good idea, intro + chorus is basically how for example almost all anime openings are structured so why shouldn't other songs be as well? if the cut is well made then it's fine for me
clayton wrote:
isn't this fine as a guideline? follow it most of the time, break it for good exceptions. the 1:30 limit is completely arbitrary but I think it's okay cuz generally nobody likes playing cuts shorter than the typical tv size
"good exceptions" would be like Nevo's examples in this thread
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that being said, if you wanted to convert this guideline into a rule, I think Nevo's suggestions would work well for it.
clayton wrote:
guidelines don't change what's allowed if you have a good reason to ignore them. having a good quality cut is a good reason to ignore this one
clayton wrote:
it sounds like you might be in favor of rewording it into a rule then? I'm not against that but it seems needlessly high-effort if what we have now is working fine
clayton wrote:
...yeah, the guideline's not supposed to say anything about quality, it's just the length thing. it's up to BNs to tell if a cut shorter than 1:30 is worth putting in ranked
so I'm confused why we're even talking about changing this, has there been some issue with the current guideline? are there any maps that never made it to ranked with their cut despite being widely accepted as okay? all of the OP examples could've just been cut anyway and they would've been allowed for the provided reasons
RC wrote:
Cuts should maintain the general impression and intensity of the full song. Cuts that make significant changes to the overall listening experience of the song are very misleading and often cause unsatisfying play experiences. This does not apply to official cuts or recreations of official cuts.
Nikakis wrote:
My final proposals:
1) remove this ''Cuts should not be shorter than 1:30. These often cause unsatisfying play experiences and are generally seen as disrespectful to the artists. This does not apply to official cuts or recreations of official cuts.''
and keep this ''Cuts should maintain the general impression and intensity of the full song. Cuts that make significant changes to the overall listening experience of the song are very misleading and often cause unsatisfying play experiences. This does not apply to official cuts or recreations of official cuts.''
2) We can reword the 1:30 thing in a way that people dont read it with the impression that the 1:30 length is objectively the ideal and acceptable one only, thats the feeling that im getting at least from the current guideline. Most mappers nowdays think that anything shorter than 1:30 isnt acceptable.
RC proposal wrote:
Cuts should maintain the general impression and intensity of the full song, as well as the integrity and order of its core sections. Cuts that make significant changes to the overall listening experience of the song are very misleading and often cause unsatisfying play experiences. This does not apply to official cuts or recreations of official cuts.