Sanyi wrote:

From my modding queue

Kudosu only when helpful!

General

1. Don't know why you changed the preview point, but I think the old one was better since it was actually part of the map, the new one is part of the preview which is confusing when you skip the preview since then you don't hear that section at all (I also like the old one more but that's not important here). The start of the song is really amazing imo, i wanted people to at least hear it since most would skip the intro.
2. 05:25:697 (1) - Is it really necessary to toggle kiai time just for this single note? It has no real impact so it can be deleted imo. i think it's impact is strong enough. it's the first real strong note in the whole song. it also pays homage to lan wings' preview point.
3. When you place a timing point and an inherited point at the same time you are only allowed to change the SV with the inherited point but nothing else. Therefore please adjust the following timing points so that the inherited points are rankable: 04:04:310 - , 04:30:840 - , 05:25:697 - , 07:33:705 - , 07:43:116 - , 07:52:535 - , 07:58:805 - and 08:37:249 - . as far as i know, the new RC disregards this rule as green always takes precedent, but "fixed"
   anyways.

I don't know much about hitsounds, so it may be that the following 2 suggestions are nonsense, please keep that in mind!

1. My modding assistant states that there are unused hitsound files. Sometimes the assistant is wrong though, maybe you check that yourself before deleting anything. The mentioned hitsounds are: normal-slidertick3.wav, normal-sliderwhistle5.wav, soft-sliderwhistle2.wav, soft-sliderwhistle3.wav and soft-sliderwhistle4.wav.removed
2. drum-hitclap3.wav and drum-hitfinish4.wav have a delay over 5ms which is unrankable (unless there is a special purpose for it). Please change them. removed these hitsounds

Every season is great!

1. 01:11:896 (4,1) - No real issue here, but for me it would feel better rhythm-wise to make here a change of movement direction like you did beforehand. Same goes for upcoming similar parts. i think it flows better as it is
2. 01:57:330 (1,2) - As it is right now you need to accelerate to catch 01:58:560 (2) - even though it is completely silent. I would make the flow of the slider and the single note in a way where the single note is perfectly in the flow the slider produces so that the silent note is better emphasized (= not overemphasized). I would just reduce the distance a bit. done
3. 02:15:799 (1) - Putting this to the right site instead of the left matches the flow of the rest of the section better. much of the previous patterns have been on the right side. it was getting too cramped.
4. 02:48:410 (4,1,2) - It would make sense to me if 02:50:210 (4,1,2) - had more spacing than 02:48:410 (4,1,2) - because of the build-up in the music but not the other way round. done
5. 03:04:914 (1,2,3,4) - I think it is a bit early to introduce consecutive back and forth notes here (I think it is more stylistic to save that for the section that starts at 03:06:714 - ). I would change it to something less movement-change based like the rest of the pattern you mapped in this section. ok
6. 03:06:414 (6,1) - Making here a hyperdash is fitting imo since it would introduce the new section better - you already did that beforehand to introduce new sections. It would also fit rhythm-wise since you made 03:20:816 (3,1) - a hyperdash as well. nevermind I am blind like a mole :)
7. 03:26:816 (2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This is quite hard compared to the rest of the section, especially 03:28:316 (1,2,3,4,5,6) - . I would nerf it a bit to match the difficulty of the the rest of the section better. around the middle of each season i wanted a slight difficulty boost, i think this is fine
8. 04:13:625 (3,1) - I would buff the distance a bit to emphasize 04:13:783 (1) - better. slightly buffed
9. 04:42:840 (1,2) - It makes rhythm-wise no sense to introduce 1/2 sliders here, making it similar to 04:41:125 (1,2,3,4) - is rhythm-wise correct imo. i think it makes sense, i explained my reasoning in a previous mod reply
10. 04:55:482 (2) - The piano is pretty remarkable here so I wouldn't make it one slider but instead following the piano here. feels gross switching the instrument im mainly following just for this little pattern
11. 05:18:572 (4,1) - This should be atleast a proper dash if not a hyper rhythm-wise. made it more of a dash
12. 05:26:297 (3,4) - I don't see a reason why this should be a hyper, I would make it a normal dash instead. done
13. 07:06:303 (9,1) - This antiflow doesn't match the flow of the other patterns at all, I would put 07:06:503 (1) - to the right instead (the direction of the slider is unimportant then imo). i think the drums call for something more unique than following the already flow-y pattern.
14. 07:57:041 (4,5,1) - I would reduce the distance here a little bit to nerf this a bit - it is pretty hard to catch imo which makes no sense right before the intense part of Winter. reduced!
15. 08:45:718 (1,1) - Is it really necessary to make here two spinners instead of one? I didn't even realize the gap when I testplayed the map. this was to manipulate the spinner fruits to go a specific way, and since the second spinner starts on a different note, i think it's justified
16. 08:48:185 (1,1) - According to RC you need to have atleast 1/2 distance between the end of a spinner and the next object. I think 1/2 is a bit too big here but 1/4 would be better imo than 1/8 as it is right now (I think you should talk with a BN/QAT if an exception of the rule is ok here because the bpm is so low). will get help from qat/bn on the matter

