Mostly in 5/7K. Left-handed players (those that usually press middle column by left hand) can play maps designed for right-handed players (those where left 2/3 columns are for something and right 3/4 columns are for another thing). Flipping it makes the left 3/4 columns be for something, which suits the division of hands (left controlling more).
- Similar to above; difficult patterns by the worse hand (occur a lot in translated diffs from osu!std) can be moved to the better hand.

Con:
- Pro point 2. Might make diff easier.

I prefer 1.00x benefit if implemented though.

Any further idea?

P.S. I also tried searching but none came up besides one I've already commented in, which actually talks about several mods (including Add Notes and Mines besides Mirror) and is now invalidated. I try to bring this particular idea out with my argument. I think I'm not good at finding correct keywords to use :P If anyone finds an earlier thread of this idea, feel free to mark this as duplicate.
MillhioreF
Pro Tester
5,004 posts
Joined July 2011
MillhioreF
It's a valid request, but... does it really even matter on the majority of maps? Autoconverts sound like they wouldn't be affected by this whatsoever, and mania-specific maps are still a rarity.
woc2006
409 posts
Joined September 2011
woc2006
We already have a random mod on the way.
chaotic_iak
287 posts
Joined February 2012
Topic Starter
chaotic_iak
Well, I sometimes see autoconverts with a rain on only one hand. The worse hand specifically, so mirror can help to move it to the right.
...which can also be used as an argument against Mirror mod. Whatever. The main point is making some specific-handed maps more playable by opposite-handed players.

Also, wasn't there some argument about Random mod probably being particularly nice in some play (due to lucky random number(s) generated)? Although I want to know more about it before I comment.
VoidnOwO
1,256 posts
Joined August 2012
VoidnOwO
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andromeda2020
59 posts
Joined December 2012
andromeda2020
I hope the random mod will be implemented soon!
Yeah mirror mod sounds good also.
Oinari-sama
osu! Alumni
3,403 posts
Joined July 2010
Oinari-sama
Post in this topic if you want to have Left/Right mirror for mania.

A similar topic was nuked recently due to misbehaviour and let remind everybody: you are posting in the Feature Request forum to have things happen. Please focus on how to make a feature work well in osu! and leave the feasibility study to devs/support team.

Do us a favour, don't post unless you have something constructive to add.
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
As I said in the nuked thread I would like to see it implemented, and I wouldn't mind if it were to be ranked mostly because a lot of the current maps (both ranked and unranked) are designed for right-handed players, mostly heavy patterns/bursts, jacks, the use of the middle key fitting in well for right-handed patterns and awkward the other way around, making it somewhat unfair for left-handed players.

That and although we can already do it ourselves it's pretty time consuming so having this as a mod would be pretty handy, just like what we have with RD right now.
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Bara-
11,976 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
As I also said in the nuked thread
Perhaps this'll work better if it's used as a mode in options (similar to the DD-style type of options)
I think it'll work well there (not as a mod, it'll be too cluttered)
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
It could be one of these "reverse/flip" icons on the RD mod similar to how HD and FI work atm, this way it won't take any more space on the mod select screen.
Score_Under
103 posts
Joined June 2009
Score_Under
This could work in all game modes (to a varying extent)
Wind_14
80 posts
Joined February 2015
Wind_14

PyaKura wrote:

It could be one of these "reverse/flip" icons on the RD mod similar to how HD and FI work atm, this way it won't take any more space on the mod select screen.
then, perhaps the mods will be unranked....
Evening
2,464 posts
Joined December 2012
Evening

Wind_14 wrote:

PyaKura wrote:

It could be one of these "reverse/flip" icons on the RD mod similar to how HD and FI work atm, this way it won't take any more space on the mod select screen.
then, perhaps the mods will be unranked....
idk how is that related to pya's statement but please make mirror mod happen, it's kinda restricting mapping ranked maps to a certain extent due to it not favoring thumb biased mapping ( or whatever finger you use for the middle key )

>inb4 how about stop mapping thumb biased ya prick
-Maus-
571 posts
Joined August 2013
-Maus-
^But what will mirror change if the thumb key will remain the same? :F
Evening
2,464 posts
Joined December 2012
Evening

Transformau5 wrote:

^But what will mirror change if the thumb key will remain the same? :F
Funny
PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura

Transformau5 wrote:

^But what will mirror change if the thumb key will remain the same? :F
imagine a heavy pattern focused on 4 columns (including the middle one) on either side of the playfield (let's say right side), the strain will be higher on that side of the field, meaning that sometimes right-handed players (or players using their right thumb) will have an harder time hitting the keys (since more columns on one hand), however left handed players will only need to use 3 columns on one hand because the thumb will be used by their other hand so it could mean less strain. This example is totally arbitrary as it could be the other way around (and it depends on the pattern and such) but you get the point. The purpose of the mirror mod would be to swap that strain to the other side to make the patterns easier to play.
-Maus-
571 posts
Joined August 2013
-Maus-
Even though I find playing with the right thumb weird, I get it
Evening
2,464 posts
Joined December 2012
Evening
Soo is this happening?
Do the devs need more rigid/solid or a more convincing reason to have mirror mod? I'm curious on the progress ( if any ) on this
XeoStyle
390 posts
Joined October 2013
XeoStyle
Hello guys !

I'm a mania player and like 10% of peoples on earth, i'm lefty.
1 month ago or something like this, I was talking a little bit with Fullerene- about the 4k difficulty of this map.
As you can see at 03:34:866, there is a big trill design for right player who fucking kill my accu because i'm not an "ET player".
Fullerene- and I tried to modify all the map with "CTRL + H" (Fully reversed map) and play it : As you would expect, I do a better accu and conversely, he did a poorer accu (yup, the map is modified so I didn't get my precious PP >:( )

My question is why there is still no mirror mod (who don't unrank scores btw) for peoples like me ? They are a lot of maps with advantages for right handed peoples (I can give you examples if you really want). I mean, it's not like random who can give you better patterns, the chart is just flipped.

Common guys, support-us in order to make better o!m mod for everyone !
Redon
302 posts
Joined November 2013
Redon
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Bara-
11,976 posts
Joined April 2013
Bara-
A reasonable reason for me
Why not?
Still, I think it's better as an option (like vertical flip) but it can also be covered under random
XeoStyle
390 posts
Joined October 2013
XeoStyle

Baraatje123 wrote:

A reasonable reason for me
Why not?
Still, I think it's better as an option (like vertical flip) but it can also be covered under random
You are 100% right, That'll be more discreet and people are not gonna complain about "useless new mod" .
Rilene
2,105 posts
Joined April 2014
Rilene
If random mod exists.
Why not this?

Rejecting this is like not using √4, but using only 2.
JSELENABELIEBER
22 posts
Joined October 2013
JSELENABELIEBER
ON TOP OF EVERYTHING THAT HAS BEEN SAID IT'S ALSO THE ULTIMATE ANTI-MINDBLOCK SOLUTION

100% SUPPORT HAVE MY STARS

please for the love of god make this happen

just to add to this - one way of already doing this is to flip your monitor 180 degrees and play ddr style with mirrored key bindings. I don't see why we can't have a mod that does all that for us and saving us the trouble of navigating with your screen upside down.
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PyaKura
2,084 posts
Joined January 2013
PyaKura
^ Unrelated but use the Edit feature next time.

On a side note, still supporting this. However I'm still unsure whether it should be ranked or not.
XeoStyle
390 posts
Joined October 2013
XeoStyle
That's a lot of stars, thanks for the support Cparn !
Rilene
2,105 posts
Joined April 2014
Rilene

PyaKura wrote:

On a side note, still supporting this. However I'm still unsure whether it should be ranked or not.
It could be potentially be a ranked mod, since all it does is switch the sides of the note, like HR in standard.

But the reason for Random to be unranked since it sometimes make map easier or harder, making the difficulty unstable.
arviejhay
1,414 posts
Joined August 2009
arviejhay
Is this like mirror ring in o2jam?
OppaiDefender
9 posts
Joined January 2015
OppaiDefender
I'll support this. Also, it should be ranked mod if it is used, as the patterns are still the exact same.

I think this mod would be better than random in certain cases, such as if you want to practice a certain pattern in both directions. A simple example of this would be playing a map with lots of L to R stairs, then using the mirror mod to then practice stairs going R to L.
vanillasky
16 posts
Joined November 2013
vanillasky
as a left hander, i know that feel when you can't keep up with the right streams

SUPPORTING THIS (i don't have any stars, i wonder how to get some?)
LastExceed
Master of the Fade
394 posts
Joined March 2015
LastExceed

MillhioreF wrote:

It's a valid request, but... does it really even matter on the majority of maps?
choose a random 4k map (no converts!), enable NF and only play one hand. You will realize that a significant amount of maps have up to 60% of the notes on the right side and only 40% on the left, which is a huge disadvantage as a lefty.
here is an exaggerated example: https://osu.ppy.sh/ss/5189457


Score_Under wrote:

This could work in all game modes (to a varying extent)
Taiko: you mean scrolling to the right? Well since that preference doesn't depend on whether you're left- or right-handed I don't think that makes much sense
Ctb: the movement is controlled with a single hand and a lefty can switch the key-bindings to have the left hand on move and right hand on sprint already, so I don't see the necessarity for that
osu!: similar to ctb, lefties can switch to controlling the cursor with the left hand at any time.

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The only flaw I see (which is another reason why I don't think this should roll out to other game modes) is that a mirror mod could be used to get around mind blocks. But on the other hand I am not even sure if that's a bad thing, since mind blocks come up completely random and have nothing to do with skill...


If this becomes a thing I can finally stop playing in the reflection of the window next to my desk lol

take all my stars :P
MaxEye
1 post
Joined August 2018
MaxEye
this man is the oracle
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