Hopefully my mod was atleast a bit helpful, it is not easy to mod a 9 min song ^^ very helpful, thanks for the mod!

Please try to rank it! It is an unique map which would be an enrichment for the ranked section! The bns are already aware of this map and want to see it ranked one day too so don't miss out on that opportunity

Good Luck!

P.S.: Forget about the mod for Ofuzake Mode. I am not planning to rank this anytime soon (and I don't know if i will ever try it), so use your time for something else

Professor Gila wrote:

(and the hitsounds also taken from Lan wings' map)

alienflybot wrote:

Hello!

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[ General]

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  Tags

1. Add: 'Shiki' , '-Haru-'. They are the japanese romaji of '四季-春-'. done
2. Add: '東方花映塚'. The full name of the game is '東方花映塚 ～ Phantasmagoria of Flower View' which include the kanji part. done
3. You may also add the tags of the game developer such as '上海アリス幻樂団' and 'Team Shanghai Alice'. done

[ Last Judgement]

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  Gameplay

1. 02:38:210 (2,3,4,5,6) - Curve it more? There is no movements in gameplay. done
2. 02:40:910 (5,6,7,8,1) - ^ done
3. 03:28:016 (8,1,2) - Transition at 03:28:316 (1,2) - is a bit strange because of the anti-flow jump there. How about something like this: *Screenshot done
4. 04:25:152 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5) - Same as 02:38:210 (2,3,4,5,6) - . done
5. 04:44:554 - 04:49:697 - The whole part here can be fully caught without dashing. Consider increasing distances for dashing. done
6. 04:55:482 (2) - Change this to the timeline pattern like 04:52:054 (2,3) - so the beat at 04:55:697 - can be mapped. ok done
7. 06:37:301 (6,7) - Reduce the distance here slightly to allow easier recovery after the hyperdash at 06:37:101 (5,6) - . done
8. 07:01:903 (2) - How about flipping this horizontally and place at the original position - x:319? The flow seems a bit smoother. done
9. 07:06:103 (8,9,1) - Transition of (9,1) is quite surprising and unexpected. Maybe you can change the placements of (8,9) to this: *Screenshotdone

I am not a storyboarding expert so I cannot say anything about that, maybe you can find someone good at that to mod / check. For the gameplay part it is well done. will do

alienflybot wrote:

Hello! Winter hype!

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[ Last Judgment]

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  Gameplay

1. 00:43:791 (1,2) - Guess you may want to add a dash here, just to keep consistent with 00:39:685 (5,1) - which the hitsound is emphasized by a dash.
2. 00:48:212 (3,4) - Same here, maybe add a dash? Since adding a dash here would make 00:48:843 (4,5) - a dash too, maybe the following solution helps: *Screenshot
3. 00:55:159 (1,2) - Add a dash here? You can achieve by moving 00:55:475 (2,3,4,5,6) - altogether to the right.
4. 01:05:896 (4,5) - Aren't these notes not fitting the song? How about this: I think it should follow the sound at 01:05:975 - which is 1/8 tick after (4). Maybe you can remove (5) as well and change the pattern here a little bit.
5. 01:57:330 (1) - Curve this more, I think the movement can be increased slightly for this slider as it is longer than the previous ones.
6. 02:28:347 (4,1) - Add a dash here? Since 02:27:741 (2,3,4,1) - is becoming progressively stronger in the music right there. In addition, 02:28:666 (1,2) - can also be emphasized by a dash like what you have done at 02:30:534 (1,2) - . So one solution is to move 02:28:666 (1) - to the left.
7. 03:07:614 (4,5) - Strange to have a dash here. I think it can be removed so the beat at 03:08:514 (1) - is emphasized more by the dash. Also, 03:08:514 (1,2) - is good for a dash spot. Hence one way to change is to move 03:08:214 (5,1) - altogether to the left slightly.
8. 04:09:994 (1) - Curve more?
9. 06:43:702 (6,7) - Reduce the distance here? I find myself keep missing this because of the overshooting. You can move 06:43:902 (7,8,1,2,3,4) - altogether to the right slightly to fix it.
10. 08:34:490 (1,2,3) - Strange. I find 08:34:490 - 08:35:134 - similar to 08:33:159 - 08:33:790 - so both parts should be mapped with the same timeline. As it is impossible to put a 1/1 reversed slider here to cross with multiple offset lines, how about replacing 08:34:490 (1,2) - with circles and add dashes between each other?

Call me back after the fix!

all applied! thanks for the mod, these are really nice changes

Californian wrote:

Hi, I probably should have noticed/spoken up sooner but as of recent maps, I don't think "東方Project" is a valid source anymore. Instead, the recent maps seem to favor more of the game's direct source titles instead of just touhou.

So the correct source of this map should be "東方花映塚　～ Phantasmagoria of Flower View."
source

best of luck ranking the map!

Absolute Zero wrote:

Just a reminder to address the mod above for source; I would agree that would be preferable. yya

[Last Judgement]
00:41:580 (5) - Don't think this should be a 1/4 slider as I don't really hear anything that justifies the end of the slider. This comment applies to other sections like 00:45:370 (4) and 00:52:949 (5). the slider was to hold out the sound that its mapped over
00:46:317 (2,3,4,5,6) - This feels weirdly underspaced compared to something like 00:38:738 (2,3,4,5). the reason it's different is because it still provides a different movement for each note while being a different pattern than the one you mentioned. will space them out though instead of changing completely
00:48:212 (3) - Stronger sound is on the end of this slider right here. Make these two hitcircles with a dash in between instead. You run into a similar problem as places like 00:48:212 (3) and 00:54:843 (5). definitely trying to avoid too many dashes at the start so all applied except for that part
01:22:633 (3,4,5,6,7,8) - Feels like this stream is a bit overmapped tbh--if you could give justification for these 1/4 streams that would be nice. overmapped ur right, changed
01:31:791 (2,3,4,5) - Personally I don’t really like this pattern here—It’s kinda bland and standstill. i like the pattern but i spaced it out to make it less standstill
01:33:054 (1,2) - Would accompany the pitch increase with a stronger dash. done
01:36:528 (4,1) - This is completely walkable but still is a pitch increase. I would increase distancing. done
01:49:889 (1,2,3,1,2) - These sliders are pretty constricted to the center. I would consider making the pattern more mobile. was aiming for some slight symmetry here, it's my _ _ _ _ _!
02:00:439 (3) - I think this slider works better as a 1/2 slider. i feel like im missing too much of the sound that way
02:15:486 (2,1) - Increase distancing a little more to accent the huge pitch change. I would move (2) leftwards. big agree
02:24:059 (2,3) - I would making this (3,4) larger than (2,3), even making (2,3) almost stagnant. This is because the melody doesn’t change pitch until (3,4). done
03:28:766 (3,4,5,6) - I think this pattern is excessive for the soft sounds it’s hitting. lowered spacing but i think its fine
04:34:910 (4,5) - The bell sound is quite strong; I would consider making this a stronger dash to reflect that. did that
04:44:125 (4,1) - Consider increasing this to a hyper because of the new phrase and a strong bell and higher pitch in the melody. done done
04:58:268 (1,2,3,1,2,3,4) - The same music is treated differently between these two patterns. ya fix
05:13:697 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10) - what the fuck was the accordionist drunk here (working snapping out) owob wasnt sure what consensus you came to so its still the same
05:15:411 (1) - Covering a note with a slider at 05:15:518. Make this three hitcircles instead. ya
05:51:298 (1,2) - I always miss this pattern for some reason—I’m used to it being a 1/4 hypers like at 05:50:698 (5,6). Maybe it’s just me. i feel like it plays fine :,
07:19:704 (5,6,7,8) - Personally, I’m not a huge fan of this pattern as it kinda sticks out a little too much compared to the flow you have before. You can keep it if you want, but I would suggest changing it. at long last i have changed this pattern
08:34:490 (1,2,3,4) - What are these notes following?

alienflybot wrote:

08:34:490 (1,2,3) - Strange. I find 08:34:490 - 08:35:134 - similar to 08:33:159 - 08:33:790 - so both parts should be mapped with the same timeline. As it is impossible to put a 1/1 reversed slider here to cross with multiple offset lines, how about replacing 08:34:490 (1,2) - with circles and add dashes between each other?

^ explanation, was two sliders before to cover the sound (1) starts on
08:36:974 (2,3) - Would make this a hyper to accent the drum. really wanna keep my vision of no hypers at the end :'(

FoxyGrandpa wrote:

recheck!

00:07:879 - u should really map here cuz it sounds nice never
06:16:900 - could u lower the bpom here its a little fast thx not done


okay call me back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Storyboarder wrote:

sb finished! thanks for waiting

FoxyGrandpa wrote:

alright looks good!


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Absolute 0 wrote:

hey its me ABSOLUTE ZERO here's your bubble fii:

Absolute Zero wrote:

just coming back for this quick stuff
00:55:475 (2,3,4,5) - Saw this as well--same overmap argument as mentioned before--I only hear sounds every 1/2.
08:37:249 - Two conflicting timing points here in terms of sample set. Change the uninherited to S:C5.

Ascendance wrote:

hi

08:34:490 (1,2,3,4) - please fix this as we discussed, should definitely be 1/1 and is not unrankable at all, dunno why afb said that
hp -> 6

6* marathon and it's hp5, too forgiving for sure

hopefully the twitter meme dies, gl

Absolute Zero wrote:

Had a very long discussion with Nokashi, celerih, Hareimu, and Fii about this a while ago and decided that it's best that we approximate in evenly for playing and to an extent (as much as I hate to use this word) aesthetics. The relatively exact snapping actually plays on 1/12 and 1/16 ticks, and looks visibly uneven in play. I'm not going to post the screenshot as it is a sore sight.

Kisses wrote:

@AZ Yes I can see that but having 05:13:697 (1) and 05:15:411 (1) play as constant 1/4s and 05:14:554 (1) as constant 1/6 does feel like a sin, given the fact there is almost no contrast between the 3 sections. This is why I stated it come across as very artificial.


edit: @wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww what are the different instruments you're mapping?

Kisses wrote:

edit: @wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww what are the different instruments you're mapping?

Ascendance wrote:

there was no 1/16 and only 1 1/12 in the snapping I discussed with others.

Ascendance wrote:

find something that works better then instead of implying i'm not doing a good enough job fixing your map

-wwwww wrote:

Kisses wrote:

edit: @wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww what are the different instruments you're mapping?

accordion and then the percussion

Kisses wrote:

The percussion does include some 1/6 snaps but it's definitely not a continuous, maybe overmapping would be what some people would go for but it does clash with a problem that I'll state below.

You've mapped the accordion > percussion > accordion all in the space of a few seconds. Switching layers this frequently sounds incredibly off putting and focusing on one instrument is much preferred over mapping different instruments as you please. It does come off as awkward to switch to percussion from the accordion after when the accordion is still very much audible to the player and you've shown so much focus to it at the start

alienflybot wrote:

Recheck!

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[ General]

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  Tags

1. Remove 'phantasmagoria flower view' as these words are included in the Source.

[ Last Judgement]

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  Gameplay

1. 02:15:174 (1,2,1) - Movement here seems to be lacking a bit, so the emphasis at this point is not so well. Maybe you can try this: Ctrl+H 02:13:955 (1,2,1) - altogether and move this to x:428. In that way, the mentioned part will become back and forth movements which can emphasize the beat at 02:15:799 (1) - pretty well by the dash.
2. 02:17:631 (1,2) - Why not a dash? Feels a bit inconsistent since most of these long slider patterns have dashes between each other (for emphasizing Whistles), such as 02:12:128 (1,2) - .
3. 02:25:591 (2) - Maybe change this to 1/2 patterns? The beat at the red tick, i.e. 02:25:900 - is not mapped.
4. 07:08:103 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2) - Maybe just keep them being NC'ed every 2 complete white tick snaps? Only this part has denser amount of NC while the later-on parts are less dense (with at least 6-8 combo each).
5. 07:53:710 (7) - How about inclining this more to the vertical? I think this is less intense than the parts at 07:52:535 (1) - and 07:54:102 (1) - .
6. 07:58:997 (3,4) - I find the distance here a bit large, mind shortening it by moving (4) to x:444 or a few pixel larger? In this case the distance is likely similar to the inner distance of a 1/4 slider.

Poke me after.

-wwwww wrote:

Yes